alhamdulillah peace be with you thank
you for tuning in to the deam your host
and this week you know that we know that
there are more women coming to this way
of life this way of life that provides
peace happiness contentment
satisfaction and when you die you have
your place in Jenna Paradise because
you're living according to to the way
that your creator wants you to live and
there's always a void in the heart when
people they have money they have an
Entourage of friends and they're in the
nightclubs and you know they're models
and they're celebrities but there's
always that void you're never contemp
you're never satisfied until you find
the truth until you find the purpose of
life and Alisa Kim who's our next guest
she was a model she was in that High
Society lifestyle but she wasn't
happy and she didn't just satisfy for a
little she wanted more she wanted a lot
more she wanted that peace that money
can't buy she's founded in Islam and
more women like I said are coming to
Islam so we're going to hear from a
woman why she decided
to accept Islam why is she observing
hijab and her story is something so
motivating you don't want to miss it
we'll be right back with Alisa Kim here
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theam alum peace be with
youum how are you alhamdulillah I'm very
well brother how are you good thank God
alhamdulillah I'd like to thank you
personally and I'm sure our audience is
very excited to have you here on the
dean show as well h no worries my
pleasure my honor as well tell us has
the dean show reached your
town definitely I mean there are many
fans of the dean show here some of my
close friends are very excited that I'm
going to be speaking well that I am
speaking to you right now so mashah tell
us a little bit about your life before
Islam well um life before Islam um I was
a Christian raised in a religious
Christian
family um was you know good so-called
good Christian girl I went to church I
you know I prayed all this kind of thing
but it it was still very much the um you
know Christians still can do many things
that Muslims cannot do of course you
know I I could still get away with a lot
of things or forgetting to pray kind of
thing but um my occupation also before
this was not exactly
islamically uh inclined I was a model
and also an actress um in Thailand I was
modeling in America for a while as well
um coming from that kind of background
into Islam is also kind of a journey
especially with the whole putting on the
hijab and everything but um yeah before
before Islam I wouldn't say that I was
you know a party goer and you know um
doing all these kinds of so-called
socially unacceptable things you know
but um I was always kind of a person who
was um uh reserved and who liked
religion but didn't really know what
religion I should you know which way I
should go because I I believed in God
definitely believed in God but I was
searching for something that had more
Purity cuz um you know being someone who
likes religion and always grounded
myself in religion I came to a point
where I wanted to know what is the truth
which one is the true church the one
true church that I can count on and I
can you know I can feel Purity from
because there's 200 or more than 200
nominations in the Christian church now
so um it kind of started from there you
know um where what is what is the true
church what is the true calling what is
the pure way that I should be worshiping
God and so on and so forth so yeah so
that's that's how I actually came to
start thinking about Islamic tell us
real important question at what point in
your life did you really start
contemplating about the purpose of life
well um I I guess for for many it's
along the same lines as many people you
know you face a life struggle or crisis
in life and that's exactly what happened
to me um everyone has a different
struggle in life and for me it was two
years ago when I had many things coming
in at me at the same time and I felt
like my life was just spinning out of
hand and you know um I had had just you
know jumped out of one problem into
another problem and wanting a new a new
kind of lifestyle and testing new
Lifestyles and finding that it was just
not right for me and feeling very out of
control so at that point I I really felt
like I wasn't myself and I wanted to be
myself and I didn't know who I was so it
was at that point really that I started
to search again but um again I was a
Christian before so at that time I
wanted to ground myself in religion as a
Christian so um but again like I said
before I didn't find what I wanted I
didn't find something that I found to be
the most pure so it was at that time
when I I needed that grounding I wanted
the grounding that I didn't find it that
I started to search for something else
tell us also your experience as far as
going back into the roots of
Christianity you really want to dig deep
because you really really were sincerely
earnestly wanting to know if this was
the truth or not yes yes well um yeah
well you know I'm I'm a very I would say
that I'm a very academic person you know
I when I was in school that I just about
if I could be a professional student
that would be great so I I kind of took
this on you know looking for um what I'm
supposed to be doing you know what
religion am I supposed to be how am I
supposed to be practicing my religion I
took it on as an academic exercise so I
went to um the bookstore and I bought a
whole stack of books you know wanting to
really know the truth um wanting to read
um but I took it um from a a
non-religious um point of view first so
I got um
uh historical books um books on the
Bible books on Christian history but
from a very um historian point of view
so um I I I read the history uh and I
mean some of the stories I knew already
some some of the stories um made me feel
uncomfortable because of course there
were the Crusades and there was so much
Bloodshed that I just felt so
uncomfortable why if this religion is
supposed to be correct why do you have
to kill killed so many people why do you
have to force so many people into it so
I I didn't quite like that too much so I
I left the Christian history aside for a
while because it made me feel very
uncomfortable then I went into a study
of um the different languages thinking
that maybe if I could read the different
um Scrolls or the different ancient
manuscripts then I could be on the right
path then at that point I was you know
me me being me and me being very I'm the
perfectionist type I need to know
everything I thought maybe I have to go
learn Arabic I have to go learn Aramaic
I have to go learn all the ancient
languages so I can read the manuscripts
and compare them for myself without
being Lost in Translation but Subhan
Allah um at that time I was also given a
booklet that came just in time because
it did all of that for me so I I got to
read you know the comparisons of many
words that could have been lost in
translation for example um the phrase
Son of God having to do with Prophet
Esau or or um Jesus the word sun in
Arabic or Aramaic which is these two
languages are very close together that
word Sun can actually be translated
either as son or slave yeah so it could
either be Son of God or slave of God so
when when I got more clarity and the
Linguistics that helped me a bit on my
search as well so then I I moved away
from the history I moved away from the
Linguistics and then I was looking more
at the theories you know I got to a
point where I thought wow there there
are some theories in Christian theology
that that doesn't really gel with me
that I don't really understand as deeply
as I would have liked and maybe I didn't
really believe in them like I should or
maybe I shouldn't so I was thinking
about that as well for example Trinity
Trinity never really jelled in me um
even though I came from a religious
Christian family it was just a concept
that I mean to me now I feel like it's
because Allah was really protecting me
that all these things didn't actually
implant into my brain yeah I always
believed in God but I always felt that
the Son of God or Jesus was apart from
him you know they they were connected in
some way but God is God son is son you
know like father is father son is son
it's separate so that didn't really gel
for me I didn't I never really got that
and then there are other aspects of even
um the crucifixion that I I couldn't
quite accept I couldn't accept for
example um if there is some rapist out
there who believed in who believes in
Jesus does he really go to heaven with
the rest of the Christians who are
striving so hard to keep themselves good
I mean is there no um justice system in
that or you just have to believe in
Jesus and that's it I couldn't quite
accept that as well so so that that led
me to more research so I was doing very
much an academic from academic research
from topic to topic you know so um I
went I went quite deep CU I I I really
needed to know for myself um I'm one of
those people who who won't I won't jump
into something without knowing as much
as I can making not only educated but
very much um a moral um Choice as well
you know I don't want I never want to
choose anything without fully
understanding and knowing and feeling it
in my heart as
well word can't have defects in it can
it if it is literally God's word yes it
cannot have defects
I me but this was written by men we know
that this is a collection right even if
you have Matthew Mark Luke and John The
Gospel According to according to right
um the thing about the Quran and the
biggest and and you know I'll leave you
with this is the biggest thing for me is
if the Quran is exactly what it says it
is and this doesn't matter whether
you're Muslim or not if the Quran is
what it says it is the Quran is
literally the word of God delivered via
Gabriel to Muhammad who was an
unlettered man who couldn't read or
right right and he was just to recite
right that was the first thing right
first thing he was told recite right um
so if it is literally the word of God
then that's pretty important to me and
and before I became Muslim I said if
this is the word of
God then I'm going to follow it because
I'd be stupid not
to I am not afraid to stand alone if I
am not afraid to stand
alone I am not afraid to stand alone if
Lies by side I am not afraid to stand
alone I am not afraid to stand alone if
a li by I not afid stand
alone tell us along your way did you
look at any other
religions well along the way I been
exposed to many religions um you know uh
my family in Thailand um a lot of them
are Buddhists um that's what most highes
are so I've been exposed all my life to
Buddhism actually um uh I know a few
Hindus as well of course um there were
many um Jewish folks that grew up with
me in Boston so I I knew some of these
other religions and I knew um the Jewish
religion and um the Christian religion
and the Islamic religions they were
connected in some way but it wasn't
until two years two years ago or maybe
one and a half years ago when I started
reading that I actually knew that they
had the same background I didn't
actually know that Islam came from the
same abrahamic Roots as Christianity and
J Judaism so um yeah it was kind of an
eye opener but I did look at a few other
things but I never I mean I never really
got deep into them because I believe in
God I I sincerely and very much deeply
believed in God so I wouldn't ever look
into anything more more than Judaism
Christianity and Islam Le I know this is
a sensitive um topic for a lot of people
and we never want to disparage on
anybody never want to intentionally put
any other religion down that that's not
our agenda or goal but many people
attribute violence to
Islam and you had mentioned in your
search that you found a a history
of violence and Christianity so some
people might say hey you got it mixed up
it's actually Islam is the violent
religion and Christianity is all about
love so what what what would you can you
expound on this a little bit
more um yeah sure well I can only help
understand it from my point of view but
I'm taking it away from historical
because I think not many people can
relate to that already the the whole
Bloodshed in terms of Christianity has
you know has passed it's it's centuries
ago
but I think a lot of people see Islam as
violent now is because of the recent um
past so you know 911 and everything that
came after that so that's why people are
thinking wow Islam is so violent all
these things but you have to remember um
in every religion not not just Islam but
also um Christianity and all other
religions there are you know
practitioners of
every of every end of the spectrum and
everything in between so there are going
to be good Muslims and bad Muslims
that's just the truth there are good
good Christians and bad Christians there
there are good people and bad people in
in in every religion so um you know
basing a whole religion on what a group
of people do on a small group even a
group of people do is I mean that I
don't see that as fair you know I was
very blessed to grow up in a family with
a father who always taught me not to
hate and always to look at other angles
and you know have a open mind a a bigger
Vision than than what I see on
television or what I hear from other
people and that's what I kept in in my
mind so I I thought you know this is
just bad people I mean I can't just base
a whole group and a whole religion just
on this small group of people and as you
know I did more research Islam is such a
peaceful religion Islam preaches nothing
more than peace because Islam means
peace you know it comes from the root of
or one of the Roots is Salam it means
peace you know when we say asalam
alaykum and in these movies there when
someone says assalam alayum it's the bad
guy but actually they're saying peace be
unto you so it's kind of an oxymoron to
me when I see that now get getting back
to the whole violence bit again if if
you just very simply if you just go to
YouTube and you Google a few key people
you will see that Islam even to captives
of the Taliban I mean there is a a lady
journalist um I don't remember her name
at the moment but she was a cap she was
a captive of the Taliban and this was
supposedly um the most cruel regime in
the world at that time but clearly she
was you know her story is that you know
they treated her so well they treated
her so well and one of the things that
you know she promised them if she got
out and and she did without being touch
at all even given new clothes and all
these things is that she will read the
Quran and she did and she remembers you
know the people who had held her captive
and and how respectful they are and she
read the Quran and she is now a Muslim
now if if if the most hated and scary
regime in the world is violent and
oppressive and torturing people why
would someone you know who was a captive
say all of these things and then you
look at all of the you know American
Military and UK military who were in
Afghanistan all these places in um in
the Middle East who are reverting or
converting to Islam why would they do
that if they didn't see something that
all of us or everyone else who just only
sees media didn't see you know so there
there are these evidences that you know
if you just open your mind and open your
heart a little bit more just to see wow
it is it true is are all these stories
really true that it's really violent and
you know all this media that's feeding
into me is it really that violent
challenge yourself to go and really
search and get the truth you know
because not everything that is being fed
to you you know on the media is the
truth so these people did take up the
challenges soldiers were put into a
specific situation where they had to mix
with the Muslims there and you know of
course um know there are other people
that I I even know of that were
challenged by their Christian friends to
go and find out why Christianity is
better than Islam and then they find out
that Islam is better and have become
Muslims so you know um all these things
to me is it's just you know it's just
part of media and if someone is is open
enough to go and see fors they will see
that Islam is just so peaceful there's
there's just so so many stories out
there that you you you just can't deny
it mallah alhamdulillah so now you've
accepted Islam submission to the Creator
not the creation you're a Muslim you're
one who's doing the the will of the
Creator and obviously there's some
guidelines there's some there's a lot
more structure in Islam you got to pray
five times a day amen of them you can
pray more obviously there's uh you're
you're constantly developing yourself
with all these things that the Creator
wants us to do that are a blessing for
us and you you can't just do your own
thing you got that modest way of dress
you have the um the character
development constantly it's from A to Z
from when you go to sleep to when you
wake up everything is laid out in Islam
some people look at this as you know a
burden how is it to you we know it's a
blessing it's not a burden but how how
was it for you in the beginning all of
the structure and the guidelines talk to
us about
this um actually um for for me like you
like you mentioned um I like I like
structure I like guidance I never
thought that you know being able to do
everything that I wanted to do was
correct because what if I'm doing the
wrong thing so I I actually like these
guidelines and for for me um for example
the five at first I mean it's a
challenge for um anyone starting to
practice um Islam for the first time I
mean the the Arabic is the challenge the
remembering to pray is the challenge the
having the concentration is the
challenge it's you know but but for me I
I liked it because I was praying a lot
already as a Christian it's just that it
wasn't structured and and so having the
prayer being mandatory and having this
relationship with um Allah being um
alive all the time and constant in my
life gives me extreme Comfort I love
going into my Salah times you know
because that's my time to talk to Allah
tell him what's going on you know ask
him for help or maybe you know give him
praise for whatever good thing that just
happens I mean I really enjoy my my so a
lot of times even though at first of
course you know Arabic was really hard
for me trying to recite things in Arabic
but you know over time and with some
guidance from good brothers and sisters
and also the teachers you know it comes
a little bit bit faster once you really
set your mind to it and as far as you
know other changes for example um
dressing actually I I I like being more
covered I actually now I feel more like
myself you know um coming from a tight
background my ethnicity um my mother let
never really let me out of the house
without long sleeves and long pants
anyway so it's not as though I was
totally out anyway but now it's just it
just feels more comfortable I don't have
to be self-conscious about my body
figure you know I don't have to worry
about you know what's my what is my hair
going to look like you know what is that
person going to think of me not being in
style whatever whatever it is that you
know the world puts on you but now it's
more okay I'm going to leave the house
um I look decent I think I look I look
fine but does Allah do do I think that
Allah you know likes what I'm wearing
you know so it's a very different kind
of thought and and and and all this kind
of ties into you know knowing that you
have a purpose in life you know you're
here to please Allah so that when you go
off to the Hereafter you you you've got
it made there I mean you have everything
there this is just a test and if you do
well here you're going to do well on the
last day that that's all that you have
to think about now as before it was just
like every which way I don't know what
direction I'm in now I have Direction
now I have some guidelines of what I'm
supposed to do and you know and and it
makes sense to me um that when when I
feel guilty or if I feel um something am
Miss that's my reminder from Allah that
hey hey watch it watch it there there's
something a little bit wrong you got to
change a little bit I mean I like that
having that you know little reminder so
I I I feel very good when I'm able to
follow and I'm able to you know feel
like I'm pleasing Allah it it it's a
very sweet feeling it's a really sweet
feeling so for for me all all the
struction has has been comforting you
know I don't think there's a better word
than that very comforting I don't have
to guess and I don't have to wonder am I
doing the right thing am I going the
right way because if I'm following the
guidelines which is actually they
they're actually not that difficult then
I feel comforted that I'm doing the
right thing and going the right
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way take that simple step that you ask
your maker to guide you that he'll guide
you yes I I I advise this a lot uh so
for people are searching put your head
on the
floor in the in the in the state of
frustration like all the prophets did
and asked the creator of the universe to
show you the way to guide you to the
straight path and someone who sincerely
asks for guidance subh they found it in
Islam that's it
okay we only got a few minutes left so
in the last question tell us what would
you say we as men we're always saying
look talk to the Muslim women talk to
the Muslim women because people have
this false Persona that Islam oppresses
the women blah blah blah blah blah blah
blah blah all this just garbage so now
we have a Muslim woman one who's
fighting to wear hijab she gets up every
day you know with all of the baloney
phony
false phony
media she's still wearing the hijab so
now that you have their ear you know for
the people who are like okay Islam
presses women take off the hijab sister
come on you can do it but you actually
want to do it you know what would you
say to them well um I think they have to
put themselves in the shoes of the
person who's wearing the hijab first not
looking from the outside because for a
person who's wearing the hijab they've
chosen to do that they haven't been um
forced to do anything wearing the hijab
actually is taking you out out of
Oppression to me because I was a model
you know I based my self-worth on what
people thought of me and how I looked
and how my body looked you know that's
where I got myself wor if you know if I
posted a picture in Facebook and I got
however many lights that makes me feel
good and that validates how how good I
am now that actually now being dressed
in full hijab and wearing my head scar
takes me completely out of that because
people no longer objectify me they no
longer see me just because of my figure
or my beauty they don't you know judge
my style all they see now is my
personality and my brains what more
Liberation can you have than that you
know when you say that Muslim women are
oppressed you have to think of it in a
different way you have to look at it
from the Muslim wom's point of view not
from The Outsiders point of view yes it
might seem like wow they're really you
know um covering their women and and you
know keeping them at home how horrible
is that but these women are not being
forced this is something they willingly
do it's a it's wearing the hijab for a
Muslim woman is act of worship and is a
Act of protection it's a protection from
her being objectified and and made as a
sexual object and like I said now that I
now that I'm dressed this way I feel a
load that has been taking off of my
shoulders I don't have to worry about
being sexy I don't have to worry about
wearing the latest style I don't have to
worry about how many people are looking
at me when I'm walking down the street
now what I I worry about is if I'm
representing myself well if my character
is being shown how am I um conveying my
thoughts I want people to see me now and
people do See Me Now give me more
respect give me um more dignity I have
more dignity now because people see my
character and see my education and see
my intellect listen to me and not just
look at
me so for the people who are saying that
the hijab is oppressive no it's not it's
the most liberating thing that a woman
can do covering up this
beauty is not something that is
oppressing it's actually liberating
that's all I can say it's it's it's the
best thing that I've done in a long
time aside from the shahada of course
mashah alhamdulillah that's why we say
go to the Muslim woman talk to the
Muslim woman because I don't think any
man could have said it better than that
so you've heard it from the Muslim woman
and we thank you so much for all those
people who are searching who are
deep down inside they're trying to fill
that void with drugs money rock and roll
sex all the other things and they to
hear your story you went through all of
that inspiring actress model and you
came to the truth you really you know
took a a scientific academic approach
and you've concluded that Islam delivers
the truth it's from the Creator not the
creation it's not organized by man or
men organized by the creator of mankind
who sent Islam as a Mercy to Mankind
submission to the will of the Creator
not the the creation thank you so much
hopefully people will get to benefit
from your story people who are searching
for the purpose of life they want to
live the purpose of life they found it
here at the deel thank you so much
sister thank youa thank you for having
me on the show made a crator of the
heavens and earth make you steadfast and
make your story a story that benefits so
many people all over the globe thank you
so much asalam Alum peace be with
you so that was Lisa Kim inspiring
actress model found peace and purpose in
Islam and you could find the same thing
that she found you just got to clear
your mind of all the junk that you've
been told media all these false
stereotypes and just ask the Creator to
guide you because I mean look who's
going to give you the guidance other
than the one who created you so if you
ask you shall shall receive but if you
just keep worrying about you know what
you're going to wear for the to the
nightclub you know you want to be like
Tom Cruise you want to be like 50 cents
you want to be like you know all these
other people who are just really they're
uh taking you away from the purpose of
life you know they're taking you down
the wrong way towards misery misery
loves company so you're in the company
of those who are miserable from the
outside everybody looks good for the
picture it's all smiles or for the 3
four minute music video but inside you
don't get to see all of the pain that
people are feeling so you tune into to
the dean show and you want to go from
Pain to pleasure to feeling good really
having contentment Solace and that's
what our sister found and over 1.8
billion people all over the globe that's
what we find in Islam Islam provides the
proof and the evidence that you can know
for sure that it's the truth it's not
Blind flate Faith No Islam you can touch
it you can feel it we have the Quran
verb and word of God you can look into
it scientific Miracles how you were born
the description of the embryo everything
science is there these are signs for the
person who wants to know so as the last
and final messenger sent to mankind of
pro Muhammad peace be upon him he said
that for the one who calls someone to
good will have the reward equivalent to
the one who does the good sah Muslim
this is an authentic Hadith so you know
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