Alhamdulillah,
greetings and peace. Welcome to the sh
your host. And we have our special guest
coming up who was involved in this new
age kind of movement. So we want to get
to know some of the things that she was
involved in. The meditation seems good.
Why not? Uh getting in touch with your
spiritual side seems good. Why not? And
then you get into this energy and the
crystal balls and the list goes on. So,
let's go get more familiar with this new
age movement and then what brought her
to now the way of life that she's upon
that she's on the Dean show with my next
guest.
Assalam alaikum sister Loretta.
Walaykum. Salam brother. How are you?
Great. Alhamdulillah. How are you?
Alhamdulillah. Alhamdulillah.
So, tell us a little about this new age
movement now. It's like a new religion
almost.
It is it's a huge um way of life for a
lot of people. Um it's you don't realize
the darkness of it until you really get
into it. Um it's such a smooth way in.
Um, what happened was I went I was
having a problem when I was in my 40s um
with going through car washes, which
sounds funny, but my friend at the time
said, "Well, you need to go get past
life regressed." And I said, "Well, gee,
that makes sense."
Not to anybody else but me. And so I
went and this woman said, "You're a very
powerful healer. you have a powerful
third eye, you know, all of the So, she
kept putting me to more teachers and
more teachers and more teachers and
finally I ended up in the Rocky Mountain
Mystery School in Utah channeling
extraterrestrials.
Um, they were teaching us about the
archangels and their wives, you know,
just all this crazy stuff. I was on that
path for 5 years and then I found an
energy guru in England and she said,
"Oh, you know, we have to start doing
these workshops together around the
world." And so I I said, "Okay." You
know, by that time I was very hooked. If
you knew the story, the story is that
little by little I left Catholicism when
I was 15 and then I did Buddhism and I
did the Cabala, the mystical side of it.
And this all led up to me, you know, and
then everybody I met on that new age
path said, "Oh, you're a healer. You're
a toner. You're this." They just it just
pulled me along until I did something so
crazy. But you know what? Allah wanted
that. Now I know that. So I this woman
and I decided she said we have to go to
Egypt and I said okay. Now this is how I
came to Islam. She said I have to go to
Egypt. We have to go to Egypt and uh
tone you know and do energy work there.
Um which the workers there hate by the
way the Muslims. Um so what happened was
I left my my home which was 2400 square
ft. I left my uh job. I had been a
hairdresser. Booked salad for a month in
advance. I left my car. I left
everything. I got a backpack in my 40s.
Imagine that. Just left everything. Got
a backpack, filled it with clothes, got
a passport. I didn't even have a
passport. I'd never been out of the
country.
I fly to Egypt. She's supposed to meet
me there. She does not meet me there.
So, I'm in the airport. I don't know the
language. I don't know the culture. I
know nothing. And I'm scared to death.
So I finally got to a hotel room and I
asked her, "What do I do next?" Now this
is this is how Allah sets things up for
you. She said, "You have to go out to
the Saraphim, which is in Sakara, which
is the first step pyramid that they ever
built in um in Egypt. Um and you have to
tone in front of these 24 niches." And I
was used to that from her. So I said,
"Okay." So the next morning I got a taxi
driver who spoke English and he took me.
It's beautiful drive to Sakata.
Beautiful. Get out of the city and
there's the water buffalo and the it was
just beautiful. And then you get around
the corner and there's the g the Giza
plains with gold sand and palm trees. So
we pull up to the ticket office and I
say to the ticket office that I want to
get into the Saraphim and they said,
'Oh, it's impossible. We're renovating
it. And I knew that if you just grease
some palms, you could get in there. So,
um, they called over. There was two very
young, very handsome young men off to
the side dressed in little, you know,
suit, you know, suit pants and shirts.
And they were, I found out later they
were inspectors of archaeology. So the
first one came over and he said and I
told him what I wanted and he said
that's impossible. The second one came
over, leaned his face in the taxi. I
told him what I wanted and he he was so
amused with me.
He became my husband three months later.
This Muslim man three months later. So
this is how Allah works is eventually he
got me into the seraraphim. He got me
into all these other things. And a week
later, he proposed. And I did not go to
Egypt looking for a husband at all, but
he was Muslim and he was so kind and I'd
watch him go around the streets and, you
know, feed the poor and he was so good
with everyone.
So, so that's the new age path I was on
was, you know, you you had huge crystals
you would sleep with every night and um
there's a big community and so you don't
feel alone. It's not like you're by
yourself. So, that also was a very um it
was a pull. It was a pull for five years
really. I was in it so deep and how I
got out of it is another story.
Uh so let's go let's back it up a little
bit. Let's just touch upon before you
got into the new age movement. Can you
tell us you were your parents were
Christian? Let's just touch upon that
briefly. What took you away from
Christianity towards the new age
movement? If you can just touch upon
that.
Yes. Um well Catholicism I just remember
as a young child being kicked out of
catechism because I asked too many
questions. um I had a natural curiosity
about it because it didn't make sense.
So when I was 15, I had a very large
family and um my father would go to the
first mass, my mother would go to the
last and we would go to the middle ones.
So we'd take all the little kids with
us, drop them off and go to the
restaurant, eat, come back, pick them
up, ask what the sermon was about and go
home because we it just made no sense.
It just, you know, the trilogy made no
sense and I was not seeing what I was
being preached anywhere. I was not
seeing it. So I left and I started
getting into books about reincarnation
at a very young age and that's what led
me on that path.
Are you are you familiar with these
names? Uh uh Anton Leave.
Yes.
All right. There's a there's a statement
many people make the connection because
now people kind of get turned off by
religion. So now they're not filling the
void in their heart. You know, we all
have that fra that inate nature that God
created us into worship him alone and
not his creation. So people now go, we
see this happening so often that now
celebrities and just young people and
even some Muslims it's sad to say they
end up going just under the pretext like
you know because it's not cool to be a
part of a religion so they say and then
they jump into something that actually
ends up being another religion. So I
want to share with you this quote from
Anthony Lavey. You probably maybe came
across it where he's actually saying
that the new age let me say here for
himself. He says newagers have freely
drawn all manner of satanic materials
adapting it to their own hypocritical
purposes. But in truth all new age
labeling is again trying to play the
devil's game without using his infernal
name.
Exactly.
Exactly. What do you what are your
comments on that? And for those that
know, uh, tell us a little bit about
Anthony Levy.
I I don't know. I've only heard the name
and I know that he leads the satanic
cult. That's all I know. I do know about
the new age path and the darkness
because
um,
he's written the Bible. He I mean, I'm
sorry. He's written he's the founder of
the Church of Satan and the Satan Bible.
What they have up to,
right? Exactly. He's very Yes. He's
ahead of it.
All I know is that Allah wanted
something from me. So he allowed me to
continue on that path. But once I
learned about the jin and about shayan,
then everything fell into place. That
was exactly what was happening. this
this one woman would um leave her body
and allow some being to come in and and
she called he called himself Medatron
and we would call him on the phone and
ask him questions. He would get into our
cells and it was just the most bizarre
thing. Now that I see it, I know how
Allah protected me and I pray for those
people on that path because it's like a
jin convention, you know, they're just
it's like what it's like a convention.
Like a gym convention,
like a Shriner's convention where they
ride around in the cars. That's what
it's like. They're everywhere.
It's crazy. Wow. There's also someone
else who's very popular. They say she's
the the mother of the new age movement.
Uh Helena
Helena Bllinski.
This is one of her uh some of her
quotes. And many people who um have uh
connected again the new age movement uh
they don't realize that many of these
satanic rituals like you're talking
about they're in this movement. So let's
just go over a few of these here.
Uh this is one of the things her pretty
much praising uh Satan. [clears throat]
Yeah. Here's another one. Satan, the
enemy of God, is in reality the highest
divine spirit.
Uh you have her saying Lucifer is divine
and terrestrial light, the holy ghost of
Satan at one
uh and the same at one at the same time.
Here's here's another quote from her.
And the reason I'm quoting this is
because she is again one of the people
that many uh people who follow this way
of life, they look to her as one of the
prophets. Uh, it is Satan who is the god
of our planet and the only god. This is
in her book in volume two.
Yeah, it's correct.
Because I didn't convert till I was 49
years old. So, I know the darkness and I
know the light now.
Yeah.
And there's just no comparison. There's
just no comparison. Uh this is a
professor of religious studies uh from
Baylor University commenting on this
lady Helena talking about how she uh was
uh the well his her words um of modern
occult thought and was either the
originator or the popular one who
popularized uh many of these ideas and
terms which have a century later been
assembled within the new age movement.
So he's talking about much of the stuff
that we get in the new age movement
comes from this lady uh Helena.
Subhan Allah. Because you know I've been
out of the new age movement obviously
I've been Muslim for 20 years. Um and so
I don't follow it but I am not surprised
because if it was hinting at darkness in
20 years ago then then Shayan has as you
know has you know come forward quite a
bit in this society.
So it's it's a very sad thing. It's a
very sad thing.
Have you heard of this name Alistister
Crowley?
That one I have. Yes, I have heard of
him. Yes.
Yeah. This is another one that uh here's
one of his quotes. I was not content to
believe in personal devil and serve him
in the uh ordinary sense of the world. I
wanted to get hold of him personally and
become his chief of staff. This is
somebody who is very popular in this uh
movement now this Alistister Crowsley
and he's someone that you can see uh
it's very interesting one of his one of
his quotes and I'll I'll share it with
you right now. It's very scary here. For
the highest spiritual working, one must
accordingly choose that victim which
contains the greatest and purest force.
A male child of perfect innocence and
high intelligence is the most
satisfactory and suitable victim for
nearly all purpose of human sacrifice is
best. This is very scary because if some
whoever um knows about uh many of these
occultist groups and meetings and he's
pretty much uh glorifying sacrificing
you know young baby pure boys. It's
crazy.
It is crazy. And I thought I went
through some crazy stuff and I did for
five years. But um that's beyond what I
if it would have been that that I went
to I wouldn't have gone to it.
Yeah.
But it was the pull of the sweetness of
it, you know, to be that path is, you
know, parallels Islam in a lot of ways.
the one I was on and there was a
sweetness about it the a ritual about it
that I just loved. So when I became
Muslim I just jumped the tracks and then
found that you know but there was a
parallel a lot of things paralleled.
Yeah. When you mention like you you talk
about meditation, we obviously have
salah, prayer like Jesus prayed, Moses,
Abraham, the last and final measure
prophet Muhammad, you know, um you know
these uh connecting with the spirit, the
spiritual. So I it seems like they catch
you with some of these things, but then
you know crystal balls come into play,
fortunetelling,
you know, connecting with the jin, like
you just said, you know, it's like a
ginfest.
Yeah.
Right. And the shik, you know, the
associating partners with God Almighty.
Yeah, it's rampant. Um, I meditated for
four hours a day before I became Muslim.
Two in the morning and two at night
and I
I really um lost a lot of the the the
trauma that I carried as a child. So all
of that was, you know, kind of again I
see it as a huge plan from Allah to
bring me to Islam and I'm so grateful. I
mean, how who else was going to leave
their home, pack a bag at 40 years old,
40some, and fly to Egypt, and the next
morning meet her Muslim husband?
Yeah.
What is that? I didn't become Muslim for
about six months after that. But and I
hit the wall, lost 80 to $100,000.
That energy guru I got was biling me of
my money and I was bilking me of my
money. And so I I really lost almost
everything, but I got Islam. So
what would you say made the most sense
in Islam? And for the not yet Muslim
audience, Islam simply means to acquire
peace by submitting yourself just like
Jesus did, Moses, Abraham, the last
found Muhammad to the one and only
created the heavens and earth. Not
worshiping his creation but worshiping
him alone. So you say that earlier that
what your parents were upon that way of
life, this didn't make sense. Many
people who I've had on, they struggle
with the trinity and they struggle with
a lot of these uh these concepts uh
Jesus dying for someone's sins. So now
you come over to Islam. What made sense
about Islam that had you end up
accepting it?
On that new age path, I always had more
questions than answers. That's what kept
me seeking is that I would go to the
next level, the next level, the next
level because I couldn't fill that void.
It everything that came to me, I
couldn't fill that. I felt okay, but I
couldn't fill that void. And I kept
looking. I mean, imagine I was making,
you know, $70,000 a year as a
hairdresser. I left that to find Allah.
And so when I finally saw my husband the
way he was, it made perfect sense to me.
And then once I got cleared out enough
to accept Islam um in that next six
months,
then everything made sense. Every
question I ever had in my life for
anything made sense. I was able to find
it in the Quran. I was able to, you
know, um incorporate it into my life.
And there was just this peace. I mean,
we have questions as in this society. If
you look out there, we have questions
about what's going on. Well, we don't
anymore. I mean, you know, I've written
three volumes of Islamic history, and
the final volume has the minor signs of
the day of judgment and a timeline about
how they came about. So, what I'm saying
is that you look, you can look at the
news now and say, "Oh, that was
predicted. That was prophesized, you
know, and it brings a piece because, you
know, then this world can't be all there
is."
Yeah, that's amazing. When you look at
the prophecies, you look at the signs in
the Quran, the miracles, it's just
impossible that a man, Prophet Muhammad,
peace and blessings be upon him would
who just coincidentally is bringing the
same message as Jesus, Moses, you know,
the message that goes with our innate
nature to just worship one and only one
God and be morally upright. Simple
message, but then he backs it up with
all this evidence and it's just
impossible now that he was on point with
so many different things. It's not like
Nostradamus guessing 99,
you know, and all 99 are wrong. And one
thing it's just kind of maybe you can
take a leap, you can somehow connect it,
but you don't have any of those things
with um
but that's exactly the Xin, right? They
now are given only bits and pieces
because the big fireball comes. So if
somebody's channeling that, they're only
going to get bits and pieces.
Yeah. And that's what someone like
Nostradamus, you know. So these people
Alistister Crowsley you know these
people that we mentioned um Lavey Anton
Ly these people obviously like you can
see uh people who are connect connecting
with like an Alistister Crowley he said
I want to be the chief like the chief uh
worker for Shayan the devil on earth and
it was interesting how he died he died
on they say uh just doped up on drugs
you know miserable a miserable existence
miserable life
I will tell tell you there were a few
times that the darkness got very very
close to me and I didn't like it. I
didn't like it and um mostly Allah
protected me through those whole those
years but I [clears throat] did not like
the darkness the feel of it. If you like
that there's something inside of you
that's wrong.
Yeah. I was uh someone was sharing an
experience that he had someone that I
talked to and he was telling me how he
got invited to one of these events and
it was kind of like you had to know
someone who knew someone to kind of get
invited to this um ritual ceremony they
were going to have. So he went and it
was like a group of people and then they
did some kind of uh hallucination and
some kind of drugs and then they were
calling out like doing some kind of
chanting and calling out to some kind of
spirits
and it was like you're saying it was
just very he said it was just very dark.
You had to describe it. It was
and our that's not our fitra nature.
Mhm.
That's what amazes me is that our fithra
nature is to connect to Allah is to
connect to the one God and and there's
no confusion then.
Yes,
there's just no confusion.
I want to just share this point for the
not yet Muslim non-Muslim audience. When
we say Allah, Jews and Christians who
are also Arabic speaking, they use the
word Allah. Allah just meaning the God,
the creator of the heavens and the
earth.
So this is uh something that you can
relate to. Uh now tell me this uh when
you get asked are you are you back in
the states now? Do you live in America?
Oh yes we've been here since well we
came I brought my Muslim husband back
into the states on the 1st of September
2001.
Uhhuh.
10 days before the big thing happened.
Yeah.
So um yeah we were followed by the FBI
all that kind of stuff. That's okay. Um
but yes we've been back in the States
for 20 years. My husband is acclimated
here now and doing well.
So when you get asked by family members
or at the grocery store or just, you
know, randomly, have you ever been asked
or maybe you're talking about Islam and
someone asked you like a question about
hijab? You know, how do you like to
answer that? Why are you wearing hijab
when so many women are fighting for
their freedom and now they they look at
hijab as a symbol of oppression? What do
you say to that?
Freedom for what? I mean, what really if
you want to be free from Allah, that's
one thing. What I say to them is that
for 49 years, I was out there. I was a
hairdresser, a professional singer, you
know, these kinds of things. I was just
out there and
I don't think I was ever really
comfortable with it. And then when I was
told I needed to cover, the more I
covered, the better I felt. And when it
was explained to me that you are a pearl
and an oyster and only your husband is
allowed to see what you've been showing
people for 49 years. Now that made sense
to me and that
so that's what I tell people is that I'm
absolutely at peace with it. And the
first thing I say is look I believe it's
a commandment in the Quran.
I believe that. I believe we're
commanded to cover for the right reasons
because he knows us better than we know
ourselves. You know, you see these
women, they start kind of inching it
back and the little bit of hair is
showing and pretty soon they're putting
a little makeup on. Pretty soon they're,
you know, throwing the the Jill Bob off.
It Allah knows best. Allah knows best
what we need. And if you are tied up in
this lifetime, this is what you will do.
And if you are hooked on the hereafter,
this is what you would do.
Yeah. We call it the uh some call it the
convertible hijab, the one you just
described.
That's [laughter] right. Exactly.
May May Allah, God almighty help uh all
of us to uh
go ahead and you know implement and love
the injunctions that are good for us
actually and help ward off uh things
that could harm us. And if we can see
that coming out of love that Allah loves
us and that's why he sent his guidance
for our for our betterment. And tell me
uh it's interesting that many people
when you make the comparison when you
look at you know nuns when you look at
those who and Christians should
understand this they're actually wearing
the hijab and then when you look at for
instance Mary the mother of Jesus from
any pictures they have portrayed of her
she's wearing what you're wearing the
hijab. So you're trying you're trying to
im imitate Mary the mother of Jesus.
What when when they find that out like
what do you I get people most people are
just stumped.
Well
I wouldn't want to tell you what my
mother said as a staunch Catholic when
she asked me why I wear that thing. And
I said I said ma the nuns cover.
Yeah.
And and she just she gave me a line that
I don't know if it's right to say it.
She said well they're virgins. And I
went, "Okay, I'm not gonna have this
conversation with her anymore." You
know, so it it they don't think of us as
the same.
I don't know why, but they don't think
of us as the same. Those they have
always been revered. The nuns have
always been revered.
Yeah. Yeah. When you go I'm sorry. Go
ahead. No, I'm just saying that because
we're not out there enough speaking
about this beautiful dean, the media
takes over.
And so when they see me, they see
oppression.
And sometimes I look at them and I say,
"Do you really do I look oppressed to
you? You know, I'm out there. I'm doing
all that I need to do." No.
Yeah. You're here uh in America now and
nobody can force you to wear it. You're
wearing it out of your free will and
your love for God, for the creator,
Allah.
Exactly. Exactly.
Yeah. When when a Christian is asked
say, "Why do nuns wear this what they're
wearing dressing in such a modest way in
the hijab?" They usually say because
these are the best of the best of us.
You know, they've dedicated their life
to God. But now if we take that same
answer and we say, well, these are the
best of the best of our women. They've
dedicated their life to God. Why the
double standards? That's the thing.
Well, this is what I just let it lie
because they're going to think what they
want to think until they think
differently.
Yeah. And then you have places like
France, for instance, who are now
oppressing Muslim women from getting
education, you know, forced to possibly
get arrested if they they want to have a
hijab ban. You know,
you know, we're very blessed here in
America. We don't have that.
True.
And I don't know how I would handle it.
I do know that I would stay covered and
and I would not take that off for any
government.
So
tell us now as a a Muslim woman, one who
submitted her will to the creator of the
heavens and earth. Again, I always I
just say this always because not a lot
of people who are tuning in for the
first time, so they hear hear the term
Muslim or Islam and they have these
preconceived notions. So I like to
define the word. So a Muslim is again
someone who just submits his or her will
to God, to the creator. That's what it
means. That concept has always been
there since the beginning. Not
worshiping the creation, but the
creator. So now that you're that you're
you're a Muslim, uh can can you tell us
what's your connection to Jesus now?
That was such a beautiful story. You
know, I I only knew him as the God when
I was younger, and I didn't think about
him for a long long long long time. And
it it kind of broke my heart. When I
became Muslim, I realized I could love
him more than the Christians because he
was a beautiful prophet, the word of
God. I I fell back in love with him.
You're talking We're talking about
Jesus.
Yeah. we're talking about about Jesus
and I just um now when I read about his
life I can put it into context before I
had to push him away because I had to
push what they were saying about him
away.
And um for me it was lovely. I mean
really
um my my first um you know Islamic
history book is about the 25 prophets in
the Quran and in historical context. And
when I was writing about him, oh, it was
just so lovely. He's a really gentle. He
was a really gentle human being.
Yeah. Many people don't know that it's
an article of faith to believe and love
Jesus, not as a God or a little son of
God, but as a mighty messenger who was
sent with the same message as Abraham,
to worship one and only one God.
Absolutely.
Yeah. Thank you very much. Thank you
very much for sharing some of the
highlights of your story, Loretta. And
may God almighty Allah continue to bless
you in your journey.
Thank you. You too, Eddie, for all you
do. Subhan Allah. Thank you so much.
Thank you.
And thank you guys for tuning in to the
Dean Show. Something that stood out at
the end is we're losing our youth. It is
so extremely important that we
understand some of these modern concepts
that are coming out and many of these
ways of life like this whole new age
philosophy and now we've connected it
like many people do you know to when you
uncover it the roots of it is is deeply
embedded in many of these satanic
rituals and whatnot because the way of
truth is clear and she mentioned
beautifully you know the stories of the
prophets these were the men of truth
these were the men who brought
you the purpose of life. Men like
Abraham who was a pure monotheist,
Jesus peace be upon him, Moses, Abraham,
Solomon, all these men came with the
same message to worship the one and only
created the heavens and the earth.
Nothing is worthy of worship except the
one who created you and to be morally
upright. And then you have the last and
final messenger sent to mankind, Prophet
Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon
them all. And then today we have the
Quran, a living miracle testable that
you can go ahead and if you're sincere
and you're asking the creator of the
heavens and earth to guide you and then
you go ahead and put it to the test,
read it. You'll see like over 1.8
billion people have in the world that it
is indeed from the creator of the
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