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to this week's episode of the dean show
we have a lot to talk about imagine if
you now had never experienced snow a
blessing from God and now it's coming
down in an area also that doesn't get
much snow and now you're admiring it and
now you're opened up to A Whole New
Nightmare now of bullets raining at you
over a dozen and that's what happened to
a Muslim out in Dallas and we have
someone from Dallas to tell us kind of
the details of what happened because
you're not getting much from the media
are you and we're also going to be
talking about the new atheism along with
the rise in a in that hate speech in the
intolerance towards the most peaceful
people in the world that's right those
who have submitted to the Creator not
the creation those people who love Jesus
they love his mother
too and there's a rise of hatred towards
these people islamophobia it's called we
have a lot to cover on this week's show
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the with youum Dr how are you aldah nice
to see you nice to have you on the dean
show you're a Doctor by profession yes
co-author author of many books yes I
wouldn't say many books but the main
book we've written uh in 2004 was called
God Islam and the skeptic mind so you
you're you're pretty busy out there um
doing some great wonderful work uh tell
us now I had mentioned a story yes about
a tragic event you know something start
off with something beautiful someone
admiring just snow yeah right and then
what happened from there yeah so
honestly just a few days ago some of you
may have seen in the news probably most
of you haven't but I was just planning
for my trip to come to Chicago from
Dallas and uh I get a bulletin from K
DFW and they say that there was an Iraqi
immigrant who was just out with his wife
you know near the Richardson mosque and
you know Dallas doesn't get a lot of
snow but we recently got four or five
inches uh including snow at night so it
it's very beautiful Subhan Allah you
know how beautiful it is when the snow
comes down he was outside admiring the
snow taking pictures outside his
apartment complex and lo and behold 15
bullets you know put him down um you
know it's extremely unfortunate but this
is the way things are going in this
country right now and we need to make a
difference right now and we need to
stand up for our rights uh as you might
predict they're not really giving it a
lot of coverage right now and they're
not really saying anything clear about
his motive but when you shoot a guy 15
times you know who's just taking
pictures of the snow you know it
obviously brings up some major questions
yeah it's very sad and we send our
condolences to all the uh uh family
members and everybody out there and it's
it's a shame that you know you have you
know such uh Fringe elements who
represent uh I believe the numbers were
like 01
n% uh and and the news is constantly
bombarding the American people with
certain extreme elements as if they
represent Islam but now you have
something at home here on home base
definitely you had had this you know
terrorism taking place and and the
American people aren't aware of it is it
because you think because this person is
a
Muslim allaham you know Allah knows best
but we wouldn't be surprised I mean in
Dallas there is kind of a a growing
awareness of this some of some of you
may have heard also just a few weeks ago
in the news about Pamela Geller you all
have maybe heard of her or our viewers
have heard of her where she's head of
the American defense Foundation she
announced uh a cartoon contest have you
heard about that no I haven't yeah this
was big news news where uh they had some
protests in the Dallas area when the
sound Vision came to Dallas to do a
fundraising event and a bunch of them
got together and were protesting the
event but a few weeks after that event
and this is literally just a few weeks
ago they announced that uh they're going
to be having a cartoon drawing contest
about guess who Prophet Muhammad
sallallahu alaihi wasallam and they're
uh accepting submissions from around the
world online and they want cartoons that
will insult the prophet wasam and
they're intentionally doing all this and
of course Pamela Geller announced that
uh there's a place called the Garland
special event center it's a big
Convention Center in the Dallas suburb
they're announcing that they're going to
have the award ceremony there and
they're awarding
$10,000 to the winning entry so this is
the climate we're living in and uh this
is the you know these are the times
we're in so it you know either we sit
down and take it or we we respond in a a
positive way and put our positive
message out uh the found founding
fathers of of America do you think this
was the intent that was created by the
freedom of speech now was it actually
freedom because it seems like it's more
of a freedom to insult you follow me we
would we take strong exception to even
insulting Jesus peace be upon them Moses
Abraham any of these Mighty Messengers
who called people to peace called them
to have a loving relationship with the
creator of the heavens and earth and now
to insult them to insult Jesus or anyone
we we take strong exception to obviously
we don't uh do anything now that would
break the law but what what are your
comments on this about the freedom to
insult going away from really the was
this the intent of the founding fathers
do you think absolutely not that's why
there are plenty of laws in the US also
that do do have some limitation on it
too A lot of people don't realize that
but there are laws that limit uh freedom
of speech laws against liable against
slander and so forth and that's why I
say we as Muslims need to be well aware
of our rights and we the key thing we're
asking for we're not asking for special
treatment we want fair treatment so uh
if we're not going to be insulting other
people if we're not insulting the
president or other prophets or other
people like that then we shouldn't be
either right and that's not an unfair
thing to ask for and here too we talk
about the uh you know the American way
of life and the American dream I mean
this person who was just shot was an
Iraqi immigrant right he came from what
environment he came from an environment
where there was shooting all the time he
came to a place where he thought it
would be more peaceful could start a new
life and look what happens MH so that's
the antithesis of the American dream
unfortunately so uh yeah it's very
unfortunate yeah there's uh you know
it's you mentioned I mean there's there
are limits to these things and now we
have yet another piece of video from
that bus I want to play this for the
first time now
well if he wasn't identifiable before
the leader of that chant is certainly
identifiable now and as soon as you I
think the the one of the uh writers at
that magazine uh some years back he
criticized a certain group of people and
they actually fired him absolutely yeah
did you hear about that or abolutely you
know so now um yeah this happened in
France too I'm sure you know the Charlie
ABDO thing was been in the news but I'm
sure you're well aware that there was a
cartoonist in France who was fired
that's yeah you know that's what I'm
talking about exactly yeah and he had
drawn some pictures of Nicholas SAR
cosi's son and making fun of his son who
had married a Jewish woman what happened
he fired immediately exactly but seems
like it's open day on those who um I
mean want the I mentioned the most
peaceful people I mean seriously if you
if you look at it uh you know
historically if you look at it in
context uh Muslims you know Jews
actually ran towards uh from persecution
towards the the Muslim lands and and
were taken care of absolutely there are
more Jews alive after World War II in
Albania than before World War II there's
no evidence of any Jew being turned over
to the Nazis to save a life is to go to
paradise I would sooner have my son
killed and break my Bessa I always ask
these people uh what was it was it Bessa
was it the Quran what was it that that
you risk you your family Risk Everything
To Save Jews in many cases strangers and
absolutely and that's why I keep
emphasizing we've got to get that
positive message out you know and this
book too is part of that God Islam and
the skeptic mind it helps to
promote understanding of the Muslim
perspective because we have a lot to
offer right we have so much to offer
when it comes to these age-old
philosophical questions and with respect
to tolerance and diversity so we need to
get that message out we have a lot to
talk about we just wanted to give kind
of a a a um picture that people can now
really see what's going on out there and
this was one of those tragic events and
and it it didn't it didn't stop there
before that you had the Chapel Hill you
had the three innocent absolutely human
beings who are killed by an atheist and
we're going to be talking about also the
new atheism absolutely yeah it's an
important uh Trend that our uh viewers
really need to be aware of yeah so we're
going to take a break you're not going
anywhere I'm not going anywhere we're
going have a lot to talk about with the
author of God Islam and the skeptic mind
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below back here on the dean show so do
you feel it I mean the people in the
community I mentioned that there's a
rise in hate speech
that there is a rise of hatred and
tolerance towards see those people who
worship the Creator not the creation
Muslims and uh if some people link it
back to the time when the Holocaust
happened you had these cartoons against
the the minority Jews at the time and
they were dehumanized and the media
everybody was up against them and you
know made them look as if they were
unhuman and uncivil and then what
happened is yeah yes that great tragedy
you see the similarity with what's going
on here absolutely you're absolutely
right yes and that's why I keep saying
either we sit down and take it or you
know we do our job and we do our part uh
because you know the fact is with with
things happening around the world you
know a common person on the street is
just going to watch TV and and have
negative impressions of us but if we do
a better job of getting our message out
we can slowly start to change the tide
and you're doing a great job with this
book tell what what do you mean when
when uh you talking about the new
atheism what is the new atheism yeah
really uh we were just talking about
that that this is really a trend that uh
we really need to be aware of there are
a number of authors uh some of them are
scientists some of them are biologists
some of them are journalists who are
putting out uh books and being very
aggressive with the media TV programs
and so forth where they're not just
promoting atheism but they're very
aggressively attacking religion God
Islam Islam Christianity everything and
anything related to it uh and and we
really need to be aware of this and I'll
give you one example why the very fact
that we wrote this book years ago uh was
motivated by one fact and what happened
was my father who is a co-author of this
book say fared Ahmed he used to be a
professor at the Islamic University in
Malaysia and he used to visit me in
Dallas so there were some older uncles
who had some kids who were in their 20s
now and they said can you please come
and talk to my kids and we're like why
what's going on they're not Muslim
anymore Subhan Allah they're in their
20s they grew up in a Muslim family
they're not even Muslim we go there and
we talk to them and what happens there's
typically their doubts come down to a
lot of the doubts that are addressed in
this book meaning they have doubts about
uh the existence of God they have
questions about science and evolution
and how that relates to religion they
have questions about evil and suffering
they have questions about free will
predeterminism
they have questions about ethics and if
it's relative or not does this really
need God yes or no you know questions
abound this Society teaches you to
question everything and a lot of us
don't realize that our kids are growing
up in that environment going to
University here going to college here
and when they take these type of classes
they're taught to think a certain way
and ask certain questions so we have to
again have a better or do a better job
of providing answers to these questions
now someone comes up to you University
students and he starts to say look I
don't believe in God but I believe in
science that's right have you heard this
statement absolutely what do you tell
him so yeah so it's a very common notion
in this book we go over like eight or
nine different points that actually
proves that science is not as absolute
as people perceive it to be and there
there's uh a lot of information about
that so for example just just to give
you a couple right now a lot of the
so-called empiricists or modern
scientists want to limit the scope of
science to observe phenomena when you
limit the scope of it right at the
outset as an a priority condition then
how are you going to have anything
relevant about anything metaphysical the
best example of that is it's analogous
to like some fish who are in the ocean
they're talking amongst themselves and
they're like one fish comes to the other
and says you know there's this other
Crazy Fish who thinks there's something
called mountains and he's describing
this huge thing but there's there's no
way that's to
nonsense right because they're living in
their own world their whole world has
been limited to the ocean so if
scientists limit their whole scope to
what is observed only then how can you
achieve anything meaningful about that
which is metaphysical or what transcends
the Physical Realm similarly there are a
lot of criticisms of the scientific
method the fact that it's you know imp
uh bias can come into the interpretation
of results you can have the same results
and have them interpreted many different
ways science is not as absolute as
people think it is you know seeing is
not always believing there are things
like optical illusions mirages you know
those things are also there too uh and
another key important point I'll close
on that is that you know there are
certain types of phenomena that are not
necessarily seen but we know they exist
right for example uh emotions like
love uh anger jealousy we all know they
exist but we infer their existence right
and that's why at least some of the
scientists who are believers in God say
look there is a role for using
observation obviously you can't deny
that but then you can infer the
existence of other entities based on
that right and that's where science can
play a more meaningful role in
harmonizing this perceived conflict
between science and religion uh because
you know in Islam we've never had that
conflict we've never had that conflict
exactly you know in fact science is all
subservient to God and the rules and
laws of the universe so we've never had
this conflict but in Christianity we've
had this conflict and now in our modern
societies this conflict is just growing
right where there's that that perception
that you said uh do you know anything
about the recent studies about The God
Spot yes I've heard that yeah in the
brain where they say yes familiar with
what do you know about that yeah so
there are there is some research studies
that say that there may be some
so-called inwi or uh inherent uh
characteristics of human beings that
seek like a higher power but in Reading
again in talking about new atheism they
immediately dismiss all that by saying
that look there may be some tendency
towards that but that they'll say that
that doesn't uh mean it's true and
they'll say that it's or they'll give it
an evolutionary or adaption AR uh spin
to it where they'll say this just helps
human beings to cope with the world uh
but they'll say it has no real uh truth
in it it doesn't prove that there is a
God it's just saying that human beings
have evolved this uh type of tendency or
propensity uh um no no disrespect
intended for anybody out there who
practices any any religion but isn't
this a byproduct now because we haven't
had this conflict with science as you
mentioned you know Islam was at the
Pinnacle of discoveries and everything
because Islam encour the Quran Allah the
Creator encourages us to think to ponder
you know to do this but now in
Christianity you had conflicting now
science and the war between the Bible
and the contradictions what what are
your thoughts on this yes so that's what
I mean that that conflict goes back
several hundred years it goes back to
the time of the Renaissance or the
so-called Age of Enlightenment and to to
me that conflict has has certainly not
gone away uh but it really means that
again we as Muslims where we don't have
this conflict we have to get our message
out and let non-muslims know that there
really shouldn't be this conflict uh and
the everything in the Quran and the
Hadith and in our Traditions are in
consonance and in resonance with science
and not the other way around
unfortunately I when I talk to people I
tell them that unfortunately the
response of the church and some of the
things that are present in in the Bible
and in the Christian Traditions do have
some conflict with modern science and
it's natural that that developed it was
inevitable but that's where we have to
get our message out and say look all
religions are not the same you know we
say that Islam is completely in harmony
with with with true science and that's
an absolute fact if you look into this
way of life that is simple it's based on
Simplicity it has the evidence the
proofs and it's all there and that's
what it distinguishes from the rest
Islam submission to the Creator not the
creation and the Quran tamper free
tamper proof it's a living Miracle read
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more here on the dean show Islamic
terrorism misconception Muslims are
terrorists this is by far the biggest
misconception of Islam given unfairly by
stereotyping and the Public Image that
the media gives has anyone else noticed
how What A specific group of people
attack another group of people it is
labeled as a hate crime but when a
Muslim opens fire on anybody it is
quickly regarded as terrorism many
political dictators and officials or
extremist groups use the name of Islam
as a strategy to Garner followers and
attention when many of their practices
go against the true basis of Islam the
media has also portrayed Islam as a cult
or a club where if you join you become a
terrorist and that is now part of your
agenda however all over the world people
practice Islam in the true form and use
it as a way of life there are many
verses in the Quran that go against the
idea of terrorism some some of these
verses include fight the way of Allah
those that fight you but do not
transgress limits for God does not love
transgressors this basically means do
not fight except in self-defense and
even in doing so do not go beyond
defense another verse States if they
seek peace then you seek peace which
means do not attack people for no reason
or kill innocent people there is nowhere
in Islam whether it be in the Quran or
the teachings of Muhammad that promotes
the killing of innocent people
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s what's uh the Islamic view on
on the darwi on Evolution what do we
believe as Muslims on Evolution yeah
that too is a again a very important
topic because it's one of the key tools
that the movement of new atheism holds
on on to it's a key tool that they've
used for years and decades to try to
weaken the foundation of religion and
belief in God in the book we go over
again at least six or seven points in
detail that are very uh logical
criticisms of the modern movement of
evolution you know as Muslims we have no
issue with what we call microevolution
or adaption changes you know for example
Darwin spoke about the finches on the
Galapagos Islands and how their beaks
tended to change slightly based on their
environment no problem with that right I
don't think any Muslim would but when
you extend that and they have and
they've extended that definition of
darwinian evolution to include the fact
that uh so-called um there's a a they
say that all species arose by descent
from a single common ancestor so it's
not just about saying that human beings
came from apes it's saying that apes
monkeys giraffes crocodiles everything
all planets all or sorry All Creatures
came back to a single origin or a single
uh uh ancestor which is a huge statement
you know and that's the one of the big
problems just to give you a couple
examples there's something called The
Missing fossil record if everything came
down to a single ancestor shouldn't
there be you know millions of
intermediary stages of fossils between
creatures right the fact is they don't
have it and even if you look at some of
the top evolutionists like Richard
Dawkins they have no explanation for
that even Darwin himself said that this
could be one of the biggest criticisms
of of evolution and their answer right
now is just to say well you know we
we'll eventually find those those
missing
links we haven't found it right just to
give you another example does darwinian
evolution explain anything about the
origin of the universe or the origin of
the first cell or the origin of human
beings nothing absolutely nothing so how
does that put down religion no it can't
it still doesn't explain those right uh
another quick example does it say
anything about how Consciousness evolved
Richard Dawkins again in the book The
God Delusion he says that uh
Consciousness is the most profound
mystery facing biology because you can
explain certain micro evolutionary
adaptations but how do you get this
sudden dramatic leap from a physical
body to having Consciousness where we
are aware and we're able to talk about
these things now no explanation they'll
try to give it a material explanation
because they're materialists but they
haven't been able to so for that too
they say well we'll eventually find that
explanation yeah you know there's a lot
a lot of Doubt here it's certainly not
absolute now we have a lot of God
conscious scientists scientists who go
deep into science and they realize that
there's no way mathematically
scientifically all of this could come by
chance I mean I just can't wrap my mind
around any logical sensible person now
obviously what separates Islam from the
rest is that you know all these man-made
religions where people are worshiping
sticks Stones bones human beings men
women stars and and all and the universe
but we just worship the one who created
all these things and Islam just makes
sense but why do scientists many of them
in the universities they get blacklisted
now now that's as soon as they start
arguing design why is that do you think
that's right well that's you know look
who's in charge all right so just like
everything else they've been as I said
they've been very aggressive in their
movement and and spreading their ideas
it's taken hold you have key people in
in politics also who support that
ideology and so it it starts to slowly
take hold uh but the fact is that you're
right there's still people who do
question it as an example in the book we
mentioned they're actually several
hundred professors academics doctors
scientists who provide biological
criticisms or scientific criticisms of
evolution and that's available and
mentioned in the book so they're out
there but you know it's still a minority
uh but their arguments are there and
we've got to got to look into them
they're not the ones that are now on the
payroll of the university and now they
they're not bound to maybe losing their
job or whatnot so they can speak freely
we you know we were talking about
freedom a speech earlier some of them do
end up losing their job conveniently or
based on some other you know
explanations or rationals but uh you're
right that's another way that freedom of
speech is being suppressed in this
country unfortunately do you see
sometimes I mean uh we use a lot of
these because it's innate in us to
believe in the Creator now you have a
lot of things out there calling us to
fulfill our Cardinal desires and let's
talk about let's say uh the Young
University student now here you know you
know that to be in school to be in in
the university is different than to cut
class and be out there just you know um
doing whatever you want that's the easy
rate but now you have less people in the
higher you go up and and and in Islam
the the more you go up the more
discipline it takes the more you control
yourself to become a better human being
so do you think some people use this
there are some legitimate doubts that
obviously if you ask questions and
you're sincere God will guide you but
you think some people use these doubts
to go ahead and just leave off religion
all togethere so they can go have a good
time you get what I'm absolutely yeah
absolutely and we know in from Islamic
teachings I'm sorry not to say you can't
have a good time in Islam but just to go
do some of the most wretched things yes
absolutely so we know very well in Islam
that Satan makes sin and Disobedience
very tempting for us and very beautiful
he beautifies it and especially what
when you're at a young age you know
you're you're constantly weighing those
decisions should I do should I not do
self-control what they
call yeah that self-control that's
really the core or Essence of Islam so
it's not easy but the fact is that God
has given us the ability to reject you
know this insinuations and prodding of
Satan too uh so he he knows what we're
capable of like he says in the Quran too
that the that Shan doesn't have any
sulan or authority over us Satan also
says in the
Quran so don't blame me blame yourselves
so what does that mean it means that uh
in the end you can't just blame Satan
you can't come and blame God for your
own problems you still got to go back to
your own free will and say that look I
can make the right decisions and that's
where knowledge comes in that's where
our I comes in that's where our Dean
comes in to help make it easier and
that's where you have to have the right
social group the right peer group to
help make those decisions easier now you
have a lot of things you cover here I
mean some great things uh what is evil
suffering God in science the scientific
God mathematic proofs medical proofs uh
Darwin Evolution the list goes on Islam
and knowledge and all of these things
now if somebody really is having some
doubts parents want to help their kids
University student really wants to okay
have these doubts clear do you feel that
if they go through this book sincerely
looking for the truth that this will
help to shatter those doubts we honestly
do it's not me thinking that we've
actually cuz uh this book came out the
first edition in 2004 and alhamdulillah
it's been very well received uh you've
had a guest on this show brother of he
he actually mentioned his book on the
show that's right and and a lot of the
viewers I'm sure know brother Nan well
he he lives in the Dallas area I know
him well alhamdulillah he himself when
he described his story when he was in
New York tells about how he had all
those all those doubts right and he was
basically agnostic or atheist he he
himself says that right yes but then his
whole life was transformed so that's
when he read this book too he felt that
it addressed a lot of the key questions
that people had you know when they're
going through these difficult times so
again we can't be naive especially if
we're kind of older parents and our kids
are younger here we've immigrated from
other countries we have to realize that
our kids are exposed to a lot in this
society and they're exposed to various
questions and doubts and if we don't
answer them what's going to happen
you know a lot of the social scientists
say if you don't take care of these
things with each s successive generation
what happens you start to lose your
language you lose your culture and then
you lose your religion yes right unless
you really work hard to take care of
these things absolutely where can people
get the book where can people get the
book so alhamdulillah it's on available
on amazon.com we're trying to get some
additional uh Muslim Distributors uh but
alhamdulillah it's available uh like I
said amazon.com ni that's right God
Islam and the skeptic mind Dr s thank
you so much for being with us here so
much really appreciate it nice being
here thank you thank you peace be with
you Salam and that was Dr s God Islam in
the skeptic mind get the book and hatred
hate speech is a bitter pill to swallow
and it only makes you more sick that's
right and Islam doesn't teach us to be
out there hating teaches us really to
love and we love for all of mankind so
we really to combat this negative Force
we need to create awareness we need to
spread the love show the Peace of Islam
get out there and invite people share
with people it's not our job to try to
convert anybody no but it's out there to
give people an alternative to all of the
social illnesses the diseases that are
clogging the Mind people are are are are
on anti-depressants Prozac people are
committing suicide and Islam submission
to the Creator not the creation yes has
all the solutions but if they don't want
to accept they reject hey to you your
way to ours ours but now we might have a
new friend a neighbor that sees that hey
this Muslim really cares about me and
Society but how are they going to know
that if they get all the information
from the haters from the islamophobes
who are just making themselves more sick
we hope that you've gotten a benefit
we'll see you next time inshallah
condolences to all those innocent people
who have been recently killed that you
don't get to hear a lot a lot of that on
the media and stay safe we'll see you
next time subscribe if you haven't
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