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keep it real we keep it ready greetings
of Peace welcome to the dean show how
you guys doing exciting episode every
week if you're like most people you have
no idea you hear it on the news we've
covered it before military occupations
are meant to be temporary but after 40
plus years this one looks permanent and
entirely unjust in the West Bank Israeli
Jewish settlers and Palestinian live on
the same land but must live under two
completely separate and unequal systems
of Israeli law the Jewish settlers
dominate the natural resources including
water and agricultural land and they're
backed by the Israeli Army to maintain
the occupation Israel has demolished
thousands of Palestinian homes and
Orchards confiscated Palestinian land
bombed a captive civilian population in
Gaza and punished resistance with raids
arrests and assassinations all to gain
maximum land while making life so
difficult for Palestinians that they
will either leave or be too afraid to
resist Palestinians have fought back for
decades they tried to achieve National
Liberation through armed struggle some
groups still do but the majority now
support popular protest
instead the deeply harmful pattern of
control repression and violence
profoundly harms Palestinians living
under occupation and Israelis living as
occupiers this must be broken to reach a
peaceful and secure future for both
peoples now that you understand the
problem what about the solution what
about peace talks so far over two
decades of us-backed peace talks have
actually made things worse by helping
Israel continue the occupation it's been
years of talking while Israel massively
expanded the Jewish settlements and
literally redrew the map peace talks are
good if they're real but not in their
theater to cover a land grab so now what
the current world superpower the United
States has been a terrible friend
enabling Israel's destructive and
self-destructive expansion onto
Palestinian Land by funding the Israeli
military the biggest recipient of US
foreign aid in the world but there's
another superpower that can make the
difference you and we have an expert in
the area but like most people you have
no idea you hear Israel you hear
Palestine things blowing up up there and
you're like watching Family Guy said I
no time for that these are these Muslims
really trying to extinguish all the Jews
from the face of the Earth how do we
know what's Tru what's false we're going
to be clearing up some misconceptions
getting to the bottom of this with an
expert we've had him on the show before
Mo pillet get this his father was an
Israeli it's my friend MO father was a
Israeli General his great grandfather
one of the original signers of the
Declaration of Independence so we got no
fool on the show we have an expert we'll
be right back
it we ready
fored we encourage people to come to us
and
ask welcome back to the dean show guess
who my friend your friend M phet how are
you Mo how you been I've been great
thanks it's good to see you again good
to see you also can you kind of
summarize that I hit it right your
father was a general in the Israeli Army
your grand your
grandfather I said it's like can you
compare him to like a George Washington
one of the founding fathers founding
fathers can you go ahead and elaborate
on that yeah founding
fathers so my uh my maternal grandfather
was one of the signers of the Israeli
Declaration of Independence he was one
of the ear zionists he was a leader of
the Zionist Mo within the Zionist
movement um so yes this is uh I come
from a pretty patriotic uh family I have
to say yes now for the people taking a
break from the sitcoms from the
nighttime daytime drama and they want to
get into some history some current
events but like most people we're just
ignorant about what's going on but
there's nothing wrong with you know if
you're if if you're trying to learn so
you can overcome that that ignorance
right you want to you want to grow you
want to learn and we have a Israeli Jew
uh Jew Jewish Israeli here someone who's
an expert scholar in this area to
educate us to educate me to educate you
so give us like a summary what's the
whole for the average person has no idea
what is going on over there why are
things just blowing up why are you know
and then you have this term just
terrorists you know over there we're
trying to you know all all the common
Mantra that's going on can you just in a
nutshell like summarize bring people up
to speed how this started what's going
on I know you can talk on this for for
days but in a nutshell for your common
person average person who just has no
clue well I think uh I think it's
important to limit ourselves to
Palestine and so that's what I do um not
to try to overextend and try to
understand every single conflict in the
Middle East and every single place and
to Bunch them all together so I'm going
to focus on Palestine which is what I do
um it's what I know it's what I
understand and the the issue of
Palestine is really actually quite
simple uh it's a it's a it's a story of
uh of uh
colonizations it's a story of Oppression
it's a story of ethnic cleansing and
genocide uh to which Palestinians have
been victims for 70 80 years now and the
colonizers and the
oppressors um contrary to what people
seem to think or what people say in
mainstream media are these iselis all
the Jewish immigrants who came to
Palestine like my grandparents who came
at the turn of the last century came to
colonize Palestine came to establish a
European state in land that belonged to
the Palestinians Arab Muslim land um and
that is really the beginning of the
story that is really why there is a
conflict there is really why there's a
problem um naturally Palestinians try to
resist so when they try to resist the
oppression when they try to resist the
confiscation of their land they are
called
terrorists um and this kind of fits in
with today's um you know with today's um
demagoguery and mythology that that
demonizes Muslims and demonizes
Arabs uh but the reality is that for 70
years more than 70 years now
Palestinians have been victims of of
terrorism they've been victims of
genocide they've been victims of ethnic
cleansing and today all of Palestine is
governed by a single govern government
which is the Israeli government um it's
not a democratic government unless
you're an Israeli Jew if you're a
Palestinian you live under completely
different set of laws it's more like an
apartheid regime than anything else and
Palestinians are resisting and they have
a right to resist and most of the time
they resist using nonviolent means most
of the time they try to use diplomacy or
they try to use nonviolent means of
resistance like BDS boycott divestment
sanctions and so forth um and using
whatever means at their disposal from
time to time they do engage in armed
violence um and that is the reality and
and they are always met by terrible
violence from the Israelis Israel has a
huge Army It is Well equipped equipped
by the US with the latest technology the
latest warplanes the latest tanks the
latest um uh artillery and Israel uses
it predominantly against the Palestinian
civilians so that in a nutshell is the
problem that as in a nutshell as what is
happening in
Palestine and it's really real
relatively speaking quite simple it's
not uh it's not an easy problem it's not
an easy thing to fix perhaps but it's
really quite simple what about for for
many of the people who say that look
Israel loves Freedom unlike their
neighbors uh Arabs want to wipe us out
right um and and and many other things
that are said that look the people there
uh want to live in peace but it's the
Arabs you know the Muslims who are just
trying to wipe us out and this is our
instinction they Tred to do it before
they try to do it now they're the ones
that are sending the Bombs over they're
trying to blow us up what do you say
well it's factually not true there's
absolutely no evidence no Truth at all
to any of those
statements um the Palestinians were the
and still are the victims of a cruel
campaign of ethnic cleansing the reason
today we have about 5 million refugees
living Palestinian refugees in refugee
camps that have been there for almost
seven decades in is because of the ethic
cleansing campaign that Israel engaged
in when it was established in 1948 it
was a long and
cruel uh campaign that lasted more than
a year where Palestinian towns were
wiped out wiped off the face of the
Earth Palestinians were forced out of
their land and into refugee camps uh
many massacres took place many innocent
civilians were killed by the Israel
forces so there's absolutely no proof no
evidence that supports any of those
claims that the the Arabs or the
Palestinians want to wipe Israel off the
map that the Palestinians want to kill
it I mean there's no evidence and it's
never happened you know what did happen
is seven decades of what I call an
attempted genocide because when you kill
innocent
civilians by the thousands as Israel has
been doing when you Deport pal people by
hundreds of thousands as Israel has been
doing when you deny millions of people
the right to return to their homes when
you deny people water Palestinians even
though they're the majority of the
population in Palestine under Israeli
control um are allocated only 3% of the
water well denying people water is a
sure way to kill them other than
shooting them um and so none of these
claims are are based in fact when we
actually look at the facts we see that
Israel has been uh the aggressor and the
Palestinians have been victims and yet
Palestinians are still quite willing and
quite interested in peaceful coexistence
now from from the perspective I mean I'm
I'm a Muslim you're a Jewish Israeli and
this myth a lot of times is perpetuated
that you know Islam teaches you know the
hate of Jews but historically is that
true I mean from from the Islamic
perspective you see like you know the
the Quran honoring you know you have 34
times mentioned you know this honor the
people of the book you have Moses who is
his one of the greatest Messengers ever
sent to mankind he's he's uh the
greatest messenger in the Old Testament
in Islam he's mentioned over
136 136 times you had the Medina Charter
where Jews were given safety and they
were given uh protection so do they do
people know this do they know these
facts you know there is a professor I
believe from the uh the journal JC
Journal I know D uh David Warstein where
he said that Islam had saved the Jewish
people I mean when you know do do people
know these things do they know that you
know uh these facts are out there um
well I think I told you this before I
was born and raised in
Jerusalem and although I was raised in a
part of Jerusalem that was predominantly
Israeli
um Arab East Jerusalem was just you know
a couple miles
away and arabes Jerusalem is a deeply
Muslim City and my impression growing up
of Islam is is is uh from what I saw in
Jerusalem and it was an impression of
great beauty of kindness of hospitality
of
warmth uh honesty sincerity that is you
know the beauty of hearing the uh call
to prayer you know from the mosques from
the minettes everywhere in
Jerusalem um
uh acceptance that's that was my
impression of just as being you know
being a young man and a kid growing up
in Jerusalem and and and knowing arabes
Jerusalem particularly the old
city now historically Jews have lived in
Arab countries and Muslim countries very
well and very peacefully and thrived
Jewish communities all over the Arab
world all over the Muslim World
thrived um when Jews and many times when
there were persecutions of Jew there was
persecution of Jews in Christian Europe
they found safe havens in the Arab world
they found safe havens in the Muslim
world and I think religiously too
theologically too the the Islam and
Judaism are sister religions really they
share more in common than most other
than almost any other two religions that
you can think of and
so again none none of these none of this
uh violent and um
intolerant image of Islam is based on
facts particularly not we're talking
about relations between Jews and and
Muslims and between Jews and Muslim the
Muslim World none of this is none of
this is based in fact in fact facts
point the opposite and when we talk to
Jews old Jewish people and Muslims who
lived in cities in Palestine before the
state of Israel before Zionism came
we're talking about people who lived in
Jerusalem some of the neighborhoods H in
The Old City uh in Hebron and some of
these older cities where Jews and
Muslims lived together for you know
hundreds and hundreds of years the
stories are always stories of Tolerance
the stories are always stories of people
getting together respecting one another
often jewi older Jewish people will tell
you how on the Saturday the day of
Sabbath their Muslim friends wouldn't
smoke out of respect for wouldn't light
fires out of respect for the Jews who on
that day do not smoke and light fires
you know and similar stories you know
during Ramadan where Jews would respect
the you know the wishes and the feelings
of of their Muslim neighbors those are
the stories that you hear from people
who really lived uh were in in these
mixed communities then if you want to
talk about stories of um Jews and Arabs
Jews and Muslims who lived in proximity
in Baghdad in Yemen in North Africa in
all these other uh Muslim cities and
Muslim countries the stories are always
stories of Tolerance and great
friendship and great uh neighborly
relationships none of that other stuff
is uh ever happened you know none of
that stuff is is true and like I said
none of it is is is based on on on fact
or history how true is this when you
study is this something documented it's
I had qu I quoted the um the professor
uh David Warstein who mentions this in
that in that journal and you have other
prominent rabbis Who come out I've had
my friend uh Rabbi Weiss you know Rabbi
Weiss they substantiate this also and
this kind of like you know uh it brings
down some of those barriers and walls
and and clears that great misconception
like you know Muslims hate Jews but I
mean it's a fact now before um history
shows there's also another example the
tell me if you know about this you can
elaborate on it the albanians at the
time when they were um the Jewish people
were being uh World War II Hitler was
was persecuting and and killing the
Jewish people that the albanians were
making documents and saying these are
our people that you were not going to
touch do you know can you elaborate on
that I don't I can't elaborate I have
heard about it but I don't know the
details but but the stories of Jews
finding Refuge among Muslims uh even
within Europe not just going out into
Muslim countries but even within Muslim
communities even even in Central Europe
even places like France where where
where Jews found refuge in in in
mosques and and certainly in other
Muslim countries this is welln and it's
well documented absolutely so what
happened H how do you know the neighbors
who were together you know I heard they
would watch each other's kids it was we
have a long Rich his history of of of
Peace what happened well what happened
is
colonialism what happened was the
intervention by European powers what
happened was the uh colonizing of
Palestine by
Europeans um and then they Chang The
Narrative you know the Conqueror the the
Conqueror always always always gets to
write the history and so the stories
that they invented were stories of uh
that that or the stories that
perpetuated this image of the Muslims
and the Arabs as uh irrational and
violent and uh uneducated and incapable
of living together with others and
uncivilized and so on and all of this to
justify the conquests to justify this
new order that the that the that the
zionists brought to Palestine and that
the Europeans after World War I created
in the Middle East
um in order to in order to
maintain um a colonized reality a
colonized project you have to justify
why you are oppressing the other you
have to justify why you're kicking the
other out of their homes why you're
killing them why they arresting them you
have to justify it somehow so the way
you justify it is by creating myths by
creating a different story now some 70
years later go back and start telling
people that it wasn't the Arabs of
Palestine that were attacking the Jewish
Community it was the other way around it
was the Jewish commun community in
Palestine the Zionist Community who came
fully intending to ethnically cleanse
the land and you know take the and take
over they came fully intending to
destroy Palestinian towns and Destroy
Palestine as an Arab Muslim country and
take over and create this European uh
Colony there which is what Israel is so
we have you have 70 years of of this of
this mythology that has been perpetuated
here in the west it's been perpetuated
here in the United States when you look
at uh school books here in America
history school books what do they say
about the Middle East what do they say
about the ancient Middle East all of
these stories perpetuate this myth that
today's
Jews um today's Israelis are the
descendants of the ancient Hebrews you
know even now um after the United
Nations passed this resolution
condemning Israel for building
settlements in the West Bank the Israeli
Prime Minister the Israeli ambassadors
are going back and saying we lived there
you know 2,000 3,000 years ago and so on
and so forth which is all mythology you
know none of us European Jews are
descendants of the ancient Hebrews it's
you know it's a complete myth but the
story is perpetuated the story is told
very well it's a good story it's a story
that's easy to accept and they're very
good at telling it they're very good at
at at at pushing their agenda and
pushing their mythology to justify their
agenda that's what happened so people
lose track of what actually took place
now we're not again talking to some
Layman this is my friend m pill it the
general son father was a general in the
Israeli Army great a great grandfa uh
grandfather uh one of the original
signers of the Declaration of
Independence we got an expert in this
area M do you get a lot of heat speaking
up for the oppressed do you do you do
you have a lot of backlash because of
your strong voice for justice uh to be
honest no I don't uh not at all I mean I
get invited to speak where I get invited
to speak I I you know I I don't suffer
any backlash at all quite the opposite I
meet wonderful people I me great friends
like you um and not at all I think this
has been uh this has been a great reward
speaking and I don't really feel that I
speak for the oppressed I feel that I
speak for my friends my Palestinian
friends who are living under very harsh
conditions but when you know
Palestinians even in the most harsh
conditions Palestinians who live in Gaza
where they're denied
water and food and and there's
malnutrition you know for the first time
in Palestine in Gaza and things like
this I look at my friends I look at
people that I know I speak to them
there's nothing oppressed about them
they're they they are strong and and
their spirit is strong even though
they're suffering a great deal if you
had a chance to sit with Larry King I if
you've ever met Larry King and you got
into a discussion with him how do you
think he would respond and then what
would you say to the term institutional
discrimination you heard this
institutional discrimination and how do
you think the conversation would go
between you and Larry King well I was
born and raised in a country that that
has institutional racism the state of
Israel is an instit is based on
institutional racism institutional
discrimination of favoring Israeli Jews
like myself over Palestinians who are
the natives of the of the land uh where
I was born and raised and when I'm in
Jerusalem where I live is a completely
different
reality uh both legally in terms of the
laws that govern my life the environment
the amount of water that I get the
opportunities that I have it is
completely completely
different in in a way that is privileged
than Palestinian friends of mine who
live sometimes no more than you know 10
15 minutes away so institutional racism
and institutional discrimination is the
basic foundation of the state of Israel
so I was born I was raised with that
I've seen it all my life living in
America there's also I mean America
wrote the book about institutional
racism America was was was was
established um on the foundation of
genocide of the native people and then
slavery and there is no worst
institutional racism and discrimination
than slavery and of course the reality
of of uh of blacks in this country and
people of color in this country has
always been one of of institutional
racism so in a way every country have
always ever lived in almost has been you
know has had institutional racism as
part of its reality what are the
common um responses to what you're
saying and then how do you respond to
those well the common the common
comments are that Palestinians are
terrorists and Israel has no choice but
defend itself the Jews somehow have some
kind of a historical right and a moral
right to take over Palestine and create
a Jewish States even if that means
infringing upon the rights of
Palestinians because Jews have some kind
of a special case because the Holocaust
and so
forth um you know I think it's really
quite simple uh it's a question of
values if you believe that one person
has more rights than anyone else because
of their race their religion their color
their nationality their gender whatever
if you believe that one life is more
valuable than
another um I remember after the massacre
in Gaza in 2008
2009 it's called the Israelis called it
castled
um I was in Palestine during the time
and then I came back to the US and I was
giving talks about it and after a
certain talk I think I was in San Diego
and members of the Jewish Community came
up and criticized me for speaking up
like this and criticizing
Israel and I said to them if you
think
that um it's okay to kill a
child if you think it's okay
um to drop bombs on innocent civilians
then there's really nothing to talk
about because the conversation is over
it's a question of values you know if
you asked me I would tell you even if
the Devil Himself lived in
Gaza it wouldn't justify harming a
single hair of a Palestinian child in
Gaza and now you're telling me it's okay
to kill civilians and kill children
because there's this thing in Gaza
called Hamas it's a question of values
there's nothing to argue about you
either think it's okay drop bombs on
civilians and kill children or you think
it's wrong there's no justifying it
there's no gray area here it's the same
with racism you either believe you're
either racist or you're not or you
oppose racism there's no gray area here
so my response to people who come up
with these claims who say you know
whether they're saying that you know
blacks deserve less or that Muslims are
terrorists or the Palestinians uh have
no rights or the Jews have more rights
than Palestinians it doesn't really
matter how it's framed it all stems from
the same racist beliefs well if somebody
has racist beliefs that's their values
there's really nothing to argue about if
you believe that this is right that's
the end of the conversation it's not
politics so that's why I said earlier
it's really a very simple reality it's
really a very simple
situation um and if you look at your
values and you examine your values it's
going to tell it's going to show you
which way to go you know it's really
quite simple and my values point me in
One Direction and obviously other
people's values Point them in a
different direction and there's nothing
to argue about give us a a live story
because the people there have
been dehumanized so put some put a human
face to it I mean from a live experience
and if somebody VI it a Christian VI it
uh an Israeli a Jew wanted to go over
and meet some Palestinians to make that
human connection which is so powerful
you know share with us some real stories
you know that people can can can that
that good from every human can come out
and because that dehumanization has
really uh
take blinded a lot of people well it
seems perfectly natural to me because
I'm when I'm in Palestine I'm with
Palestinians all the time you know I
sleep I go to sleep at friends houses
where Palestinians and Palestinian towns
and Palestinian Villages and in in
cities and rala and abis I mean places
that are in Palestine all the time I
sleep in their homes I eat with their
families I we we sit in all night and we
talk about things uh we sit in a big
circle in the village and you know drink
tea and discuss politics I mean this is
something that I do and all the time and
it's interesting to to talk about
Palestinians as being as as less in
human or being Savages across the street
we have Israeli settlements Jewish towns
that steal their Waters that sit on the
land of these Palestinians of this
Palestinian Village that take the water
of these Palestinian people that have
serve in the army that arrests them and
shoots them and often arrests and shoots
and tortures their children yet the
Palestinians are are called uh inhumane
or savage or terrorists uh and they've
never engaged in violence they've never
they never had an army they've never
there's never been a Palestinian Army
there's never been a Palestinian tank
you know so so to Me It's Perfectly
Natural I do this all the time I mean
I'm I'm I'm with Palestinians in their
homes in their towns in their villages
in their cars and in cities everywhere
and all the time um and all I ever
experience is is is friendship and
kindness and warmth or you know
indifference I'm just another person who
is coming and going and doing and doing
whatever I do uh we just had a
conference a wonderful conference uh
last month in November uh in the village
of
Na um so there were Palestinian speakers
I spoke there was a group of people who
came from the us some of the people who
came from the US had never been to
Palestine so this is the first the first
trip um you know every night we sat
together we talked and and so on to late
in the late in night uh we stayed in
rala for a few
days was it's it's it's it's it's an EXC
it's a wonderful experience I encourage
everybody to go to Palestine and visit
Palestine and and travel in Palestine
it's very easy to travel it's
inexpensive it's friendly uh you're
always going to find somewhere to eat
and somewhere to sleep and and and and
in a friendly face uh and that is the
reality of Palestine and people who do
go to Palestine who do get involved with
um the struggle for just justice of
Palestine always come back with the same
impressions of how kind and warm and
friendly and and and you know easy to
travel and so forth uh Palestine is and
and Palestinians are as a people trying
to ascertain the truth and we have the
son of Israeli General my friend moo ped
here helping us to remove much of this
ignorance on what's going on over there
and tell me m how much money is actually
spent
here our tax dollars are sent over there
and what is it is it to to help the poor
what what's going on with the money
that's sent you know because we got a
lot of uh you know people here who you
know we got towns in in in in America
that are upside down and uh we can use
some money here but what's we what the
taxpayer wants to know what's going on
with our money over there well Israel
gets largest foreign age pack foreign
aid package from America than any other
country and Israel is not a developing
Nation Israel doesn't need foreign aid
it doesn't deserve foreign aid doesn't
need foreign aid it's a wealthy country
with a strong
economy so why is it that the US gives
billions and billions of dollars to a
country that doesn't need it every
single year is a mystery you know it's a
question that every American Tax has to
ask because these are American tax
dollars going there um what the money is
used for is is uh to purchase weapons
and uh kill Palestinians it's as simple
as that Israeli Army is huge it's well
equipped
and the only the really the only people
that that suffer are the Palestinians
and they suffer directly from this
foreign aid now besides the foreign aid
all this taxpayer money that goes to
Israel there are tax exempt
organizations that support the Israeli
military that support Israeli
settlements that support all kind of
groups uh within Israel Jewish groups
that go in and steal Palestinian land
and take Palestinian homes and we're
talking about billions and billions of
dollars on top of the foreign aid uh
we're talking about money that comes in
um from from from tax exempt
organizations American tax exempt
organizations so they're exempt from
tax but they're using the money in order
to support settlers in order to support
terrorizing Palestinians in order to
support the Israeli Army even
more um uh and uh president-elect
Obama's son-in-law is one of them they
he's he's he's on the board of the
friends of the IDF
and they give millions and millions and
millions of dollars to the Israeli
military which I believe is no more than
a glorified terrorist organization so
why is it okay for them to give material
support to the
IDF um which again is material support
to an organization that that is engaged
in
terrorism and whereas the Palestinians
who give charity to Palestinians and do
not give it to any kind of military
organization but give to charity are
accused of of of giving material support
to terrorism this is a double standard
here that is that is impossible to
understand but there's a reality here in
America that says that Israelis are poor
and they deserve money and I don't know
why that is and it's it's time to end it
because number one American taxpayer
money is going to do terrible things
which makes Americans complicit in some
terrible crimes and number two these tax
exempt organizations are not paying
taxes and they're sending millions of
dollars to do very bad things so why are
they getting why are they getting a tax
exemption why is the US missing out on
all this again millions and millions of
dollars of money that should be paid in
taxes um and again it's a vicious circle
that needs to be brought to an end and
somebody's got to stand up and say we
don't agree to this anymore we're not
going to give any more money to Israel
Israel doesn't need it doesn't deserve
it and besides they're using the money
to do terrible terrible things can you
uh explain to us what's going on with
the with the settlers moving in well
it's actually a lot more simple than
that um all israelies are settlers we
all came from somewhere and took pal
land if not us personally then you know
our parents are grandparents so all the
Israelis are settlers and they're all
sitting on Palestinian land stolen
Palestinian
land um usually when they talk about
settlers in that in this context they
talk about the settlers who did the say
the exact same thing took Palestinian
land and are living on it in the West
Bank which is a small part of Palestine
that Israel occupied in
1967 you see the occupation of Palestine
took took place in two parts the larger
part of Palestine 80% of it was occupied
in 1948 when Isel was established and
then the smaller part of it which is the
West Bank was taken over 20 years later
so it was a two-part process and for
some reason only the Israelis only the
Jews who live in the West Bank are
called settlers the reality is all
Israeli settlers all Israeli towns and
cities are illegal settlements and
should all be treated as such um so but
but that's what Israel does Israel is a
settler
Colonial um in uh State it's a settler
Colonial Country it's a settler Colonial
project it's all about taking the land
away from the population to whom it
belongs the native population or the
Palestinians and allowing Jewish
immigrants to take over Jewish settlers
to take over this is what happens all
over Palestine all over the country and
of course people call it Israel I refuse
to call it Israel I think we should call
it Palestine which is what the country
is
called um but that is what takes place
everywhere Palestinians are being kicked
off their land so that uh Jewish talents
can be built for Jews only you know
we're talking about exclusive
exclusively Jews being uh you know being
allowed to live on the land to use the
land uh to build roads on the land and
so on and so forth and according to
Israeli law um the vast majority of the
country uh can only be sold or leased to
Jews Nico before we come to to a close
to an end this wonderful session with
Mike good friend MO pilled the general
son you got to get the book well well um
tell us
uh the there is no such thing as
Palestine Palestinians these are people
coming from the outside we've been here
3,000 years what do you have to say
about this well I don't know who's been
anywhere 3,000
years I don't think any of us live that
long uh the story of
somehow the today's
Jews and particularly today's Israeli
are somehow the
descendants of this ancient tribe that
lived in you know that lived there 3,000
years ago the ancient
Hebrews uh there's no proof historical
proof that that's true there's certainly
uh no reason to expect that it's true I
think if you look at the color of my
skin and the color of the skin of most
Israelis you'd realize there's no way
that we are descendants of anyone who
lived in that region you know where
Europeans were whites and I think it's
pretty obvious
how we ended up Jews may be an
interesting story for another time but
obviously we're not descendants of the
ancient
Hebrews um nobody's been there for 3,000
years there are small Jewish communities
that have been in hibron and in um and
in place like Jerusalem and a few other
small cities very small communities that
have been there for a very long time I
don't think anybody's been there 3,000
years um but it's part of the mythology
that that justifies the so-called return
or the emergence of the Zionist States
the state of Israel that justifies the
colonialism of Palestine the colonizing
of Palestine justifies the ethnic
cleansing and of course here we are
again back to this narrative where the
Jews are a righteous people that have a
right to return to Palestine the
Palestinians or the native people of the
land have no right to live there and
it's okay to kill them and arrest them
and and force them into Exile um it's
just one more component of this of this
mythology and maybe just a wrap it up
you know the entire Zionist ideology is
based on three myths the first myth is
that Jews are a nation as opposed to
being a religious group within other
nations so you could have Jewish Germans
Jewish French Jewish yemenites Jewish
Moroccan Jewish and so forth Iraqi the
second
myth is that the Bible is a history book
and we heard this again said now by the
Israeli Ambassador by Netanyahu many
times and other Israelis that the Bible
is a history his book that proves that
Jews deserve Palestine well the Bible is
not a history book it's a book of Faith
it's a religious document but the
zionists who were never believed in God
and are were completely secular people
said that the Bible is the history book
of the Jewish people and the third myth
is that Palestine is the Jew the
homeland of the Jews and everything else
rests upon these three myths and
everything is justified by falling back
on these three myths and everybody seems
to treat them as though they were true
um so I think it's important to have
that in perspective and realize these
three myths are myths they are not true
they were created by the Zionist in
order to justify what they do and if we
understand that then we understand why
things are the way they are today okay
you you see you see this happening the
world sees it happening what about uh
the International Community what what's
the human voice global voice saying
doing how can people who who want to
stand up for justice how can they make a
a peaceful protest against this uh the
call for boycott divestment and
sanctions the BDS call it is a call by
Palestinian Civil Society to the world
providing all of us all people of
conscience with a pathway to resist the
oppression of Palestinians and to bring
about Justice for Palestinians um it's a
very dedicated very principled
nonviolent form of resistance
um South Africans will tell you that BDS
brought down AP parth in South Africa I
truly believe that BDS will be maybe not
the uh Force but certainly one of the
major forces that's going to bring down
the racist apartheid regime in Palestine
and will help to free Palestine so in
every country in every
Community um people of conscience need
to find the BDS uh group The BDS branch
and if there isn't one to start one go
on BDS movement.org and and and take
take a look at what they do theyve had
campaigns now very large and very very
very successful campaign against HP
they've had campaigns against other
groups that other organizations other
companies that work with Israel that
support the Israeli occupation of
Palestine and this is what people need
to do you know starts by not buying
Israeli dates and end up by boycotting
uh big corporations like HP and others
who support Israel how could people of
Consciousness I mean I think every
Synagogue Church mosque you know should
invite you to come on you know to go
ahead and educate many of the people who
are ignorant in this area are you open
to are you visiting places M synagogues
uh churches how could people get a hold
of you and to learn more you have a book
tell us about it uh well the easiest
thing is to send me an email Mikell
gmail.com or send me a message on
Facebook um I'm you know I'm everywhere
this is uh you this is the book The the
general Sun just came out in a second
edition so it's um it's uh it's got more
in it than the first edition does and so
we're very proud that we you know it
just came out in second
edition um it's easy to find me like I
said on social media or by email I do
speak I'm happy to speak in I speak in
mosqu I speak in you know any form that
I'm invited to and uh I'm happy to
engage in this conversation everywhere
and with everyone there you have it my
friend M pillet God bless you thank you
so much for being with us on the
pleasure a pleasure thank you and thank
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until then peace be with you