this is the dean the dean
show back here on the dean show with our
brother
Ali and so we talked about it's not your
fault it's something if if uh the belief
in God this belief system becomes
quantum physics if it becomes something
so convoluted uh that's a red light
isn't it that's I mean it's you know the
the bin in the desert the the truck
driver the carpenter I mean just you're
average uh Layman who doesn't have much
education he just has maybe just common
sense and he can understand look believe
in one God he's like I'm in that's it
now you start getting all complicated
you make things that means man's hands
have been in it they've complicated
things could we make that that's a fair
assessment I say it's a very fair
assessment and you can even see it in
other uh you can see it empirically from
other uh religious Traditions I mean you
have you don't have very many converts
to Hinduism for instance MH you know
they have thousands and thousands of
gods it's usually a cultural something
you're sort of Born Into yeah but uh you
know so a lot of the simple people in
the world they're not converting to
these complicate overly complicated
religious Traditions uh you do have a
lot of simple individuals converting to
Christianity but for the most part they
usually is because they don't understand
even what a trinity means you know
they're they're they're very much
attached to the personality of Jesus but
they don't if you gave them a book on
the Trinity they would completely
lose any sense for what Christianity
even stands for yeah so it it the
package is good look uh someone uh you
know love love love and just believe
this and you're going to paradise and uh
God uh sent you know someone to die for
your sins you got a big uh load of debt
and you put it on the JC gold card but
that's not being I mean that's not being
fair I mean that's not being
no that that's it's a great marketing
tool yeah but at the end of the day
anybody who takes even a few minutes to
comprehend or to contemplate what these
things mean uh will eventually I think
honestly though honestly speaking will
eventually um you know not buy into it
anymore but I think Christians are
primarily more emotional relig leure and
uh that's not and I don't really mean
that as an insult because I mean some of
my teachers were catholic
philosophers and I respect them
immensely for their for their intellect
but the lay person the common person on
the street you know is
not it just it doesn't it it goes over
their head way too much yeah yeah and uh
now you went
from this whole journey and now you had
a Muslim friend and he takes you into a
mosque I mean this is what I tell people
a lot of the islamophobes you know
people who become experts Islam in Islam
they never stepped into a mosque you
know they they never uh uh uh sat and
really had a sincere onetoone uh
heartfelt made a human connection with
some Muslims and really sat with some
Scholars Muslim Scholars to learn but
they all of a sudden become experts you
were you scared you actually now you had
a Muslim he brought you into to a mosque
I think if more people did this first
step they just came into a MOS asked
questions this would be a problem solver
in
itself yeah um I agree I think this this
is a big problem especially among
islamophobes that they don't have any
sort of personal connection with Muslims
in general or even the intellectual
tradition because they I me they want
nothing to do with it um my journey
towards Islam began in philosophy
courses which is interesting uh because
you often hear very negative
connotations about what philosophy is
and how it affects people's Faith um
though I would argue that a deep
understanding of philosophy actually
leads you towards Faith rather than the
opposite but that's maybe another
conversation um I was already sort of
doubting to the point where I kind of
lost my Christianity so now I was
venturing forth trying to find what was
the True Religion so I still believed in
God I didn't make this superficial jump
from religion all the way to atheism
like a lot of these atheists do these
days um I was looking for which Theory
which construct explained God explained
religion the best so I went I looked at
the Eastern religions I looked even
Judaism I looked at uh you know I and
then finally actually my last option was
Islam because of the the negative
portrayals in the media uh which you
know I feel ashamed for having bought
into at that time but you know we're not
always perfectly rational human beings
you were a victim like you fell victim
like many people many millions have
become victim to that yeah so I mean I
mean I wasn't like an open bigot or
anything but I still I had my
reservations as a result of those images
so as I said you know humans aren't
perfectly rational I never claimed to be
so obviously you know some of the things
that we believe in in our lives you know
we can be logical about so uh but when I
met this young man in My Philosophy
course uh he was very kind to me he
showed a great adep um and for me he was
a good example and so I followed him to
the Masjid for several months uh I
visited with the imams and um eventually
I was intellectually
convinced of
Islam but you know there there's always
a disconnect sometimes you know being
intellectually convinced doesn't
necessarily mean being spiritually
convinced and um that came a little
later when uh I had actually uh care was
I know care uh in the US is the what is
it the Council of American yeah they
were doing this giveaway free
Quran month or something for non-muslims
to sort of you know so I I signed up for
it I was expecting this little pamphlet
to come in the mail you know like maybe
this tiny they sent me this massive book
actually I have it in my bookshelf
behind me I should get it to show you
yeah I know what you're talking
about huge one I got one also yeah one
and it came in the mail it was so heavy
I can great right yeah the the black and
yeah the gold uh calligraphy and they
have on
it yeah Muhammad translation and I
thought they had sent me you know more
than one maybe by accident or something
I opened it up massive beautiful book
and I started reading it and in English
obviously because I don't I didn't know
a time and uh I
remember get
to the night journey I think 23 to 24
where it specifically talks about your
parents and
um and this is actually very
heart-wrenching for me because you know
before I get to what that a says because
in my culture you know the Spanish
culture it's you're sort of you're not
very close to your parents and I mean
you are but not to the extent that in a
inside to you you know once you're 18
you're out the door you know what I mean
you see your parents on holidays and
being disrespectful is sort of a normal
thing okay so when it said you know have
mercy on your parents as they had mercy
on you when when they raised you when
you were young you know that kind
of
that that that really I don't know how
that clicked it just did and it really
hurt me actually I felt actually an
extreme amount of pain in my heart um
that's the best way I can describe it uh
I felt guilty I felt ashamed of myself I
felt absolutely wretched as a person and
even today you know I struggle trying to
get over that cultural issue but that
was the first time that I felt that
way about my behavior towards my mother
mhm my father and I
remember when that hit me you know the
first thing that I did and I was living
in Chicago at the time it was really
cold by the way outside I remember going
outside uh without a jacket and I
remember you know I saw my friend
praying with his head to the ground and
so I felt I had to be grateful so uh the
only way I knew how to be grateful in
the context of Islam was to put my head
to the ground I didn't know what I was
doing so I picked a Direction in the
middle of the snow outside of my
apartment where it's like I don't know
what temperature it was and I put my
head to the ground and I said thank
you uh and I think that was the first
time that I had the spiritual connection
to Islam which sort of finally confirmed
in me um what I should
do and
um there there was one more thing that
pushed me further because even though I
had that spiritual connection even
though I had the intellectual
connection I still was scared because
you know the negative portrayals of
Islam and the media what were people
going to think of me when I said I'm a
Muslim now yeah be called a terrorist a
traitor you know treated like garbage
and that's actually what happened um but
before that uh getting the motivation to
move in that direction to finally take
my shahada was was when I was doing some
research about my
history and uh I uh it was just
something I was curious about because I
was reading about Al andalus you know
the time when the Muslims had taken
Spain and had controlled Spain for quite
some time the um D Dynasty and
um I wanted to know my ancestors
happened to maybe come from that you
know that society that Civilization so I
started
that thing and my Spanish last name was
Rosario which uh which in Spanish means
like
Rosary uh and rosaries in the Catholic
tradition are like the the pesp the
beads yeah that you know a lot of
Muslims use to
do and I found out that my last name
traced back only 500 years I couldn't
find any other records before
that and then I also found out that uh
500 years ago from this time period uh
was something called the Reconquista
which the Reconquista was the was when
Queen Isabella from the north came in
and
invaded Spanish alandus and conquered so
the Christians had conquered the Muslims
and pushed us out and all the Muslims
remaining in that region were either
forced to convert were actually forced
to convert the Catholicism or to be
exiled or killed
MH and they would change the names of
the Muslims who were
converted so for instance
uh one of the names of the moriscos
people who were forced to convert was
Rosario because of the fact that these
particular family members used to be
seen with what they had saw was the the
tesp yeah so I found out that my
family had come from thater that my
could be traced back to the school my
ancestors were in Muslims wow 99%
certainty so um so you were going back
to to uh the original way not not not
just spiritually what was the original
way with all the prophets with Jesus
well even your
family yeah so I found out that actually
my family members from way back were
Muslims uh and I looked at more of my
history I found out that my my great
great great grandparents had migrated
from Spain to Puerto Rico and then my
grandparents migrated from Puerto Rico
to New York and then you know I was B
so very deep uh we got couple we almost
out time couple more questions can you
tell me you you had a dialogue with a
the
Imam who in the Masjid and he had an
argument something uh that uh you had
said was very profound something about
if God needed to have needed something
about how did that argument go about the
the sacrifice or crucifixion what was it
how was it it was very profound it was
very deep this goes back to sort of the
the doubts that I had regarding Esau
being part of this Trinity so um he he
propounded this argument to me that was
very close to my own understanding at
the time and I kind of I felt that um at
this point it was very sufficient so
basically he said that if God was
perfect you know that means he doesn't
need anything that means he can't give
anything up he can't get rid of anything
you know he can't lose
anything but when you sacrifice
something
it means that you have lost something
and for any for a sacrifice to have any
meaning you actually have to lose
something it can't be symbolic it can't
just be like oh well you know I just
calling it a sacrifice to make you feel
better no you actually have to sacrifice
something so for Christian theology to
work there has to be an actual sacrifice
but in order for the concept of God in
Christianity to work he can't be able to
sacrifice he can't lose anything he
always has to be as he is this goes back
to the whole unchanging nature of God
so you know for for God to to say that
God sacrifices meaning that you're not
talking about God anymore you're talking
about a human being you're talking about
something lower than God yeah um so for
me this was sort of the the the
eightball in the
pocket that kind of closed it right
there it closed the deal for for you
coming what what was it now the okay
actually two more questions uh okay now
you now that's it you you you read the
Quran you actually
you started uh uh really feel feeling
remorse uh you started to connect more
with it simple message of only
worshiping the Creator not the creation
uh you came across that Ayah about being
grateful to God to the Creator about
being good to your parents you went out
you you did what Jesus did and he went a
little further it's it's noted in the
Bible and he fell on his face and prayed
to God we recommend for everyone to try
this to just reach out to the Creator
alone it's in the Lord's Prayer actually
calling upon God just just just God Al
alone without any Partners you did that
you wanted to be thankful you made the
prostration and how far from here did uh
after this did you actually accept Islam
submission to the
crater uh well it it was about a six
Monon um Venture about learning about
Islam and I think about two or three
months later I finally took my shahada
like I said very it was reluctantly at
first because I was scared but then of
course learning about my past and my
history and my ancestors it gave me that
courage to find they say okay I don't
care anymore yeah I don't care what
these people think I don't care what the
society thinks this is who I am this is
me yeah and I made that jump I finally
took my shahada I finally gave myself up
to Allah subhana wa tala and for the
next three years
um you know the blessings of Islam I
received many blessings as a result of
coming to Islam but
Society made me pay a very heavy price
yeah and um but alham I got over it and
I finally also took the courage to uh to
leave the United States and to venture
across the other side of the world to
learn about my religion uh formerly so
your your eagerness uh to learn more you
went to a university in Malaysia a
prestigious University in Malaysia and
you're actually doing your this is the
last question you're doing your PhD your
thesis on the delusion of the
anti-islamic state you know D on the
Isis but we say that anti-islamic State
th those who are actually have nothing
to do with Islam you're doing a thesis
on this uh and that's why you're there
getting your PhD uh finish off with this
tell us about that oh okay sure I I'll
try to be as concise as possible um I
came to Malaysia learn about more about
Islam uh I was still doing my education
in philosophy which has helped me
tremendously in dissecting sort of these
ideologies and things that I'm that I've
been you know dealing with uh that I've
been researching and uh you know
actually I had a friend uh back in the
States young kid and I was working at a
DA organization when I was uh rampers
converted and I saw him when he was like
maybe 12 13 or so and uh I learned while
I was in Malaysia a couple years later
that he was attracted to joining Isis
and he got
caught and now he's in jail and that was
actually my first motivation
to okay something needs to be done about
this
topic so I decided to take my
philosophical learning my my learning in
Islamic Studies now I'm doing pH in
Islamic Studies and I decided okay what
is going on here why are these people
doing what they're doing why are they
being extreme why are they hurting
people and um now I'm doing my thesis is
called the delusional state of Isis anti
anti-islamic State uh D and uh I found
um quite remarkably though not
surprisingly that many of their ideas
not are not just not Islamic but are
derived from secular liberal principles
from their former ideology they used to
adopt many of the leaders of Isis are ex
baathist who are a secular Arab
nationalist wow many people don't know
this say that again that many of them
are what 17 for instance of the top
officials are ex baathist meaning that
they they were former secular Arab
nationalists under Saddam Hussein yeah
uh their main architect is [\h__\h] bakar
who was one of the leading Intelligence
Officers for Saddam Hussein uh in other
words these guys are not you know
whatever you want to call them salafi
wahab you know uh you know these they're
farthest from that you can even consider
they don't even understand what they're
doing so you said many of them are
secularist so many of them are
atheists uh I don't know about their
particular theological backgrounds but I
will say that their former ideology they
came from before becoming Isis was
secular Arab nationalism yeah um and a
lot of the principles they have about
Warfare about war Tactics come ex come
from like copy and pasted from Western
textbooks I mean it's not even it's
undeniable if you even read their
treates and things like this there's
nothing about them that could be found
in the sun of the Prophet sallallahu
alaihi wasallam it's it's it's
impossible um
you know and um of course many um
traditional Scholars have come out
against them calling them kage uh you
know they they are very much so um but
that ideology that they use to
perpetuate these these atrocities has
had abely zero to do withl and I'm not
even saying that to perect Islam that's
not my motivation you literally research
the way that they think and what they
write about and and you can find it in
western textbooks word for word in many
respects uhhuh so it's
not it's not uh it's not it's it's not
even
um uh it's it's not debatable yeah in
the sense for instance if you look at
their War tactics and I'm just making
one example I know you don't have much
time one example is that uh their
understanding of of
retaliation um when they say that oh
they kill our civilians so we can kill
their civilians okay first off Islam is
against this completely okay there's
every major scholar has ruled against
this uh especially in the context of the
AY of the Quran Bak when it says you
know um uh fight those who fight you but
do not transgress limits they would say
the limits include not doing what your
enemy does uh beyond the morality of the
Shar so you know do not kill if they
kill your civilians they kill your
family do not kill their family members
do not kill their civilians but you know
people like Osama bin ladin and all
these other people they say well that
rule can be changed
MH that that's not absolute we can
ignore what these other Scholars have
said about that because the West is
doing it to us so we can do it to them
so they're copying and
pasting everything yeah from secular
liberal
societies yeah why do you think when you
see you had the Tigers they were they
were actually uh hind Hindus in that
period from 1980 to 2003 there were
315 completed suicide terrorist attacks
by
462 suicide terrorists who actually
killed themselves I don't mean attempts
these are people who actually killed
themselves the world leader during that
24-year period was not an Islamic group
at all they're the tomal Tigers in Sri
Lanka the toml tigers are a Marxist
group a secular group a Hindu group in
fact over half of those 462 suicide
attackers were purely secular because
you see many uh Muslim suicide terrorist
groups are also P purely secular such as
the pkk in Turkey weren't they they're
Hindu but they're secular Nationals
primarily they're Hindus so so you have
a comparison there but we didn't call we
didn't associate this with the Hindu
religion and they were actually you know
doing suicide bombings you know
terrorism and then you had for instance
the the IRA I mean clear CA Catholics
but we didn't say this is the Catholic
State doing this so now you got there's
a there's even if you go to Ireland
there's an Irish joke there I don't know
if you've heard it goes like this it
says uh so um one of these terrorist Ira
members walks up to an Irishman he goes
are you Catholic or Protestant and the
guy says I'm an atheist he says are you
a Catholic or a Protestant
atheist and then he shoots him so um you
know they don't really care too much for
religion um but you see the hypocrisy
the double standard now you have you
know the these um radical elements the
same as you have in as the old saying
goes the few bad apples in every bunch
and you take these black sheep and you
put them up as if they're you know
representing Islam you don't you don't
see this done as this example in the
tigle tigers with the Hindus or with the
uh the Catholics the IR the Irish
Republican Army who were you know doing
many things you know fighting for their
freedoms and whatnot you don't associate
the whole religion with these terrorist
Acts
right this is the standard though of
secular liberal societies and the way
they view things I mean for instance
like you mentioned we don't take George
Bush Jr who bombed Iraq and Afghanistan
and killed many countless civilians we
don't consider him to be the example of
all
Americans or you know of all the
political you know uh
environment of the United States you
know that would be
unfair but uh and everyone understands
that but when looking on the outside
when they're looking at their enemies
all of a sudden that changes yeah you
you know you know when uh Dr uh Pape
he's actually here and have you heard of
him in in in Chicago some people claim
that religion motivates terrorists
however the academic research of Dr
Robert Pape has proved the claim to be
false uh what I did is I collected the
first complete database of every suicide
terrorist attack around the world since
1980 uh the the first version of this
database uh was uh uh published uh a few
years ago and it went from 1980 to
2003 think of that as like the pre irq
database and then the second version
from 2004 uh on think of that is the
data that's happened since Iraq um and
what the data shows quite clearly is
that uh the principle cause of suicide
terrorism is foreign occupation I mean
why don't they bring on more people like
this is interesting he doesn't suit the
agenda but someone like this who's a
terrorism expert I mean it's why doesn't
he get he's he's not Muslim he's an
expert in terrorism there Dr Pape
University I believe of Chicago if I'm
not mistaken who who is quoted he he
says that you know Islam has little to
nothing to do with these terrorist act
these are all politically motivated uh
because of foreign invasions because you
see if Islam as uh sort of a IAL
religion or if it were just radical
Muslims uh doing this then what you
would expect is sort of this thin veneer
of suicide attack kind of scattered all
around the world uh you would expect
that oh there's 1.4 billion Muslims you
know there's this teeny tiny Fringe of
Muslims kind of everywhere who'd be
willing to do suicide attack uh but
that's not the way the data looks it's
really concentrated and it's really
concentrated in occupations do you know
about his about his work yeah and many
other researchers actually have have
echoed those points but the problem is
the reason he's not popular the reason
that people don't want to put him in the
mainstream is for mainly because if you
start saying that it's not the other
person's fault then you have to start
looking on the inside ah and nobody
wants to do
that so uh I'm we're going a little bit
over I think we're going to have to make
this a a double segment I'm really
enjoying talking to you uh I I was I'm
thinking you know these people these
these radicals who come on these you
know why you being a philosophy major
someone who's a specialist in there you
get into the psyche of human beings
wouldn't it help if you wanted to solve
the problem Ali that you brought on
mainstream musl people who are out there
representing Orthodox Islam submission
to the Creator not the creation you know
um and bring them on Fox News bring them
on CNN if there are lost souls which are
there in every Community let us have the
platform to call them back and to really
show what Islam is about instead people
are out there like why don't you condemn
as this common Mantra which I mean we
don't have the platform to do so and
then you have these so-called experts
out there who seem to be representing
Islam so now you have this thug-like
mentality this gang mentality this guy
and niece and these other places who are
at nightclubs you know beating their
wives uh doing everything opposite
basically of Islam now they go and do
something you know it's like they joined
the Gang now they're like already being
discriminated his name is already
Muhammad and now he's learning um about
Islam through these radical you know uh
um politicians and whatnot so he starts
to think like maybe this is my religion
right so it's us against them you foll
me and then he jumps on and he does some
crazy thing you get you get what I'm
saying so I think they ra they end up
radicalizing more people themselves
these these socalled you know uh um
rization even by itself is is quite uh
is very vague it doesn't really explain
anything because the bottom line is that
the reason that these kids or these
youth are becoming like
this and I I know this is going to sound
controversial but is because there are
very much not radicals um they're very
much actually very normal people within
the context of the societies they live
in uh no person living in a secular
liberal Society who follow secular
liberal standards would think that it's
a bad thing to fight for wants Freedom
or to fight against a tyrannical
government or military with any means
necessary they only don't like it when
they're the
oppressors and the Rebels on the other
side now this doesn't of course ex
excuse killing civilians obviously this
is horribly wrong but if you're going to
be a society that does not blink an eye
or is apathetic or is passive or in for
many extremes uh is supportive of the
thousands of civilians that your
military is slaughtering overseas and
you cannot be surprised that some people
within that Society who are having an
identity crisis will
copy those tactics yeah um so the reason
they won't bring on the mainstream and I
mentioned this earlier is because it
would cause them to have to do a bit of
introspection which for many human
beings whether individualistically or or
as a society is almost
possibility um France is going through
that right now as well they did a recent
report I don't know if you heard this is
quite fascinating but most of the
foreign Fighters joining Isis are coming
from french- speaking countries wow
why uh well the reason is if you looking
at it objectively is that because French
secularism is quite aggressive and
there's a lot of racism within the
societies against
minorities uh however French populations
don't really want to listen to this part
because that means they have to critique
themselves and change themselves so
instead they prefer to retaliate and
bomb for the nce
attacks for instance after the nce
attacks occurred you know they struck
Isis and killed 126
civilians um so this is this is a
Perpetual cycle
because because the society was sort of
promoting not PR but provoking these
reactions in many ways I'm not saying
that the innocent people not don't know
what's going on it's only about just the
governments and the militaries the
people in
power they they don't want to look at
themselves and say okay what am I
doing what am I doing that is poking The
Hornet's Nest or why am I poking The
Hornet's
Nest you know they they don't want to do
this and um anytime anyone brings up
these things or tries to have a b
approach they're considered somebody
who's trying to justify terrorism or
Justify you know extremism and and the
whole conversation gets
shut
but my simple answer to this is this if
you want extremism to stop you need to
stop extremism at home and I'm not
talking about your neighbor who wears a
hijab talking about the policies that
your governments are are perpetuating
across the
world uh Dr one of my guests former
guest Dr Jonathan Brown he's here in
Jonathan Professor Jonathan Brown from I
believe geord toown University he really
uh talks about this a lot they don't
they they they hear so much about
Muslims and violence Isis and all this
stuff you look at the number of people
Isis I don't like Isis okay I don't
support Isis um you know there's lots of
things they do that are absolutely
unacceptable but if you look at the
number of people let's say that the
Egyptian government now has in prison
number of people that the Egyptian
government killed since the coup of 2013
I mean you're talking about thousands
and thousands of civilians you know
maybe dozens of thousands of people in
prison are wrongly being tortured and
raped in prison I mean is you know know
what what's the difference between that
and Isis really I mean you know you're
talking about governments or or
organizations that kill thousands of
innocent people imprison or or torture
thousands of innocent people but no one
thinks about you here's how bad is is
they don't think about other things that
you so they're convinced that somehow
Islam leads to these evils but there's
exactly the same number of evils or
amount of evil being done by something
that's absolutely that's not justified
by Islam at all or not even attempting
to justify itself so uh I I think this
is you know Isis exists because the
United States invaded Iraq and destroyed
all the institutions of that country and
left it a complete mess that's that's a
fact okay uh Isis doesn't exist because
of Islam because Islam was in Iraq
before 2003 and there was no Sunni
extremist there was no Sunni terrorism
there was no Isis before 2003 this
result this emerged in Iraq at because
of the United States Invasion that's
what caused Isis Islam didn't cause Isis
but if you look at the US media it's
obsessed with getting people to talk
about is Islam the cause of Isis is Isis
because of Islam why does it do that
because the function of media and
government is to prevent people from
actually in this case prevent them from
actually reflecting on the actual causes
of this phenomenon which is United
States unjust
warmongering because if people sat there
and said wait a second we got talk in
invading this country it was a total
disaster now we have this Isis business
then they might say hm maybe we
shouldn't go and invade countries the
next time were're asked by our
government to support a war uh that's
not what the kind of uh Power Elites or
the military media industrial complex
wants they don't want people thinking
like that so they have to sit and and
place the focus on some other cause oh
this is because of Islam they don't want
Americans actually thinking about really
causes these things so when I when I
when I I tell you know Muslims or even
non-muslims about this is don't be
Bamboozled by what you see on TV it's
very simple I mean I know it's obvious
but just because people say stuff a lot
on TV doesn't make it true um and also I
had um another professor from uh Lola uh
Professor Omar and they talk about how
Isis uh these extreme radical groups
they didn't even exist before many of
these uh they didn't even exist at one
time this is us right this happened as a
consequence of the unjust Wars the the
war mongering and and um you know this
is a result of that obviously Islam
doesn't uh condone killing of innocent
men women and children but this is the
these These are the the consequences of
that exactly and you know Fox News is
not going to is not going to explain it
like this you know they they may say oh
yeah we made a mistake in Iraq but they
kind of just act like it was a bad joke
they don't even they don't have any sort
of real
remorse that that should be there they
don't they don't want any real change in
this respect um and and you're right
you're right uh everyone who has who has
looked at this subjectively says yeah
yes without if it had not been for the
Iraq War Isis would not be here but
these these uh these so-called experts
in mainstream are saying well no they
just opened the Quran one day and all of
a sudden they want to kill people that's
crazy that's their argument in a
nutshell oh they read the Quran and now
they want to kill people it's like what
I I recommend our brother he's got a
great book um because I often say Yahya
em I say if you don't if you don't want
to remain an idiot because you got to be
a complete idiot to think that Islam has
anything to do with such evil acts like
that right so I recommend and we we'll
finish off with that the complete idiots
guy to understanding Islam you think
that's a good place to start you know
brother Yahya em yeah yeah I do not not
personally but I know FMS yeah great
book start off with this real simple
keep it easy because uh again you got to
be a complete idiot to think that Islam
is promoting these evil actions is that
a fair assessment brother that is a fair
assessment uh very fair assessment
uh thank you very much wonderful story
inshallah God willing we look forward to
uh uh having you back again on a Dean
show what do you think thank you so much
I I I'd really be great actually you
know there's a lot to talk about so and
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