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uh just a correction I did not get my
PhD from Imam University I got my
bachelor and my master degree in the
Imam University in Saudi Arabia uh but
to my uh doctor I got it my PhD I had it
from graduate theological Foundation
Indiana um just for the record as a
correction Danish and thank you for
having me in uh this platform actually
it should be our platform since I'm the
vice president of Al and I would like to
say uh thank you all for coming and uh
sharing with us this wonderful two days
which is inshallah will be full of
beneficial knowledge for all of us uh
that's one of the most important
important goal that we seek in Institute
that we expose ourself and our community
to the knowledge and to make sure that
what motivate us what the uh what
control basically our mind is education
education is the best way for any
Community to Prevail or to be strong
that's why we care a lot about or that's
actually our main focus as an
organization educational organization to
spread the knowledge and
the between our brothers and
sisters it is a picture very hard to
forget it's that
image that you might sell it as
well and
TV when you see that young man full of
life
energy and even you can tell from the
way he dress the way he look the way he
talks that he's a religious
person
motivated committed willing to do
anything you can imagine for his
religion or for what he think is correct
and
true some of them may be wearing that
black
turban and next to him
collection Co with a or a machine gun
and some even strip them themselves with
bombs and declaring his was his wealth
his last words in this
dun then in a few seconds this image
goes away then another image come in the
TV
screens of somebody who blow himself up
and his his body is all over the
asphalts of the street or in the bus or
in that
building that he decide to
attack with
him maybe nobody he's the only one dead
on that image and sometimes other few
people's children's women Elders people
in the streets happen to be in the
subway that day happen to be in his
office in that day or sometimes even
soldiers and government
officials then you see after that
image the family members and the respond
of the media and the community how they
react to such
incident
it is an image that I
cannot put my head on the sand and I
claim that I never
saw it is an image that no one can claim
that it's never
exist those people who dressed that way
to imitate some
leaders the sad part of those young men
and sometimes woman they will
die while their leaders watching them
they threw them in this in the middle of
this war to BL to blow themselves up and
to kill themselves and others while they
are
watching it is sad when you see the
mother and the
parents been crying over the death of
their sons or been humiliated and
sometimes arrested and all the friends
and the family members and the
consequences of this actions and Allah
only knows how far these actions can
reach the consequences of this action
can
reach sometimes you don't see him even
dead that person you see that person's
surrounded with a TENS of soldiers and
FBI agents or other agencies in other
places in the world captured him before
he did anything and what happened to him
he just basically ended his life by
spending the rest of his life Behind
Bars and so many times it will be even
executed and
killed you
know whatever happened to family members
the reaction the backlash that the
community will suffer from such action
it's a terrible things but really for
me the real issue
that this young man died while he or she
think that they are doing something good
they lost the only chance that they have
in their life when they participated in
that war or in that uh suicide mission
and that's remind me of
what said to a young group of Muslims in
his town came to him
and offered him the opportunity to
participate in a war against unjust
ruler a killer a murder a dictator his
name is ha
Yi they rebel against him under the
leadership of of and they came to said
join us this is
J what is better than you sacrify your
soul for the sake of Allah
Allah have purchased the souls and the
money of the Believers that they give it
up for the sake of Allah so Allah gave
them Jenna what do you want more than
that that's the language that they
used but the reaction of that wise
scholar wise
worshipper was like
this he said what you are in
is a matter of
confusion it's not clear that you are
upon the
truth and I don't believe that this is
correct what you're
doing and I have only one soul I have
one life I have only one chance if I die
I will never be resent back to this
worldly life to correct what I have done
wrong so I would rather in the day of
judgment not to be asked why you killed
somebody than to be asked why you have
not
participated those young men who lost
their Chance by going in a such
path will never be justified their
actions if their intention is good or
they trying to do what is
correct because Allah subhah waala
said
you want to know about those the most
losing
people those who will do things in this
worldly life and they are loser in the
day of judgment they lose they don't
gain anything out of this action that
they have done even though they thought
they are doing the best
put it
correctly reported that told a group
of people who did something not
according to the Shar he told them they
told M we only intent good good
intention is not enough
then said so many people intend to do
something good but they have not done
what you really you did is something
wrong my brothers and
sisters Allah is my witness that the
only reason I accept to talk about this
subject even though it was not my
suggestion but I never had a hesitation
to talk about this subject because the
love that I have have for this young
Muslims brothers and sisters who I know
that so many of them motivated by the
love for the religion and the
frustration of the political the poor
political situation that the Muslims
umah going through these
days and also for the love for those
people whove been deceived by certain
groups and certain
individuals who knows how to talk maybe
more eloquently than me and they know
how to quote a verse from here and a
Hadith from there to deceive those
Muslims who not willly aware and willly
educate well educated in this subject
and it end up that those young people or
old will end up corrupting their Dean
and their D their first life and the
second second because my brothers and
sisters there is nothing worst after sh
after committing sh associating other
with Allah subhana tala than killing a
person than killing an innocent
person those who do not call upon other
than Allah subhana wa tala they do
worship other than Allah while
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and the second crime the second major
sin was mentioned here is basically
killing and ass soul that Allah subhana
T forbade forbade to be killed and the
third sin that they commit
fabrication Allah said about those who
will do such
sins
their punishment will be doubled in the
day of
judgment and they will stay for it in a
very long time in this punishment except
those who repent to Allah and will do
good
deeds what is the worst
sin he
said to pray to other than Allah and
Allah is the one who created
you then
what that you will kill your son because
of the fear of
poverty that you will commit adultery to
fornicate with your neighbor's
wife this the prophet wasallam mentioned
the greatest three sins that can ever be
committed and he mentioned the worst
worst case scenario of each case the
worst case scenario when it comes to
worshiping other than Allah that you
pray to other than God than Allah and
he's the one who created you this is the
worst form ofur or disbelief and the
worst form of killing to kill your own
son and the worst case when it comes to
fornication to fornicate with your wi
with with neighbor's
wife so as also
said you are in ease unless you will
cause to injure to kill
someone my brothers and sisters I wish
that tonight we will open our hearts and
mind for dialogue and
education
and to open our mind to discuss or to
listen at least to point of views that
I'm going to raise today regard to some
of the issues that I believe it was
raised by those extreme groups over the
Internet used mainly to motivate or to
justify the act of terrorism which has
been taken against Muslim and
non-muslims as well in North America in
Europe in the middle
in so many countries in over across the
globe and to clarify the truth from the
falsehood because the nature of any
deviant sects or groups that appeared in
Islam that nobody comes and say you know
what I'm wrong I dis announce Islam and
Sunnah and this is nobody say that
everybody has to back his or to back
their argument with evidence evidence
from Quran or Sunnah that was the case
from from the very early time during the
history of Islam
but here there is an important point
which is a lot of
Western educator
raised and non-muslims also raised that
sometimes when I talk about this issue
the question will come and how do you
know that you are upon the
truth they claim that they are upon the
truth and they said there is no
solutions that some of the non Muslim
would say you student of knowledge comes
and talk to the Muslim Community telling
them whatever you want to tell but still
in the end of the day they going to tell
whatever you know and no final basically
decision will be made this is maybe
applicable to as I said to a lot of
people who have Western background or
Christian background in general to be
specific in Islam it is a little bit
different in Islam we don't have that
loose
end in certain areas
yes there is a diversity in our religion
there is different opinions are accepted
in different fields but also we have
something we
call principles
foundations that no argue about it and
that what we use against those basically
uh those groups and these extreme groups
in Islam we have a concept it's called
Innovations in religion
and those Innovations are leading to the
Hellfire as the prophet sallallahu alaih
wasam it is not the first time for
Muslim to deal with such groups it's not
the first time that we have an extreme
group in any areas in as a militant
groups or even in ideologist to deal
with them and it been clear for the
history of Muslims that they were
alhamdulillah the mainstreams and to
isolate these ideas and they were always
my minority and they will remain because
the Shan the Satan always has people
that he will be able to deceive and to
take them astray but Allah subhana tal
said we have sent down a we have sent
down the Quran and we are going to
protect it and the protection of the
religion
as wrote a beautiful article about this
also that the protection of the religion
is not only by protecting the text it's
also by protecting the understanding the
correct understanding of the text that
it has to be protected and how it been
protected as the prophet
s
said that the prophet told us that there
will be a
division whoever will live among you
will see a lot of Divisions happen to
the Muslims and this divisions among
Muslims will be even where it will be
greater than the division happen among
Christians and
Jews but the difference that in among
religions before us there is no one
there's no sect there is no group been
promised to be always Victorious and
clearly recognize as the group upon the
truth but in the case of Muslim he
said there are will be victorious they
will be always recognized recognized by
the methodology that they follow the
common sense that they have their
foundations and the principle that they
are holding into it that's why there is
no one ever invented an innovation in
religion or establish a sect in religion
unless you will see him clearly or her
contradict themselves or will contradict
a clear text in Quran and evidence and
this statement is not just a statement
I'm saying in the lecture this is a
statement made by Scholars well founded
in religion EX experts when it comes to
the history of sects such
ASL and if I need to coach I'm willing
to
just an example of said
in he
said
that everything that the innovators Tred
to to establish and to avoid by
inventing new principles or ideas in
religion they will end up contradicting
themselves by doing what is
Worst by doing what is worst and another
time said a very generous statement
said in the introduction of his great
book he said everybody in invented in
religion a principle that is not in the
religion it will lead him to reject a
text from Quran and Sunnah and the both
have given hundreds and tens of
examples of the practices of these sects
I'm not here to talk about this
particular the history of sect in Islam
I do have already a set of CDs you can
see it has some examples not necessarily
directly related to this subject but it
is no no doubt incorporate with the
subject in
general my brothers and sisters the
issue of Innovations in religion it's an
issue been documented it's clear we know
how to recognize Innovations from what
is Innovations religion from what is
Sunnah those group that I'm talking
about today are not
new there is a similar group even though
my personal opinion that not so many of
these extreme groups that adopt uh uh
the the methods of attacking and killing
uh governments and uh non-muslims in
general
like in Egypt and what known today
as the International Coalition of Muslim
sects to uh declaring war against
Christians and Jews which is have
in
Egypt and two groups from Pakistan and
Bangladesh have signed that Coalition
treaty or
documentation in uh in the
1998 in
1998 such group they are not new such
ideologies and the argument that they
came up with also in North Africa and in
Egypt there's so many different groups
as well it in Europe and in America you
will find here and there people who
adopt certain ideologies that as I said
it's not new in its nature it is
something known from long time
ago there is a Time came where Muslims
politically were in
unrest there's unrest political
situations and also where some Muslims
have seen change in the leadership in
the government where they notice or they
claim that there is a Corruptions in the
government and that was in the time
of and that led them to change what they
thought is a corruption by
killing when there is a fight between
Muslim leaders Ali mu and three major
basically leaders here and there is a
fight happened between them there is a
group of Muslims said this is not
acceptable this is wrong they are all
against the Shar what is the solution
let's assassinate them kill them and to
get rid of the
problem and those people develop later
on they start as something we call it
and they end up in a very wellknown sect
in the history of Islam it's called Al
and I definitely recommend Muslim to
revisit and to study those
group because the said
muslim
they will always come and appear in your
Society in your community until the the
fall Messiah appear so they will be
always exist in the Muslims at word or
among Muslims or in the world in general
until the end of the days
basically I believe not necessarily all
of these groups
are because one of the basic argument
those people will come and tell you I
don't believe if you commit major sin
you are CF and the believe that Al
believe that Allah cannot be seen in the
day of judgment and we don't believe
that Al believes that there is no
intercession for the sinners in the day
of judgment we don't believe in that we
believe in
the
of that there is intercession in the day
of judgment that when you commit a MJ
you will not be cff by drinking
alcohol would that free them from that
La no as a matter of fact if you look at
how the early Muslim generation used to
consider somebody from or not it not
necessarily by these ideologies it is by
the spirit the practices actually they
said this is the only description you
will find among the early generations
and I'm talking about the first 300
years in Islam those who carry weapons
those who feel that the way to uh uh
basically to get their message across it
will be by carrying weapons and fighting
and killing innocent
people sometimes you see people have the
spirit
of not the methodology of not the belief
of the spirit of and that can be exist
in so many people for instance those who
rush and go Hasty to say you are
hypocrite you are cfir you are you are
are this you are that this is the spirit
of those who always concentrate on
criticizing and attacking their brothers
and sisters it is the spirit of those
who are extreme in their views even in
their worshiping God it's a spirit
of was told about a man whenever he
recite the Quran he will immediately
fall unconscious oh been moved by the
verses and fall
unconscious said this is
from this man
from said the same thing as it been
recorded by and and others why because
that the spirit she
said the prophet companion they were
more righteous than them and none of
them did what they doing so this is an
an important Point here to differentiate
between also the spirit of that those
groups might have and not necessarily
the ideology or the ideological uh
beliefs that the used to
have today I think it is important to
talk about this subject because I don't
want to be among some of my brothers who
unfortunately still insisting that this
is not a problem after all what we hear
today in the news and we seeing and we
personally dealt with they insisting
that this is not a major problem to deal
with they are just some of them so naeve
or so I don't know what to call but they
said oh this exaggeration is made by the
CIA or the mad or the Muslim governments
they made them otherwise there is no
such groups
Subhan
Allah I don't know when such people will
wake
up also some brothers and sisters or
some student of knowledge will not like
to talk about the subject because for a
simple reason because the other side
there is so many Injustice happened by
the
hand of the government of United States
against Muslims world so many Injustice
that we don't agree with happening
against the Muslims in Palestines by the
hand of Israel and there's so many
Injustice happening to Muslims
individuals happening to the Muslims
inside the muslim's country by the hand
of so many dictators and governments so
they think if you talk about these
groups you will justify what you don't
agree with which is done by any country
Muslim or non Muslim Muslims and I
believe that's not fair and that's not
right one mistake plus one mistake will
never make one correct it will me two
mistakes you need to say that what is
happening in the muslim's country by the
hand of Muslims or by the government of
us or any country in the world if you
believe and you think it is wrong you
stand up and you argue that and you make
your point and a lot of people thousands
of people have made their point clear
that they agree or disagree with their
government if they take a position
towards one case or another but this is
will never justify us also to remain
silent and to turn our back or our face
to the other direction and let these
groups grow and when some student of
knowledge did that and I remember that
as if it was yesterday in Saudi Arabia
when I used to talk with some
individuals and I tell them you should
come across and talk clearly about such
individuals who these idea is growing
they said no no don't worry let them
there's so many Injustice happening them
let them put pressure in the government
what happened the things have got out of
hand out of hand and we all of the
sudden we hear every other month about
people blowing themel up in a campound
or in a government building or
assassinating a a an an a government
official now they regret that they have
not talken early about the
issue so I think it is an essential it
is important for us to be brave and to
admit that we do have a problem but the
good news is the good news is that the
nature of the Muslim
Community to fight
terrorism the nature of the Muslim
Community is to reject
extremism that's the nature of our
community somebody was telling me once
it is the Muslim Community
responsibility to fight terrorism I said
I have better way to put it the Muslim
Community naturally reject
extremism actually it's a
trend for those who have gone extreme or
those extreme people you know which
Community they belong to the community
of
forums the community of internet but
they never been active in their
Community you will never have see them
actively walk work in Social works you
will never see them organizing a blood
drive you will never see them carrying
canned foods to the homeless you will
never see them work in a mass or a
Muslim Community because this
environment is so healthy this
environment is busy with what is
beneficial and it's very hard for a such
person to fit
in that's why you always go and find
them only online or whatever they will
be hiding and this not only in the west
by the way even in the Middle East even
in the Muslim country you will see them
always away from the
community reclaiming Islam from the
jihadist I have to declare this and to
say it very clear that's not the title I
have chosen actually it was given to me
and I'm not 100% And I said that when
the title was given to me but even I'm
the vice president but we have kind of
democracy in The Institute it doesn't
mean I have to enforce my uh belief uh
on them but or what I think but I said I
will make that
comment I believe that this name not an
accurate name and I would never use it
if it's only my choice because that's
Pro provoke others and indeed it did so
and maybe make people angry and the last
thing I want to do is to make anybody
angry angry that's not my goal my goal
is to guide you my goal is to stretch my
hand not to H with my hand to welcome
you I don't want anyone when hear this
lecture because of the title will take a
defense position you know what I'm
holding it and now you're taking it from
me no no no that's that's not what I
want I want you to open your mind and
your eyes and to listen to the evidence
to listen to the elders among the
scholars to look around and to see the
picture clear not only the way that it
been put in front of
you I also believe that this
title have done unjustice to the word
Jihad because I believe those people
that I'm talking about they don't
deserve the word
jihadist because the word Jihad is a
beautiful word is an Islamic word with
the whole word used to know the word
Jihad in a very beautiful way when the
80s you hear about the mujah the mujah
the mujah in
Afghanistan but those people who have
taken this word or say we are Jihad
Jihad is far away from what they're
doing what they doing
is
transgressions isul Injustice abusing
murderous they're not this is not what
the Jihad that Allah and his messenger
sallallah alaihi wasallam have came with
so in the old days the used to call
themselves aat those who sold their
souls to Allah they sold their souls to
Allah did anyone of the Muslim Scholars
agree on this name no they never call
them this because they don't deserve it
because they were Liars they call them
by the name that they they they
deserve these
names
you never find one of these names have a
good or
meaning two I don't think that they I
need to reclaim alhamdulillah they are
minority they never took or hijack Islam
but no doubt in media they were a
perfect example to be used to some media
not all of them I have to be also very
clear some of media out of ignorance and
sometimes not they might think or
generalize in their terms uh uh against
Islam and Muslim by linking Islam to
such ideology such
ideologies
um a lot of people been deceived by such
people for two reasons one because their
appearance because they look religious
they have big beard they quot Quran they
memorize the
Quran and I just want to remind everyone
here with what IMI and Muslim reported
in the that the prophet said
from group ofas narrated The the prophet
said there is a group will come when you
compare your prayer to their prayer the
way you pray to the way they pray and he
talking about who about the companions
of Muhammad you compare the companions
of Muhammad's prayer and fasting and the
way they read Quran to the way those
group read Quran and fast and pray
your prayer will seems to be like
nothing comparing to them that means so
righteous pray a
lot they read
alquran but reading Quran will not
travel farther than their throat it
means they don't understand it it
doesn't go to the brain they don't
understand they just read it they just
quoting it or it will not travel to the
sky where Allah subhana accept the Deeds
it will
not he
said they leave and exit Islam and they
will never come back to it and because
of this I believe also that some of
those extreme people who have gone so
far I have so much big doubt that they
will ever come back and I don't care
much about talking to
them because I think they've G the
prophet said they exit they never come
back you read tens of Companions and
successors and early Scholars
said a novator will never repent and
they always connect this to
the you see
maybe whatever he repent but usually
they don't they stay this way why and
that's one of the dangerous thing if you
take that route and you go deep in it it
might be so dark that you never you get
lost you cannot never come
back if I ever meet them I will kill
them all I will destroy them all in the
same manner as Allah destroyed the
people of
and whoever killed them he will be
rewarded or fight them he will be
rewarded anyway as I said I'm not saying
that they are the they are the but they
have the spirit of such people so don't
let the look deceive you don't let the
turban and the big beard and that
deceive you
no it is what they calling what they
base their argument on two what let a
lot of people to be deceived by them
also that de cult a lot of Scholars a
lot of
well known recognized schors
like cath they use this a lot to appear
as if they are people who base their
argument in fundamentals and Foundations
and so
on and we will give an examples
inshallah of how this is not accurate or
uh uh fully
true
I would like to make a um a point here
or a declaration I give before several
lect two lectures close to this subject
and I have used a word in it and it rais
a lot of attention at that time and a
lot of people talk to me about it and I
would like to
say that I said at these lectures
something in that line that the people
who have come to participate in the war
in Afghanistan in the 80s or the mujah
that I remember or I know a lot of
people in that time when it was young
man in in in in in Arabia and I see a
lot of people going there they were
people who couldn't make any difference
in their life they were not successful
of family in their society and they end
up going that I believe that
generalizing this word is not accurate
it's not correct and I ask Allah to
forgive me from it and I think that's
not the correct point to make that
General statement because among the
people who went to the Jihad in
Afghanistan in the ' 80s sincere men and
women and they were not losers they were
successful people who went in that time
to fight the Russian and that I meant to
generalize there's a lot of Afghani
sincere brothers and sisters sacrified
their lives and their family died in the
process of Liberation Afghanistan from
the Russian and I think it will not be
fair to make a general statement but I
was talking about a group of of people a
certain group of people who later on
formulate these extreme views and ideas
so just to make sure that this is clear
um so basically we talking about the
people who
uh we talk about the people who spread
extreme views in a such manner to
encourage people to kill or injure or
destroy urbans
uh or kill innocent people Muslims or
non-muslims attacking and trans
aggressing trans to trans aggress
against uh Muslim or non-muslims as well
in a Muslim country or a non-muslims
country uh as long as there is no a
status of a clear war and I would talk
about this because this is an area where
they play the game oh there is a war we
have a war okay so that's justify what
we doing no but I'm talking specifically
about this group that I mentioned
earlier like
and people who are circling around their
ideologies circle around their
ideologies and also I would like to
praise the brave decisions of certain
leaders of these groups who have left
these ideologies like ISL in
Egypt in Libya in Saudi Arabia to
certain individuals have declared that
they have left and repented from from
such ideologies and even posted in the
internet very beneficial uh books
written in Arabic and I hope that it was
also provided in English for English
speakers as well as well so this is
something give us hope inshallah and it
is an an indication for those young
brothers and sisters who basically
impressed by these groups to see the
other side of the coin and to see from
inside what it exactly it used to look
like like when you talk about the
history of and people like that you will
see totally different picture of what
maybe have engrave in your mind about
such
individuals uh I would like to say that
terrorism and extremism always based in
two pillars one those who
supported terrorism uh by ideologies by
justifying the actions and those who
supported it by weapons by carrying the
weapons and if there is a person who
have both this is the most dangerous
person will be but there is two group
people they never carry weapons but they
give the IDE they spread on the idea and
I think for the Muslim Community for the
student of knowledge the role it should
be always or this is the nature of our
community alhamdulillah to reject and to
fight these ideologies and we should not
wait for the government and I'm talking
specifically about America here we
should not wait for the government to
invite the government to fight the
ideologies because the moment the
government step in to fight ideologies
the moment you might be lose a lot of
your civil rights that should be the
community role and that's the role that
we expecting from it that you look the
government watch from a distance but we
as a community take care of these
ideologies talk about it open in the
dialogue make to ensure that it is will
be clearly addressed and basically uh
opposed by the community but when it
comes and basically we will be the front
TRW here in fighting terrorism and any
agencies or government agents should be
just from the back you should not be
involved only the involved if the law
was broken if the law was broken because
before breaking the law there is a big
gap and a distance and as much as you
let the government involv before the law
was broken as much and you losing left
and right from your rights as the Civil
Rights but whenever the situation turned
to be an active roles by causing harm or
a real threat to the security of the
citizen of any country in this case our
role will be to pull back and that's the
government basically role to ensure sure
that such damage will not take place
such terrorist act will never be uh
taking place to protect the uh uh the
citizen of its own
country usually my brothers and sisters
terrorist group justify they take their
support from the reaction of government
Subhan Allah you know a lot of time you
don't hear what caused the problem every
time they talk about how the governments
reacted to them so they talk a lot about
how the Muslims were tortur in the jails
like what have triggered the whole thing
it will be lost in the dialogue so as
much as there is aggressive reaction
from government as much as these people
justify for themselves and feel a lot of
people supporting them and thy from
people and that should not be a a way to
fool us to forget about what caused the
problem from the beginning from that
beginning
so many times terrorist group or extreme
group they start their ideologies based
their ideology in a fair case but not in
a fair and just way of treating it
Palestines it's a fair case but the way
that it might be used and the
justification that happened because of
it will not be necessarily Fair a
portion is something not very good but
to go and blow up a clinic of a a
portion Clinic that's not a right or a
fair way of dealing with it um using
useres and and basically corrupting
people's financially and selling drugs
and alcohol it's a bad thing but to go
to blow up certain institutes and
killing people there that's definitely
is Haram is
Haram so uh they might have a just case
but they don't have a just means
basically to their case that they want
to uh discuss so we should also keep
that in mind when we talk about this
group
okay uh one of the things that I have
noticed by studying or reading about the
ideologies of these extreme groups there
is very fast trend of changes and they
split very quickly so it start with one
case all of the sudden you start as a
big Sinners then you in the biggest
Hypocrites then the biggest cafir then
the most enemy of Islam then you see how
it start America is bad then it is the
worst then it is enemy number one and it
is and now it's one case two three 4
five it's very fast that change so many
issues will be raised and that create a
sense of confusion and make it very hard
to have a debate or a dialogue a
dialogue and also shows you how far it
goes It goes with fighting the people
who the bad then the people who live
with them then the people who Aid them
then the people who live around them did
you see how's that work so in the
beginning they said a suicide bombing it
came be done in a case of uh fight in
the war then after that it became go to
a place where there's government then
you go to public place then end up even
killing himself and they said that's
fine because he raised a awareness see
how the change from one level to another
from one level to another
also uh it's it's it's it's interesting
once it is war against the government of
certain country in the beginning for
example J in Egypt has this declaration
that they only focus in fighting
Egyptian government they call
it the enemy who's next door or it's
priority for us to fight him than the
one who far away so they never fought
any Western Country anything like that
and after years after more than
1,400 people killed in this
process by the fatwa and by the uh
basically the instruction that given by
and people like
him they come later on to say we were
wrong we should not do do that we should
not focus on this after killing more
than 1,400
people 1,300 of them are among the
Muslims among the Egyptian
citizens over a course of less than 7
years then you change and now you said
which is very weird the enemy are the
whole world there is an open war against
Christians and Jews everywhere in the
world and in America in Europe and South
America and
everywhere it is a traumatic change very
fast and
unexpected also there are so many
contradictions in their approach for
instance those extreme groups they
calling for the justice of Islam and the
implementation of the Shar and the
protecting of Human Rights and the are
the first one to to validate all this to
basically not paying attention to human
rights to not applying Justice and not
to applying the shar's rules these
extreme groups they ask people to make
incar to basically fight what is evil
and themselves doing what is
evil when you read the fatwa of some of
their leaders when he said it is
permissible to go to burn a video story
or alcoholic Place who sell alcohol and
even if this is will cause to burn the
whole building then in Egypt a building
will come atate hundreds of family they
will end up in the street that's fine
that's not evil that's not wrong to go
to m where sufis gather and to throw a
Nal or a bomb in the middle of the
Gathering that's okay because that's in
if somebody die or burn that's fine to
go to a Shia MOS to blow it up with the
kids and children and everybody that's
fine that's
in it is contradiction when somebody
just fresh Muslim fresh young man or
woman come back to Islam want to
practice Islam the first thing you do
you WRA him up with a a bomb and you go
blow yourself up isn't that person need
to take his time in worshiping Allah
subhana tala where is the where is the
did the prophet used to do
that contradiction when you hear them in
England and living off the
social system in Europe and the United
States they taking their pension their
checks from the government that they
declare war against
it isn't that contradictions
contradiction when your own
country want to kill you when there
there is a civil war in your country and
not a single Muslim
country open their doors to take the
refugee of these countries who had a
civil
wars where they end up in America and in
Europe who opened their doors these
countries and you the return you plot
against them that's a
contradictions contradictions when you
ask people to blindly follow and obey
the Amir and not to obey their
parents it is contradiction when you
claim that you follow the
scholars like always
quoting talk about but whenever it comes
their statements against them they dis
announce them
immediately they talk about Muhammad
ABAB and C him or muhammmad ibraim and
caught him but they never they forget
that he was one of the pillars
of the Saudi government that they
believe it is the most evil
government why why the why you pick his
opinion
in and now you forget about his
practices my brothers and
sisters Al Jihad there is no need for me
to talk about the virtues of jihad
because this is will establish I don't
need me or anybody else it is one of the
pillars one of the fundamentals in Shar
and no need for uh exaggeration or
somebody say oh talk about the important
we know about it but let me explain some
important fact about Jihad Al Islam came
to establish a society a civil society
in this Society you will have something
called Justice Department like what we
have just to make it simple to be
understood we have a system for how the
state work how the Muslim State work you
have a system how the judge have to
practice his uh job how the policeman
has to work at we call it in
Islam how there is a financial institute
can be built in the country and how they
work which a or we have a defense
Ministry known all in the history as aan
which is people register for the Army
and so
on and in order for you to organize the
concept of War and Peace it was given to
the to the Muslims in a form what we
call the books of talk a lot about the F
the ruling related to Jihad that's
basically when there is a muslim's state
or there is a Muslim in country how they
declare war when they declare war what's
the ruling in related to the war that's
what you read in the books of
jihad it's not ever meant for just every
individual to claim it's not like Salat
you can go and make Salat in your own so
you can go and make Jihad in your own
exactly you cannot go and say I'm the
judge I'm going to apply the punishment
and now I will judge between people you
can't do that it's not up to you it is
it is part of a whole system of it's
part of a whole otherwise it will be a
mess like what we're seeing today two Al
Jad is a tool is not a mean that's why
if as so many scholars like abam and
other said if what you want to establish
by Jihad can be established without
fight you're not allowed to
fight so it is not a goal that's why one
of the worst things I ever heard in my
life somebody said so and so is cfir why
because he never P he never declared
Jihad Subhan Allah as if it has to be
exist it's a mean if there is need for
it you use it and also Al jiad is only
allowed to be exist if the Ben benefit
from it outcome the
disadvantages it's not in all cases
because the Shar based
on when there is the great benefit can
be achieved can be achieved I don't know
if I have time to quote like IM
Im so many scholars I have their quotes
here they all
said he said and let me quote
if the IM of the Muslim it's only
related to always related to the IM the
leaders if he surrounding a castle and
he found that there is more harm of
surrounding them and fighting them and
it is better for the Muslim Army to
leave them he should leave he should
leave because the Sall alaihi wasallam
when he surrounded and he every day they
were hard more people killing and there
is hard it's very hard to enter such
Castle he left the
and he never came back to attack in 10
so there is so many quotes from The
Scholar this is something agreed upon
that when there is a great benefit of
jihad to be declared that ruler Miss
must make that call in this case but if
the ruler think that it is will be more
disadvantage of declaring war against
anybody he should not involve the
community or his country in such in a
such War also the other thing that this
issue of jihad and I believe if you make
this point clear to yourself and to
others that as I said it's a part of the
society it means it's in the hand of the
governor it's the hand of the leader
it's not in the hand of individuals
hiding in caves or in uh living in in
Internet Societies or in some apartments
here or there it is in the hand of the
Muslim khif or IM who in control of his
country Allah subh
said if there is a matter of fear or
safety or peace come a major issue they
have to refer it to the prophet and to
the leaders to the governors to the
Presidents whatever you call them the
leader s 83 no doubt that one of the
most important thing to be referred to
will be the issue of declaring war or
peace the prophet was
asked in verse 65 oh Muhammad encourage
people to fight invite them to fight so
Muhammad not everybody and whoever
replace Muhammad's role which is the
governors and the leaders of the Muslims
also the prophet sallallahu alaihi
wasallam said about the time when there
is Muslim will be so much confusion
divisions and Disobedience and so for he
said he said you gather around the IM in
a time where there's so many groups and
sex he said you hold with your brothers
around the Imam if there is no Imam did
he said go and fight them no he said you
avoid all of them so the issue is
connected to the existence of the IM
also
said that if you've been called to Jihad
you accept who make the call is the IM
of the
Muslim comment into it comment on this
also the prophet wasam
said those who fight under unknown
banners you don't know who's the leader
you know what the goal you don't know
what's going to be establishing and that
will only happen if there is no a
political entity leading the war that's
why the war never was Jihad was never
established in Mecca because there is
not yet a political entity it will be a
mess if there is a Jihad will establish
without a political entity to protect it
Al Jihad is basically like a
giant uh uh uh Force it has to be
controlled by the government to direct
it in the Govern in the right way
otherwise it will cause a lot of damage
Al
IM said in
his fight should be behind the leaders
behind the Imam which is the elected
leader or the leader of the Muslims the
Muslims uh there is so many quotes from
the sah from the from the it is one of
the principles read pick any books in
any books of you will read in
it and so many quotes like
this fighting and Jihad
under the Imam it must to be an Imam and
this IM cannot be just somebody claim
that I'm IM no the Imam is somebody who
been gone through a process where the
Muslim Community have chosen him to be
the Imam I'm saying that because I have
seen people trying to escape this point
and to allow themselves to declare war
against others without the IM The Only
Exception the made is when somebody
attack you in your home you don't need
anybody's permission to fight to protect
yourself that's will be
permissible U I don't have enough time
to basically go over uh the rest of the
point that I have but there is one uh
thing or few points very quickly I will
mention it uh in related to their
methodology also in I noticed that no
they don't combine by evidence so they
pick one verse or one Hadith but they do
combine all evidence together which is
make the picture clear so if you see one
verse talking about for instance fight
the kufar wherever they are you will
find another versus W would State
clearly fight those who are fighting you
or you will see the practices of
Muhammad sallallahu alai wasallam did
the prophet killed anybody just because
he's cfir and that's one of the thing
that they claim that if somebody is
non-muslims that's enough reason for him
to be killed which is is that how the
prophet sallam treated them did the
prophet when he conquered Mecca killed
everybody did the prophet wasallam
declared war against the in Yemen and
and the tribes not all of them he fought
as he never start a war with
anybody is that means only Jihad is a
defensive no Jihad is to defend the
Muslims and also sometimes you initiate
it if you know that this is a threat can
harm the Muslims in future and based on
this you will see the actions that took
place by the war that happened with the
Romans and others during the time of the
prophet and Abu bak and Abu
Bak also uh there is
no a time or they don't look at how also
the understand the text one of the
famous text that they always use take
the kuf out
of so that justified them to kill the
Americans in Arabia or whatever they are
and I explained that in my lectures in
in a detailed way so I don't think I
need which is terorist violence in the
name of Allah I don't think I need to
say that again but just to let you know
that the always been exist during the
prophet and after the prophet time in
the and they were all but the Hadith is
talking about they don't or that they
don't dominate they don't have a
domination of their religion over the
Arab uh Peninsula and there is a big
debate between the scars to Define what
is actually Arab peninsula some
restricted this to Mecca and Medina
also you you see one of the issues that
they always raise is the issue of and
maybe that's the last point I will talk
about any form of to the kuf it means
you are non Muslims and that's also
another
misunderstanding Al in Arabic language
it means love and support and the love
and support to make it very easy very
simple to you if you love somebody and
you support their ideologies and their
belief and their religion you became one
of
them all who you believe don't take
Jewish and Christians and it's a wrong
translation to say
friends aah the word aah means the
person that you love and you support
they love and support the religion of
each others or the each others and
whoever whoever among you will take them
as he will be among them among them and
similar to it the in verse number one
but listen to what the scholar said they
said about this verse specifically and
let me quote what
said
he said specifically
here that this which is take you out of
Islam when you love and you support
their religion for instance if a Muslim
would say I love the concept that Jesus
is son of
God he's not Muslim anymore he became
Christian that's the end of the story if
you love that Muslims they don't believe
that so if you love that and you support
that idea you became you became among
them and that what we call
it but there's
another another
another which it doesn't take you out of
the fold of Islam even though it's a sin
which is you love their sins or you love
whatever somebody said I love the
concept that you can do anything there
is no Haram pork or drinking it's
allowed I love that and I'm I support
that
freedom something like that in Islam
this has became sin this has became sin
this is became sin he still know it's
Haram to drink still know Haram to eat
pork but that's became a major sin or he
supported them for a personal reasons
for a person let's say a Muslim country
will support a non-muslim country
because they're afraid that their
economy will go down afraid that they
might attack them so they support them
by doing things which is Haram in their
country pressing the Muslims putting
them in jail stopping dawa they doing
Haram things because of the to the KU
would that became kuur listen to what
the scholar said he said if the W given
because of a personal reason a personal
interest but they believe it still exist
that will became a major sins and the
proof for that what happened in the time
of the Prophet sallam
when wrote a letter to the people of
quray and said the prophet coming to
attack your country and nobody knows
about it it's a Treon he revealed that
secret he took them
aah he gave them Support over the
Muslims by giving the prophet Secrets
away the prophet
told and go to and find a woman get me
the letter to end the story here listen
to what Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala
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said oh who you believe see he still
called
believer even though Allah
subhana even though Allah also said that
he have given W to them given W to them
and the reason he did that because he
said and every one of you guys have
family member on qur I don't have
anybody so I thought maybe doing them a
favor and that's why they protect my
family if there is any attack will take
place will take place that's why the
have comment on this verse by saying
that there is a difference
between general which include love and
support for their Dean and
the because of personal interest and if
the giving because of fear a pressure in
this case there is no harm you will not
even be held accountable for that as
Allah said inah imah
3:28 bottom line the love and support if
it's related to the religion to the
belief that's a because of personal
interest because of love for sins that a
sin and if the love and support was
given for worldly matters commonly known
between humans like all of us regardless
our religions we always we love and
support each other when it comes to
fighting cancers to fighting poverty to
providing educations which is the basics
foundations that most of the word modern
world today build on love and support
this it is not a Haram it is something
even the prophet wasam said about that
if he would be invited to participate in
it he will do it again that coalitions
to fight what was wrong at that time my
brothers and
sisters it is a
a sad when you look also that sometimes
they try to change or misquoting the
scholars and the just to deceive others
there is a lot to be said a lot to be
discussed I think what is the the role
of our student knowledge and Scholars to
be aware that these extreme views or
those people who claim that they defend
Islam and that's my final Point what's
the the best argument Muslims are in
unjustice happen to them we stand up for
the truth to support Islam isn't that
what do we
hear the question that you ask yourself
did they support any Islam did they
remove any
Injustice did they brought any
good him
the result and the outcome of their
actions you will recognize them as said
the only BR
distractions those who killed several
thousands in New York not far away from
here what they good they have made to
humanity what good they had made to
Islam and Muslims oh dignity oh what
dignity you brought nothing nothing the
reality the ru the reality is nothing
you wipe out two
countries and caus the invasion of two
countries it's planned before you know
what before and I don't want to transfer
this lecture to be a political lectures
claiming that America is Enemy Number
One America stretch their hand to help a
lot of Muslims why this is have
forgotten in
bosnas and in uh uh the issue of
Afghanistan against the Russian it is
for personal interest
for person is what you want for the sake
of
Allah it's so weird you said it's for
yes didn't they establish the
communication with Taliban to have a
pipelines for gas to use the Taliban and
they were rejected by the Taliban
government yes they looking for interest
they will look for somebody else like
Ahmed sh to help
them but if you're not smart enough to
know how to play the game you don't
deserve to lead the Muslims word if you
don't know how to make the decision
wisely if you don't know how to protect
your people you don't deserve to be in
the first line if the only thing you
know is just to push the button or to
blow yourself up that's not what the
what that's not what going to make a
change in the future of Islam and
Muslims just ask yourself what good they
have brought to the Muslims in
Islam
nothing and put all this argument in the
site everything they claim that they
trying to establish by what they doing
they only doing the
opposite thank you very much whatever I
said is corrected it's from Allah never
is wrong it is from myself and really
really deeply from my heart I encourage
all of us to focus in education to learn
our Dean before we rush into these
issues judging peoples and governments
and individuals and War there is so many
things need you need to deal with it in
your own life in your personal life and
I think we should put our priorities uh
straight and to focus in what will bring
prosperity and good to us as Muslims as
citizen of of of of whatever country
because it's a mixed crowd you you from
you should be a person who bring good to
the table not to bring disasters and
animosity and and and problems to to
yourself and to your family and to your
community may
Allah thank you very
much
um in the time Danish was making the
announcement real quick I was just
asking
uh about what sort of questions I can
ask him because we got a lot and
alhamdulillah he told me he said I don't
like sensorship and I don't like staged
questions so he said what the people
wrote just say it say it in front of
everybody so um Danish is right the CD
is for sale but this Q&A is not for sale
so I would definitely stay seated
because there's some interesting
questions um so with that inshallah the
first question is this um for your talk
religious extremism in Jihad and
violence is definitely a real problem
today but do you think as much as the
scholars are emphasizing the Jihad and
violence and these problems maybe
they're forgetting to focus on other
problems like modernism and other issues
because so many times we only hear about
this type of extremism now and nobody's
talking about the other
issues
uh uh first of all I would like to say I
agree on the concept we should not focus
on one problem forget all the other
problems there's so many problems in the
mus in the world and in the Muslim
Community and other communities as well
that's why out of more than
maybe 500 lectures I give in America
there is three of them only about
terrorism so I don't think I'm focusing
on terrorism uh that's one out of all
this lecture that you're going to hear
today that's the only lecture dealing
with this issue but we just try I agree
with you we have to be moderate
alhamdulillah I I have I want to tell
you that this something we really
greatly uh take it into consideration
yes another question she you had said in
your talk that Jihad is an Islamic word
and a beautiful word could you just give
a comment explaining what you meant by
that Jad in in Islam the word Jihad
comes
from which is struggling when you put so
much work and emphasis and effort on
something um Jad has so many
meanings said it has five different
meanings you can read that in Z and it's
available in English as well U Al Jad
not only necessarily means fighting uh
with carrying weapons and fighting uh
enemies no Al Jihad can be with words as
Allah subh
said you fight the KU with the Quran use
the Quran as a tool of jihad so it is an
intellect Jihad struggle
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also uh perform Jihad against the mush
with your wealth with your money with
your uh tongue and with your hands uh so
the Jihad is a very common word Allah
the prophet also
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said that the prophet said the best or
the best form of jihad when you stood up
in front of un just ruler and you tell
him the truth and you confront him with
the truth then he will might execute you
or kill you uh see it's a very Noble way
you stand up in front of him you talk to
him there's no petting there's no
deceiving uh it's it's very
straightforward you stand up and you
talk uh to to
him um that's basically some examples of
how the word Jihad was used and other
than the physical terms the tangible way
which is cting weapons and fighting
fighting someone uh so for us Jihad for
Muslim Jihad is a system to ensure that
when there is a Muslim state that the
way they declare Wars
peace basically uh uh equal to what
known today the defense minister state
of Def secr defense uh Secretary of
Defense something like that whatever uh
rules would govern the Muslims uh
basically in this area what we call it
ABAB Jihad the chapters of
jihad um this is a this is combining a
question that many people
asked you touched upon some history in
your lecture and you mentioned
Afghanistan in the 197s and 80s was a
great thing can you differentiate that
Afghanistan and today is what is
happening today also a noble Jihad is
something happening today also the good
type of jihad that we should all be
proud of um can you please
elaborate uh first of all in the 80s the
Jihad was from the Muslims uh The
Afghani Muslims groups even though it
was not something we were happy with
pleased with that they were more than
seven
groups fighting and they not
United together in the fight against the
Russian and I remember personally not
talking about somebody else talking to
some of the leaders of these groups like
ABD uh listening to their talk and
raising this questions to them saying if
you are seven groups now how many you
will be when the war
finished if in the time of War you are
seven after War how many groups you
going to be and what I anticipated and
so many others at that time happened
that after the the Russian were defeated
and pull out from
Afghanistan what was 1994 maybe
something like that I'm not good in
numbers but
anyway whenever they pulled out of
Afghanistan the war the Civil War
started the Civil War started and until
today you see there's a civil war
happening in Afghanistan the Afghanistan
and the Iraq issue is not America versus
Taliban is not America or NATO versus
Taliban is not America versus Iraqi
that's wrong way to put it that's not
the reality the reality is there is a
group of The Afghani
people with the Americans against some
of the Muslims and Afghanistan there is
Iraqi people with the Americans against
some of the Iraqi
people at least now for the time being
even forget about how it started now you
have a government in place you have a
system in place and it became the war
it's a civil war inside that country
inside that country and is that a reason
for a person to say that the government
will be cfir IB even though he's a very
strong person in his opinion he said no
doubt it's one of the worst worst sins
to use the kufar in war against your own
brothers so you can take over the
country but he said I don't see any text
in Quran ornah or will say that such
person C and he said
that uh so one of the thing that they
always use they just say this Governor
is cfer the government is kufar so
justify basically the war against them
in Afghanistan today it is it has a
government regardless of how good or bad
this government just unjust it is I
think the afani people need it and maybe
it's a regret talking about the past but
I think this Al group a Badin group
instead of dragging the tan to a war
against the world they should put their
effort to establish and to strength that
young stat that was coming up instead of
pushing it toward the direction that it
get them nowhere it get them nowhere but
alhamdulillah Allah subh has a wisdom
behind whatever happened but no doubt
today it is a civil war happening there
Muslim against some Muslims so and in
such fight it's very clear the Muslim
order to avoid such situation going
there and to fight under which Banner
under who for what for what cause what's
the goal what's the establishment that
is going to happen after that this is
what I call
it you go to war under unknown banners
and no doubt I have no doubt in my heart
that such participation and such from
the people and going and doing such
things is not uh a correct uh
action okay
um this is going to be the last question
at this point because we have uh other
lectures as well and I've just been told
um by my brother Danish that we have uh
some guests here who are here to see the
shake some um media and and other guests
but inshallah there will be a
comprehensive question and answer
session tonight and all of the ugb
Institute instructors are very
approachable for people who have
questions so with that this will be the
last question for this
session um and then again this is
paraphrasing multiple questions that
were like this she you in your lecture
you mentioned um different organizations
what about organizations like Hamas that
are more complex they do a lot of good
they do social services they set up
schools they help the community but
maybe they also have certain wings that
are extreme or maybe certain wings that
um do have some problems as well do you
have any comments about organizations
like
that uh I was talking about the
community like it's a trend for these uh
tourist groups and individual that they
avoid to be part of the community avoid
to have part of the
community uh as for talking about the
examples of hisbah and the social work
that they do in in in lebanan I never
been there I I don't have really my own
research about them or Hamas itself so
talking about them in detail that will
be another issue but let me tell you
what I know inah it's a sh organizations
even the support goes to sh groups among
them even that money that they give and
distribute goes to the Shia to the Shia
even though the banner that they declare
that they carry is the banner of
nationalism but if you member ofah you
have to be sh which is a contradiction
which is a contrad how can you to talk
about nationalism and only recognize the
Shia to be part of you
even
their the their participation in
fighting the occupation in southern of
lebnan and Southern of lebnan in MA for
example there were Sunni people they
never been recognized by the media or by
them and their contribution never was
mentioned it is a very uh Clos minded
group in hisbah
and uh we know the history of hisbah in
terrorizing Muslims and sunnis the
killing that took place by the hand of
AML who eventually dissolved and
basically became a part ofah in sa and
CH it's something will not be forgotten
the palestin iians that they have
suffered and killed by the hand of the
sh
militia and the extreme Christians milia
as well and uh in lebnan it's something
we alhamdulillah we still have our
memory fresh and we uh remember it that
they have done a lot of Act of terrorism
but you might be helping and and aiding
for a political uh reasons like giving
money and food for recruiting uh reasons
for recruiting reasons as for Hamas
they're not included in the group that
I'm talking about today Hamas it was an
elected it was an elected government in
in Gaza Hamas has nothing to do with
Hamas has nothing to do within ladin
Hamas it is a political issues uh
putting it uh or listing it in a
terrorist group what Define terrorist is
not the state department for us what
Define terrorist group is is not the uh
NATO would Define terrorist for Muslims
Scholars like my or student of knowledge
like myself it will be the Quran and
Sunnah the Quran the islamically are
they terrorist group or not H we might I
might disagree with them in certain
issues and one of the issues I disagree
with it completely the suicide bombing
that something I don't believe it is
allowed even if it's done in t even it's
done to in anywhere I don't believe that
is correct but that's a person opinions
and I I take um as for them they are
different completely from the the group
that I'm talking about uh
earlier okay with that inshah we're
breaking as I said you can ask the shake
other questions in the Q&A but not right
now there's two brothers waiting at the
stairway who are going to block you from
asking the shake anything and they're
taking him straight to visit with the
media see these topics bring the media
out also uh I just want to say that
when I talk about this my speech as you
notice is not directed to the media yeah
because I believe I can talk to the
media but and I will I don't mind to
talk to them but you more important to
me than the
media those who will hear these tapes
later on were more important to the
media I'm not waiting for any
recognitions or you know what I stop
every time I fly like you guys
you know I came to Baltimore I was
stopped in in in the airport the last
person to maybe to enter the airplane
and I don't care and I because I say
what I say because I believe it's
correct and that's when I said the
nature of the Muslim Community is to
fight terrorism the nature of the Muslim
Community to stand up for the truth even
if it is against ourself well can even
if he is a friend or a family member we
will stand for the truth and stop the
abuser from abusing
others