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alhamdulillah alaykum peace be unto you
welcome to another episode of the dean
show and today bringing you another
great topic up for discussion we're
bringing in our good friend who's been
with us this week on The Dean show
former Christian minister preacher Shake
Yousef Esther sit right there don't move
and we'll be right back on the dean show
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Allah is enough for me
handsome
you Allah is
enough welcome back to the dean show I'm
your host Eddie and in the dean show
Studio our special
guest I thank you again for being with
us sh Yousef
EST what kind of topic do we have today
can God be a Shake can God be a man we
have to get right down to it and we got
to explain to the to the audience
because people are taking rocks as God
sticks as God uh money as God and they
taken a man as God is this
possible first of all let's talk about
something in general let us agree before
we start even having a discussion what
is rational and what's irrational age
all right and when I point this way and
I say okay this is up and you say yes
okay that's up and when I point like
this I say this is down you say okay
this is down now during the discussion
if you said well this could also be
down or this could also be up I'm going
to say okay that's the end of the
rational discussion yeah have a nice day
I got things to do up is up down is down
yeah well there's some basic things when
you talk about something in a rational
discussion that go Undisputed you just
it yeah you set parameters before we
begin the discussion when you say God
what do you talk about okay and if
you're talking about something that's
limited something that is uh human
something that's uh then for me this is
not God it's as simple as that because
if you want to talk about God and you're
talking about the one who is the Creator
God that set everything into Motion in
the beginning the one who is the
sustainer the Creator the one who is uh
all knowledgeable we're going to talk
about the epitome of the qualities or
attributes of this God that he is not he
doesn't just know he's all
knowing he doesn't just hear he's all
hearing and he doesn't just have
knowledge he is all knowledge so if you
understand it from that perspective then
when you begin your logical discussion
your rational uh communication on the
subject you're going to be able to say
all right this would work and this
wouldn't work but if you don't set the
parameters in the beginning then the
discussion goes crazy you can say
anything you want to you can say you're
god well go go ahead and say that but
what it doesn't make it happen it's like
playing a ball game with no rules now no
F uh foul lines or nothing we got to
make sure we stay in the perimeters like
you said I remember I'm from Texas I
remember years ago someone said to me
would you like to learn how to play a
new kind of Poker I said poker this is a
card game they said yeah yeah they said
we got a new kind it's called as you go
poker I said as you go they said yeah I
make the rules as you go no doesn't work
so we made the rules now if you say up
up down down yeah okay all right now
when we're talking about God if you're
saying God meaning the one who created
everything quite obviously he's not the
creation and doesn't need to go in his
creation it doesn't make any sense even
a human and we're not comparing God to a
human but if a human makes a computer
and he has a problem with it he doesn't
crawl into the software and try to work
in for that doesn't work like that
that's nuts no and how about the lord of
the universe when you realize that that
we as human beings are tiny compared
even to a tree or how about a tree
compared to a mountain or a mountain
compared to the Earth or the Earth
compared to the Sun or the sun compared
to the the solar system or the solar
system we're in compared to other solar
systems which are much bigger there are
Suns which are many times bigger than
our son and then within that you've got
your galaxies and these galaxies are
huge and within that all gets bigger and
bigger now you're talking about the
Milky Way now they tell us even the
Milky Way doesn't cover everything and
it goes beyond and Beyond and you're
talking about the one who created all of
this and how in the world are you going
to
compare this God to something tiny and
miscle here on the planet that's an
insult disgusting now and once we've
established that now let's talk about in
particular a man if somebody said God
could be a man then The Logical
statement following that should be then
why can't he also be a woman I've
thought about that why not and if they
said God is a
man then where did he come from what
color was he that's a good point what
language did he speak there's another
good point and how tall is he you see
you have to start defining God no yeah
and and immediately you'll have somebody
who'll go irrational on you here and
they say well yeah but he's God he can
do anything well this is another problem
does God do anything is God Without
Limits can have you said well God has no
limits okay from a human standpoint that
will not make sense and an atheist can
shoot you down immediately very easy he
can simply ask you does God have any
limits and you say no can God do
anything he's setting you up and you're
saying that's right is there anything
God cannot do he's got three questions
to get you to the only three questions
and you're up against the wall and you
don't even see it coming mhm is God
Without Limits you bet can God do
anything bet is there anything God
cannot do can God do anything yes
absolutely emphatically mhm okay can he
die now for some they will say yes
because they'll say their God died on
the cross or their God died for me or
something like this but to someone who's
really thinking about he's going to go
uh no the real God can die is that true
uh can God die how about this leave that
one alone can he
cheat can God
lie can God trick you because if you say
yes to that one then how do you know
you're on the right way how do you know
if God can trick you maybe the whole
thing's a big trick
huh sounds like that poker game the guy
was trying to make as you go as you as
you go just go along and change
everything and play with people's brain
but in reality the only way that a human
being could come to know or let's forget
a human being anything within the
creation could never understand the
Creator this is
impossible because that which is
subjected to something bigger is not
going to be able to control that or
manage it because this is this doesn't
make sense yes ooh
ooh check this
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out welcome to the dean show and another
episode of the mayil bag and questions
from you a question if God can do
everything then why can't he be Jesus as
a man who came to die for our
sins some people ask this question and
this question actually to answer it we
have to know the characteristics of God
the creator of the heavens and the Earth
he is the most just he's the most
merciful nothing is the like of him and
he's the all hearer the all Seer and
he's capable of all things so his
attributes cannot be contradicting to
one another so if he's capable of all
things he's still someone that is the
most just so can we say that since he's
capable of all things then why can't he
be injust
can he perform Injustice against people
this is not a valid question because
there's no contradiction between one
attribute and the other so he's capable
of all things yes but he's nothing is
the like of him because he's the most
perfect the creation with their way of
being created that are in need of the
Creator they eat and drink and they have
to relieve themselves they have pain and
things of that nature which does not
beit the creator of the heavens and the
Earth so that's why God Allah the
creator of the heavens and the Earth did
not come in the form of a human being he
does not need for such a thing if people
claim that he come in the form of a
human being for the Forgiveness of their
sins he's the most forgiver he has the
capability if we say that he is capable
of all things he's the most powerful
then part of this is that he forgives
people and that's it if people turns to
him alone seeking forgiveness there is
no need for such a thing to happen just
forgive their sins because he's capable
of all things why would he have a son
and send his son people have son because
they have deficiencies but this is not
the case when it comes to the creator of
the heavens and the Earth and what about
the people that were present before
Jesus those who died in the state of sin
would they be doomed in the Hell Fire
forever because Jesus was not living at
their time because he came as people
claim to die for the sins of the people
it doesn't make sense and plus if it's
true if it's true as it says in the
Quran in one of the
verses which means say oh Muhammad
sallallahu alaihi wasallam if the most
merciful has a son I would be the first
to worship him but this is not true and
what's the evidence and the proofs that
this is the case there's no evidence God
refuted this claim and it's clearly a
deficiency and again there's no
contradiction between one attribute and
the other so God is the the most just
there's no need for such a thing to
happen if people would turn to a
creation if they turn to Jesus then what
would make them not believe in another
creation someone would come and say I'm
another Son of God and someone would say
I'm a third Son of God and worship me I
come and I suffer for you what would
stop the people from believing in him
there's no evidence in such a thing
right so that's why what compare this
beliefs to the belief there is Jesus was
a prophet of God a human being that has
the characteristics and the qualities of
a human being but a messenger of God
aided by Miracles and everything from
God nothing is the like of the creator
of the heavens and the Earth and that's
where we turn to alone and we worship
him alone and we do not worship a
creation present the two arguments to
someone that is away from all forms of
religion which one would you choose I
think the answer is clear the the normal
ways to believe in the Creator and the
heavens of and the Earth and that his
attributes and this is the main key is
not contradictory to one another he's
the most merciful he's the most just he
is the most powerful and he's the most
wise there's no wisdom in such a thing
that did not even prove itself to be
true so we call everyone to worship the
creator of the heavens and the Earth the
creator of Jesus the Lord of Jesus the
Lord of Moses and the Lord of prophet
Muhammad and our Lord to worship him
alone that he has the perfect names and
attributes he has no son he has not
begotten he would not depend on anyone
he does not have a wife he does not have
what these individuals and the human
beings have he nothing is the like of
him and he's the all hearer the all Seer
and we ask Allah subhana to make us see
the truth and to hold fast to the
truth you being a former Christian
minister you actually used to believe
that God was a
man I would have probably done the
irrational thing with you and said well
yes and
no because when you answer a question
with yes and no you canceled out both
sides of it already and you're going to
give a irrational answer that's why you
say that well yes and no yes this but no
that okay could God be a man well it the
not God God but a a form of the god a
part of the God but not the whole God
kindy of get in a sticky web over here
well yeah because if you say God's a man
okay he's walking on the earth yeah
who's running the rest of the universe
huh well he had it on automatic pilot
you go automatic
pilot they had automatic pilot said well
you know God has whatever he wants to
have you know he can put it on
autopilot where do you get this stuff
from well you can say that uh a form of
God a spirit of the god well how many
spirits has he got we didn't know he
could have a a bunch of spirits okay so
how you going argue with that but uh the
contention now of the Muslim is this
that the only way the human is going to
know God is by revelation God reveals
himself through what we call scripture
or Revelation and has done so since time
of Memorial and we know this it's
evidenced by the many manuscripts that
have been found and discovered around
the planet they don't all match because
they're not Originals none of these are
Originals many of them are copies of
copies of copies many of them are
translations of copies and things like
this but it's enough and suffice to say
that we know there were original
manuscripts we know there were original
Revelations and we know based on so many
of the the continuity of so many of them
that you can compare that yes there was
Revelation that came from God does it
exist in the original format we're going
to say no as do most of the real
Scholars of the Bible say no
in fact recently Bart eron if you've
perhaps heard of him one of the biblical
Scholars has some books out on Borders
Books and Music at Barnes & Noble
amazon.com by the way do you get any
cutback or royalty from these guys if I
mentioned their names or anything no oh
darn I thought maybe so they can go to
these places and look for a book called
misquoting Jesus or another book it's
called lost
christianities lost christianities and
misquoting Jesus by Bart Aon and that's
spelled e h r a an I
believe and he makes it clear he used to
be a real strong bible thumper much
stronger than I was and he used to go to
the Moody Bible Institute up in Chicago
here yes yeah and he says in his books
it's even on the jacket cover he wants
to be emphatic about what he's going to
say he says now look at this and he said
I want you to see what I'm saying we do
not have a copy of a copy of a copy of a
copy of a copy of anything that was
original he's saying for the all of the
whole entire Earth of all of the
collections and all the
museums and all of the scroller
everywhere there's no such thing of even
a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of
a copy of anything original the only
original scripture extent
today is called Quran and the reason is
because Quran doesn't mean a book it
doesn't mean a piece of paper it doesn't
mean ink it means what is being recited
Quran is being recited today as it was
recited at the time of Muhammad peace be
upon him and it's impossible to imagine
that 10 million people today can recite
the entire Quran from memory without
looking at anything from age are you
ready for this age 6 years
old all the way up to
96 you've got in other words I'm saying
this that basically all ages of people
10 million people can quote it and their
native language may be for instance
Parsi their native language may be Udu
or their native language could be any of
the languages in India or Indonesia
where they speak many languages but not
Arabic yet in Arabic they can totally
recite this whole thing for it so this
is an existing document let us look to
that document and see what it says about
other documents and in fact it tells us
that a True Believer must believe in
what
is which is sent down to
you and what was sent down before you
and it refers in the Quran to something
called the kab and the people of the kab
kitab means book it also refers to
something called zabor zabor translates
to English as Psalms it also refers to
something called suu which translates in
English to scriptures and it
says this means the scriptures of
Abraham and Moses and it refers to all
of them and says that God had sent these
Revelations to these great prophets so
they could explain who God was what the
nature of God is what the correct
religion is and so on and nowhere did
any of these prophets who had these
Revelations ever come up with this
belief that God was a man from Noah
Abraham Moses you can't prove they did
or didn't from the scriptures that are
being promoted today as being the Bible
but you can definitely do that from the
Quran because the Quran denies this it
says he's not the father of anything and
he's not the son of anybody just so you
make it clear now there is a phrase in
the Old Testament in the Book of Numbers
23: 19 numbers 23: 19 correct which says
it says God is not a man it says clearly
in there God is not a man absolutely God
is not a man that he should sin and God
is not the son of man that he would
repent is there any explicit statement
where Jesus peace be upon him ever
claimed that he was God and called
people to worship him well no actually
he said the opposite of that what did he
say he said that he's only there by the
will of God God he's only doing what God
is giving him permission to do he
doesn't do anything of himself but
rather of the one who sent him I want to
come back to that but really quickly
answering you went into God uh setting
the perimeters of what God can and can't
do and how do you no I don't say that we
as Muslims don't say God can't do
something what we say is God doesn't do
anything that would make him no longer
be God that was what I wanted to ask
when someone ask you can God do
everything so how do you answer that
well what he says that his
capabilities it says that Allah is
capable and has the power to do whatever
it is that he Wills to do whatever he
Wills to do whatever he wants to do he
can do it so if you ask me can God do
anything I will say he can do whatever
he wants to you see then you can't pull
that trick well can he die he doesn't
want to this is simple as that you just
need to know the rest of the phrase
because it's it's very clear in the
Quran God never will s to fall asleep he
doesn't will that he's going to die he
doesn't will that he's going to forget
anything his memory or his uh let's just
say knowledge not going to talk about
memory we're going to say knowledge is
absolute with absolute knowledge you
don't need any memory because you know
already know everything all the time
yeah so God basically doesn't do stupid
things it's impossible it's impossible
then it wouldn't be God he's the most
just so he doesn't do unjust things well
he has these names his name is which
means he is the absolutely
yeah so he's not going to be unfair now
he can't he would not be that quality
anymore another quality he has isman
which is totally merciful totally and
completely merciful he is all merciful
and in fact his Mercy is for all as long
as they don't commit the one
unforgivable sin and which is that well
probably we ought to do that in another
program make people come back if I tell
them right now they say okay I got it on
need to come back to the dean show so
stay tuned on another episode we're
going to be talking about the
unforgivable sin you can also see it on
the Deen show.com we're going to come to
a close in in a sec in a few minutes
tell us now going back to Jesus you
mentioned one verse in the Old Testament
numbers 239 2319 write that down where
it says God is not a man and and you
mentioned Jesus calling people to the
will of God not to well look at this in
the New Testament you have two places
where Jesus is supposedly I say oh say
supposedly cuz we don't know exactly
what he said yeah most they don't have
the document anymore but it's very
likely considering what we have quotes
in the Quran the Quran says that Jesus
called the people to worship my God and
your God my Lord and your lord now this
is a direct this is Quran said he said
it m now if you do find that in the
Bible which you do then you can say Okay
worship my Lord and your Lord my God and
your God okay so it says in the Quran
say in the Bible we don't need the Bible
to say that we got the Goan who says it
so no explicit statement where Jesus
ever calls people to worship him where
he says I'm God worship me nowhere in
the Bible real quickly we're going to
come come back come back to this one
more time and look at this he's telling
people in the New Testament to pray like
this God's will be done on Earth as it
is in heaven he's telling you and I and
everybody pray like this ask for God's
will to be done done on Earth as it is
in heaven if that's true if he said that
then did he do that and in fact he said
I don't do anything except by the will
of the one who sent me and you see Jesus
praying and asking and he's asking for
God even when he says let this cup pass
for me but even so your will be done
this is what I want but wherever you
want it's bigger and better and I I'll
accept it that is very clear how about
implicit statements where people take
verses twist them and say look Jesus
said I and the father are one or no one
comes to the father except through me
someone's probably watching us on this
program now say no no he said I am the
father I one look look look the way know
he said that you don't have the original
text I'm sorry but you're trying to give
an illogical argument based on what you
don't have okay okay but even if you
have that even if you have a statement
like that that uh do you agree with me
that uh there is a God are we one in
agreement on that well okay folks I'll
just want to let you know that Eddie and
I are
one aren't we yes on that subject on
that subject we're one absolutely okay
so what happened did I just become your
SES twin no duh I mean come on you know
let's let's be rational because if you
say things like that you totally destroy
other teachings in the Bible itself
totally disclaiming those things okay if
you go through the Old Testament and
read it you don't find anywhere that God
is calling himself a father these things
were added much later and they were only
added in the New Testament we're going
to have to talk about in our next show
the unforgivable sin we're also going to
be talking
about uh many things another one about
the sunship people hearing this word Son
of God I'd like for you to bring you
back on and to actually I I tell you
there's a really good website that we
have for this purpose because a lot of
people are are curious to know more
things about God and I've in the past
told you about God allah.com God
allah.com but there's another one we
have that I think will help people a lot
too it's called the Islam code i s l m c
o d e Islam code.com that's just two
words Islam code.com and that's where
you're going to find some of the things
that we're talking about now and
possibly in the future as well okay well
thank you again for answering our
questions and you know what real quickly
just so nobody uh gets the wrong idea
let them know what we how we actually
feel about Jesus because this is
somewhat a touchy subject we can do a
whole episode of this and it wouldn't be
enough but suffice to say we as Muslims
are commanded to make no distinction
between any of the prophets our love for
for Jesus must be there because we have
a love for Muhammad we have a love for
Adam and Abraham and Moses and David and
sulan and Jesus and John the Baptist and
prophet lot and Prophet a which is job
we love all of them and we don't make
distinction between any of them and this
is very clear as a Muslim because if I
don't have this I can't be a Muslim I
love them so much you hear us say so
many times peace be upon them peace be
upon them Al Salam in Arabic means and
peace be upon him and you heard the shik
say it we love Jesus you're not a Muslim
if you don't believe in Jesus this is
one of the basic teachings of Islam
coming from a former Christian minister
preacher whose relationship is actually
tighter with Jesus now so we invite you
to log on to theen show.com you can also
visit the websites that she YF EST has
mentioned for no uh for more information
about this topic and others and we hope
to see you again on the dean show asalam
alaykum peace be unto
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