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great to see an old friend he's back
with us again former US military Air
Force Major he was trying so hard to be
well actually he was an atheist and he
was trying very hard to be a Christian
he has an incredible story that we've
done in the past but it's always great
to have my old friend Dr Brown here in
the dean show Studio we're going to be
touching upon some great arguments that
you can use for some of your friends
colleagues at work and you know what
they say you know what just all religion
is a joke I don't believe in it I don't
want it I don't believe in God sounds
kind of dumb doesn't it silly but we're
going to be giving you some positive
things that you can go ahead and share
with the people to have them really
thinking when we come back here on the
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the Dr Brown Lawrence how are you my
friend I was going to give you a high
five but that's okay back on the dean
show it's always good to have at Old
Fred back in the studio I been it's
always good to be here
alhamdulillah it seems like yesterday
see the time is flying when you haven't
fun and I think there's a lesson there
yeah there is we're not here we're not
here forever that's for sure it's really
uh we we um alhamdulillah Allah has
given us uh this great opportunity to
see each other again and I always
introduce the show talking about the
show that we did originally and we
wanted to talk a little bit about a work
that you have in progress tell us about
this work
oh well basically I became very
interested in the reputation of
atheism and u i I originally put
together a website called reality of
god.com maybe about seven or eight years
ago and uh when I Revisited the subject
I found that so much has happened in
that uh you know the last seven years to
bring out new evidence uh against
atheism and it it's really very
fascinating it's it's fascinating to see
how scientists are leaving the
entrenched atheism and many scientists
who historically were the ones who were
the proponents of atheism how many
scientists now are gravitating towards
recognizing the existence of a Creator
and giving their various reasons for
doing so what do you say to someone that
you come across or someone's asking you
have you gotten some emails say hey I
got a colleague at the University he
said I just don't believe in God is
there any things that you'd like to say
to have someone really to think plant
seed of goodness in their heart
something that you know that can blossom
and glow later just have something deep
and
profound you know it's pretty much in
all cases I try to tell people look
there's no postcard answer to any of
these things uh we're living in a day
and age where people have very shortened
attention spans if they can't see it in
a uh in a two minute Vine or if they
can't see it in a you know five minute
YouTube video where they don't want it
and so I do try to point out to people
that if they're seriously searching for
the truth of their creator and then the
next step for the religion of Truth they
have to invest some time and effort into
it mhm um aside from that I try to just
leave them with things to think about uh
you know for
example somebody says that they simply
don't believe in their creator uh I just
point out to them that the foundation
the foundational beliefs of atheism have
basically been refuted by the scientists
themselves let me give you an example
please okay uh in the past the question
which came first the chicken versus the
egg was sort of a creationist argument
you know the point being well neither
one could have come first without the
other so therefore there must be a
Creator right um the The Atheist
arguments go back to the big bang and
evolution or the process of natural
selection so the atheist argues that uh
in the beginning there was this
Singularity there was this explosion the
universe expanded and is continuing to
expand and not that you know dur during
the history of the billions of years
since uh the uh life evolved on on Earth
as one of those just lucky planets that
had the conditions for life okay all
right
fine when uh when I was in college about
uh you know 30 years ago um the the big
bang was basically a very simplistic
concept since then scientists have
defined the moment of origin of the Big
Bang as the mo moment of origin of mass
and energy
and time and
space the modern concept of the Big Bang
is that before the Big Bang not only did
the mass and energy not exist but time
and space did not
exist so the scientist themselves have
now basically shown that before the Big
Bang I mean this is this is their belief
this is what they argue before the Big
Bang nothing existed not mass not energy
not time not space which means instead
of asking the Chicken and the Egg
argument which came first the chicken or
the egg you have to ask which came first
mind versus
matter right think about it everything
around us is matter and
energy the scientists are now telling us
not only did the matter and energy not
exist before the Big Bang but neither
did space and neither did
time so where did all of this come from
you had to have something as an origin
to these things and if it's not matter
and it's not energy and there's no time
and there's no space the origin can only
be a
transcendental
Creator which is basically the answer to
which came first mind versus
matter mind that is what existed before
the Big Bang and it's interesting
because in our religion we are told that
Allah brought us brought this universe
into existence through his word of
creation cool be a
command this a command of intelligence a
command of a command of mind so the
scientists themselves have basically
brought their analysis of the Big Bang
back to the point where they have
painted themselves into the
corner where the only thing that could
exist before the big
bang is a
creator with the the mind the you know
transcendental ability to will something
into existence and what religion gives
us that M Islam Islam is the religion
that describes exactly that form of
Creator very enlightening challenge that
atheists sit through this episode don't
turn off food porn drugs all all of the
other things that just you know take
over your life put it on hold just sit
tight we're going to have some great
information being passed along to you
and let's see and all we ask is that you
have an open heart open mind and within
yourself just just ask the one who
created you to guide you and sit tight
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here I don't know if you've seen this
where there's a bunch of Legos is and
I'm talking the guy's putting the Legos
in the bag yeah and the the bag's being
shaken up and now he's pulling it out
and it's actually a plane it's been put
together and then it says by chance and
there's a a Ayah from the verbaan word
of God the Quran stating the same exact
thing do you think you were created from
nothing right did you create yourself
have you seen this uh I haven't seen
that and it just doesn't mean anything
to me because there there's a very far
reach between Lego and what what we are
uh and this is just this is kind of
another point of the argument uh back in
the time of Darwin single cells were
just a little dot on the slide and their
complexity was completely unknown now we
have What's called the minimum Gene Set
uh Theory which is basically that a cell
cannot exist without a minimum of a
certain number of functioning genes and
I believe that I believe if I remember
correctly that number now is something
like
350 wow and if you look at the
complexity of a gene how it is coded how
you know how how it uh expresses itself
and so on and so forth you realize that
just the existence of a single Gene is a
miracle but 350 genes all working
together in a Cooperative fashion that
um you know that gives a cell the
ability to function at the complexity
that we now know that boggles the
imagination and it's just not sufficient
to say that you know with enough time
and and with enough uh you know
extremities of circumstances these
things could happen look we were talking
about how science is basically stubbing
its own foot on these matters I mean one
of the foundational experiments that was
done to suggest that you could take the
fundamental elements of our atmosphere
and combine them and make the precursors
of Life were the experiments by Stanley
Miller in in Harold Yuri's laboratory
back in I think it was the 50s okay and
he took what he thought were the
fundamental elements of the primordial
Earth and put them all together and in a
closed environment passed a spark
through it uh to simulate lightning and
and so on and uh and then just watched
it over a a few weeks and after a few
weeks he analyzed the you know the the
fluid that um you know that resulted and
he found some basic amino acids and so
he said haha you can take the basic you
know um the basic substances that
existed in the Earth at that time and
and you can put them through the same
sort of climactic conditions that they
would have been subject to and amino
acids result from amino acids come
proteins genes DNA da da VOA a cell okay
the mistake with in that is that
scientists now know that the chemicals
he used as the to uh to represent the
primordial environment were wrong okay
he was using he was using methane he was
using hydrogen water vapor and I think
it was CO2 but in any case uh what they
have found is that uh the methane was
was not there the hydrogen was not there
um and um and basically when they when
they analyzed what what the correct
chemicals would be and put the correct
chemical mixture together and tried to
replicate the experiment it didn't
work okay and so so if you're going to
if you're going to reference these
experiments and say well this is how it
happened you have to reference the
correct experiment
experiment and it goes on and on and on
I mean
there there are there are so many
arguments against the standard atheist
arguments at this point the one I like
the most is just who gave it
life uh you can put every even if you
can put everything together in a
workable
construct where does the life come
from what breathes life into this
thing and you know I understand that's
not a very scientific approach but on
the other hand some people will just
connect with that argument and realize
that yeah there's a far cry between
putting things
together that you know in a mechanical
way that functions like a machine and
something that has
life I tell you one of one of the
arguments I found most
interesting is one I Came Upon fairly
recently and that was just while reading
the Quran I I saw some passages in which
Allah
was pointing out his you know him being
the
Creator and saying uh basically
challenging mankind do we not see that
he created everything in
pairs and I was struck by this I was
thinking you know that's really
interesting uh why why is Allah pointing
out that he created everything in par
and using that as an argument for him
being the
Creator and then then I
realized you know it makes
sense um where
did the pairing of the Sexes come from I
mean even if you believe in the concept
of evolution going back to some
primordial cell that was dividing by
asexual
reproduction how did that become pairs
of everything I mean it doesn't matter
whether you're talking about plants fish
reptiles amphibians mammals birds the
fossil record of these things goes back
pairs all the way back there is no
example in any of the lines of
creation being asexual reproduction
asexual reproductions of of birds
reptiles amphibians mammals fish uh
plants and and so on so
no if this was something that happened
by happen stance you would expect to
find a transition zone in at least one
of these lines of creation where the
fossils were showing asexual
reproduction all along until something
happened and they developed the two
Sexes mhm I might believe I might
believe in natural
selection of a line that follows a
linear path even though the evidence is
so much against it but now you're asking
me to believe in natural
selection of the male and female side by
side doesn't make sense it doesn't make
sense no uh we we're going to take a
break Dr Brown really
mindblowing when you really reflect and
you think we have uh some more time with
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Brown what has been your experience
sometimes you can have a very fruitful
conversation with someone who's you know
an intellectual and you know they're
sincerely wanting to know the truth and
maybe they coming from a man-made
religion and it just really didn't make
sense and there are some just weird
things being associated with it and then
you tell them these these astounding
facts and it just resonates it's
something that makes sense and you can
have you dealt with this person as
opposed to the other person who just
starts mocking leaving rude comments be
uh uh becoming very ignorant and what
have you seen the difference between the
two and again I think it just comes back
to following your desires uh and the
other thing is arrogance uh AR arrogance
yeah I I mean one of the one of the
things that I've noticed that is so
difficult to deal with and it's not just
atheists although
they're very good at this but uh people
of a variety of um you know Pathways in
life is just that they're committed to
what they're upon because it gives them
what they
want they're not doing what we are
bidden to do as Muslims which is to
submit to the will of our creator
they're submitting to the will of
themselves okay um they they want a
certain thing so they won't accept
anything that takes them away from that
uh and the and the other is just
arrogance just their heart their mind is
not open you can't you can't talk to
them about these things you know another
a project I'm working on right now kind
of highlights this
because you know uh religious people
believe that uh A House Divided will not
stand I mean it's it's a teaching that
you take from the Bible uh A House
Divided will not stand uh you you can't
be fighting against
yourself and you have the atheists
arguing the process of natural
selection And yet when you look at the
fruit of the atheist life everything
they are doing is against Natural
Selection what do I mean the process of
natural selection is that the you know
the the fit
individuals propagate their genes by
having a lot of children and spreading
spreading their genes through the gene
pool right the idea is propagation of
the superior
genes well atheists have the lowest
number of children if they get married
at all to begin with they have the
highest rates of fornication they have
the highest rates of abortion the
highest rates of divorce they they have
no problem with anything that has to do
with fun in this life whether it is
promiscuity drugs alcohol whatever and
all of these things are destructive to
the family unit they're destructive
to reproduction for example promiscuity
brings STDs STDs bring
infertility okay and and on and on and
on if you if you look at what
atheism promotes it promotes a life
without any moral
structure and as a result it's it's a
life basically which does not conform to
the very thing that they are teaching
natural
selection now the interesting thing is
that if you look at an atheist in the
eye and and and say okay so basically
what you're arguing is that it's
survival of the fittest so uh that's
basically saying that anybody can come
off the street and kill you and steal
your wife and daughter and it's okay
because that's what that's what
evolution is all about they of course
will say no and if you speak with
atheists you'll find out that they have
a moral
framework where does that come
from where where does the basic moral
framework come from it doesn't come from
Evolution comes from the teachings of
the prophets doesn't it it comes from
some inside us exactly an internal
guidance some sort of some sort of an
understanding of what's right and wrong
which is inherent do animals have that
understanding no it's all it's all about
finding food finding a mate finding
shelter okay it's it's not it's not
achieving these things by a moral
framework it's just achieving these
things by any
way okay but human beings have morality
which is something that you don't find
anywhere do you see them also when you
start the animal kingdom I mean I I
think that Islam if anyone takes a
sincere analytical scientific approach
you see that all the evidence is just
clear that it's from the Creator it's
not man-made and when you talk to an
atheist and when you really start to
look at their beliefs they'll start
talking about you know martians and
aliens and they really get into some
crazy uh beliefs themselves have you had
this experience yeah okay you know
because this argument of where does life
come from okay okay the you know one of
them one of the prominent atheists who
is propagating his ideology uh he he
says exactly this came from outer space
okay aliens came down and uh and and
that's that's basically where it came
from you didn't answer the question
where did the alien get it from oh he
got it from another alien from another
alien from another alien where did it
originate from okay I mean it's we used
to make fun of this joke uh you know
this old woman comes to this man who's
teaching religion and she says oh I mean
don't don't you understand the the Earth
is all just balanced on the back of a
turtle and he says oh really well where
did the turtle come from and she said
you silly man it's Turtles all the way
down okay well and we laugh because you
know it seems so silly and ignorant but
then here are these atheists who are
basically saying it's aliens all the way
down yeah okay I mean one alien got it
from another from where did the life
come from to begin with you haven't
answered the question they they cannot
deal with the fact that that the
evidence of this
universe is against their own beliefs
and so they're now talking about a
Multiverse okay big bang everything is
expanding 5 years ago 10 years ago
whatever they used to say okay
everything's going expanding so at some
point the gravitational pull will lead
us from ex expansion to slowing down and
then it will be become the Big Crunch
everything will come back together again
one problem they found out that the
universe is is is not slowing down the
expansion is speeding
up completely blows away their concept
of of the big bang and and then the Big
Crunch so they start retooling and they
say okay oh we've got a problem if we're
going to keep our beliefs we have to
come up with some way of explaining How
the Universe this the expansion of the
universe is speeding up and so instead
of facing the
reality that something is wrong with
their Theory they start coming up with
Concepts like um Multiverse and this
that and the other thing to to try to
try to stay upon what they're upon why
arrogance arrogance just a lack of
humility and following their desires the
one thing they do not want to do is they
do not want to submit to their creator
and have to live within the constructs
of a religion that has tenants of Faith
yeah how can the uh I really don't
believe sincerely deep down to anybody's
truly 100% atheist everybody deep down
even though they cover it up believes in
a supreme beam it's just part of our
natural makeup and people cover this up
but how can be someone who sincere now
and they want to know more about uh
atheist they ask some more questions or
someone wants to invite you out to uh
speak at their University whatever the
case how they get a hold of you uh
anybody can contact me through the
contact us button on my website level
truth.com
there I have a um I have a website
specifically for atheists called reality
of good.com and one for Christians true
to jesus.com but if you go to level
truth.com
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of my websites um go to contact us and
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me that easy that easy thank you very
much it's always a pleasure pleasure to
have you on the dean show my good friend
Dr Brown peace be with
you beautiful masallah another exciting
episode on the de show now come in come
in who you kidding look everybody within
themselves believes in the Creator look
look when it's real dark out and the
thunder roars H oh God huh you know
you've done it because you believe or
you saw a little mouse and you jump up
on the table oh God or a big tiger
you're in the jungle or you're in a
plane or out in the sea and the waves
are just taking over oh God or in the
fox so oh God help so deep down every
human being believes in the Creator but
lot of times we get distracted we cover
it up and just some common self sense
you know this way of life that the
Creator is calling us to live it's on
pure goodness everything that he's told
us to do is good and at the end when we
die at the end we have an ultimate
reward Paradise but there is an ultimate
consequences so what do you get just
following your desire
go ahead and enjoy all the porn and all
the parties and accumulate all the
wealth and the money and then what what
if at the end what we know is real you
come to know it and it's too late to go
back if we die at the end and there's
nothing we have nothing to lose but what
do you have to gain and what do you have
to lose at the end you have everything
to lose when the Hellfire is staring at
your face and you can't go back so these
are the signs that come to you
contemplate and reflect and sincerely
ask the one who created all of this this
universe and everything in creation to
guide you and he will facilitate way if
you are sincere and come back to the
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