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about alhamdulillah asalam Alum peace be
unto you welcome to another episode of
the dean show which is a way of life we
try to put out there for everyone to see
helping you understand Islam and Muslims
and today we're covering a very very hot
topic you probably hear about it all
over the news Jihad what is Jihad you've
heard it mentioned dozens of times
hundreds of times in the news by now but
I'd like to thank you for coming to the
source to learn about this word to learn
about Muslims and my next guest is going
to be covering this very important topic
he's the author of the book called Holy
Wars Crusades and
Jad without further delay let's bring
out our special guest Jalal
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abace peaceful
peaceful
AB abub abub sorry about that sh how are
you alhamdulillah how are you thank you
for being with us today on the show
thank you very much we're going to get
straight down to the topic yes are you
ready yes I want to first because the
show is dedicated to help build an
understanding with
non-muslims now there's a lot of myths
and misconceptions so one of them I want
to clear up right off the bat they look
at you and they see a beer and they see
uh a kofy and they see the th and now
they say man that's one of the guys I
see on the news and they associate you
with terrorism or terrorists or what
that what do we got to say about that
without the glasses also if if you
buy any picture that depicts Jesus I
would look like Jesus exactly yes so if
you have Jesus is going to have a skin
as brown as mine he's be BR he's going
to have a beard he's going to have a
hair and something to cover his head and
he's going to wear a th and by the way
his mother would wear something so very
close to the hijab of the Muslim woman
absolutely 911 what do we got to say
about that they're probably looking at
those are the guys the Muslims they're
the ones that try to kill us they hate
us what do we got to say about this well
they doesn't mean anything because um
first of all Islam or Jihad have nothing
to do uh neither Islam nor Jihad has
anything to do with
9/11 um people would like to think about
Islam whatever they want want to think
but when it comes to the truth and
reality it's the misconceptions they've
had for centuries they've been
emphasized by some actions by some
Muslims who might be thinking that
they're serving Islam by what they did
but actually they haven't been serving
Islam so if you want to talk about 9/11
uh don't act like it is the first
incident in the history of mankind that
has uh violence in it because I'm a
Palestinian I was born into violence
that was created by the Christian world
that helped the Jews steal my land and
kill my people and you know we're
scattered all over the world so I was
born into violence and people who come
and tell me about 9/11 I tell them what
about me look at me
I can't even visit my family in
Palestine I can go I can't go to see my
own land members of my family extended
family abub by the way there lots and
lots of people called abub um they were
born they died without me ever seeing
them or knowing about them so 9/11 Islam
is not responsible for those who did it
are Islam is not responsible for those
who did it are tell us what does Islam
say about the killing of innocent men
women children condemning is not the
word here because when uh the prophet of
Allah Muhammad sallallahu alaihi
wasallam sallallahu alaihi wasallam
means May Allah's peace and blessings be
on him he ordered that uh women and
children not to be killed in war this
Hadith was collected by the two most
authentic resources in Islam after the
Quran we have the Quran which is the
holy book of Islam the word of Allah it
is the speech the literal word of Allah
Allah is the creator of everything and
after that we have the Sunnah and the
Sunnah is the practices and speech of
prophet Muhammad sallallahu alaihi
wasallam how he explained the Quran
these are collected in various books
they're called books of Hadith the most
authentic books of Hadith are called
bukari and Muslim and we have many other
books that are close to authenticity to
bukari and Muslim these two Scholars and
others collected a Hadith in which the
cousin of the Prophet sallallahu alaihi
wasallam distant cousin Abdullah Omar
said that once rasool Allah found
andasol Allah means the messenger of
Allah found a woman dead in one of the
battles so he so he ordered that women
and children are not to be killed in war
so a question does Islam condone killing
women and children no because Prophet
Muhammad said you can't so if a Muslim
comes and does that he would be doing
doing it in spite of Islam not in the
name of Islam not because of Islam
because Prophet Muhammad said you can't
do it
on top of that suicide in Islam as the
very vast majority of Scholars of Islam
throughout the history they consider it
as a major sin so many of them consider
it as an act that takes you out of Islam
out of Islam yeah yeah so for me sitting
here I was born into Islam I've been
reading about Islam since I was five
I've been teaching Islam for about 28
years this concept is absolutely not
present in Islam that is killing
yourself for any reason because Allah
has said and this is called ath meaning
what Allah revealed the words to the
prophet but they are not part of the
Quran in which he said about someone who
killed himself before his due time my
slave brought his soul back to me before
its due time paradise is prohibited for
him so if this is the case by Allah the
creator of everything if this is what
Muhammad says if this is what Islam says
so 911 in Islam they nothing to do with
each other and it's not as I said the
Christian world would like to us to
believe that this is the only violent
act that happened in the history of is
mankind since Adam came it's all
absolutely not true because the violence
that came before and after especially
the World War II can never be compared
to anything that happened in 9/11 by the
way people keep forgetting that about
20% of those who died in those attacks
were Muslim were Muslim yeah wow and if
you go and see the names you'll find
many many names that are Muslim names
com coming from the same area I came
from from Jordan from other areas I'm
Palestinian of Jordanian passport so
Jordan and Palestine they're just sister
countries and peoples so you have many
names that are Muslims plus many of
those who died without any record we
don't know them because many of them
maybe didn't have any uh you know they
have immigration status they're here
illegally nobody knows about them so so
many Muslim died how would any Muslim be
jubilant and be happy with what happened
and then think that Islam condones it
when Muhammad doesn't because in Islam
if you come up with your opinion then it
is your opinion it's not Muhammad's but
when Muhammad was asked a question and
it is hypothetical here because he saw a
woman dead he said do not kill women and
children that's it period done if
somebody steals and he's a Muslim would
you come and say Islam condones theft
even even though Allah in the Quran said
that those who steal they should lose
the hand that
steals it's the same thing here if
somebody comes and kills non- combatant
where Islam says you cannot do that then
Islam cannot be asked about it because
Islam doesn't condone it I've had many
people and we'll get to our main uh
topic well this is actually relevant to
it say why don't Muslims condemn such
act why don't the prominent leaders so I
wanted to make sure that on this show
that the guest that I bring on that we
are doing that cuz I had friend of mine
asked me that why don't these Scholars
why don't these people The prominent
leaders condemn such acts 9911 we're
doing that right now so as you've heard
our guest mention but also this is such
a fake question first of all as I said
Islam is not responsible for these acts
period period because the Quran and the
Sunnah they tell us that we cannot do
such acts we can't kill ourselves we
cannot hijack civilian planes or
anything and kill those civilians we
cannot kill civilians period this is
number one secondly why would I condemn
something that I had nothing to do with
I don't agree with never propagated
never preached and my religion doesn't
preach why don't the Christians come and
condemn every act of violence against
Muslims only in this Century let's start
from 2000 and now by what the Jews are
doing to the Palestinians by what's H
what happened in in in Europe in Africa
in India Muslims are being killed on a
daily basis why don't they come and it
plus Muslim leaders have condemned these
acts repeatedly but the West doesn't
want to hear it because they're not
hearing the magic words yes we're sorry
Islam is responsible they're not they're
never going to hear it Islam is not
responsible because it's not plus we the
responsible Muslim leaders throughout
the world whether they are uh religious
political leader they condemn these acts
and they said this is not a part of
Islam yeah so so that's takes care
that's it that's it okay let's get to
the book Holy Wars Crusades Jihad give
us a little preface of this book what
happens that I used to um before 9/11 I
used to work on my books I'm I'm
basically a translator that's what I did
before I'm working on Encyclopedia of
Islamic literature called Z when 911
happened and it wasn't part of my plan
actually to debate these issues either
live or in books I was just
concentrating on my other books
projects uh then people started saying
things about Islam including Muslims and
that made me um you know not only
outraged but I thought it is really
necessary and needed that people who
live in the west like me who have access
to the English language to the Arabic
resources to come and set the record
straight by explaining what Jihad means
in Islam uh how it is done properly and
how things that are called Jihad today
can be analyzed in this view so that
Anyone who reads this book can
understand that Prophet Muhammad said
don't kill women and children therefore
if a Muslim comes and does it then
Muhammad is not responsible for it
sallallahu alaihi wasallam why because
he said you can't do it because he
ordered his companions not to do it he
didn't do it himself and so I wanted the
concept of jihad to be understood
because so often I hear people who have
no clue what Islam is about especially
in the mass
media Jihad holy war Jihad holy war you
know this concept Hol hly war is not
doesn't exist in our religion it doesn't
no Jihad does not mean holy war this is
why my book I started by saying holy
world because this concept it appears it
came from the Jews we don't have it in
our religion the Crusades you know who
did the Crusades and Jihad is our way of
Defense Jihad is the defense mechanism
that Muslims have against their enemies
and it's not only fighting it's not only
against non-muslims it can be done even
against Muslims Who attack you you have
every right to defend yourself it's
called Jihad and by the way Jihad has 13
different aspects one of them only is to
fight in the battlefield so I wanted to
write this book to set the record
straight about Jihad to let people know
what Jihad means how it is properly
conducted also
I'm not the type of person who you might
see many Muslims who uh would like to
lower their head to n you know
non-muslims and say you know we're nice
we're good we just kiss each other on
the cheeks we're for peace and this and
that
because um we're not for peace
completely unless you're uh non-muslims
are for peace with us yeah so we're not
pacifists we our religion a part of the
meaning of Islam is peace it's a part of
the meaning but the larger meaning is
submission to the will of God Allah the
Creator and
therefore when we talk about peace we're
not pacifist meaning what um if you
attack us we'll attack you don't attack
us will not attack if you seek peace
with Islam and Muslims you will have
peace with Islam and Muslims if you
don't you won't so I wanted all these
Concepts to be explained in such a way
that there is a comparison also I said I
don't lower my neck except to my Lord
the Creator yeah that's what we do in
suud when we prostrate we just do it to
Allah alone the Creator I wanted to make
a comparison between what we have in our
book which is very very clear has been
practiced throughout the history history
of Islam by the prophet and his uh uh
successors the companions the
generations after that the scholars of
Islam it's very clear and documented and
compare that to what the people who are
attacking Islam Today have in their
books but they're hiding behind their
backs they have book books that contain
terrible terrible orders to ancient
prophets and as we reject these orders
and think God never would have you know
ordered them we reject what these people
are saying about the prophets too
because we believe in all the prophets
from Adam all the way to Muhammad
passing through no Noah ibraim Abraham
MSA Moses Isa Jesus and every other
Prophet we believe in all those prophets
and if you don't believe in any of them
you haven't believed in Muhammad or in
any of them give us some examples of
what you're talking about as far as the
things that are the slander that's
talked about like for example the
killing of women and children I just
explained it because okay this is a
concept that has to do directly with
9/11 killing civilians when the prophet
says according to bukari and Muslim you
can't kill women and children he ordered
his companions we're talking now Islam
now yes yeah now when you go back to the
Old Testament and hear that Moses uh has
been ordered and the order he gives it
actually to Joshua and other other
people children of Israel go to this
town this is the word the Lord is
speaking go to this town and kill every
man woman child suckling infant oxen
sheep donkey that's Bible now talking
the Bible old test yes that's what I
have in my book and I have the
references reference after reference
after reference you know the funny thing
is when I debate some Christians they
start saying Islam this and that and
this and that killing killing killing
you know non-muslims kill them wherever
you find them
and when I tell them about what about
what you have in your book because
killing of noncombatants is not only bad
just when it pertains to Islam any other
religion because I challenge you in your
book there is an addict in uh the second
Samuel that says go to this town kill
every man woman child suing infant the
rest of it and Donkey I don't know why
the Bible has a problem with donkeys
because in many aspects or many parts of
the uh in the Bible donkeys are being
ordered to be killed donkeys are okay I
mean the sound is not okay but they're
okay you know Jesus according to the
four gospels he went into Jerusalem on a
donkey on a donkey so donkey is okay it
helped Jesus peace be upon him because
we believe in him far more than people
think now when I tell them you have this
addict in your book they come and tell
me well this is an order for ancient
Nations you know doesn't pertain to us I
say this is my question when God ordered
Moses and Moses ordered the prophets to
go into this town and kill man every man
woman child and suckling was this order
when it came righteous or good and good
or bad and evil is this terrorism they
don't say anything because the minute
you tell them what the Lord said they
distance themselves from the Lord saying
this is for ancient peoples let's
suppose it is for ancient peoples okay
because we don't believe God ordered
these anyway this is another reason why
the Bible has been Rewritten by these
people they just put any stuff they
liked in these
books we'll be right back there's a
bumper sticker that reads God said it I
believe it my guess Bart er's reaction
to that is well what if God didn't say
it what if the book you take as giving
you God's words instead contains human
words man is the author of the new book
misquoting Jesus it's about how the New
Testament was altered by the scribes who
handw wrote each copy and in the process
made intentional or unintentional
changes IR chairs the department of
religious studies at the University of
North Carolina at Chapel Hill he's a
scholar of the New Testament and the
early church he was born again at the
age of 15 and studied at the Moody Bible
Institute later while attending
Princeton Theological Seminary he
started to have doubts about the literal
interpretations of the Bible he now
describes himself as as an agnostic
let's start with how the Bible was hand
copied for almost 1500 years with the
Bible we're talking about a period
before there is movable type and so uh
for books to be reproduced they had to
be copied by hand uh and so all of the
books of the new test and all of the
books in fact from all of antiquity were
reproduced by hand which is a very slow
painstaking process to mass produce a
book in the ancient world meant that you
would give the book to a uh to a that
that did these things and they might
have five scribes there who would copy
the book and so the mass production or
the the Kinkos of the ancient world was
the little scribal shop on the corner
where you might have five guys doing
this to to make a living uh so the book
The Books got copied out by hand uh and
copying a book by hand of course meant
copying it one sentence one word one
letter at a time uh and uh and that's
that's not only a painstaking and slow
process it's also uh the proc process is
open for mistakes to be made either uh
accidental mistakes is ascribed as just
being uh uh careless or possibly he's
tired or possibly he's inept uh and
sometimes scribes actually change the
text intentionally but sometimes they
would actually change the text to make
it say what they wanted it to say and so
we have these thousands of manuscripts
of the New Testament we have over 5,000
of these manuscripts but no two of them
are exactly alike there are hundreds of
thousands of differences in these
manuscripts and so the task is to figure
out what did the author actually write
given the fact that we don't have the
originals given the fact that we don't
have the originals given the fact that
we don't have the originals right I I
started out uh being interested in the
Bible because I was a born again
Christian a fundamentalist who thought
that the very words of the Bible had
been given by God and so I I studied
Greek in college and decided to read the
New Testament in Greek so uh the more I
studied though the the the more I saw
there's an enormous problem we don't
have the original Greek copies of any of
these books all we have are these
thousands of these thousands of
manuscripts from centuries later that
have all these changes in it and so this
uh re realizing that we didn't have the
original and that we that some places we
don't know what the original said that
had quite a profound effect on my my
faith that these words have been given
by
God given the fact that we don't have
the originals given the fact that we
don't have the originals so this uh re
realizing that we didn't have the
original and that we that some places we
don't know what the original said that
that had quite a profound effect on my
my faith that these words have been
given by
God
they're not original anyway when I tell
them well I'm not asking you if they
were for ancient people when they came
when these orders came was the order
from God to kill women and children
infants and sucklings was it a righteous
order was it good isn't this terrorism
or not just tell me and they won't say I
can't until today find a single
Christian preacher who attacks Islam or
evangelist or anybody or TV host
whatever who can come and say yes this
is bad in the Bible and this is bad in
Islam because I'm going to tell him in
Islam we don't have it I challenged I
had a brief debate with Craig win Craig
win wrote a book extensive book about
Islam and the title tells you about what
the book is about you don't even need to
buy the book I don't advise you to buy
it you can find it find it online for
free well anyway Islam's terrorist Dogma
from the words of its Prophet so what
does the book talk about you know
understand what it from the from the
title so I had a brief debate with him
on National radio with the on the Mike
Gallagher show which is in Dallas
originally so I asked him throughout the
brief debate I spoke for about 12
minutes he spoke for about 20 minutes
more than double than than me or less uh
than double whatever so I asked him Time
After Time bring me one verse in the
Quran that says Muslims kill women
children
non-combatants priests I'm going to
bring it the next segment next segment I
tell him where is the answer to my
question where is that verse I'm going
to bring in next segment even the uh the
host of the show Mike gallager he was
really fair because even though he is is
a friend of Mike G I mean of Craig win
he used to bring him all the time to his
show to talk about Islam and he told him
uh Craig where is that verse this man
has been asking
are you making this stuff up he said I'm
going to bring it he said it's inah
is I started laughing of course because
there is nothing in the Quran called is
he got mixed up
between something
and is a book about the biography of
prophet Muhammad sallallahu alaihi
wasallam peace be upon him it's called
written by a man the Quran is not
written by a man it's the words of Allah
so he failed to bring that verse and
until today I can't find
it and by the way you know one of the
things that actually made me start
working on this book it's in 300 pages I
put so many references there and from
the Islamic resources various resources
about Jihad what it means how it is
properly conducted also I made reference
to the Bible Old Testament New Testament
things Jesus has reported to have said
one of the things that made me write
this book is that this verse kill them
wherever you find them are you going to
ask me about it yes tell us because this
is something that is quoted by the
orientalist people who are looking to
try to bash Islam this is the verse they
use what do we got to say about that we
got to say lots about it because this is
in the second chapter in the Quran Surah
Bak Ayah 100 Ayah means verse 190
actually it doesn't mean verse but aah
means a sentence but it can be
translated to verse in English anyway
190 which is chapter
2 uh Allah subhana wa tala
says fight in the sake of Allah those
who fight you but do not commit
aggression because Allah does not like
the
aggressors and then kill them wherever
you find them this is verse number 191
next
so they eat up the verses before and
they come to 191 and quote it kill them
wherever you find them them refers to
whom poor Christians and Jews it's like
there is no other religion on the face
of the earth except Christians and Jews
that we have no business doing anything
in this life Muslims except Christians
and Jews no there are hundreds of other
religions why them would mean you know
Christians in fact if I come and say
kill them wherever you find them without
explaining it and talking or bringing
the verse before it you might understand
them to be to mean what kill them
chickens cows what why Christians why
kill them what because the verse before
it has something that them refers to MH
for anyone who has a sane mind who's not
led by his outrage and hatred for Islam
listen this is verse 191 190 says fight
in the sake of Allah here it means what
in the sake of Allah this is the meaning
of jihad our fight is always in the sake
of Allah it has to be righteous it's not
to rid you uh I mean non-muslims of
money or their wealth or their children
it has to be in the sake of Allah for a
righteous cause fight in the sake of
Allah those who fight you so here the
subject is those who fight you but do
not commit aggression aggression here as
IM and this is the major T explanation
of the Quran that we use today
alhamdulillah I translated a half of it
uh it's it's a huge volume of books I
mean a huge about 10 volumes I
translated more than five anyway IM K he
mentions references here he says that do
not commit aggression pertains to not
killing women and children priests Etc
because the Quran and Sunnah they fit
together you don't explain one with the
other yes so when it says do not commit
aggression we understand aggression it
means that it pertains to children and
women and non-combatants from The
Prophet's statement do not kill kill
women and children do not kill priests
also he said that yeah so because Allah
does not like the aggressors so if you
are committing aggression in the name of
Allah the Ayah already says no you
you're not you know you're a Muslim you
come and kill women and children and you
use this Ayah this Ayah refutes you
because it starts by saying fight in
which cause in the sake of Allah do not
commit aggression so if you commit
aggression by killing women and children
then you are not doing it in the sake of
Allah kill them then it says and kill
them wherever you find them so them
refers to whom those who fight you so
give us an example for the person now he
still don't get it what does that mean
someone who's doing aggression
aggression against you you have a right
to defend yourself absolutely Muslims
have every right like every other Nation
every other individual on the face of
the Earth to defend thems and to defend
thems with violence if they are met with
violence no one Christians Jews pacifist
Muslims anybody can take this right from
us we have every right like every other
nation that exists to defend ourself and
therefore somebody comes attacks me in
my land I have every right to defend
myself my family my religion my honor
and my wealth because
I'm a human being and this right has
been given to everybody now they want to
take it away from Muslims because
anytime you want to defend yourself they
going to call use the word Jihad and
it's not Jihad the word is is Jihad no
they see they they say
Jad it's like you know you're like that
guy who came from Texas uhuh on top of
uh maybe an ax and with a hat or a horse
you know Jad that's what reminds your
Cowboys you know yeah it's not Jad never
heard of this word in my life it's Jihad
if you have an enmity with this word at
least try to say it properly it's like
Muslim what's a Muslim I never heard of
a Muslim in my life I'm a Muslim and we
have more than a billion Muslims on the
face of the Earth the least you can do
is learn how to say the religion
properly but anyway
Gad Jihad well Jihad doesn't this word
is app lied against all kinds of
aggressors including and the Quran says
it if two Muslim groups fight with each
other okay they they were led into
fighting each other even though it is
disallowed in Islam what does the Quran
say that try to make peace between them
if one of them persists in aggression
says no I'm not going to go to peace you
have to fight that group that's also
Jihad coming here today from Connecticut
to Chicago today is a type of
jihad even what the kufar are doing
literally by going to work every day
literally is also a type of jihad Jihad
means to pay the effort if the effort is
in me speaking it's a type of jihad
working type of jihad and in my
sustenance you know it's called R in
Arabi in Arabic it's a type of jihad so
Jihad is not only about fighting and
it's not only to uh pertaining to
non-muslims even if a Muslim comes to
your house tries to commit aggression
against you in your house the prophet
gave an answer to that and this is also
Jihad one man said to the prophet of
Allah sallallahu alaihi wasallam
Muhammad he said to him what if a man
came into my house and wanted to kill
me uh should I fight him Prophet said
yes he said what if he kills me you are
going to
Paradise what if I kill him he goes to
Hellfire this pertains even to Muslims
therefore the word Jihad if you want to
use it in the proper Islamic way it has
13 13 different aspects only one of them
fighting non-believers in the
battlefield and it has to be righteous
in the cause of Allah meaning what if
you have oil if non-muslims have oil I'm
not going to go attack their country
just for the oil and then make up some
you know fake reasons for me going there
it has to be for in the sake of Allah
like they're committing aggression
against Muslims who live there trying to
prevent them from practicing their
religion or trying to kill them whatever
it is this is a righteous cause cause
and I have every right like every other
individual on the face of the Earth to
defend myself if I defend myself it is
Jihad if I defend myself and use the
word Jihad the news media can say he's
calling for Jihad yes we do because it's
our defense mechanism you know a part of
jihad the major part of jihad that takes
the longest period in your life is
fighting against Temptation from the
devil that's the biggest Jihad that is
the biggest with regards to the time
frame it takes from the time you
understand the order and commandment
from Allah until you die you have to
keep fighting the temptation of shatan
shatan is Satan is the devil so from
then tight say the Tendencies to go and
to drink alcohol to go and fornicate
adul all the evil vices to stay away
from everything that's bad that is the
biggest Jihad meaning with regards to
time frame the biggest with regard to
reward is when you fight in the
battlefield because this is when you
show your Lord that your submission to
him is perfect that Muslims are being
attacked then you defend them if you die
you're a martyr and it's called Shahid
also some people who are you know today
like I I said about your neck for other
than Allah some Muslims they think that
by making Islam look like it's
pacifist uh they they're doing something
good they're not and some of them say
Islam is only defensive it's not Islam
is also offensive if this nation can
start war against Nations all over the
world uh they call it preemptive attack
okay yeah if they can justify it and
claim that this is not violence and this
is not you know this is good if Islam
has the same concept so if somebody and
I have a chapter in my book preemptive
strikes because in Islam if the Islamic
State if you're the leader of the
Islamic State you hear about a country
that's preparing to attack Muslims you
have every right to preempt their attack
and attack them before they attack uh
they might come and say oh this proves
Islam violence is violent Islam's
violence that it is violent tell them
well if you can come on the media and
say well the Christian world is also uh
violent before attacking countries like
Iraq that never attacked the west or
America then if you think that's
righteous then how come it is bad or
evil when Islam is doing it you see the
hypocrisy this is why I wrote my book
because there's so much hypocrisy out
there they're accusing Islam of things
that they have far more worse far worse
in their books than we have but they
don't want to discuss the Bible they
just want to discuss Islam and me and
you now
that's what I wanted to uh address next
we're talking about the shik's uh book
Holy Wars crus and
Jihad and I want to get into this next
point about the Bible we discussed a
little bit and we'll get back to it
Jihad as from the Quran which is the
verbatim word of God and the Hadith
which uh from the last and final message
of the Prophet Muhammad who's been sent
to the whole of
mankind what does the Bible have to say
is there Jihad in the Bible
absolutely we'll be right back Islam
prohibits killing of innocent human
beings every day innocent human beings
are being killed in different parts of
the
world most religions condemn the killing
of innocent human beings but Islam goes
a step further and faith in the Glorious
Quran Surah al- MAA chapter number five
verse number 32 if anyone kills a human
being unless it be for murder or for
spreading corruption the land it would
be as if he has killed the whole of
humankind it does not stop here but
continues and if anyone save a single
human life it would be as if he has
saved the life of the entire
humankind remember please do not kill a
single innocent human being but rather
save the whole of humankind by Saving
human
lives human life is
precious have to say is there Jihad in
the Bible absolutely there is Jihad in
the Bible and Jihad by the way in in
Islam it's allowed permissible and
impermissible impermissible is when you
attack like non-combatants like I said
the Bible has the same uh it has edicts
about how to uh deal with enemies those
who are not Believers so Moses mam peace
be upon him when we believe in Moses as
we said it is reported that he's been
given different kinds of addicts to go
to towns and exterminate everyone Joshua
did the same this Prophet did the same
David killing people you know entire
towns and burning them down and all
these you have instructions in the Bible
about awful killing it is literally
called Jihad meaning what it's it's a
struggle okay uh because Jihad also
means struggle but this struggle is not
righteous as it is described in the
Bible First of all there is no way God
could have ordered Moses or any Prophet
to kill women and children children we
don't believe that and this is proof
that the Bible has been tempered with
secondly this Bible says that the
prophets received the orders and did
them they acted upon them so we have not
only the awful edict but how it was
practice put in practice by the prophets
which is not true as we said so but the
problem here the difference between the
Bible and the Old Testament in specific
and the Quran and and the Sunnah is that
we have a of organized rules on what to
do in which situation with the reference
from the Quran and Sunnah that goes with
it in the Bible is chaos you don't know
who's saying what about whom what to do
in which situation this is why you see
town after town after town Joshua
eliminating everybody he didn't leave
anyone that breathes alive as the Bible
says often and I have it in my book this
references so it's chaos there because
there is no restrictions there is no set
limits it's all about the children of
Israel being able to kill everybody who
went against them it's the Bible we're
talking about yeah yeah and in the Quran
and Sunnah but you have a set organized
rulings what to do in which situation
plus how it was put in practice like for
example there is war the disbelievers
came nonbelievers non-muslims they came
with their women and children you cannot
direct you're attacked at them why
because the prophet said it they don't
have this in the Bible in the Old
Testament in specific the New Testament
is mute it doesn't say anything about
the Old Testament uh you know the
Christians claim that Jesus is the one
responsible for revealing the old and
the New Testament okay he has nothing to
say in the New Testament according to
their records about the Old Testament
saying I'm sorry for what I ordered
before I changed my mind now there are
nothing there's absolutely nothing all
what we have is a statement similar to
what prophet Muhammad was being
criticized for for saying I was sent
with the sword this is a statement they
keep repeating okay he said it
definitely he said it and it has a
meaning anyway they say Jesus that that
he said and let me rephrase it he said
don't think I came to bring peace on
Earth I didn't come to bring peace but
to bring
Fire and Fire it is that's what the
Christians brought to the whole world
since then and these are the peoples who
Time After Time occupy other pe people's
lands kill entire nations you know drive
people away away from their hand lands
the Christians drove away I mean the
Europeans drove away the uh Jews from
Palestine 2,000 years ago to begin with
it's not us it's not the Palestinians
it's the Romans they kicked them out
yeah and they stayed somewhere for 2,000
years all of a sudden they came they
remember they have a land oh this is
ours now but it's not theirs because
they never owned it these ones here they
never owned it so now when we talk about
the Old Testament and the New Testament
there is chaos because there isn't no
set rules on what to do the New
Testament has nothing to say about the
Old Testament nothing that Jesus say
well now I'm a human I feel the pain I
feel your pain so I I'm eliminating all
these orders they stay in fact Jesus
says that this world will end will end
before the any even letter from the
words of God can end and therefore these
orders in the Old Testament they stand
but this is not the point if they say
Islam is violent because of this and
that I'll tell them Christianity and
Judaism are violent because of this and
that and this and that and this and that
and this and that that's what you cover
in your book yes yeah because I'm not
going to allow them to attack Islam
knowing what they have in their own
house if you have a house made of glass
you don't throw stones at passerbys do
you no tell us uh you mentioned the
sword can you go ahead and give us the
explanation of this saying yeah Prophet
Muhammad was sent with the sword just
before the last hour he was given
permission to fight it has to be in the
sake of Allah and that's what all what
he did also he was given permission to
collect booty from the war which whereas
the children of Israel were not plus
Islam has the right and the legislation
to preempt any treacherous attack that's
being planned By Any Nation anywhere if
they can plus Prophet Muhammad when he
said I was sent with the sword it means
what I am allowed to
fight and I am going to raise my sword
in defense of this religion of mine and
how did that translate in his practical
Sunnah some Nations fought he fought
them and for that he was sent with the
sword some Nations sought peace he gave
them peace some Nations sought promise
of protection he gave them protection so
he didn't deal with everybody with the
sword no he was sent with the sword
meaning he was sent with the
establishment that is called Jihad in
Islam which again is the self defense
mechanism that Muslims have not only
against the enemies but also against
their own Temptations and the devil and
all the trials of this life in your book
you also had written and if you can
elaborate on this that before any
preemptive strikes or any Jihad as far
as in the battlefield self-defense that
this has to be done with an Islamic
State can you go ahead into this a
little bit that's another thing you see
when when Prophet says I was sent with
the sword it means the leadership in
Islam is the one that the one that
establishes Jihad in fact the Muslim
umah which means Nation agrees that
those who establish the fighting the war
actual War are Muslim rulers and whether
the Muslim ruler is is practicing the
religion as he should or not we still
have to follow their lead when that is
established in Islam you cannot
establish a group an armed gang within a
state and act like you're in a state and
start making peace and war with the
world without permission from Muslim
rulers this is uh one of the things that
uh 9/11 started by such a group that
they go to a Muslim country ruled by
someone else they establish armed groups
and they start attacking and making
peace and War without uh any regard to
the nation they're living in as guests
or taking their permission you can't do
that first of all Jihad is an organized
effort for defense and for offense as I
explained yes it has to have an army
leadership and that's when Jihad would
most probably succeed why because you
have the effort concentrated in for
example the fighting Prophet Muhammad
sallallahu alaihi wasallam established a
state
armies leaders of armies and they didn't
go to fight without his permission
without him telling them to go and do
that in fact some of the armies he told
them go and fight oh I'm sorry go to
that area and after a day or two then
you open my letter to see the specific
commands and they would go and do that
but it was him who gave these
Commandments and this is why the Muslim
rulers I mean Muslim Scholars if you
read their books of before it's called
books of means minor aspects of the
religion you will find that Jihad is
established by the ruler you find it
repeated in almost every book of Islamic
I mean jurisprudence you find it there
because the ruler is the one who's
supposed to establish it not armed
groups not individuals you don't sit in
a corner somewhere and then have some
young men around you and say this and
that let's establish War and Peace uh
I'll give you an example some of those
groups almost led to a nuclear war
between India and
Pakistan and this is to me so terrible
why because of their ideas about Jihad
and whatever it is they would rather or
doesn't matter to them that millions of
Muslims would die on both sides because
remember India has 200 million Muslims
and Pakistan has about 150 million
Muslims they are both sides we don't
want them to fight we don't want because
they're going to use weapons of mass
destruction that would eliminate
millions of people for no reason they
would rather do that so that they can
justify their opinion there is a leader
there you cannot do that you cannot
establish War and Peace without having a
physical Authority on Earth being a head
of state or a state that makes this now
if an attack comes to a Muslim country
all of a sudden and the authority the
country the state you know is just
devastated there is no Authority anymore
people can establish in neighborhoods
you know some kind of Defense but it has
to be temporary as Imam Ahmed one of the
major Scholars of Islam it has to be
temporary until they get the leadership
back in line and then they start again
the you know uh the effort of jihad
under the leadership but in Islam Jihad
as a matter of warfare has to be done by
the Muslim
leader thank you for being with us we
are talking with shik Jalal Abu rub abub
Abu rub and we're discussing his book
Holy Wars Crusades and Jihad he's the
author publisher translator of over 40
books mashallah so we're coming to a
close just a couple more points tell us
for the confused Muslims confused
non-muslims where do they start now you
know we're talking about an issue Jihad
and we like to thank you for coming to
the source but how about those who are
confused by the media the negative
propaganda and some people who even like
twist in the truth what advice do we
give the people uh I what can I what can
I say more than that you have to seek
knowledge in the religion that you are
taken as an enemy or as a friend you
know I I've been studying Christianity
since I was young okay Arabic and
English years and years and years after
that I decided to talk about issues in
Christianity and Judaism but I go to the
references I don't come up with Concepts
from my own without you know going to
the resources and you know to make sure
that what I'm criticizing is found there
what I advise Muslims and non-muslims
alike is that read read ask Muslims
about Islam do not ask CNN about Islam
do not ask the evangelicals about Islam
why they're already taking sides I I
when you know I I was speaking to some
of the uh Christian audience before and
I said to them I've read about
Christianity extensively in Judaism I
had none of those media Outlets ever
contacting me to talk to them about
Christianity or Judaism why is it every
time somebody wants to talk about Islam
it has to be a Christian or a Jew or a
non-practicing Muslim who's a so-called
expert yes they're always experts can
you recite one aah verse from the Quran
Arabic they just come up and say Islam
this Islam and that and this Muslim
Society this and that and that and
history this and that no proof no
references nothing they can even read
the resources they're all in Arabic and
they can't understand the word that if
it is said to them or what it means it's
just awful yet you bring people who have
no clue what the religion is about that
you're attacking and they are the
experts you never bring me to talk about
my religion My Religion so my advice of
course is that ask Muslims about Islam
go to our references ask ask questions
like for example I mean I'm just one
person I established an effort on my
website uh www Islam life.com i s l m l
i f e Islam life.com I have lots of
articles there about Jihad about
refuting what people say about Islam and
also criticizing other religions because
if you want to hear it I'll put it for
you scientifically with the references
page number verse number that's what you
people should do ask Muslims about Islam
ask us about our religion do not come to
the media allow the media to deviate you
plus just like in your religion you have
people who don't have knowledge in your
religion who act in the name of your
religion and make mistakes and errors
and then you you come and tell us no we
don't cond condone this because our book
says this and that we have the same
problem here we have sects we have
groups we have deviant groups who are
claimed to be following Islam but they
don't and they have all kind of opinions
and ideas about the religion and if you
are confused just find out what the
resources say like for example question
does Islam condone killing women and
children no Muhammad said you can't then
the answer you got it now if somebody
whose name is Muhammad today is killing
women and children then he's not doing
it in the name of Islam uh asking and
learning education is the key you're not
going to bring somebody who's not well
well versed in chemistry to give you a
lecture about chemistry would you no
because you're not going to accept
anything they say why do you bring
Christians Jews Buddhist Hindus
non-practicing Muslims to talk about
Islam how are you going to reach
anything this way you're not going to
understand the religion you make Muslim
Muslims even more Furious you make your
own audience more Furious about Islam
because they're hearing misinformation
all the time and therefore it's
education I can't say more than that
plus if you know and you must know and
everybody knows you've been created by
someone who's waiting for you to go back
to them prepare an answer for your
hatred or misunderstanding of Islam
let's say not only hatred
misunderstanding of Islam prepare an
answer to go back to your lord and say I
didn't become a Muslim because of this
and that based on what on a Jew called
wolf who comes on CNN who used to work
for you know the Jewish organizations
here you think he's going to see
anything feir about Islam he's already
decided where he stands like I already
decided where I stand I'm a Muslim but
there is no way I'm going to come up
with a concept that's not found in
Christianity or Judaism and say this is
what they these people believe in unless
I have a reference you see the same
thing has to be done from their side
they have to listen to us we are not
going
away try to close your eyes and think us
away you know imagine that we are away
out out of your sight open your eyes
you're still going to find 1.2 to 1.5
billion Muslims tell us the people been
hearing Allah they've been hearing
Muhammad peace be upon them they've been
hearing Islam let's say they heard it
for the first time what are we inviting
to we're inviting them to the religion
of Allah to monotheism you see our
mission in life is not to kill people
our mission is to invite them to the
religion of monotheism that Muhammad
sallallahu alaihi wasallam came with to
reestablish the same religion that
Prophet Jesus came with Prophet Moses
before him Noah all the way to Adam so
every Prophet who came came with the
religion and this is the foundation of
the religion the branches is Islam the
fruit I mean the branches is Jihad the
fruit is Jihad talk about the tree trunk
itself if you don't believe in the tree
trunk what's the point of talking about
the leave and discussing it or arguing
about it if you don't believe in the
whole tree now our religion is based
oned means Allah's Islamic monism that
he's the only one who deserves to be
worshiped the only Creator everybody's
going back to him and he's going to ask
you about what you did in this life so
this is our mission to call people to
Islam to monotheism to the submission to
the will of God and if they accept it's
good for them in this life and the
Hereafter they become my brothers and
sisters if they don't they will have to
answer for the decision with their Lord
but our mission is not to kill them to
begin with we only do violence to those
who are doing violence to us and those
who attend intend to do violence to us
we do violence otherwise will be
eliminated and they would love that we
eliminate Jihad cuz it means that I'm
going to be just tying my hands I'm not
going to be defending myself every
anybody can come and kill me and that's
it so we call to monotheism to the
religion of prophet Muhammad the same
religion that Jesus came with and we are
like in a store we invite everybody to
come and buy from us if you have a store
and you kill every customer who comes in
you're not going to have much of a
business are you no
so your book now tell us where they can
get this Holy Wars Crusade Jihad
everybody should if they're really
inquisitive about this subject further
we covered and gave you just certain
highlights but you should get this book
if you want to know more Holy Wars
Crusades Jihad where can they get this
book you can go on to my website uh
Islam life.com and email me through
there I just have a few copies left of
these books so anyone those who come
first will be certified uh I'm working
on an eight book book series called the
prophet of Mercy each book in this
series has its own title uh one of those
eight books is the second edition of the
Holy Wars Crusade Jihad because I wrote
it before the war in Iraq and I would
have so much information to add so I'm
reorganizing the whole book I'm working
on it maybe soon in a few months I'll
have it out and it's going to be far
better more organized inshallah meaning
Allah willing uh than the first uh print
so um uh those who are interested in
this topic I'm going to add far more
topics plus doubts about Islam and Jihad
that came after I wrote the first book
you know this is just in 2002 so it's
been 6 years since then so much
information I want to add so be patient
until I'm done with the second uh
edition of the book and it is completely
redone different way and uh I know you
you like the book but I think you're
going to like the second edition even
far more inshallah and everyone who well
if CNN Fox News NBC The Glen black show
any of these people would like to bring
on someone to have a dialogue with
people of other faiths they can contact
you absolutely you're ready to
absolutely to attend huh yeah okay well
we like to thank you for attending our
show being with us on the dean
show and i' like to thank everybody for
coming to the source you heard it here
Jihad means to struggle to strive for
goodness for everything that's good on
the path of the creator of the heavens
and the Earth Islam is not about
terrorism or terrifying people or
killing men innocent men women and
children it's not about that all right
it's about surrender and submission to
the creator of the heavens and the Earth
and this is where you get that true
peace doing what your creator wants you
to do thank you again for coming to the
source to learn about Islam and Muslims
we'll see you again next time on the
dean show until then assalam alaykum
peace be unto you
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