He's sitting like he he has the copy of
the Quran. What's the context of that?
>> Massive hates of Islam being pushed by
all these right-wing influencers with I
want to apologize to Muslims. Did you
did you see that?
>> And so first I want to say just like to
all Muslims growing up during that time
in America, I am sorry on behalf of
America for the way that you were
treated.
>> Getting paid $7,000. Candace Owen, you
and her would be an amazing
conversation. Let me see if I can make
that happen. I actually think submission
to the will of God is a good thing.
>> I think submission to God is like the
whole point of life. But I didn't say
anything.
>> He's like Sharia. You know how that
laugh he does?
>> Yeah.
>> I don't know.
>> SORRY, SHARIA.
>> We're still trying to take the land in
the West Bank. And people some, you
know, your audience probably knows, but
>> Christian kingdoms hunted them like
animals. Muslim lands opened their gates
wide.
>> Black sheep because you're not going
with the with the herd. So then they
look at you like the odd one out.
>> I think Sean Strickland's he's tweeted
out enough public stuff. He's one guy
who keeps his word. He's loyal. Oh, he's
if I don't have any Muslim friends, I'd
probably hate you guys cuz the
propaganda is so strong.
>> Look, we don't have to compromise our
religion. You want to worship Jesus, you
want to believe in original sin. Go
ahead. That's it's that's the freedom.
Islam gives you that freedom, too. At
the end of the day,
>> people always tell me, "Oh, these
Muslims want to kill you." Where where
does that come from?
>> But now, not to transgress limits. All
right? You cannot go ahead and kill
innocent human beings in battle. This is
and that's not just a Muslim. That's
Israeli life. I tell you to kill
Christians. Show me where. Just where
where is it? And I go, "Wow, as
Americans or white people, white
Americans, we have lost these large
family units."
>> I met uh, you know, Patrick and David,
we we hung out. And
>> most are waking up. Originally, they
were all thinking I was crazy. Now most
are agreeing with me.
>> You don't come into Islam perfect. You
come into Islam the worst and it makes
you better. This is the the
>> no stranger to the Dean show, my brother
Jake Shields. How you doing, my friend?
>> Hey, man. Thanks for having me back. We
just finished. I just interviewed you
for my podcast and we're doing a second
one. Yeah. I did your podcast year a
year year and a half ago.
>> Yeah, sometime like that. Yeah.
>> Yeah. I had no idea how big your show
was. I thought it was this because I did
a jutsu seminar here and like I want to
do something upstairs and I had so many
people come up to me Muslims and be
like, "Oh, I loved you on the Dean
show." So,
>> congratulations on having a massive
show.
>> Thank you. Thank you very much, man.
Thank you. And you you really um
impressed. You had some good I was I was
watching uh Haras Sahabi.
>> He's great. Yeah, I've had some uh
>> my podcast has blown up quick. I've only
had it for a year fight back and it's
you know slightly over a year and great
growth. It's hard, you know, growing
content, but it's uh
>> I I want to and most I want to commend
you for being brave. You know, you have
a lot of people who who get in the
octagon and they'll fight, but you know,
when it comes to speaking truth, they're
cowards. And that that's what
differentiated Muhammad Ali. People
like, you know, pe people out there who
who would go against the odds. They
didn't care about getting cancelled cuz
they were up for a moral a moral stand
against certain evils that are
happening. And you're you're one of
those. You'll be remembered for The
truth is so important and I and
originally I had so many people trying
to talk me out of speaking up and stuff
but it was just so important and now we
have actually shifted the whole the
whole public opinion. We haven't like
actually stopped anything yet but
originally Israel was so popular in the
US and I was one of the very first large
accounts large uh non-Muslim accounts to
speak out against it and it did I think
I did make massive change. which I think
I helped quite a bit, you know, cuz
unfortunately it kind of had to have
some non-Muslims speaking up too cuz
before people would always be like, "Oh,
you're just Muslims. Why you support
Palestine?" But that's what I realized,
okay, I need I have a big following. I
need to go and expose what's going on
here. And you know, I did get death
threats. I had people going out for my
money. They they tried to destroy you.
>> You I want to make this point, this
caveat here. I don't you know, Islam
doesn't teach me to hate. You're here
visiting a you have a friend you're
visiting. Uh I have Israeli friends,
rabbis I've had on the program. So this
has nothing to do
>> I'm constantly called anti-semitic which
is false. I am very critical of Israel
and I think you know the fact that you
know a lot of
>> Jimmy Carter.
>> Yeah. So it's Jimmy Carter and I think
you know it's you know I think these are
terrible people. So yes there's some
terrible doing some terrible things but
I don't think all are and I think we
need more start speaking up against this
or people are going to start hating and
I don't want that. I don't want hatred
toward but I want to stop killing
Palestinians. stop manipulating my
government, etc.
>> Mhm. Uh we were talking about your
training with uh Khabib. You you you
were um you had some good training
moments with Khabib.
>> We used to be sparring partners. Yeah.
You huh?
>> Yeah. We we sparred a lot cuz I would go
down to um he was my primary sparring
partner. Nick and Adas were. But I would
go down to um American Kickboxing.
>> Yeah.
>> And we had such good sparring
>> that lot, you know, a lot of times
people don't want to sp the toughest
guy, but I would come in and be like,
"Oh, I want you." If it was a either 15
or 25 minutes, it would just be me and
him. Sometimes, you know, you trade out
sparring partners, but I think it's
great when you have two guys that are
just battling because it's like a real
fight. Then, you know, if I'm going to
25 minutes sparring session with Kabib,
you know, if one of us has won three or
four rounds, not a big deal, but let's
say we both know in you don't talk about
it, but you know, in your head you're
around a piece, that fifth round comes,
it's wartime. We're both thinking, we're
both and we're both competitive. So,
we'd be digging just some amazing
sparring. or I have someone on film, but
you can't really po post the old
sparring. But I have so much good
footage of the sparring, but it just
builds this brotherhood. Even though I
was never that close with him outside
the gym, he was still learning English.
I feel like we have this close
brotherhood bond still from that from
those tough sparring sessions.
>> So you guys outside the gym, you didn't
ever have
>> we went lunch and stuff together. We
hung out a little bit, but they had
their um dogone crew that was they were
really really tight. They have a really
strong brotherhood.
>> So it was like we were just like kind of
friends out there. But there is
something of a sparring partner that
builds you this like respect. And he did
something recently the show that always
still respects people. We get into that.
But it's just like, okay, these guys uh
>> there's this brotherhood, you know.
Unfortunately, he got in a fight with
Nate Diaz, which is like really my
brother, but I I would love to make
peace between them.
>> We got to do that. We got to make the
peace.
>> Yeah. I I think that could be done.
>> I think it could be done. I'll talk to,
you know, uh, you heard, you know,
Ryzswan, his other manager.
>> I'm not sure. I think it would be pretty
easy. You hook up Ali. Ali manages
Khabib.
>> So, we got to bring them together. Yeah,
we're going to bring we make the piece
connect.
>> You want to do that in private? Get them
somewhere. Let's make Let's make it
happen. Hhabib.
>> Yeah, I think I think we could just get
lunch together or something and laugh
about it and people would love that.
Maybe film it. How funny would that be?
Get Nate and Nate and obviously
privately not, but like later on have
them go do something together after
after we sit and make the piece
privately
>> and and just us talking about it. You'll
be surprised how things can just develop
and next thing you know
>> they're just both such good people.
There's no reason to fight each other.
Nate's one of my best friends. I would
have to do a little talking event some
but I'm sure Ali also could, you know,
talk to people like, "Hey, you guys are
both legends. Like, you're both great
people. Let's just go have lunch
together."
>> Yeah. Done. Let's make it happen.
>> What a great idea. You
>> tell me. Yeah. U tell me this. Um when
you saw the fight with uh what did you
think? Let's break that down a little
bit. You know, Islam right now. I mean,
who was the other guy that was fighting?
What's his name?
>> Jack. Um, I can't think of his last
name, but the guy was on a huge win
streak.
>> 18 18. Uh,
>> Islam had just moved up, weighed 215
lbs. I think he looked amazing. I don't
think it was one of his best fights.
Islam is a complete terror. You know, it
was,
>> you know, he wasn't going for that many
submissions or anything, but he was
fighting a tough bigger opponent and he
>> best boxer. They were saying he's the
best.
>> He's a really good striker. You know,
it's hard to say best or not, but he's a
really dangerous striker.
You know, I think Islam maybe could have
pushed a little more, but it was his
first time at that weight. And Islam's I
think him and Porier are the two best
pound-for-pound right now. Those guys
are just savages.
>> But I was uh I was like, what kind of
tricks he's going to have up his sleeve?
Because when he was coming out, I saw
Craig Jones.
>> Craig Jones phenomenal. But no, his just
has gotten better, but not at Islam's
level. Islam is just like I mean, he
doesn't do jiu-jitsu, but he does
>> he calls it sombo, but he mixes sombo,
wrestling, jiu-jitsu. They've all kind
of blended to one art right now.
>> But but no, he couldn't do nothing. So I
was thinking, okay, Craig Jones is
there. He's been coaching him. He's got
him in his camp. He's going to come up
with some What's that? What's that? The
boogie the boogie choke.
>> It's so hard to tap tap Islam. I trained
with him once. Like
>> you also trained with Islam?
>> I think I only trained with him one time
cuz Kabib brought him out and me and
Kabib would always train and I'm just
like, "Oh, this I didn't really It was
way before he was famous and I just
thought he was like some kind of not
nobody but but then I trained with him.
I'm like, "Oh, this guy's good." I'm
like, he was a little smaller at the
time and he's he's not as he's
definitely way better now than he was
back then, but even back then I was
like, "Oh, that guy's good. Kabib, who
is that?" And he's just like, "Oh, yeah,
very good. Very good. He's going to be
champion."
>> Yeah.
>> It was like this like 10 12 13 years
ago, maybe, you know, before he was in
the UFC.
>> Mhm.
>> So, so when you're watching the fight, I
mean, that that was I don't watch too
many fights, but uh this one I was uh I
watched it and then I saw Craig Jones
and I thought, "Okay, what what's he
going to pull up his sleeve?" But and
then I watched another fight with this
uh the guy he was fighting and nobody
can really keep him down on the ground,
but he's good at getting up. He he's
really good at getting up.
>> He doesn't break mentally either. A lot
of guys are break mentally, but he never
breaks mentally, but Islam was just too
much.
>> He did beat um Bal Muhammad though in a
close fight.
>> Uhhuh.
>> That was uh you know, I'm friends with
Blah. I was rooting for Bal, but he uh
won that.
>> Was Balo able to keep him down?
>> No, I don't think so.
>> Not really. And he he didn't get very
many takedowns. I think Blow made a
mistake of trying to box with him too
much.
>> He was trying to like show his striking
and I think he got like stung a hurt
couple. It was still a close fight in my
opinion. It could have gone either way.
But um
>> how how for people that know those uh
the calf kicks that he started with
>> the calf kicks are that's a very
interesting questioning actually cuz the
calf kicks MMA hasn't evolved that much
since I retired. But that is the one
thing no one was throwing calf kicks
when I was fighting and now they throw
them like crazy. So it totally changes
the game. So, it's like I've never been
kicked in the calf hard.
>> Yeah.
>> I've never had anyone kick me in the
calf hard. Now, it's like the primary
kick
>> cuz Joe Rogan kept talking about like
how how damaged his his leg was right
from those.
>> I think it was a little bit It's hard to
It's hardly hard to tell, you know, and
a lot of times the pain comes the next
day.
>> The takedowns that he got were just very
easy. He
>> beautiful double beautiful.
>> No sprawl, nothing. He just
>> he just blasted it. Yeah, he's a phenom
on the ground. He's like truly uh truly
great great wrestler and uh I shouldn't
call it jiu-jitsu because he doesn't but
he uses lots of jiu-jitsu. He calls it
sombo so I should I should respect him
and call it sombo. He's he's blended
them though.
>> Yeah. So um we were supposed to actually
um we talked we touched upon this but uh
how's Dan Bazerian doing?
>> Dan's Dan's a he I don't know why he has
better. He is such a one of the most
honorable people I know. Such like a
good person. Look how much he's risked
too to make. I was looking forward to
seeing you guys. Uh I was talking to
Hassan. He was with you, right, Hassan?
And then we were I was planning to have
I had Sneo with me and we were there in
Bosnia and had everything set up when
you guys
>> I really wish we' have came by. Next
time we talked earlier there we didn't
we didn't know what what the situ Sneo
didn't do a very good job of explaining
what was going on. So I should have
talked to you and we came by cuz we were
in France and we ended up going to
Romania to meet up with the Tape
brothers after that and then he went to
Qar but I skipped that.
>> You guys went to Romania also. How how
was that? You got to see
>> that was great. You know, that was the T
brothers were amazing. They show uh even
the first night they didn't go out, but
Tristan's like, "Oh, someone's going to
pick you up."
>> You know, they bring bottles everywhere,
everything. I went to go pay like, "No,
no, Tristan has everything covered."
Like amazing hospitality. They went hung
out with um hung out with them for a
couple nights and then took off.
>> Yeah. So,
>> really good people. I think they said
outrageous things to get clicks, but
they're like good-hearted people.
>> Like gave big money to my friend's
charity, like I think a couple hundred
thousand dollars and didn't even like
mention it. like crazy stuff like that,
you know, like so I see it's they're not
fakey when they say they share the
money. I literally saw him give a couple
hundred thousand dollars to one of my
friends for I think it was for orphans
>> Palestinians or maybe just orphans all
over.
>> Mhm. So we'll put that down and to next
time hopefully um we can have you in
Bosnia cuz you never been there and it's
really close to to France right there in
Europe. I think it's probably an hour
flight or something like that. I've
traveled a lot, but never been to
Bosnia. And it's it's always better to
travel when you know people like it's
like
>> that's what we weren't for for the Sneo
didn't explain the uh
>> He loves loves Bosnia. He loves Bosnia.
>> He did tell us to come though, so it's
not his fault.
>> Yeah. Uh I I I think he don't he don't
want too many people to know about it,
>> right? We should have came.
>> Yeah. But uh tell me so what's the story
behind we we saw with Dan people really
u it went viral him reading the Quran
he's sitting like he has the copy of the
Quran what's the context of that do you
know
>> um I think Assan gave us some copies of
it and we both just been kind of looking
into the religion a little bit I think
both of us can relate a lot to it
neither one of us are Muslims but we
find a lot that we relate to in Islam
>> I think this is more more of a reason
now for for the brothers is Islam Khabib
maybe to also invite you to Dagistan.
>> Have you been to Destan?
>> No, I've never I would go. You know, I
probably wouldn't go to Chetchna now
after having uh some problems with some
uh some Chetchin people. Well, in our
last podcast, we were talking about how
there's, you know, good Muslims and bad
Musl like of like of every faith, you
know. I ran into some Cheschians that
weren't the nicest people. And then I
said some things and then I had some
chesians write me and be like, "Brother,
there's so many great Cheschnians. Why
would you?" I'm like, "You know what? I
apologize. is I just I guess cuz a
couple cheshians
>> I dealt with weren't the best people.
>> I shouldn't have blamed it on all
cheshians.
>> Have you met Hamza Chamai?
>> Yeah, you met not the biggest fan. We've
had some issues.
>> Oh, okay. We got to make some peace
there too now. We got Is that a
redeemable?
>> I I would I I would I would make peace
with them, you know. I think it's I
think part of the problem me and me and
Nate Diaz got booked to do a reality
show. It was so last minute in Thailand.
It was a Russian reality show we hear
and they were paying good money. I
figure, oh, probably Russian mob or
something. We don't, but it was like two
days. So, we get our stuff together, fly
out there, we show up, we walk in, it's
all Chetchines and Dagastanis. And then
we both had issues with um Hamza. And
then I'm friends with Kabib, but Nate
had problems with him. We walk in, we're
like, "Oh man, this is a setup."
>> And it was bad right from the beginning.
Multiple fights breaking out. We ended
up leaving the first day of filming.
>> I I didn't expect this. Now, I didn't
know. I had no idea about it. Wild.
>> I I know. But now I'm thinking again, we
just talked about, you know, um the uh
being peacemakers for this. How do we
make this now? We we actually had Hamza
Chama. He was training at my cousin's uh
school here, his training.
>> I'd be I'd be willing to talk to him.
It's just, you know, cuz I've talked
crap about him before. Talk crap to him.
So is Nate. But like I'm willing, you
know, if someone says he's a good person
and vouches for it, and if he's willing
to want to sit and have a conversation,
I would 100% do it.
>> There we go. You see,
>> he might be like, "Oh, I hate Jake." And
I don't know, you know, I don't know.
I'm Zad. We got to make this happen,
huh? Yeah.
>> And it's not been that bad since he was
talking crap with um Paulo Costa. I was
at Paulo training with the gym and it
was like him and like 10 people. So, I'm
like, well, the first time training with
Apollo was the funny part, but it's
like, well, he you're here alone, bro.
So, I'm ready to throw down with you.
So, we were going to throw down that
with Chamaya cuz he was talking to
Apollo, but there was a bunch of them.
So, I'm like, all right, I got I got
your back, Paulo. First time meeting
him. Paulo respected that. He's just
like, "Brother, thank you so much for uh
>> you know, I'm not going to let a guy get
like I don't know if they're in a drop
off. There was like 10 of them, so I'm
like, "All right, let's throw down." But
then it ended up getting broken up.
>> Yeah. Wow.
>> And then Nate got into like a brawl
backstage with him at the UFC.
>> What happened with uh with this uh Dylan
Danis after the fight?
>> I don't even know. He's just such a
clown. Anytime Dylan gets beat up is a
great thing. Like after the Kabib when
he beat Connor, you know, it was Dylan
he was going after when he jumped over
the um the cage for the flying knee.
>> Dylan is just disrespectful. I can't
remember what he said, but he said some
like really bad things about um you
don't talk about someone's family and
stuff and he disrespected um his family.
I mean, he's he was a good person. Like
I said, it's not like we're the closest,
but like I know he's a good person.
>> So to disrespect his family, he's not
okay with that.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Just going overboard. Yeah.
>> And Dylan does that. He just says like
things like way way beyond like, you
know, he he used to be a really good
grappler, but then he fell off. I made a
grappling match with him. I beat him,
but he was good when I went against him.
>> You fought Dylan also? Yeah.
>> Grappling just jiu-jitsu. Yeah. But I
beat him, but he was really good at the
time I went against him. But now he's
just all he does is just try to get
hype.
>> Uhhuh. I last time I saw him fight was
that uh Logan Paul. Was it? No,
>> that was boxing though. He's not a good
boxer. He was
>> That made That was such a lame fight.
Why would you take a world champion
jitsu guy and box him? He's done no
boxing. But he won he won I think
world's blue belt, purple belt, brown
belt, and I don't think he won his black
belt, but he was like really good for a
while.
>> Mhm.
>> Wow.
>> But he just fell into ego and trying to
be famous and like turned into a
complete clown.
Tell me uh shifting over here to um your
uh when when people would um on one end
you had Muslims who were you know really
you know commending you for you know
speaking out you get a lot of hate on
the other side people I
>> I saw some some Israeli guys calling you
out to fight
>> that they they backed out when the
fights actually come together no Israeli
guys going to fight me no I get like
yeah death threats they wrote my name on
bombs that I paid for my money in person
only one time a guy came up talking crap
at the airport and then I pulled out my
phone and started filming him back and
went really viral. I might have gone a
little too extreme. I really went off on
this guy, some guy cuz he walked by with
his phone out and been like, "How's it
feel to be the biggest scumbag
anti-semite in the world?" And I'm just
like, "Oh, I went after that dude." Just
like it's one of those videos that went
like insanely viral cuz I just went off
on I'm like
>> just saying I'm sick of these people
like yeah know I don't hate but I hate
these parasites. I don't want my tax
dollars to be done to like kill, maim,
slaughter civilians. And you know what
they've done in Palestine is just pure
evil. And it's like people not speaking
up about it pissed me off. They need to
stop being cowards. People finally are
speaking up. And I'm also really angry
that my government supports this. This
wouldn't be possible without my tax
dollars. Like our representatives
support this country and that that's the
only reason we have conflict with places
in the Middle East. We were America was
extremely popular in these countries
before Israel.
But, you know, doing this, it's uh it's
rightfully, you know, made I could
understand why some people live in these
countries weren't like America because
we're funding Israel to go and slaughter
and kill Palestinians. We invaded Iraq.
You know, we were constantly, you know,
Afghanistan. We're causing all these
wars, but in my opinion, lots of these
wars are being orchestrated from Israel.
>> I mean, you've you've really I mean,
would you consider yourself a critical
thinker? Yeah, I always think
independently like so every issue if
you're 100% in line with the party,
you're not a critical thinker. I think
most people aren't though, which is why
I started speaking up, I realized like,
oh, it's only a small amount of people
that are really setting the narrative
that everyone else follows. And that's
what you know, like on Twitter, me, Dan
Blazer, and a few other guys went and
helped change the whole narrative.
>> Huge impact, right?
>> No, you people tell me you can't make a
difference. And like that's that's
complete cowardly way of thinking. Like
I'm sure your show has had massive
influence as well. Like you can make
massive influence cuz you you can you
can get people following it and they
tell their friends. It's only a few
people that are shift the shift whole
narratives. Before it's always been the
media, but we can be the media now.
>> Mhm. Yeah. Absolutely. What do you think
uh what's happening now? This attack on
Tucker Carlson.
>> Very orchestrated. my whole timeline was
him being attacked because Tucker, he's
for a long time he's been my favorite
journalist and he's just crushing it on
the um ballast Israel stuff now and he's
he's going hard. I think he was um he
was definitely a little scared
initially. You had some private
conversations with him and he was you
know he was telling me I'm proud of what
you're doing but I could tell but he
goes be very careful.
>> Wow. That made me be like, "Oh man, he
knows this is like he seemed like very
concerned for me." And that made me a
little concerned, but I'm like, you
know, we're we're all going to die. You
know, I've come to terms with God. So,
it's like, you know, that's all you got
to do. I'm not going to live my life as
a coward. We need to stand up and quit
being bullied and and and make actual
change. You know, I'm trying to figure
out what the next steps are now cuz
we're we haven't won, but we're winning
the information war. That's despite
being up against a multi-billion dollar
media machine, guys like us with
podcasts and Twitter and stuff are are
winning the information war. That's
crazy. It shows people don't trust the
media anymore.
>> Mhm. And I mean, what what do you think
with someone I mean, Tucker from going
from being the golden boy of Fox News to
to really um being such a he's such a
huge huge following and he's risking a
lot. You can see he's he's looking for
the truth and he finds it and he's just
letting that's all he wants to do. He's
getting
>> I think Tucker has spent his entire life
being a propaganda the name for the
machine. Then he had that realization. I
think he was disgusted with himself and
like ashamed of what he had done and I
think he's trying to make right. And I
think he did have a little fear cuz I
think he actually knows what's going on.
He knows deep what's going on. He's I
think his dad was he was in that world
but he's decided you know what I need to
do what's right with God and spread the
truth. and he's going he's going hard
now making things like you know 9/11
questioning that like all things which
are true in my opinion there's massive
amounts of evidence but he's got the
balls and he's has a huge following too
>> are are you seeing
because uh I I I think it's a different
world people you think it's just on X
>> No people are coming from you all the
time in person now
>> huh
>> people come to me constantly in person
like all over the streets people come to
me all the time want to talk about it's
not just on people think it is. It's
not.
>> How about How about the uh the um the
propaganda, the push to, you know, this
demonization of Muslims, of Islam, you
know, I'm seeing people in my timeline
that, you know, I'm not even subscribed
to and they're just popping up. I don't
know these bots or what is it huge?
Yeah, obviously that's been going on for
a long time, but in the last few months,
it's just majorly attempt majorly jumped
in my timeline that has to be
orchestrated because there's this
massive hates of Islam being pushed by
all these right-wing influencers, which
>> to me is terrible. I'm one of the few
guys, which I'm cons I think the right
left paradigm is kind of dumb, but I'm
considered right right, but I'm
pro-Islam. Like me and Dan Blazerian are
two of the I think there's a few more,
but we're pro-Islam guys in the right.
And there's all these guys pushing hate,
and I don't know. I think it's
orchestrated because they want people to
be like Islam's bad therefore Israel
must be good.
>> Mhm.
>> And and uh and I want to I just for the
people when you say Islam is I always I
always define words. When you say
pro-Islam it means pro-submission to the
will of God. That's all it means. Islam
means submission to the will of God.
That's it. So
>> no. Yeah. Exactly. I think that's
there's so many similarities between
Christianity and Islam. That's why I
tried telling my friends like you guys
both love and adore Jesus Christ. What
is this other
>> pro we're pro Christ. We believe Christ
will be king when he return. You know,
Christ is king. We believe he'll be the
king. He'll be he'll be the ruler in
charge when he returns. Like we said,
we're pro Christ, pro- Messiah. We we
believe in him. We love him. And uh we I
think this is orchestrated to divide
Christians and Muslims and to get um to
demonize Muslims, to make them look
barbaric, like they're univil, you know,
they're coming to to to they hate our
way of life. So they want
>> they hate our way of life. So they want
to take over and they're going to be
doing this that. There's that crazy
lady.
>> People always tell me these these they
want to these Muslims want to kill you.
It's like okay. I get along with them
pretty well. I've been to their
countries. I don't think you want to
kill me right now.
>> How about that? Yeah. You see these
people like there's this lady running
for for office. She's burning the Quran.
She's like, you know,
>> imagine if people did this with
and the thing some of these people say
are sick. Like full genocide of like the
Palestinians. They say, imagine talking
about killing a kid. Like that's just
the most I mean you first you can ban
that guy out of your house but it's also
evil any child you know a child is
innocent and pure which you said
something really interesting your last
podcast the um with the Christian I
never even thought about this of the
Christianity how the original sin
>> I don't think a child's born with sin a
child's born like innocent and pure I
don't want to I don't mean to disrespect
Christianity by saying that but it's
just like um there's nothing more pure
and innocent than a child which is why
the worst thing you can do is hurt a
Yeah, that's we were talking about the
uh the belief, you know, in Islam that
we believe in original goodness that
everyone is born good from the get-go.
Now, when you get to a certain age, now
you go ahead and and you'll do something
that you're not supposed to be doing, a
sin or whatnot, and then that's marked
against you. But if you turn to the
creator and for ask forgiveness, he
forgives. But no one's born with now
because Adam, he sinned and now now you
carry that stain as a child.
>> No, that's not um something that we
believe. uh in and that's not from God.
>> Yeah. Even if you have bad parents, you
don't carry their sins. Like you can't
help who you're born into.
>> It's like example if if somebody for
instance from let's say your great
greatgrandfather committed a crime. Just
just an example. And now you cuz what
your great great-grandfather did, you
got a a felony on your record and you
got to like expunge for it and now you
got to go ahead and believe that someone
died for your sins to expune that
record.
>> Yeah. That's crazy. It's like like North
Korea sometimes will punish like whole
families for something do like you know
that's
>> like like to me I think yeah child child
clearly is born pure and innocent.
>> Yeah that's that's what we're touching
upon that's um that's uh very common
sense it goes with our nature you know
as humanity
>> I never even thought about the idea
original sin that that that's what that
means
>> and I have you know I I love Christians
and ton of respect for Christianity too.
I'm not like trying to disrespect the
religion in any way, but that's a
strange concept of trying to say a child
is born with sin.
>> Mhm.
>> Have you had a chance to interview
Candace Owens?
>> No, but I've been talking to her a
little bit like on XDMER. So, I think uh
I I'll try to invite her on my show. I
know she's so busy, but I think she
might do it next time I'm in um
Nashville.
>> I think if we break through this, I
think I just interviewed a public uh
Republican um uh politician. He was
running for Senate. Uh Bruce Fenton, I
believe. M
>> so I when I was trying to get Christians
on the program to discuss to talk I felt
many are hesitant they're scared you
know with the public the media
>> I can tell you in Canada that would be
amazing
>> if you can make that
>> amarian's a lot closer to her than I am
but that would be an amazing I want to
talk to her too but you are completely
different discussion so I think
>> because her like when she goes she did
an interview she said look I feel so bad
I want to I I I feel bad that we blamed
Muslims all these years and I want to
apologize to Muslims did you did you see
that
>> and so first I want to say Like to all
Muslims growing up during that time in
America, I am sorry on behalf of America
for the way that you were treated for
911. I think about it now. The
propaganda to make me afraid of Muslims.
I can't even imagine being a Muslim
growing up after 911 in America. I know
how I felt about them and I was I was
young. I was 11 years old. But that
beating every day in our heads that
every Muslim was a terrorist was the
idea that you got
>> I make jokes about it, but like you
don't understand like I had to shave my
face to go to airports. My mom would
make me shave my face like at school
like I was so young. This is actually
fun. I had a mustache in like the fourth
grade and my mom made me ner cuz she was
like you got to like cuz it was really
really bad cuz whatever your like the
household would say the kids have no
filter. So they would just say whatever
they wanted to me. But at a young age,
>> I realized that I myself as a Middle
Eastern was racist, too. I was like,
"Oh, it's not us. It's them." And so I
would point my finger out of fear. I'm
like, "No, no, they did it." But then I
went to um uh what country did I just go
to? Sorry. Um I went to Saudi Arabia and
I don't think I've ever been to a
country that was more hospitable to me.
The the love that I got, the respect
that I got. I literally sat back and I
hung myself out to dry on a podcast. I
go, "Wow, I was brainwashed. I was so
scared. I didn't bring her."
>> Yeah. Yeah. Same. And and so first I
want to say just like to all Muslims
growing up during that time in America,
I am sorry on behalf of America for the
way that you were treated. that it is so
unacceptable when I go back and I
reexamine that propaganda that
brainwashing that took place in the
classroom to make me scared of someone.
I didn't even know what a Muslim was. I
remember going to the airport and
someone was a Hindu and I was scared of
them. Oh my god, I got to get take this
off. I thought that was a Muslim, right?
There was no education about anything.
And the reason for that, you know, he
who controls the textbooks controls the
entire country in my view, right? It was
because everything that we did
responding to 911 should be assessed as
whether or not they were crimes against
humanity. We bombed a million Iraqi
civilians. We killed a million Iraqis.
What were we doing in Iraq? The Saudis
were undertake. They just said there's
weapons of mass destruction and then
they never found them. But they in the
process they killed a million Iraqi
civilians, right? And we it made us
think it's okay to just keep bombing
Muslims. That that was the purpose to me
of that educational propaganda and
brainwashing is that we we feel nothing
for Muslims if they die.
>> I didn't see that. But no, I think she's
openminded. So I think you and her would
be an amazing conversation. Let me see
if I can make that happen.
>> I'm not close to her, but Dan Dan's
fairly close to her and I'm really close
to Dan.
>> Yeah, I I'd love to talk to Dan. I would
be amazing. Talk to him, too.
>> Yeah, Dan turns down most interviews,
but he might with you when he wants to
talk about things that are different
because everyone asks him the same
questions all the time. But like um you
might have to come to Vegas for that
though.
>> We'll see. We'll see.
>> That's the only problem. It's hard to
get Dan to travel.
>> And then and then Tucker Tucker also he
was um if you see him he was like I
actually think submission to the will of
God is a good thing.
>> He's like you know what Islam means?
Submission
and like let it hang in the air. Like
that was self-evidently disgusting. And
I was like I kind of think submission to
God is like the whole point of life. But
I didn't say anything. I was like I'm I
don't think I'm against that actually.
anyone who submits to God like I'm just
for that.
>> He's that's actually Islam. And then he
talked about, you know, uh paraphrasing
what he was talking about Tucker, he was
somebody he's like Sharia, you know how
that laugh he does?
>> Yeah.
>> Sorry.
>> Did you hear him talk about I haven't
heard that. like look at New York and
look and he's talking about all these
different cities that all the crime and
everything he and then he says something
of like should he be good here like
something like that you know.
>> Yeah. I lived in San Francisco for a
while and I started thinking like hm
maybe um some maybe we do need some more
serious laws.
>> Yeah.
>> Maybe you should just stop stealing.
>> Uhhuh. Yeah. You see what's happening.
You know people running in breaking the
you know the jewelry boxes taking all
this stuff. And
>> when you live in these places and your
home gets just you have to leave because
your home city gets run down. It's like,
okay, we need we need a little bit of
Sharia.
>> Yeah. But no Muslim. I mean, this is
another, you know, false uh thing that's
being put out there. Muslims are trying
to change the constitution. This is all
baloney. This is all lies, you know. Uh
Sharia is actually already here.
Praying. You just saw us pray. That's
that's we're implementing God's law,
praying. Uh uh family, you know, uh
that's Sharia. You know, feeding the
poor, that's that's Sharia. But people
take the penal code and they want to go
ahead and now make that that's like the
laws there for criminals and then it's
just like what I give you the example
the the aliens coming down and they want
to know about constitution and then you
you tell them about the electric chair
the lethal ejection send them on their
way and that and but you didn't teach
them all the other good things and the
reason why they get these things because
they did something really bad.
>> Exactly.
>> Sometimes you know there needs to be
punishment versus really bad things. If
someone harms a child they should be
taken care of
>> there. Yeah. And then many of these
things are actually in the Old
Testament. These law many of them are
there also. So it's like um people need
to get educated and that's why it's
important that people like Candace Owens
and Tucker Carlson and people who now
are are going outside of the narrative
and they're realizing okay we've been
lying and propagating the lies and now
they're propagating truth. I think this
is a component also to connect with
Muslims to talk.
>> We need a brotherhood between Islam and
Christianity. Obviously, they're not
going to be the same religion. They're
going to have their differences, but
they shouldn't be enemies.
>> Look, we don't have to compromise our
religion. You want to worship Jesus, you
want to believe in original sin, go
ahead. That's it's that's the freedom.
Islam gives you that freedom, too. At
the end of the day, Islam safeguards the
Christians, their religion is
safeguarded. Like in a Muslim majority
uh country like say Jerusalem at the
time when Muslims ruled or in Spain for
700 800 years, you know, Muslims ruled.
This was the golden age for the Jews.
Christians also people actually flew to
Muslim lands to learn Arabic to just
like now people learn English that was
the same thing at that time. So now um
but there was rights they were people
who were they were protected to go ahead
and to pray to have their churches to do
what they're doing. You know in Bosnia
you had um the war the genocide that
happened there you had churches after
the war that you know remained.
>> Yeah.
>> But the mosque 600 of them were were
were destroyed.
>> Yeah. Well people say the um oh we need
the to protect the holy land. Who
protected it before they were there in
1849? those Muslims kept it safe
forever.
>> Exactly. Yeah. I think uh I think what's
his name? Uh Far Zabi. He really did a
great job going in and explaining
>> Far Fro is a great great guest. You
know,
>> people always tell me, "Oh, these
Muslims want to kill you." Where where
does that come from? Like I've been to
these Muslim countries and I was treated
amazing. No one tried to kill me. Like
where does that myth come from? I mean
obviously maybe there's some crazy
Muslims that like
>> so what they'll what they'll do is
they'll they'll open up certain passages
from the Quran
>> and there are passages that are in a
context of battle right during the time
when the pagans were fighting with the
Muslims and God had given permission to
fight but now not to transgress limits.
All right. You cannot go ahead and kill
innocent human beings in battle. This is
clear. Prophet Muhammad when he sent out
his general
>> he said do not he gave instructions like
the you know before the Geneva
Convention you had these world rules of
engagement do whatever
>> you cannot uh attack places of worship
kill innocent children um non-combatants
innocent had all these rules
>> that's is from God coming this is like
not him making it up but this is in in
the Quran there's a chapter 5:32 it says
killing one innocent being is as you
kill the world saving one innocent life
is if you save the world.
>> Yeah.
>> Think about that. Interesting, right?
And that's not just a Muslim, that's a
Israeli life, a life. You save an
innocent. Let's say you have two a
Palestinian, you know, and a and they're
fighting. You cannot go and I hear some
of these rabbis talking about taking out
kids that they think they're going to.
You've seen that, right?
>> But the point is right here that Hashem
say, do not have mercy on the children,
all their children also. Why? There's no
difference between them and their
children. In 10 years from now, these
children will attack you on the way.
>> Oh, I've seen a lot of these videos. I
had a guest on the other day saying
like, "Oh, these they're not taught to
hate." But there's little videos of
little kids saying, you know, death to
the, you know, death to the
Palestinians, wanting full genocide. And
you can't really blame the kid for that.
It's the parents and people teaching
them because they're just children
getting this put in their head.
>> But you can't in Islam, you cannot do
that. This is very, you know, so um when
people now they attack you, uh oh,
you're sit with a Muslim and they tell
you to kill Christians. Show me where
just where where is it?
>> Yeah. It's crazy how much like like you
mentioned earlier, there's been a
massive push of propaganda. I think it's
because they realize they're starting to
lose information war. So now they're
trying to push this hate towards Muslims
again, which has been happening for a
while. You know, when I was young after
911 before, I didn't really know any
Muslims. So, and I wasn't like terribly
racist against them or or biased, I
guess, but I figured, oh, you know,
they're they're a little bit off. But,
then I met a couple Muslim friends, and
they were just such good people. They
would go out of their way to help me.
Then I also noticed they had they did
better job of keeping like large family
units, doing family meetings, all their
cousins, and I go, "Wow, as Americans or
white people, white Americans, we have
lost these large family units."
>> Yeah. And then people would think the
propaganda got just so insane that
people who who would go over say I'm
going to Morocco or I'm going to uh
Egypt or I'm going to you know uh Muslim
majority Saudi Arabia and then people
would would hear from others say don't
go there. They're going to chop your
head off. They're going to like
>> as crazy as when I was in Israel trying
to go to Egypt and they they same thing
don't go don't go. But then you know I
was in Morocco not long ago traveled.
>> You've been in Morocco also?
>> I was in Morocco training some fighters
for the king of Morocco. Literally met
the king of Morocco. met the king of
Morocco. Yeah, he seemed like a super
cool guy. I didn't hang out with him for
long, but he treated me great. It was
such an amazing experience getting lived
such a crazy life through fighting.
Like, who would think, you know, poor
kid drove a trailer that I'm hanging out
with the king of Morocco.
>> So, if Muslims are reading a book that's
saying kill Christians, non-Muslims,
>> you would have killed me right there.
>> I mean, come on, man.
>> Well, for a couple days, I traveled
around Morocco by myself cuz I wanted to
travel around. I was meeting.
>> Did you feel threatened at all?
>> Well, it was peak of co so there was no
white people there, so everyone was
curious.
>> Was like the only way. So they were all
curious my story. People were inviting
me to their homes for tea and it was it
was amazing just because of everyone, oh
what are you doing here? And people just
treated me so good. It's like they're
not trying to kill me. They like they're
curious my story. Same thing traveling
through Turkey, you know, been to like
Abu Dhabi.
>> But but they hate your way of life.
>> They didn't they they were curious about
my way of life. That's why I don't
understand how this propaganda works.
>> That's the Zionist hate machine. That's
what it is. I've had people Christians
on. I have u recently Dr. Jones they
talk about this. This is systematically
set up. There's billions being spent to
go ahead and to create this rift
billions
>> rift between Muslims and Christians so
they can get sympathy from the American
public so they can get funded to go
ahead and throw the bombs on the
churches and the mosques over there in
Gazlam.
>> Yeah,
>> it's sad how well it's worked, but I
think it's I think we are making a big
difference in the media war. It's like
you can I can feel the change as someone
you know who uses my real name and I'm
constantly very social now. are
constantly coming up to me now thanking
me and asking me questions. I have
friends, a lot of famous friends texting
me asking questions. Now I think too
like a lot of people that people know
me, they trust me. They know I'm like
not a crazy person. So first start
talking you get guys like Chuck Liddell,
these type of guys like asking questions
like, "Oh, why are you saying this? I'm
curious." He's, you know, some guys like
that have fell into the the um I don't
like the left and Tifa. They support
Palestine, therefore they must be wrong.
And it's like, no, just it's true. Those
guys can be idiots, but they're still
right about this instance.
>> Mhm. How about the people like you
recently saw the interview with the what
is it? The Neilk boys.
>> Oh god. They got Yeah, they didn't watch
it, but they interviewed um Benjamin
Nanyahu softball. He He's wanted an
international warrants for arrest crimes
and they gave him a softball interview,
but you know what? The backlash was so
heavy they brought Nick Wentz on and
they tried to bring in Dan Blazerian on
to like It's like the opposite. You used
to have to go to a rabbi and apologize,
but they like messed up so bad they had
to go like apologize.
>> Mhm. How did Did you meet them? You know
them personally?
>> I I met them but don't know them well.
>> But that would be good for them to have
you on to discuss this also. All right.
>> Yeah. No, I you know that's actually a
good idea. They're not really like um
>> But what do you think they got? I mean
why why um so they you said a softball
interview. So they brought How was How
was this person? I see him on PBD
podcast. He was on there.
>> Was he on there too? I don't watch that.
Yeah.
>> Yeah. And he was he started making
rounds on.
>> Did he give a softball interview or did
he ask him harder questions? Oh, that's
disappointing.
>> Yeah. Very soft.
>> Yeah. Patrick David, he came out to
interview Dan Blazerian.
>> Yeah.
>> And he was being all friendly, kind of
acting like he agreed. And then the
interview kind of like switched up how
he was acting. And I think that kind of
uh you could see Dan just like changed
right away when he starts asking about
Israel.
>> Yeah. you know, I I I was really I don't
know if it's just I my naive side or
something because I I met uh you know,
Patrick and David, we we hung out and
and I was really looking forward to in
the beginning before was happening in uh
it's an interesting story before was
happening you know in Gaza Palestine
they were really commending Muslims for
really stepping up and being like the
last front against the sexualization of
ch the children of you know Muslims were
protesting thing and they were
commending Muslims And they were like
Patrick and David was talking about how
we got to work together with Muslims.
All of that changed now. Now he brought
out one of the biggest Islam haters and
and I thought he was going to use me as
a resource. I said, "Look at me as a
Muslim friend. I'm here, you know, we
can we can set up dialogues and talks
and we can do something positive, you
know, but it seems like um you know, I'm
very disappointed the way
>> he's been disappointing, you know, and I
don't hate the guy because he he does
talk to controversial people, but he's
been a little a lot of people have been
disappointing, which is why I started my
own podcast. I've been disappointed in a
lot of these podcasts. So, I'm like, you
know, then then I why not start my own?
>> Yeah, that's that's that's uh
>> like I could sit there and [\h__\h] and cry
about it or I could try to make change.
>> Yeah, that's uh very very important,
man. That um
>> Yeah, but so many guys have been so
disappointed. You realize people are
just so scared cuz well, they do control
most, you know, all the money.
Influencers getting paid $7,000 per
tweet to be pro Israel. That's a lot of
money. You know, 10 tweets, that's
$70,000.
>> Mhm. That's like, you know, 70,000 a
month these guys are making.
>> How is it when you when you talk to
people, let's say some of the people
that you've known, UFC fighters and
others, and this uh this topic comes up,
do you feel people get into a state of
cognitive dissonance? You know, they're
>> most are waking up. Most are agreeing.
Originally, they were all thinking I was
crazy. Now, most are agreeing with me.
>> It goes through that stage, right? At
first, cuz you're cuz why?
>> I was questioning myself at first. Am I
going crazy?
>> Because usually people are It's the
sheep mentality. So you're the one now
the black sheep because you're not going
with it with the herd. So then they look
at you like the odd one out.
>> Yep. Well, good example is you I don't
share private conversations, but I think
Sean Strickland's he's tweeted out
enough public stuff. Unfortunately, he's
still a little anti- um Muslim. I've
been trying to work on that. But but
before he was like thought I was like an
idiot for my stance on Israel,
>> but then he starts really like, "Oh
[\h__\h] you're right. Now I just need to
get him to realize that Islam's not a
problem." How is uh I had uh I was with
um the the guy when Sean Strickland he
talks about have you met him? The one
that you know the story he talks about
I'm with these R you know Russians were
training and then the one um I forgot
his name. He he calls him over he was he
was in the UFC also and it's a tip of my
tongue. Um
>> I don't Sean Strickland trained with
him.
>> Was it when he said something about
Muhammad? Yeah. He said, "Hey, I cannot
there that day and the guy You were
there?"
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> So, what's the guy's He doesn't speak to
I can't remember who that was, but they
weren't too happy about it. But like
obviously,
>> but the but um I was supposed to um have
him on the program. He was here with the
camp. Really nice guy. And he really was
uh respecting the relationship that he
had with Sean Strickland. You know what
I mean? He didn't want to say nothing.
See, that's what standup guys are.
>> But it's also like you I can't be
sparring with you if I disrespect you
Muhammad.
>> At the same time, that that was the
other thing. and he felt like look if we
talk as men together you know he's going
to have a different uh because that kind
of slowed him down after that he stopped
but then Sean again started up you know
>> yeah I think that day they temporarily
worked it out but then I told the story
once in a podcast and Sean said I didn't
tell it right so I'm not going to try to
tell it I don't know if Sean was right
if I told it right or not but I was
definitely there that day and there was
some kind of altercation between him and
one of those guys and I think they
talked it out that day that went in and
sparred but then yeah I don't I don't
think he's disrespected Muhammad since
then but like a little bit anti-Muslim
still.
>> Yeah. The the thing is
>> but yeah, he's came he came manto man
with him and like Sean we need to talk
you know
>> but here's the thing. Look look if we
sit I would love to sit with someone
like people like Sean Strickland and
others who've been very they've become
victims to the hate prop the
misinformation campaign. So if we if you
can sit and we'd love for you to ask
questions and let's have let's have a
dialogue discuss and then make your
judgment after that. You know after
>> Sean might sit down and talk with you
and stuff.
>> If you ever come to Vegas you might
Vegas Vegas though you might have come
to Vegas for some of these. there too
also.
>> Yeah.
>> How was it when you were when you were
um you spent some time a lot of time
with Sneo?
>> I I love Sneo. He's great. You know, I
don't like a lot of those like
influencers, but he's he's one guy who
keeps his word. He's loyal. He's a good
friend. Um he's been nothing but great.
>> How was it when you saw him? He would go
he'd be with you and then he's going to
Were you surprised learn that he
accepted Islam and he was uh he was
actually talking to you a little bit? He
was already a Muslim when um
>> I started hanging out with him because
you've been Muslim for a little while
and you know he's didn't really like
I've had a lot of I've actually had a
lot of Muslim friends. So
>> there was a guy I interviewed from your
from your um one of your students. Uh he
went and it was a few years ago if I
remember correctly he went to um shake
the guy went to shake his hand and then
he didn't shake his hand. It was a big
controversy. It was over the news and
then um do you remember who I'm talking
about? He he was strange in Vegas. He's
one of your student Muslim fighters and
I had him on the program
>> and it was all over the news because
they
>> Oh, was it um
>> they turned it on?
>> Bashar brother.
>> I forgot his name. Yeah,
>> one is light guy. One of the Boschar
brothers.
>> Lightweight. Lightweight. I
>> think he's one of the Boschar brothers.
Yeah.
>> Is he still is he still competing? Is he
still
>> Yeah, they're very talented. Um one of
them's undefeated still. Was it one of
them got in a fight with um
>> but he beat the guy bad. He beat him.
>> Oh, yes. It was um the Israeli guy.
>> Yes,
>> he was an Israeli guy. Yeah. At
weigh-ins, it goes way worse than what
you're saying. They went there at
weigh-ins and he called him a dirty
terrorist.
>> That's a
>> That's it. I forgot about that. Yeah,
that's the
>> right on camera. Could you imagine just
like how how arrogant these people were?
I was just like, whoa. He beat the crap
out of him. That was
>> What was his name?
>> Um um that was Jed Bashar.
>> Jav that's extremely talented fighter.
Yeah. Him and then he has his brother
Farad Bashar.
>> He's on a UFC. Yeah, they're both
they're both extremely talented.
Unfortunately, they moved to um Florida,
but I'm still really close with them.
>> What part of Florida are you?
>> They are American Top Team. American Top
>> because for me, I I have so much going
on. I was only able to be a part-time
coach for them. I was able to train them
two times a day, and they needed
fulltime.
>> Yes.
>> They were amazing people, though. It
wasn't like we left under bad
circumstances. I even told him, I'm
like, "Bro, I I I have too much other
stuff going on to be your guys'
full-time coach."
>> But they are amazing fighters, amazing
students. You know, they learn so well.
like we spent a lot of time tightening
their jitsu up. They're uh I think
either one of them have has a good shot
of being a champ one day.
>> Yeah. So, um when um
when you see the the direction that
things are going when you talk when you
talk to people like that was when you
mentioned Sean Strickland, he was at one
I think at one point he said something
about I'm going to have to I'm going to
have to something along the lines of put
on a palace. how the direction he was
starting to see the direction things are
going.
>> Yes.
>> And uh he was getting fed up also.
>> He's extremely sick of Israel, you know,
like I know he's tweeted some of that
publicly cuz I don't share people's
political opinions if they have it, but
he's definitely not happy with Israel.
And initially, he was an Israel
supporter.
>> I think this was at the end uh Charlie
Kirk, I think they were trying to get
him to cancel uh Dave Smith, Tucker
Carlson.
>> Well, he didn't have candy. Yeah. Tuck.
They really wanted him to cancel Taco
and Tucker. And he wouldn't do it. and
Candace
>> then he ended up getting shot.
>> Well, the final text, you know, he what
did he say? I have no choice but to
abandon the pro-Israel position. For
one, they're cutting his sponsors.
>> Also, he was completely getting attacked
everywhere he goes. And hopefully he had
a conscience, too. Hopefully, he cared
about the dead kids. Hopefully, it
wasn't just about money to him cuz I met
him a couple times and he seemed like a
good person. So, that that has been
eating his conscious up.
>> Yeah.
>> Lately, he's that he's taking, you know,
potentially hundreds of millions of
dollars to support genocide. That can't
feel good.
>> I just um you know even though he said
he said a lot of bad things you know at
the end obviously we don't agree with
him at all but I was really looking I
was I was hope we had planned to meet in
person.
>> He still hurt me like I was battling
with him at the time but it hurt me when
he died cuz I think maybe his heart was
good and he would have been switched to
the right direction.
>> He was very when we spoke he was very
respectful. We spoke you know and we had
a nice conversation. It was not an
argument.
>> Yeah. You Yeah. He had a heart and I
think he knew he was on the wrong side.
>> Yeah. I think he was eating him up. I I
could be wrong. There's a little
speculation going there, but I think I
think he was eating I was supposed to go
debate him on a very large podcast and
then he, you know, pulled out, but he's
a better debater than me, but I think he
just knew he couldn't position. How how
can you when you're when you're when
you're on the side of truth, it was
individual position. So him pulling out
shows he knew he wasn't on the right
side. And I hope it was coming from a
pure place of his heart, you know, not
just the money.
>> Yeah. and we were literally we talked
about you know he uh getting together
and it just it never um transpired but I
was I was hoping something like that
these
>> no these are the important things I
think like like you mentioned Candace
and Tucker like those like I don't I
don't know well I met Tucker but I don't
have his number or anything but if we
get stuff like that get big you know and
that's why I'm bringing on more Muslim
guests I have Daniel on who's a friend
of yours not turning my not turning my
podcast into a Muslim podcast but just
like okay I need to start bringing some
of these voices on let my audience like
when I had Daniel, how do you say his
last name?
>> Pikachu.
>> My I thought I was going to get some
backlash from my audience and they loved
it. Like this is such a good interview
and it's like I think they were going to
love it your interview too cuz it's like
it makes sense. They realize oh these
people aren't our enemy.
>> Talk to us. That's the thing. Let's sit
and talk. Let's have a conversation.
Let's go ahead and
>> lots of people like don't have any
Muslim friends. I think
>> that's very important. Yeah. Uh talk sit
with a Muslim. You don't have a Muslim
friend. So now that hate propaganda is
getting
>> if I didn't have any Muslim friends, I'd
probably hate you guys because the
propaganda is so strong. If you don't
have any Muslim friends and you're
seeing always the bad guys in movies,
always this constantly told they're a
terrorist. Well, I'm a critical thinker.
I wouldn't. But if you're not, that's
going to be your n. So it's hard to even
blame the people if they haven't been
around them.
>> Yeah.
>> I think that's why you got to talk to
them. And it's like you're good at
understanding that like you don't have
hatred towards these people. You just
want to talk to them.
>> Yeah. That's where it begins with a
conversation.
>> So we covered a lot. I mean think and
I'm I'm looking forward uh we we we
started off with uh talking about being
peacemakers and so great
>> and and with individuals and hopefully
you know conversations like this can can
lead to uh less as people start to wake
up and realize that they've been duped
you know like Tucker has and Candice and
others. Uh they can be become more
brave. They can sit and talk with the
Muslim. They can have we can have
conversations, you know, we don't have
to water down. You don't have to
>> you guys there's not going to be
perfect. There's always going to be
there's always going to be some
differences between the two. So, it's
not like
>> but at least there should be a
friendship and alliance between the two.
>> Yeah.
>> I think we're not far off from that
happening cuz but there is a massive
push toward hatred, too. So, we got to
be careful it doesn't go that direction.
>> I don't know if you you've seen this uh
>> was this Joe Rogan. Uh see the shirt
he's wear.
>> Oh, he's wear That's awesome.
>> This was years years ago. Yeah, it was
Joe Rogan. He had our our shirt on. He
also Joe Rogan, you know Joe Rogan,
obviously.
>> Yeah, I know Joe Rogan well.
>> Yeah. Amazing guy.
>> I I love the direction before he was
actually around certain people and he
had a lot of people were talking
negatively about Islam for a long time.
>> And then uh we started to do some
programs. We were respectfully, you
know, refuting some of the things that
were said about Islam in a very academic
way. I'd bring on a scholar and we
discuss we didn't tag Joe or anything,
but I I I think he also he, you know,
>> he'll listen.
>> Yeah. He's been a little disappointing
towards some of the stuff, you know, but
I had a private conversation instead of
publicly saying thing, you know, I wish
I wish he'd be a little more and he
stuck for Palestine a little bit, but I
wish he'd be a little more a little
harder. But I think, you know, he gets a
lot of money from an Israeli company
that's connected to the IDF and I'm not
saying that's why he doesn't speak up
more, but like
>> I don't know there's he's a good person.
Joe Rogan's a good person. But it's
interesting when you say that it like
comes at the end a lot of times, you
know, you you you get people who are
scared to pe speak up because at the end
of the day, you risk a lot, right? You
>> there's a lot of money, you know, and
and Joe's tied in lot tons of friends,
too. But it's not being hateful towards
Well, again, perfect example, Dave
Smith. He's, you know,
>> R Shafir, I've had him on my podcast,
too. He's It's like
>> there are people that are turning
against Israel now, and the more the
turns, the better.
>> Mhm. But I think it's it's crazy if you
not turn against Israel. That's you know
people America's turning against Israel.
So if they keep fighting it they're
showing these anti-tropes to be
anti-semitic tropes to be to guys like
Mark Levin, Ben Shapiro. It's very clear
they're loyal to Israel over America.
These people don't give a [\h__\h] about
America. So by them showing that, you
know, it's going to make people think,
oh, if all Jews are like this, we don't
want them here. So aren't like that.
It's time to speak up and be like, hey,
I'm America first. I'm putting America
before Israel. And you get these guys
like Mark Lavine. He's like threatening
us basically saying what almost sounds
like death threats.
>> Yeah. So, as we're talking about uh I
want to get your reaction to this.
>> Okay.
>> Muslim lands opened their gates wide in
Baghdad, Cairo, Cordoba. Jews weren't
just surviving. They were thriving.
Respected as scholars, appointed as
ministers. One side called them
heretics. The other called them brothers
in faith. Muslims didn't just tolerate
Jews. They empowered them and protected
them. The history they don't want you to
remember. Islam sheltered the Jews when
the world turned its back. And look at
how they repaid our hospitality.
Yeah. They were living in Palestine and
all over the Middle East before the
Zionists came in and started doing
terrorist attacks, cleansing people. You
know, of course, there would always be
times when there would be some some
differences, but overall they lived in I
mean, I don't know all the history, but
there were in lots of those countries
living totally in peace. Even once
Israel was created, a lot of the Muslims
still didn't want to move from the
Middle East to Israel. So, MSAD started
going out sending bombing, bombing these
places, blaming on Muslims to force the
move to Israel.
>> And that propaganda, the reason I show
this is because now we'll be talking and
be, oh, he's with this Muslim, they hate
and whatnot. And I quoted that on your
program that that professor
a leading professor David Warrenstein
who quotes in the chronicles that Islam
saved the jury the Jewish people. So to
dispel this that you know obviously you
know this is propaganda that's being
pushed and history shows it. It's not
something that
>> it's recent. People go oh this
conflict's been going on for thousands
of years between Jews and Muslims. Like
no it's not. It's not. It's it started
what 1940 1947 was it or so? That's
maybe a couple years before that little
things. That's when there's been
conflict. It's not a thousand-year-old
uh battle.
>> What do you think now is is going to
happen? There's the ceasefire. What do
you think is happening? What's going to
happen? What are your what are your um
>> I think Israel is going to break it.
They're still trying to take the land in
the West Bank and people some, you know,
your audience probably knows, but a lot
of people don't know what they do to the
West Bank. It's not even Hamas how they
go there and terrorize people, kill
their animals, cut down their trees,
take their homes. It's just sick. So, I
don't think Israel is going to stop. I
think Netanyahu and the current
governments is complete lunatics and I
think it's going to spark back up.
>> You think there um there's talk about
them making the the rich getaway over
there for the um elites making the the
she the the seashore there the property
developing that
>> Trump Trump towers.
>> It's disgusting but yeah that's what
they want to do.
>> You heard of that?
>> Yeah. You know that's uh Jared Kushner
was on there with was it his dad or some
developer and he says he he accidentally
slipped up something something about
yeah we had the
>> master plan
>> he had the plans drawn up a couple years
ago and Jared like glanced over at him
I'm like you're not supposed to say that
>> so they're definitely planning on taking
it and rebuilding it and um it's just
disgusting what they're trying to do and
people always say oh why won't the other
Arab countries take them it's like well
one they're in their land right now and
two once they take that land they're
going to try to take more you know I'm
sure you know the greater Israel project
which a lot of them a lot of them
believe and don't deny it where they
want to take a lot of that land.
>> Wow. So it's going to you feel it's
going to just keep going.
>> I hope I'm wrong but I think there'll be
more war but America's turning on them.
I don't know like Israel might not exist
in 10 years. They might have overplayed
their hand and been too arrogant, too
conceited and think they just completely
control America. And I think they're
losing our support.
>> Mhm.
>> But unfortunately they still control all
of our politicians. You know, the two
Republicans that have turned on Israel,
Trump's calling them traitors. And so
Trump's the Trump's the one who's
actually a traitor. People ask me why I
turned on Trump. Trump turned on me. I
didn't turn on Trump. He's the one that,
you know, wasn't stopp being America
first.
>> Who's the lady? She's um representative,
blonde hair,
>> something Taylor Green, Mar Taylor
Green, something like that. She's been
great. She was she was actually talking
about how when she was questioned by
someone about are you getting a lot of
people who are coming to you and asking
you about Sharia she's like never
because the guy was questioning her
about what's happening on X and she also
talks about how she believes that this
is like what we're talking about being
funded because her constituent people
come and they're talking about real
issues that they're having and nobody's
coming here talking about asking me
about
>> Sharia
>> no one's concerned about Yeah. Like
>> but if you watch X you think Muslims are
like a majority and they're about to
like chop your head off. They're going
to take over everything if you watch the
the the feeds and and
>> No, that's what they act like. I think
I'm actually I've never been to
Dearborn. I think I'm going to go out
there for a day or two and do a little
mini mini shooting and see what it's
like cuz I actually don't know what it's
like, but I hear how bad it is. So, I'm
going to go out there, talk to people,
and go find out.
>> That's a good idea. Let
>> How far from here is that? It's not that
far, is it?
>> That's an hour flight. 5 hours.
>> I think maybe
I'm so busy. Maybe like in two months
when I'm out in Chicago, we'll go out
there.
>> Let's maybe we'll go together.
>> Dude, that'd be awesome if you want to.
Uh, Dearborn, here we come.
>> Cuz I'm going to film like like a little
mini documentary. Spend a day out day or
two out there. I got someone said they
might be able to connect me with the
mayor out there.
>> But I'm going to be completely unbiased.
Whatever I see, I'm going to show. If
the Muslims look bad there, I'm going to
show that just, you know. So, I'm being
honest. I'm going to show what I
honestly see.
>> Okay. There's a really good uh
independent documentary. It's called
Raqqa News. I don't youard Rocka News.
They try to I this first time I got
exposed to them. You can watch this. And
they talk about how, this is interesting
because they talk about how vacant um
land in Buffalo, some of the worst area
in Buffalo, uh their wasteland. It's
like, you know, violent. People are
scared to come out of their houses. And
they talk about how the Muslims
>> have come and they've bought some of the
empty churches and they've turned them
into mosques. And the people now, the
families are coming and the neighbors
around they're they're saying you people
can watch this rock on News
>> and you can see the the documentary they
put and what's interesting is they're
showing how people now feel safe to come
out. Their kids can play outside.
Interesting.
>> Yeah. Their kids can play outside.
They're not trying to like the
neighborhood.
>> This is near dear same area.
>> This is in Buffalo. Buffalo. Yeah.
Buffalo. So they're they're they're um
they're showing how what Charlie Kirk
talked about before he passed. He says,
um, this is the American dream that our
families can go outside and we can play
till the sunrise. But in this violent
wasteland in America where Muslims are
condensing just like in Dearborn over
there, you got safer safer areas. No
one's trying to implement change any
constitution, but now crime is lower.
>> People feel safer. They're the money's
coming back into the neighborhoods.
Businesses are opening. It's thriving.
Would would you rather just stay in
slums?
>> I learned a little about Derbo. That's
why I should go out there cuz I'm
honestly going there unbiased and I will
give an unbiased report. If I see bad
things, I'm sure it
>> I have to be completely honest, you
know. That's what if if you want people
to trust me, I have to show what I
honestly see. So,
>> but but then you'll go to New York, for
example, and you'll have Okay. You'll
have Jews there who have their own own
like almost like police,
>> right?
>> Did you did you hear when they left that
black kid to die? It was like years ago.
There was like massive riots. I think it
this was a long time ago. I can't
remember what year maybe like 30 years
ago. I think it was a hit a black kid.
>> He ended up dying, but they picked up
the Jewish guy, the Jewish um ambulance
and left the black kid to die in the
street. And there was like riots after.
>> See, in Islam, this is unacceptable.
This is not you cannot do that. But but
now we're not complaining. Nobody's
saying, "Look, they're trying to take
over New York and they're trying to but
they got pretty much
>> that's how it is. Certain people go to
certain areas."
>> Yeah. Now, you know, I I don't want our
whole country un unless people convert
naturally to be, you know, I don't want
to bring in tons of Muslims from all
over the world. I don't want to bring
people from anywhere. So, I'm not like
trying to flood our country with
Muslims, but I also have no problem if
Muslims want certain areas and they get
along with Muslims. Great.
>> You obey the law. You come here, you you
you you um help to make the country.
Yeah. I don't want people coming
illegally from anywhere.
>> Absolutely. We're on the same page.
>> And if people break laws, they should be
kicked out of the country.
>> Yeah. And you'll see these people who
they'll try to um you know, show You
know, look, Islam is what we say is is
perfect. But then you have Muslims,
let's say somebody who, you know, they
did a report that 300 almost 400% this
is um I'll put it up on the screen, 400%
more media coverage is given to somebody
who's somehow connected to Islam, a
Muslim. So imagine 400 times more media
report. If somebody does something, he's
mentally deranged.
>> He's doing something opposite to the
religion
>> and you're not even checking that if
he's got he's altogether there. But
imagine, you know, almost 400 times more
media publicity is something that would
let's say their religion is not brought
up or anything but all of a sudden if
he's Muslim, Muhammad or somehow
connected, it's from drive it like
crazy. So naturally now that's going to
that goes back to Muslims, they really
push those. They don't check. Were they
on SSI drugs? Were they on like or SSR
whatever those drugs are the
antiscychotic drugs? Were they on
anti-depressants? Like let's check this
type of stuff.
>> And they they you know the there was a
stabbing in UK and the guy they said the
rail worker Samir he ended up stepping
up and saving many lives.
>> I remember that because he was like
Muslim right. It kind of didn't get any
attention. I remember that you're
talking about.
>> Yeah. But let's say if he if if he was
the opposite if he was the one who was
doing the crime all over Muslim
terrorist they're going to like you know
>> it would have been Yeah. And there are a
few I mean obviously there's examples
where Muslims do bad things. I don't
know the details of this but there was
one where there's there's you know some
pakis they were doing some like where
they're like I think they had like some
kind of girls young girls doing sex work
and and they kind of the media kind of
buried it and that's absolutely
horrible. They should be condemned. I
think yeah exactly. we should hang. I
think you would agree that these are
terrible, evil people. And
>> if you caught them, that's almost like
the death penalty in Islam. You see, we
don't we don't joke. But here's the
thing, like as as a as as a Muslim,
you're you're not even supposed to
practicing Muslim be alone with the
opposite gender if that's not your
family member because of things that can
transpire. It's not supposed. So, let
alone to be um you're not even supposed
to have girlfriend. you're supposed to
marry the woman, have a wife, let alone,
you know, uh, doing, you know, grooming
to have
>> you can agree that's disgusting. These
people should be handled badly. See?
Exactly. You have common sense.
>> They're they're like the the MS-13 or
the cartel members who are wearing
crosses.
>> Christians. Yeah. It's crazy. They're
wearing crosses. They kill people.
Exactly. That's a perfect analogy.
>> Yeah. So, they don't represent
Christianity. These guys don't represent
Islam. Done deal. That's it.
>> Another another interesting complex
thing is, okay, Islam is such a large
religion. There's so many different
countries. So there's different
cultures, so they're not all going to be
the same. You have different of the
religion, but you have all these
different cultures under it. So you
can't expect them. There's going to be
some differences. And people I don't
understand how people can't understand
that.
>> Yeah. And I always give this example I
give, look, uh, in Islam, you cannot
drink alcohol, you cannot fornicate, you
cannot go ahead and gamble. But Muslims
do that.
>> They're just not following following
Islam. So if a Muslim does an evil act,
he commits an act of terror, he's doing
opposite to Islam. It's very simple to
understand. Yeah. No, they need to.
Yeah. Exactly. And I have I have other
friends that occasionally drink and like
messed up and it's like, oh well, you
know, do doing the best or or you know,
but you shouldn't do it. You should try
your hardest not to do these things.
>> Exactly. So,
>> and if if you sin occasionally, you
know, if you truly mean it, Allah will
forgive you. Correct. As long as you
truly mean.
>> Yes. Y
>> I talked to my friend who trying to
convert me. I'm like, "Well, what if I
messed up and drink?" Like, well, you
know, you shouldn't, but if you messed
up, you know, all this forgiving,
>> it's a step-by-step process. You know
what I mean? step and that's why the the
five pillars are there. There are things
like tomorrow you want to become, you
know, the best at jiu-jitsu, you're
going to have to go ahead and follow the
curriculum, right? You're going to have
to train. You're going to have to
>> It takes a while. It's hard work.
>> You're going to get tapped out. You're
going to get, you know, um
>> is the most humbling thing ever.
>> So, same thing over here. There's a
process. There's things that you do. You
gain knowledge. You gain more
understanding. And then you naturally
you want to leave off
>> early on. I make a couple mistakes. It
doesn't mean I'm a terrible
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, his friend
explained that like, "Oh, that makes it
a little easier. It doesn't mean I could
go and drink still, but if I messed up
or you know,
>> you don't come into Islam perfect. You
come into Islam the worst." And it makes
you better. That's it.
>> Make make yourself the best you can.
>> That's it. It makes you,
>> you know, it's like we all struggle with
things, you know. I struggled giving up
girls. I love girls so much, you know.
Okay, I need to get serious, have
children, but it was a struggle that I
had I had to battle with.
>> Yeah. Where can uh where can people find
you? Um, my podcast. Well, basically
every everywhere I put it like YouTube.
Is it Jake Shields? You put my name,
it'll come up on Twitter, Jake Shields,
AJJ, Instagram, Rumble. Some of my stuff
gets, you know, cut off of uh YouTube.
Just put my name in. Probably most
places it pops up. Just Jake Shields.
>> You know, if you want to support the
podcast, I have um or support me. I have
a fightbackpodcast.com. If people want
to buy merch or anything like that, man.
Yeah. Thanks so much. We definitely be
having more conversations and that
Durborn thing might be cool. I really
want to do that.
>> Yeah, let's uh check back in.
>> Just go out there unbiased and see what
we see out there cuz I hear, oh, how
terrible it is and I go see for myself.
>> Sounds like a plan. Cool.
>> Thank you so much.
>> Thank you, my brother. Thank you and
thank you guys. We'll see you next time.
Peace be with you. They come.