have you heard of a Michael
franzine not a man who pledged himself
to the mafia is there a reason you were
drawn more to Islam than Christianity I
don't think the problem is Islam versus
Christian if you don't believe Jesus is
the son of God that's right then you
don't get to heaven look you accept
Jesus You're Going to Hell pretty much
right absolutely they believe he was a
messenger Jesus Is God but he's the son
of God so Jesus is the son of himself if
Jesus is the only way of to Heaven joh
3:16 God so loved the world Muslims
believe in Jesus and the father are one
before Abraham was I am excellent hey
man what are you talking about okay all
right's Abraham was I am everything I
was reading everything said his wife
sent them all the books he had
everything to do with Islam so does
Islam highly doubt that if he was not
sure whether Muslims believe Jesus came
back or not and you know what I
developed Andrew I developed a healthy
fear of hell and Prophet Muhammad said
that that person will be in the
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you just talking about it Mah it looks
like a fantastic project it's actually a
sign and I think for us as Muslims
inshallah to look up to in the UK try to
do something as big as this as
beneficial as it inshallah Allah bless
you for inviting me I'm happy to be here
you brother I appreciate that I really
um hope that we can have you when we
open up in have you come out to the dean
Center in that would be fantastic insh
may Allah ease our way coming back you
know without any issues on the way
inshallah so I wanted to um jump into
this um topic here this is um something
that uh you love talking about I love
talking about the things we're going to
be touching upon have you heard of a
Michael
franzine a man who pledged himself to
the mafia devising a scheme that brought
the family hundreds of millions of
dollars then came a woman and a moment
that made him walk away the name I have
heard the name but I'm not sure who this
person is have you heard of Al Capone
yeah I've heard I don't know who this
John
Gotti no John Gotti idea these were some
of the big gangsters okay Al Capone was
because you're in Chicago now right so
you hadone who actually died in prison
oh okay yep and then you had John Gotti
okay he died in prison you see where how
this is going right you're either dead
because this was kind of you start
this was a kind of a lifestyle that I
used to um kind of um uh aspire to
achieve Great Heights in and it was a
lifestyle that I idolized certain people
in and you know you watch a lot of the
Good Fellas and Godfather have you heard
of those movies yeah yeah these ones
yeah the the gangster movies gangster
movies so Michael franzine he's a former
mob boss he was from one of the the top
uh families called one the family he was
part was the Columbo family okay so he
ended up um his father was an under boss
and then he followed in his Father's
Footsteps and he made a lot of money
because he was running a scheme taking
the he was they were opening up gas
stations and then taking the tax money
from that they were charging the tax and
taking the the tax money from there
keeping it and and later it unfolded
they got caught and whatnot but um he
turned his life around okay Subhan Allah
he turned it towards Jesus okay and he
sat down with our brother recently
Andrew Tate really yeah that's
interesting okay now they had a nice
conversation okay and I thought we were
just talking about the past and already
passed away so so uh we're going to go
through the sit down that they had
that's interesting and we'll go ahead um
and have get some of your feedback and
discuss some of these points so we can
uh help him understand uh some of the
points that were mentioned because it's
connected some similarities with Islam
and also um Andrew Tate inshah um some
of the things that uh he he discussed we
can help him out also he's new to Islam
so this will be very educational to say
the least and then I was a Christian for
a while but I think I reverted to that
because I was raised Christian so I was
like I believe in God again so I'm a
Christian and then I read the Bible and
then I read the Quran and then I found
Infinity with Islam and it's a very
interesting conversation because in a
lot of ways they're a lot more similar
Than People realize they're actually
very similar but I don't feel qualified
to discuss Islam like that because it's
a very complicated religion and I'm a
revert I'm only two years in and I'm
learning all right so they're easing
into the conversation here and um
they'll get a little bit deeper so
Infinity this is my first question to
you he said uh Andrew Tate is talking
about he had an Infinity towards Islam
now you have spoken over the years to
many Christians and many of them
actually accepted Islam right what have
you seen in your experience draws people
toward this Infinity that people have
towards Islam what would you say it is
Subhan Allah so the first thing that I
noticed when you told me about the
background of this person he's talking
with is that you can see a change in the
west towards religion because theyve
they've tried the secular kind of
mentality TR the liberal mentality
they've seen its influences on their
children they've seen its influences on
the community and Society it's not
benefiting the society the families
anymore so you see this huge group of
people that that are returning and
coming back to what they would call call
conservatism or Christianity whatever
term that you want to label and yeah
interestingly enough here uh they talk
about the things that attracts people
towards Islam I the thing that I see the
most to be fair to be honest the most
the biggest reason I would see uh
Christians turning into Islam is the
confusion they go to the church they go
to the priest they go to the whatever
they go to they ask questions basic
questions they find that the teachings
of that religion is problematic the
teachings of that religion is confusing
is contradictory most of the time for
instance that they would say Jesus is
God but he's praying to God Jesus Is God
but he didn't know everything Jesus Is
God but uh he died you know Jesus is God
but he never said he was God like all of
these things which are like very simple
okay there's something called the
Trinity why is that Trinity you go to
every Christian they will tell you
something else you go to Every priest
they will tell you something different
that's why you see in the church history
itself the church fathers were were not
disagreeing with each other on what the
Trinity is you had list long list of
Pharisees partialism model long list
because they themselves were confused
about what the Trinity was and you had
even Augustine and his writings he just
like he said it's a mystery you know
let's we end up uh submitting to the
fact that this is a mystery and then you
go to the next step okay there's not
even Trinity in the Bible so why do we
deal with the mystery that not the word
Trinity because a lot of Christians oh
word it's not about the word the concept
itself is not there so uh what ends up
happening is that these people go to the
CH Church priest whoever it is they end
up telling them it's a mystery that
that's one thing the other thing is that
you see the religion of Christianity has
become uh non-existent from what sense
religion of Christianity Today has
become liberalism liberalism has become
Christianity Christianity has become
liberalism they've merged in the west
they've became one ideology the truth is
now a lot of the people that would call
themselves Christians they're actually
liberal they're not Christians and I
have in conversations before with many
of these Christians like they as like
you see with with the LGBT and all all
of these basically ideologies and things
to do that are against their religion
and and insulting uh which they would
call blasphemy right and blasphemy was
punishable by death if you look at the
Roman Empire when it's adopted
Christianity and what it did to anyone
who was having Blasphemous or heretic
beliefs they were absolutely killed like
they were no maybe in the Bible this is
in Christianity this is in in history
church history church history absolutely
church history no one would deny this
the the group the groups that were
heretic were killed by the uh the the
emperors at the time or by authorities
because they were heretic and doing
heretic beliefs right uh but today the
people will insult Jesus peace be upon
him and then you only hear the Muslims
speaking because we do speak he our
prophet and messenger and we love him
true love which means that you will
behave and act based on it right not
just speech right uh because anyone can
say I love you I love this and this is
what we hear Christians saying all the
time not about Jes but even about us we
love you you know we love you but then
they're not going to let you speak
they're going to insult you and your
family they will attack you in the
streets they will insult you but oh we
love you and we'll give you the other
cheek it's just words but when you look
at the actions it's not there so the
most thing that I've seen like bringing
people towards Islam is these two things
right Muslims are firm they're actually
practicing the most practicing religion
in the world and they're actually firm
it's because I hear this term specific
term all the time they don't practice
what they preach if I had a penny for
each time a Christian told me this
probably be rich by now you know but who
does impact the uh the people in the
church or the people are practicing they
they say that not even they don't just
say the they don't practice what they
preach they exactly they say the people
in the church this is very very Comm
these words as I said if you want to put
them like a penny for each time a
Christian told me this I'll be rich they
say we go to this circle by Bible
circles and they don't practice what
they preach what they teach us is not
what they're doing in reality so you
will see that they don't practice what
they preach they've become liberal and
the Creeds itself and the teachings are
confusing they're not supporting and
they end up telling you it's a mystery
in my experience I would say that's the
most this the overwhelming majority of
why people leave Christianity and turn
into something else whether it is Islam
or another reason is there anything from
what you just saw before we go on to the
next that stood out that you want to
comment on yeah the um what Andrew Tate
said which is interesting is that
waiting for an individual and not
behaving it's not just the Christians
doing that you got other groups you got
even a group that is a very minority
group in Islam a lot of people people
hear this term Sunni Shia they hear
these terms a lot but the reality is
Shia is less than 10% of Muslims they're
minority and they're not representative
of of the beliefs of the majority but
you will find many of the Shia waiting
for someone called Mahi MH they're not
doing anything right they just living
life the way they want to live and he's
going to come back or he's already here
but he's going to come out sometime so
it's the same thing the idea of waiting
you have a lot of Jew Jews as well
waiting right for whom they would call
the actual Messiah so this idea of
waiting surprisingly it's not just with
with you know we find it with Christians
you find it with many groups and and
it's it's a profound Point that he's
making is that you you you don't live
your life waiting for something oh this
is going to happen to that you live your
life doing the responsibilities that you
like many people they do all of these uh
you know uh incorrect problematic
calculations of when the day of judgment
is going to come oh the day of judgment
is like you 2 plus two in the Quran this
it's going to come in that year and how
many times they were wrong and you
cannot imagine how many times they were
incorrect but the thing is these people
do this and they focus a lot on the day
of judgment and they neglect thei of the
Prophet when the man came to him and the
prophet told him what did you PR prepare
for it like right now what are you doing
what did you prepare for the day of
judgment when he when he asked them
exactly so the man asked him is when is
the day of judgment and then the prophet
instead of telling him is this time or
that time or we don't know which is the
answer he said to him what what are you
doing in preparation for it so in this
case what what are you doing in
preparation for Jesus coming back what
are you doing for preparation for
whoever is coming back like what
behaviors or what actions are you and
your community doing to uh enhance your
life to prepare for that to make the
world better and more beneficial and
that's why you see Muslims not we're not
waiting for anyone yes we believe Jesus
is coming back because he was asking him
this question and there's a little bit
of maybe hesitation no Muslims believe
in the second let's be explicitly clear
Muslims believe in the second coming of
Jesus and and this is uh explicitly
mentioned that he's going to come
back that Jesus the son Mary will
descend upon you uh because we believe
he was risen up we don't believe he died
and then he's going to descend upon us
and and then he's going to kill the pig
the swine he going to break the cross so
a lot of people say why is he coming
back we say he's coming back first to
correct the misbeliefs or mis uh
confusions that happened that people
started attributing Divinity to him he's
going to come and say look here I am I'm
not Divine I'm not God I'm not the Son
of God and this is your cross the cross
that you used I'm going to break it
because I am a messenger sent by God and
a prophet a messenger of God that's the
first thing because this confusion
you're not going to see happening did
not happen with Noah did not happen with
Abraham did not happen with Moses so why
do you need to come back to clarify and
the second second thing is a mission
that is given by Allah which is to kill
the Antichrist so Muslims believe that
like this is there's no doubt about that
we believe in it but we don't live our
life waiting uh when is this going to
happen because when that time comes it's
going to be a time of trials and
tribulations and Muslims don't wait for
tri and tribulations because the prophet
sallallahu alaihi wasallam he said
there's no Prophet or messenger except
that he warned his people from the it's
a very difficult time it's the one of
the strongest FNA the strongest trial
tribulation that will happen to the
Muslims that's why in every prayer in
the end we say we seek
refug in the end of the prayer we say
this it's a Dua that we supplicate uh
because we we don't want to be in that
time so we're not waiting for anyone we
do believe it but Muslims live their
life and they practice uh as much as
they can so that's when you were saying
when the man came to asked the prophet
Muhammad last found a messure sent to
mankind about the day of judgment he
absolutely he didn't know when it was he
said what have you done to prepare for
it reminded me I think it Mark 13:32 if
I'm not mistaken when one came to Jesus
same thing he said the same thing he
said he don't know absolutely the Angels
don't know no one knows but the Creator
knows absolutely so this is you can see
the commonality here right he could have
made some stuff up yes if he was a fraud
he could have just like you know why put
himself in a spot like of he's ignorant
about it the absolutely subh Allah is
the same echoing the same statement in
the Quran is uh when he said that no one
knows except Allah when
Allah or or when Angel Gabriel came to
the prophet and then he said the one
who's asking does not know more than the
one who's being asked yeah essentially
echoing the same thing that Jesus peace
be upon him said as you said in Mark
13:32 and no one knows the day and the
hour so this knowledge has only been for
Allah it's only been a unique knowledge
given to the Creator and that's why
there's no use for those people doing
calculations if the prophet peace be
upon Him does not know we you and me
will not know and if Jesus does not know
it shows that these people too are
coming as the prophet
he and I'm the closest or ally or friend
of Jesus please be upon him this is
proph mammad muhamed yes yes and he said
that he's the closest prophet and
Messenger to me and and that we're like
cousins prophets are like cousins this
is the prophet speaking about Jesus
because a lot of the Christians they
think like Muslims have some enity or
hatred toward Jesus this is how the
prophet this is another group of people
oh yeah this is another group yeah yeah
yeah yeah they have imity and hatred yes
there's a a group of people that we
could see today America's funding like
send all our tax money absolutely
absolutely and they
have a group called APAC and then you
have majority of the control when it
comes to the the government and who does
who and what and when do you do and what
you don't do and and the these group is
if you actually if you read their their
T and if you read the writings and you
see what they're actually saying right
about Jesus peace be upon him and saying
that it's a habit to to spit on him and
then saying calling him names and and
saying that he is I don't want to even I
mean this is just for educational
purposes because people got it twisted
they taken us as but you know as the
enemy but when you sit you see this
Infinity that you know this love that
he's showing for Jesus peace be upon Him
amazing and then uh before we go to the
next clip it reminded me of the Hadith
the saying of prophet Muhammad peace and
bless upon him said if the day of
judgment was to come tomorrow plant
plant a tree absolutely absolutely does
that show us Subhan Allah exactly that
the prophet said if the day of judgment
happens and you are there you see it and
you have a plant in your hand something
to plant plant it plant it plant the
seed so do the deed don't don't stop the
day of judgment is there I'm going I'm
going to stop so even to that extent
Muslims are people of actions we should
be may Allah make us like this but to
that extent you see Muslims are being
people of actions like even the day of
judgment the end times is there but
still plant that seed because that seed
you will get that reward for it yes you
will get the reward for it because Allah
rewards you also with the intention not
just with the that that thing
specifically happening so subh Allah
like but so it's it's a very interesting
perspective if you expound upon what
he's saying there I would say okay so
here we're going to go to the next one
uh I'm reading this like Michael
franzine he's reading the situation and
you'll see uh if you agree later he's
going to start giving his daah okay so
pay attention to that all right well no
you're right because faith without works
is not it's meaningless but let me AG
very interesting because you said you
believe Jesus is coming back yeah and
yet you're ISL so does Islam they do
yeah so they believe that Jesus is the
son of God yeah okay they believe he was
a messenger they don't believe he's a
Son of God I have to be I I I don't want
to say anything incorrect because if I
say anything incorrect the the Muslim
World jumps all over me but they do
believe he was a messenger they believe
he was a prophet M along with Muhammad
and along with Moses they believe in a
lot of the same things I guess the very
simp listic way to understand or explain
Islam is they believe in the Bible they
believe in all of it they just wrote one
more book afterwards by one more
messenger Muhammad peace be upon him and
in his book he said Christians are right
everything's right but there's also this
part that's the very simplistic view of
it okay there's a lot to unpack there
right let me start off with what stood
out um is what Michael franzine started
off with he mention faith without works
this is Islamic
concept but usually I mean this is in
the in in the Bible where James is
talking about faith without works but
how how do you now because usually and
then you have Paul saying you know your
good deeds are like filthy rags right
absolutely yeah this in Isaiah I believe
yeah so so you got this idea of of like
demeaning the works and then Paul's
saying that you don't need works you
just need Faith right and and so Michael
franzine he's more his what he just said
is more on the Islamic side yes yes and
the criticism of the preachers when they
come to you is that Islam uses Deeds
deeds and through the Deeds that you you
attain salvation which is now he's
saying the opposite of that right yeah
so this is the thing Christians are this
is something that happens with a lot of
Christians not every Christian but a lot
of the Christians they they're very
convenient meaning that they take the
position uh depending on the event right
right we are we are today we want to
talk about because the Bible itself is
contradictory which allows them to do
this if the Bible itself is
contradictory and contradiction then you
can jump to the opposite position
whenever you like whenever the you know
it's convenient you would jump to the
different position so for example in
this case whenever you want to talk
about Works underneath the work they'll
jump to the J James writings whenever
they speaking against Muslims they jump
into polls and and you know and Isaiah
whenever you show them verses that Jesus
is not God they say Humanity whenever
you show them whenever they use the
other vers say okay this is Divinity so
they jump into whichever kind of
position uh that that is convenient for
them because the teachings itself is a
contradiction so it allows them to keep
jumping from one to another and the
interesting thing I want to say here is
this right like Andrew he started by
saying what is I don't want to say
anything wrong and I want to First say
two things first it's commendable to say
you don't know something before you
speak when you don't know something so
we want to like say that this is a
commendable thing from him to say and
and that that this is a great uh
attribute to say right it's a great
because some people just speak you know
like people asking me therefore I'm
going to speak so he is clarifying that
the second thing he says the Muslim
world is going to jump on me if I say
something wrong and we say that is the
reason you chose Islam mhm this is what
we'll say to him if I was sitting down
with him I'll tell him that's why you
accepted Islam you accepted Islam
because Muslims have lines they have
boundaries they don't allow incorrect
things to be said about Islam they don't
allow confusing messages to be spread
out they are standing their ground and
the teachings is what the book says not
what I think and I feel at the moment we
don't change and if someone's trying to
change by saying something opposite what
we believe we're going to correct it so
I'll say to him that this is what comes
with becoming a Muslim right is that you
need to understand that if you are
speaking in a public sphere and you've
got a massive uh following and an
audience many of which are not
necessarily educated there will be a
need for people to clarify statements
that are being made so that that's what
I would say to him uh but I want to say
something else is that for someone to
say I'm not educated or I'm not like
knowledgeable like right now I'll say
I'm not a doctor right say
hypothetically say I'm not a doctor not
studied
medicine and uh I don't want to say
anything that doctors are going to
correct me but this is how you operate
on heart that defeats the purpose of
what I just said right because I just
said that I'm not I don't have
Specialties in that field I cannot then
after a minute start giving you
information about that thing in which
I'm not familiar with but I'll say with
with with our brother Andrew he's got
like a little bit of a difficult
situation in which because of his uh
massive audience he is cornered into
being ask questions all the time about
Islam cuz he's public about accepting
Islam which is doing a lot of goodness
and that's why he's always on the spot
being asked questions and that's why
it's essential and it is very important
if brother Andrew ever sees this it's
essential that uh we sit down with
people of knowledge and we seek
knowledge even we look we we pay money
for many things to take care of our
health of our health to look uh the best
representable manner to uh brag and show
off our cars our houses this and that we
do we pay money for many things even if
it needed you to fly a scholar from a
complete different continent so you can
educate yourself and and learn uh
everyone this is everyone we're speaking
in general to educate yourself and learn
to that which will benefit you in the
long term which is your afterlife not
this life which changes in a day you're
here a day you're there no we're talking
about the Eternal never-ending life even
if you pay money even if you try to get
someone just to make sure that you get a
grasp of that Basics and it doesn't take
that long you to get a grasp be
surprised especially for someone as
intelligent as brother Andrew not going
to take that long to take a grasp so
you'll be able to represent the beliefs
foundations of Islam correctly correctly
and avoid any issues of anyone coming
out and saying uh and he's got a lot of
potential absolutely right he's got a
lot of potential absolutely extremely
elent he yeah he can he can really get a
grasp of these fundament very easily
absolutely it's not it's not something
complicated absolutely like and he's
very eloquent uh he's very charismatic
and his he knows how to make people
listen you know some people when they
speak people will listen some people
when you speak you see them talking to
each other in the background because
you're not you're not attract you're not
charismatic enough for them to actually
listen to you he's got that Charis
charismatic effect he's got the
intelligence and that's what led him to
Islam because he's got the intelligence
that which led him eventually to Islam
so now it's capitalizing on that
intelligence through actually describing
things the correct way now so he went on
uh to speak about certain things in
which we would say are a bit
problematic uh from an Islamic point of
view uh regarding Muslims and Christians
and and which views they would hold so
for instance we would say as Muslims is
like Muslims don't believe in the full
Bible is correct and the Christians are
just correct the way they are and and
that's we have a new book and I just
have another book on top of it and I
understand not to uh attack him or
anything that's not the purpose he said
that this is a simplified way of putting
it
but this is not the case is that Muslims
we don't say that just this is another
book that we're going to believe in
there are fundamental beliefs that that
make distinguishes Muslims from
Christians and that Muslims believe that
the Bible what people call the Bible
today is a scripture that has been
changed meaning there was additions
omissions and alterations to the text in
fact Christian Scholars themselves would
admit to this now this is an important
point this is not just Muslims making
this up absolutely I mean there is a
verse in the Quran Allah is saying that
those who write the book with their
hands absolutely chapter 2 ver 79 yes
but you have what is it Bruce Mesker
absolutely Bart arum so many different
Absolut academics Bible scholars who
have confirmed Matthew didn't write
Matthew Luke didn't write Luke these are
unanimous books we don't even know who
wrote them to that extent uh and you'll
find that this is like a common thing
like you mentioned Brut M he has a book
called The text of the New Testament
transmission corruption and restoration
he talks about the corruption himself uh
and and Bart Erman used to be a
Christian left Christianity and then
he's got misquoting Jesus as many as
well as many other books talking about
the uh problems people of course call
The Gospel books Matthew Mark Luke and
John well they call them Matthew Mark
Luke and John because we don't know who
wrote these books and there's no point
calling them Sam Fred Jerry and Harry I
mean they're they're written by people
we don't know who they were written by
they are Anonymous you might not think
so because they have the title The
Gospel according to Matthew whoever put
that title on it was an editor later the
followers of Jesus were Aramaic speaking
peasants from G
lower class men who were not educated in
fact Peter and John in Acts chapter 4:
13 are literally said to be illiterate
they couldn't read and write of course
not they were fishermen they didn't go
to school the vast majority of people in
the ancient world never learned to read
let alone write and their native
language was Aramaic these books are
written in Greek by Highly Educated
rhetorically trained writers who are
skilled in Greek composition how do you
how do you like how do you because this
could be sensitive to a lot of people
and you know you have people who are
just PID day and night they don't talk
about their religion and they just talk
about Islam right but when we come I
really you know generally we come from a
place of love we want the best for all
of mankind so we bring these things up
can be sensitive but we're not doing it
with a malicious intent to oh I got you
and look at your ab is a place of
bringing the information so you can like
question and then from here you know
look at the completion absolutely Quran
came to actually give you an alternative
here how do you how do you like to you
know when you're talking PE to to to
Christians do you find they get offended
when you bring these facts up that other
Christians are actually you study this
stuff in seminary school yes yes it's
true and and Subhan Allah they have this
term that they say truth hurts right
they have this this term and use it for
a reason because it does when the truth
is opposite to what you believe or you
desire it hurts right and this is the
case with Muslims and non-muslims like
there certain teaches you say to Muslims
that it would be difficult for them to
absorb and you know start telling them
music is Haram and then you hear them
they're like okay and finding difficulty
with it you start telling so truth in
general can be against your desires
because this life is not for you to
fulfill your desires right so what
happens is yes some Christians will take
but we try to explain to them is like if
I care about Christians and if I want
goodness for them but actually there
something very surprising is the
majority of Christians that start
meeting today are of that view already
that they believe that there's been
alteration to the scripture so I don't
get that it's just these people online
that you said that just their job is try
to to hold us back as much even the
academic sphere I don't think there
anyone who reputable who's an academic
today that would argue the inherency
kind of creed of the Bible meaning there
no errors at all I don't think is a
single one now they've moved into a
complete one complete different position
you're not going to find that anymore
because of the overwhelming evidence and
manuscripts that shows that there is
changes and differences and Muslims
believe in the truth that can be found
in these scriptures which is truth
meaning that there are true statements
for example when Jesus said in Mark 6:4
uh or sorry it's in Mark 64 or
Deuteronomy 6:4 or Not Jesus Moses when
he says that hero Israel our Lord God is
one God right yes we believe in that
right we Muslims believe is only one God
where you worship like we don't
associate parners with them and Jesus
also he equ the statement that there is
one God in Mark 18:18 I believe that man
asked him so there is only one God right
we believe in that and this is something
that would affirm for example thou shall
not kill rape steal all of these things
Muslims would affirm and would say okay
this these statements are true but what
Muslims believe in is not what we what
you call the Bible Bible is just from
biblus a collection of books M from
different people we believe in something
we call the injil why is that inil inil
means good news and it was direct
Revelation given to Jesus while Mark
Matthew Luke and John were written later
after Jesus they were not handed and
given to Jesus Allah says in the
Quran and we gave him the gospel Jesus
was given the gospel that Muslims
believe in the Gospel of Jesus he was
given to Jesus so whatever was written
later is not what Muslims believe in
that we call the gospel and the tah that
was given directly to Moses is not the
did SE Scrolls which is 2,000 years
separate later written by unknown people
just like the New Testament is written
by unknown people so Muslims would
believe in truth in truth true
statements if they're there but we take
the Quran as a Criterion as Allah says
in the Quran chapter 5 of the Quran you
have verse 48 Etc where it talks about
the Quran being the criteria over the
previous scriptures so it shows us where
people have changed where people have
altered you use it as a standard to to
see okay this is against the Quran then
there's alteration here this is in line
with the Quran and this is a true
statement we don't have an issue with it
so Muslims do not wholesale reject or
affirm or accept the Bible we are
depending on whatever the teaching is
we'll use the Quran as a Criterion and
depending on the fact the absolute fact
that there has been changes we will
affirm that which is true and we will
deny that
yeah so um to help people understand so
you have the Bible because many Muslims
actually fell into this also they say
yeah we believe in the the inil is the
New Testament right and they'll say yeah
we believe in the Bible but just so
people can understand these are
Anonymous books in there so you have the
word of God in there the word of the
prophets historian disciples sahab it's
just a mixture like the Quran is the
words of the Creator the Hadith now
uh the words of prophet Muhammad then
you have the words of the sah right so
it's separate abolutely so the Bible so
people understand everything is just
mixed up right so now to say that you we
believe in the whole Bible you give a
great example hereo Israel the Lord thy
God is one that's the pure monotheism
absolute monotheism that's confirmed by
Prophet Muhammad Moses all the prophets
but then there's things in there um and
again just making this example so he can
hit home for some people some things
that we would strongly object to these
are lies distortions for example uh L
lot in Genesis having relations I know
could be sensitive A lot of people just
this because the prophets are the best
men that walk the earth but the question
is this if it's sensitive how can it be
in the scripture is from God like like
if you right now you're I get
uncomfortable talking about it because
these are things that right that's a
good point and imagine you get
uncomfortable talking about the Quran is
it something I like I be like okay how
can my children read this book in which
I can be UNC and we're not talking about
other verses that talks about like very
like we're just being but you get the
point I'm trying to make but that's a
good point right there why would you
feel uncomfortable but you can't sit
your daughter on her lap and say hey
we're going we're going to read this
together yes and then you know what is
it uh Timothy 3:16 I think it was that
all scripture is for correction Repro
second Timothy 3 yeah second so there
has that means that what's the moral of
the story is it for what for learning a
lesson absolutely for righteous unto gu
to to guidance what is it there are
things in there with all due respect to
respect to Michael
frine and and um anybody else who's now
um listening a Christian our Christian
friends neighbors MH is that then you
have other things in there um making
some of the prophets like Idol
worshippers David Solomon Solomon David
with the woman that that he killed so he
can do adultery communication with the
other women these are lies BL there's no
debate about this M right so these parts
we can't if we believe in it then we
believe in all this but we don't because
these are these are things that been
absolutely thrown in there and and the
interesting thing is this is that the
Bible itself calls lot a righteous
servant in which then I'm surpris like
because the thing is they say he drinks
and then he was drunk okay but getting
drunk that drunk is already a sin in
Christianity lat Al Islam now so it's
you can the Christians you can drink a
little bit but not drunk so getting
drunk to the extent in which you cannot
recognize to times one daughter one
night and the other daughter the second
night this is like a little bit like uh
uh to be polite so uh these things we
this why when Muslims say Noah also Noah
compare when it comes when it comes to
the prophets and
Messengers it it is back to whose
writings are these old testament which
nation was writing this the nation that
went to the extent that did not leave
God let alone the prophet and Messengers
God forgets and needs to to to be
reminded here greats he's weak and he's
defeated when he's fighting you know in
Genesis against Jacob all of these
things are attributed let alone now
people humans the Creator himself has
not uh you know been safe he's not safe
from uh the changes and manipulations
that took place uh prophets and
Messengers wouldn't be so that's why
Islam comes to rectify and correct like
and I always say this this very simple
question to people okay look I'm coming
to learn from you and I know that you
had intercourse with your own daughters
would I learn from you
no absolutely not the now imagine the
examples for mankind were supposed to
teach mankind how is he supposed to be
example for me now then that opens the
door for someone to go ahead and do the
same thing absolutely he did it he's a
man of God absolutely and he's a
righteous servant I'm also a righteous
servant and I'm doing the same thing God
called him a righteous servant so why
not call me a righteous servant but then
Jesus died for your sins you're all good
you and that that is a contradiction and
that is where people do not relate this
is where people start okay uhoh this is
a bit now it doesn't this does not make
any sense if Jesus died for our sins I
can do whatever I want he already died
for that sin whatever sin I do right now
he already died for that sin they say no
no no no if you believe in Jesus your
righteousness will stop you from doing
sin and every single one will admit that
they're still committing sins they are
still and the interesting thing is
there's a verse in in first John that
says that
uh whoever believes in Jesus or has
Jesus in him or believes in Jesus he
cannot commit sin and whoever commits
sin is a child of Satan so it says you
are a child of Satan basic basically you
don't know Jesus and Jesus is not in you
if you still commit sins and every
single Christian commits sins whether
they accept Jesus or they don't they
still do it so how would you then
explain this verse that you have in
first John and which explicitly tells
you that you are the child of Satan if
you still commit sense because
realistically God created us this way in
a way in which we will fall we'll make
mistakes there is not a justification to
commit sins but it is that Allah is
asking you to do as best as you can and
that best as you can you're not going to
be perfect
you will fall but you stand up and you
repent and you come back you come back
you come back to the Creator because God
created you that way and then it's a
given that this will happen it's not an
excuse for doing it it's a given that
that it will happen sooner or later and
that's why uh our brother Andrew here
he's trying to bring the idea closer but
yes this is not the case we don't we
don't like believe the same thing as the
Christians we don't we reject the
Trinity we don't believe in the in the
death of uh Jesus we don't believe Jesus
died as the Christians believe we don't
believe in the original sin and
therefore the Forgiveness of sins
based on that scripture as we said we
believe there's issues with the
preservation when it comes to the
scripture all of these are fundamental
differences between the Christians and
the Muslims and therefore we cannot say
just that they the same just another
book we believe in previous books as
well that were given to previous
Messengers like the Torah that was given
to Moses not the one that is the D
Scrolls that people say today believe in
a scripture that was given to Abraham of
ibraim we believe these previous
Messengers they had Revelation it's not
necessarily preserved right now a lot of
the people say can people change God's
words we will say is that Allah
entrusted the rabbis and the priests as
Allah says in the Quran chapter 5 that
he entrusted the rabbis and the priests
to preserve the Scripture it was a test
and they did not preserve it and Allah
took it upon himself to preserve the
Quran because it's a scripture for
eternity until the day of judgment and
that that's why Allah took that mission
all right let's go to the uh next clip
here but the separation is that if you
don't believe Jesus the Son of God
that's right then you don't get to
heaven that's right and that's scary you
what I developed Andrew I developed a
healthy fear of hell yeah you're in the
hole if this is it if this is the rest
of Eternity like this only a million
times worse and even if it isn't worse
this is it I'm here alone by myself
separated from everyone I love and this
is it and at that point in time I have
my Bible in there I had my wife send me
every book you can imagine Christian
faith Hindu everything I was reading
everything and for me the separation was
okay all of this makes sense but if
Jesus is the only way to heaven and I
reject that then no matter how good I am
no matter what else I do I'm going
nowhere this is going to be Eternity for
me right and I like when um because
sometimes there's the elephant in the
room and now it's like when we get this
elephant out of the room and we let
people know like he's he was given da
now he's letting Andrew know like look
you accept Jesus or you going to hell
pretty much right absolutely yeah so now
it it opens up that we can also share
and we come from a place of love we want
the best for mankind the same thing you
have now and we'll get into you know did
Jesus actually say that if you if you
don't take me as a little son of God uh
if you don't did he say that I came to
die for your sins I ask you that but the
same thing here where Prophet Muhammad
peace and blessing be upon him he said
the one who hears about me Jew or
Christian and denies me right you get a
clear understanding right now Michael
franzine he's listening to this we're
going to explain who Prophet Muhammad is
we're explain explain the TR the true
nature of Jesus and Prophet Muhammad
said that that person will be in the
Hellfire anyone the Quran is clear
anyone who Associates partners with God
I mean this is like just so easy to
understand one God and if you violate
that if you set up partners with God you
make a human you make Prophet Muhammad
God you make money your God Absolut you
know anything alongside with God that's
Hellfire if you die upon that but you
could have been doing that and you
repent and and God can can forgive you
so what do you think now from what he
was saying where do you want to go from
Subhan Allah uh first thing I want to
highlight the contradiction I heard
personally which is what where people
try to be apologetic in a way in which
is problematic in which he said that we
say that these other religions can be
good but can be good but go to Hellfire
that makes no sense for me like
personally like I think anyone hearing
is how can something be good and lead
you to Hellfire and this is where we as
Muslims would say no we don't say
believing in these religions is good we
say believing in these other faiths
other than Islam is polytheism it is sh
it is denying God it is we we didn't
call that good right and this is where
it will make us distinguished from being
apologetic and being oh no no it's all
good no no it's not because how can you
be good if you'll end up in Eternal
Hellfire that makes no sense that's the
first thing that I noticed in what he
was saying and the second thing I
noticed is like this idea of fear of
Hellfire which is I think the opposite
of the message of Christianity that's
another contradiction I find because
when you go to churches you go to
Christians the last thing they tell you
is about Hellfire right so that's a good
point so Michael is actually closer to
Islam again absolutely Michael I mean
again because I would tell him just go
to the church which church is talking to
you about Hellfire I I'll even about
love love absolutely Jesus loved you
loves you he died for yourself that's
that's what you listen be forgiven give
the other cheek this is the message that
is being pushed of Christianity so right
now see you're giving The Message of
Islam in a gaze of Christianity like
you're giving Michael you're giving The
Message of Islam to the Gaze of
Christianity oh no in again many covered
as it is as if it is Christianity or
something right we say no that's that's
not how it is right so we say the truth
is this is the message of Islam what
you're given right now what you're
saying is that there will be punishment
Etc this is the message of Islam is not
the message of Christianity message of
Christianity is about someone came died
and everyone is Forgiven everyone is
good that's why when you look at the
Bible there's no description of heal
fire how can you support what what fire
are you scared of when you're reading
the the scripture you only have
something called the Lake of Fire that's
it they took probably took all those uh
yeah out where is that where is where's
the in detailed description of the
punishment is detail abolutely Paradise
is detail Hell Fire like no other book
out there absolutely absolutely telling
you specific types of punishment telling
you how
uh of those who dis believe in our
verses will make them taste the
fire when every time that their is
roasted we replace them with a new skin
so they canens that's another sign right
there that's amazing Miracle abely so so
you've got all of these verses that give
specific descriptions of punishments and
that's why we see another wisdom here
which is the wisdom of Allah speaking
about punishment because a lot of people
come and say why is it all of these
speech about punishment this and that
reason is that there are people who live
a very strong and sinful life in a way
in which their murderers their character
in which that can be a huge deter that
returns returns them back to the truth
some people who who prefer uh you know
gentleness and night and nice and
kindness and love and mercy that's why
Muslims they are like ISL said like a
bird with two Wings yes One Wing is the
fear and the other Wing is Hope complete
balance absolutely so we've got this
balance that we apply and through that
balance that we apply we work as Muslims
we don't just recline on one side and
leave the other side but this fear of
Hellfire I think a lot of Muslims need
the truth is there's a lot of speakers
who are
too uh apologetic too nice too they
never talk about things which are also
difficult they never talk about
punishment they talk about only mercy
and love and forgiveness which is good a
part of Islam but you have a half in
which you're selling people a different
message this is not the message of Islam
that J us forgiveness and peace is the
message of Christianity Now The Message
of Islam is that there is a balance
Allah is Allah is severe and Punishment
and
Punishment same verse and Allah is
Forgiven and merciful Allah in one verse
multiple locations in the Quran you'll
see that Allah links the punishment and
and the forgiveness in one verse to tell
you look there's a
balance be afraid if you're living a
very sinful life but also know that the
door of repentance is is open is there
that Allah can forgive you uh but at the
same time do not transgress and think
you're going to live your life do
whatever you want to do there is a
balance so we tell him that that message
that you're preaching that message that
you're given the public now the message
the message that you're conveying is the
message of Islam not the message of
Christianity that tells you about just
forgiveness someone talking about to
Michael again absolutely the former
mafia boss 100% this is the message to
him Michel come on Michael you're closer
to Islam now uh did Jesus ever ever
explicitly you you have uh implicit and
explicit statements in the Bible do you
have any explicit statements that Jesus
said look that if you don't believe me
being the Son of God I came to die for
your sins you're going to go to the
Hellfire because I mean it it would be
unjust that if things you know if they
you're getting pulled over at a police
man there's no stop sign just like
supposed to figure it out on your own
but here is there anything that you've
seen that you come across that's clear
because he's saying he's pretty much
telling Andrew like if you don't accept
Jesus as your as the Son of God coming
to die for your sins you're basically
going to Hellfire absolutely now I'll
ask a question to return yeah have you
ever heard a debate in which someone
says let's debate whether Allah says
he's God or not no ever in your life
have you ever like search the internet
debate
whether if the Creator yeah says he's
God is saying that he's God or not in
the Quran or in Islam have you ever
heard that debate titled this no
absolutely not no in history have you
heard a book A book written with this
title no now how many debates and how
many books and how many things have you
heard about Jesus saying this now the
reason I try to flip it is for people to
understand is that this is a
foundational belief if ever there was a
clear description like there is in the
Quran saying that Allah is God where
they worship Etc they would never be a
debate throughout history of anyone ever
trying to say that Jesus did not say
explicitly that he was God now H and
would be no need because Muslims would
lose we start the okay let's see if
Jesus said he's gone the next the guy is
going to come okay Mark 1:1
hypothetically Jesus is on God the
debate is over and the Muslim is lost
but the reason we have these debates is
because we know for a fact without a
shadow of doubt that there is not a
single verse that is unequivocal that is
clear that is not ambiguous
not one from Jesus himself saying that
he is God saying asking the people to
worship him saying that he's equal with
God push back a little bit go ahead yeah
of course we welcome to push back and
this is it like like I've been doing
this for a while and not just me people
before I was born and people before they
were born have been doing this and been
asking the question come let's show us
these statements before Abraham was I am
excellent hey man what are you talking
about okay all right listen Abraham was
I in let's respond like I always have a
funny response to this this which is
specifically in in John CH 8:58 the
verse that you just quoted but I just
say okay before Abraham was I am explain
what does that mean what does that prove
what what is the meaning of this verse
now they they sto there surprisingly you
know what is really funny is like almost
every Christian as what does that mean
they don't know how to respond which
shows to me a a robotic kind of
preaching from the church that they take
words but they don't understand what
words means and they go around with it
using it as evidences okay my question
is what does it mean I'll help them
sometimes they usually I have to help
them in the end because they don't know
I'll say there's two views there that
Christians use whichever view you want
to take right first view is that they
say I am is the name of God and they use
they go to Exodus chapter 3 where Moses
is like speaking with God and God said
to him I shall be I shall be in which
they will say I am which that's not what
the Hebrew says but you actually recite
it now in the the Hebrew yes the Hebrew
what the Hebrew says or I shall be what
I shall be Etc but they translate as I
am what I am let's accept the transl I
like to be generous with with our uh
Christian friends and uh you know
listeners I'll say okay let's accept
your argument okay it says I am is the
name of God let's take the argument so I
am is a name of God so let's remove I am
and put God because I am is the name of
God it's a noun right so let's put God
before Abraham was God okay uh do you
disagree that before Abraham was God
does any human being disagree that
before Abraham was God and that makes
perfect sense in the context because a
lot of people don't know the context
fact the 99.9 % of the Christians that
mentions don't know the context context
is that they were speaking to uh Jesus
and he mentioned Abraham and they've
told him youve not known Abraham you're
like somewhat three years old you've not
met Abraham you're still young Abraham
was way back then he told him before
Abraham was I which if he says before
Abraham was God he means that God was
there since eternity so he can tell me
about Abraham and I can tell you through
God about Abraham I can tell you through
about him through Moses I can tell you
about Moses I can tell you about anyone
because God who is there from the
beginning can tell you everything so
that's one way to understand it okay so
it doesn't work it doesn't help you if
you say I am is the name of God because
he has to say I am I am in this case has
to say I am the noun I am God but he
didn't say that he just said one I am
the other way to understand this they
will say it means that he was eternal
because Jesus uh was born after Abraham
thousands of years Etc that means he was
eternal we say no first we disagree that
he was eternal because that does not say
he was from the beginning just as he was
before Abraham and a human being can
exist before before Abraham and still
not be God the devil was there before
Abraham was he God was not God so just
existing before a prophet does not mean
you're Eternal and it does not mean
you're God but would say okay let's
accept he's Eternal be nice again with
with the Christians and I just give them
the ground I say okay you want to use
let's accept the argumentation which
doesn't even you don't have evidences
for it but let's accept it okay he is
eternal Eternal does not mean God
because you look at MC who was a
contemporary of Abraham was mentioned in
Hebrews I
believe uh who the Bible says has no
beginning no end no genealogy no
beginning of time no end of days you
know and he is eternal and it says in
the likeness of the Son of God so he's
not the Son of God he's not Jesus and he
was the time of Abraham before Jesus so
this person who's a priest the high
priest according to the biblical
commentators would say and they don't
know what his identity have no clue who
this is but he's Eternal so if someone
is eternal therefore they're God then
you have to accept MC as also God so
either way we say to them this verse
there does support you in any way shape
or form and I'm just being kind enough
to explain it to you and take your
incorrect positions and still tell you
why it does not work and yeah what else
let's go to the to the next clip but
that's the one separation I understand
and that's important and that's that's
something you really need to figure out
and think about because if he is the
only way to heaven no matter how good
you are no matter what how great the
country doesn't matter yeah so I guess
that's it that's um the conversation
takes another shift but really so he's
emphasizing emphatically that you really
need to consider Andrew he's letting him
know because he knows Andrew accepted
Islam he's Muslim and so he's letting
them know that okay you really kind of
got to reconsider this true yeah you
like all these things because Andrew
lists a bunch of things that he likes
and loves about Islam but at the end of
the day those things might be good but
here your salvation you're losing it you
know Subhan Allah we just we respond to
the verse of the Quran Allah says in the
Quran
they said person will not enter Jenna
Paradise except if he a Jew or a
Christian Allah responds by
saying
say produce your proof If you are indeed
truthful and welcoming this message to
anyone where is the proof that what you
believe is correct what you believe is
objectively true we're not asking for
personal experiences what you saw in
your dream you're about to have an
accident everyone has this person
experience you know I'll mention
something very briefly you know a
personal experience people don't say
okay this is like not but it's still a
personal experience and I had I had here
in the US just few days ago that doesn't
mean I say now Islam is the truth like
uh uh I when I usually travel I bring my
airport sometimes I work out I use them
for working out or in the plane or
whatever it is I forgot them because I
was in a bit in Rush when I was leaving
uh so I ended up not bringing them and
when I was at the hotel back in New
Jersey I thought okay let me uh order a
new one let me order a new headphones
right but I got so busy you know the
conferences first day second day third
day we give three we give like three
lectures Etc so I became busy busy busy
after one of the lectures someone came
and give me a
gift and you know usually when people
give gifts they just give you know
perfume a watch whatever it is I open
the box and I look and I find an Earp
pod it was a Earp pods huh earpods and I
was like for me this is a sign for me
it's not just a sign it's like this is I
was about to order this so instead of
ordering it on online it's been ordered
for me and I was going to buy like these
like normal ones cheap ones like they
give me these white ones that I believe
they're expensive right their apple ones
or whatever it is and Subhan Allah like
I didn't even say anything to anyone to
any human being and don't tell me this
is a common gift like to speakers to a
Muslim speaker given this not a common
gift Muslims usually look for
Mis prayer M you know you probably know
right these are the common gifts that
Muslims would give but specifically to
give airpods uh in a situation which I
was about to order one okay now someone
comes and say look therefore Islam is
true Allah has given me something that I
was about to get directly exactly was I
was given it I'll say no personal
experience is not a
proof uh for other people for you it can
be okay yeah that there's a sign that
maybe okay there's something happening
here but it's not an objective evidence
now we're asking those Christians not to
don't come and tell us I've seen Jesus
is my dream look we've heard the stories
many many many many times like you can
watch the videos like there endless
people with the same story what proof
objective can you present to show us as
as you said because I'm I'm I'm scared
aren't you scared that if you're upon
falsehood you're going to be in eternal
hell fire we
are we've studied Christianity we looked
at scriptures we looked at the evidences
we looked at the history we're giving
you explanations of what these verses
say we're telling you names of books in
which most Christians wouldn't do
because we are people who investigation
when we say we're scared we actually
acted upon it now the question is
returning back to him have you looked
into Islam m have you actually looked at
the evidences that Muslims present
because the same thing you said Allah he
said his wife sent him all the books and
he read all he read everything he he had
everything to do with Islam I highly
doubt that if he was not sure whether
Muslims believe Jesus came back or not
yeah I would highly believe that I would
highly uh doubt that because this is
like a basic thing if you just looking
into similarities or differences between
Islam and Christianity I had many people
who say I've studied Islam for 20 years
and I just as him basic questions that
there's nothing there so uh we would say
Allah says explicitly in the
Quran the only religion acceptable in
the sight of God is
Islam whoever seeks any other religion
other than Islam will not be accepted
from him as you said thei of the Prophet
sallu alh
wasallam no Jew or Christian will hear
about me and does not believe in me or
that which I was sent with depending on
the generation except that we will enter
the Hellfire Jesus the son of Mary peace
be upon Him Allah is mentioning him in
the Quran what he said to his
people oh my people worship Allah my
Lord and your lord go to the Bible
chapter 20 of John verse 17 Jesus says
I'm going back to my Lord and your lord
my father and your father same statement
worship God my Lord and your
lord and then he
says whoever Associates with
Allah Paradise is going to be prohibited
for him he's not going to enter Paradise
that's scary and that is scary and his
abod will be the
Hellfire and the wrongdoers will not
have any allies are you saying now
blatantly that if anyone worships Jesus
as a God or a son of God and dies on
that so Michael frine right now he can
just make the shift and say look I'm
going to worship the one Jesus worshiped
that's different but if he was
worshiping Jesus now and he dies on that
he's going to go to the Hellfire
absolutely why don't you follow what
Jesus told you Jesus taught you the
Heavenly Father prayer that you call it
which is our father and but who but who
are you to send people to hell this is a
great question I'll answer by responding
that I don't the one who does is the
Creator and that's why we're asking for
proof and evidences for what is from God
and what is from man what is from humans
who has been changed and manipulated and
we say Jesus himself whom you call your
God he's told you to worship the father
alone never told you to worship Him and
in Matthew 7: 211 he says in the in that
day the second coming what he will say
to the people they will come to him and
they will say Lord Lord we have done
many miracles in your name they will say
Lord they call him Lord like the
Christians of today do and they will say
with done many miracles in your name
cast out in your name and then what is
Jesus going to say go away from me I
never knew you this is in the Bible by
the way this I'm not reciting the Quran
or something saying the biblical
teachings and then he will say you
liness you don't do the will of the
father you don't do the work of the
father it's about the father it's about
doing the law it's about obeying the
father it's about doing these things and
not like what Paul told you or what
anyone else Told You So if you are
scared about being in the Hellfire if I
were you I would do my research if I
were you I look what is the objective
evidence that Christianity is true and
it cannot be The Unborn in a Christian
Society John 3:16 absolutely same thing
God so loved the world yes that he sent
yes yes he sent his only son yeah but
they say begotten and then they say that
begotten is fabrication what if you
translate like this if you say look uh
because a lot of things have been
mistranslated you know because you have
in Hebrew and Latin Greek and now you're
in English so for God so loved the world
I'll I'll I'll take that verse no
problem yeah yeah for God for God so
loved the world you can
put it in a in a way that we would agree
with yeah there's nothing wrong with it
for for God so love the world that we
have the problem with the sun thing yeah
but it says for whoever believes in him
do you believe in him I believe in him
she'll have eternal life she'll have
eternal life so we believe in J so if
you change if you say for who um for God
so loved the world that he sent his only
servant yes because in the language of
the Jew son meant servant someone who is
the man of God right so uh who believes
in his servant messenger Jesus like we
do have what eternal life so what's the
problem no problem we believe in that
that's it and even that word begotten
that was there in the scriptures been
removed out yeah check open yourself the
the King James and then open the other
ones NIV they will say to you that this
is doesn't exist in them we're it's not
Muslims the Christians are saying this
and so we don't have to deal with
begotten at all uh uh go ahead finish
what you saying yeah and I was I was
just going to say and this idea of son
as you said that son meaning he takes
care of you Etc or if you want to take
it it's not unique to Jesus like
whichever way you want to take it the
whole Bible says let's be the
peacemakers for they shall be called the
sons of God ephra is the firstborn David
is the begotten Son of God in this case
David yeah in Psalms 2:7 begotten is
called you are my son to they have
begotten you this is in in two Psalms
right Adam is the Son of God and in the
Bible all of these things so this son
cannot mean what Christians understand
it to mean and we would say if you're
saying whoever believes in Jesus if this
verse means whoever believes in Jesus
will have eternal life Muslims believe
in Jesus I and the father are one you
and the father are one we say okay again
I always ask this question right why
don't we look at the context right what
is the context what does the context say
and most of them don't know so Jesus was
walking in Solomon's Porsche the Jews
surrounded him they said who are you
tell us clearly uh he said are you the
Messiah tell us clearly he said I told
you but you don't believe then he talks
about his followers he says they are my
sheep no one can plug them out of my
hand no one can plug them out of my
father's hand so he's talking about
plugging the Believers out of his hand
then he says I am my father and one in
this that we no one can take the
Believers out of our hand but
now here is the interesting thing is
this is that the Jews misunderstand
Jesus exactly like the Pharisees that
they have a problem with because the
Pharisees picked up stones to Stone
Jesus misunderstanding this verse like
the Muslims telling them you're
misunderstanding this verse same exact
thing Subhan Allah and they try to Stone
him and then Jesus says why are you
stoning me for uh are you stoning what
of the which of the good works that I'm
doing the signs that I'm showing you
that I'm from God are you stoning me for
they say we Stone you not for the good
works but for blasphemy because you're a
man claiming to be God so far this is
the belief of who Christians Christians
believe Jesus using this verse the
statement he's claiming to be God now if
Jesus Is God they say yeah of course I'm
God what are you talking about what
blasphemy I can I don't blashe of God
perfect perfect opportunity absolutely
in fact he now corrects them and I
believe this verse there is a clear
refusal of him of the idea of him being
God Divine because if he was he will
accept it in fact this verse is one of
the strongest I believe strongest verses
because he's refused and rejecting the
claim that they're making about him that
he's blaspheming he said to them does it
not say in your scripture quoting Psalms
82:6 that you are gods and the sons of
the most you are Gods right doesn't it
say in your scripture that you are Gods
so he's saying to them the biblical
language you're not only called the sons
of God you called Gods yourself and that
does not make you the almighty one
because God called you in the Old
Testament the Psalms he called the
judges of the Jews Gods but that doesn't
mean people now started saying they're
blaspheming they were called God God by
God himself then he said I only said I'm
benon Son of God I didn't say I am God I
said I'm the Son of God so if he was
trying to claim Divinity and if it was
the Trinity was true this response would
make zero sense mhm that Jesus gave so I
would say okay we love this verse that
you brought because evidence against to
you this John 10 with the context 30 and
the context before and after till 34 35
is evidence against Christianity and Son
of God again stressing absolutely this
is not literal son absolutely absolutely
so this is where many Christians they
they see this in the Bible say son of
God Son of God but if you go deep into
the L the Jews didn't understand it like
that for me it's really funny because
like let's assume if I was like upon
like Christianity or something
uh and I'm trying to make sense of the
concept of God there's a trinity Jesus
Is God but he's the son of God so Jesus
is the son of himself and I'm just
trying to make sense of that how can you
be the son of yourself how can you be
given birth to your own self so that's
why when you meet Christians and ask
them what is Jesus many of them say the
Son of God they say is he God they say
no he's the son of God but do you
believe in Trinity yes and then you have
to explain to them if you believe in the
Trinity that means you believe Jesus is
divine because they themselves naturally
their F their inate disposition that is
given by God that every human being has
upon uh which is to believe in one God
it leads them to this that that Jesus is
not God and that's why when they did the
survey I believe in America see majority
overwhelming majority of Christians
don't believe Jesus Is God yeah yeah
yeah over around 50% yeah yeah yeah
because their innate disposition is that
they thinking Son of God is different
than God mhm and and they're thinking
more of a father son relationship and in
the mind of most Christians they're
separate so this idea of the trinity in
reality overwhelming majority of
Christians don't understand and don't
believe everyone believes whatever he
thinks uh the Trinity means so let's
close it up here we invite Michael
franzine to come on the program come sit
uh with us talk with us if you're
sincere if you really want to know about
Islam we're here to help and then make a
educated decision so how would you in a
nutshell before we conclude what is it
because people think okay Islam came
with Prophet Muhammad peace and blessing
be upon him it's a new religion Islam
came Christianity was there before how
would you go ahead and make sense of it
like starting from the first man Adam
Jesus practiced Islam he was a Muslim
people are like what are you talking
about you're lying how how would you how
would you connect this to see Islam is
the original natural way that started
with the first man
Adam Subhan Allah uh with first say what
is the definition of the word Islam very
briefly Islam is coming from the word
ASL in the Arabic language which means
to
submit Muslim if you translate it
literally means submitter Islam means
submission so if someone walks around
and says I'm I'm submitter I'm a
submitter that means he's saying I'm a
Muslim the same thing but we just
translating to you the word so you can
understand this meaning so submitting to
to what or submitting to who submitting
to the one true God the god of Abraham
Abraham did not believe in a trinity
Abraham did not preach a trinity Noah
did not preach a trinity they did not
believe in a trinity they did not talk
they spoke about one God Alone worthy of
worship without no partners that God
submission to that God that God of
Abraham is what it means to be a Muslim
which makes all of the prophets of God
Muslim based on that that they submitted
but they come with different Shar Shar
means a legislation for the people in
the dealings the beliefs are the same of
all of The Messengers there is one God
where you worship there Angels the
Hellfire all of these are the same with
all of the messengers so the theology if
you want to call it is the same but the
practicality of the things to do with
the society can change based on the
needs of the people and that is from the
wisdom of God and based on that we say
that they were Muslims but the Quran
says something uh important Chapter 3 of
the Quran if you want to go verse 6 63
64 Etc first he says say people of and
come to a common between us and you that
we worship none other than Allah alone
we don't associate with him
anyone so this is the message that we're
calling Christians to then in the next
vers is Allah
says that Abraham was not a Jew or a
Christian now the question is Allah is
asking a question in these
verses how can Abraham or how can you
say Abraham was a Jew or a Christian
when there was no t or inil except after
him there's no t or gospel or anything
to do with that except after Abraham so
Abraham could not have been Christian
Abraham could not have been a Jew so if
Abraham could not have been a Christian
or a Jew because a lot of people don't
know history Jew you want to say from
Jud Judaism Judah who was from uh Jacob
who was from Isaac who was from Abraham
so was way later if you want to take it
from Judah or you want to take Moses
who's also way later after Abraham
either way he could not have been a Jew
and he could not have been a Christian
for sure but he that even way later on
so Abraham here could not have been Jew
or Christian do you ask every person did
Abraham submit to God when God told him
take your son to uh Slaughter him did
did he submit to God could you submit to
God more than this your own son your
only son that you got on you very
old uh and God is saying to you uh
sacrifice him that time he only had is
he didn't have Isaac one son of an old
age God said sacrifice him this is the
ultimate Way of submission and that's
why we say Abraham was a Muslim Abraham
circumcision you find it from Abraham
how to pray these things that we're
doing as Muslims because a lot of people
say this is Judaism no it's not it's
teachings of Abraham and Abraham was not
a Jew so Allah he
says Abraham was not a Jew or Christian
but he was a true monotheist and he was
from the Muslims he was from those who
submitted their will to Allah now we're
asking for evidence bring us evidence
could Jesus have ever been Christian
impossible could Jesus have ever been a
Jew impossible could he have been a
muslim with the definition that Muslims
have yes did he do the things that
Muslims do he did and based on that we
say this is the teachings of Islam be
upon the same way for Abraham because we
all agree we all us and the Christians
and the Jews agree on Abraham and we say
we believe in him this is our
invitations to the Christians and the
Jews to be upon the same millah the same
belief that Abraham was upon and I mean
this is just another interesting thing
that when you read the Bible and you see
him on the um sermon of the mount and
he's wearing the white th almost like
what you're wearing you would resemble
Jesus more than they have resemblance of
people in the churches true because I'm
from the Middle East isn't it and I
always mentioned this this example to
the people is like imagine seeing a man
with a beard uh from The Middle East
falling on his face like Matthew 26:39
says and saying Allah because Jesus
spoke aramia so he said Allah and his
mother is covered and he says to you I
fast and he says to you I'm circumcised
what religion would you say he is a lot
of people say Jewish no it's not Jewish
because Jews don't not uh have the same
covering all the time some of them have
some positions one some cover some weere
uh what you call it the hair the
extensions and these type of things say
we covering the head with anything and
then you have saying Allah don't have
the Jews saying Allah and that's how he
called God Allah Jesus yes this is what
Jesus said I'm prostrating on the floor
when you pray the way we do yes it's not
something the Jewish people do so don't
tell me this is Judaism so if you see
someone doing that you will say it's a
Muslim but this is literally what Jesus
did from the Christian scripture well
not as I give you references it's not
from the Muslim scripture it's from the
Christian script go to any church Mary
is covered Jesus is a picture with a
beard you see Jesus Falling and
prostrating praying as it is in Matthew
26 39 uh all of these things uh
circumcision all of these things you see
that the Bible is showing that this was
the identity of Jesus and my question is
is this the identity of you the
Christian today is this how you uh
behave is this how you pray is this how
you dress on your women dresses so if
you want to say oh oh yeah okay we'll
follow Jesus where is your following of
Jesus is it the Muslims that are
following Jesus or is it the Christians
that are following him this is the
question that we put forward last thing
um usually you start bringing these
truths and it connects with like you
were saying the F theate disposition it
makes sense worship one and only one God
absolute pure monotheism being morally
upright but then you get a machine gun
of uh attacks Islam is about terrorism
and Islam oppresses women and the list
goes on of all of these you know Silly
ARG misconceptions and uh in in a
nutshell you know what would you say to
uh Michael the former mafia boss and
who's probably he don't know anything
about Islam but been programmed to look
at it negatively because of all the
misconceptions that have been pushed out
by the hate industry absolutely we will
say that two simple things first is in
order for you to be sincere you need to
investigate claims made about any
position right because the default
position is your enemies you'll
mischaracterize them you'll misrepresent
them if you a mafia probably know how
you deal with other enemies right so you
probably he'll probably have a a law of
experience when it comes to that right
so you will say is you misrepresent your
enemies so in order for you to know the
truthfulness of someone is that you need
to to do some investigation and you're
welcome to watch brother Edd's videos
the videos that we do the videos that
Brothers do clarifying any of these
things multiple videos on women multiple
videos on teror all of these things
multiple podcasts have been done on
these issues you're welcome to
investigate and look that uh this is not
accurate in any way shape or form uh and
this is the message that we give do an
in some investigation look actually
through this and sit down and talk with
a Muslim like as you did we we extend an
open invitation
to anyone to come sit down investigate
listen and I'll make a challenge now is
whatever you're going to bring and say
is a criticism of Islam I'll find you
more severe in
Christianity here M we're putting this
as a statement to to these people if you
want to come and sit down and bring me
you want to talk about women I would
recommend you read first Timothy what
Paul says about about women where he
says the woman should be silent it
should not speak because the man came
first and the woman came l the woman the
woman came later and that the pain of
pregnancy is because of Eve dead and the
woman if she doesn't cover her head in 1
Corinthians chapter 11 ver 7 should be
shaved 6 and 7even and I'm going to give
you these things and the woman cannot
get divorced in Islam the woman can be
divorced if you don't talk about women
we can talk about women if you want to
talk about violence and this and that we
can talk about verses you go to 1 Samuel
15:3 and how infants are slaughtered uh
By God's command not just people's
command God's command in which you will
not find who's supposed to be Jesus yes
in this case the Trinity including Jesus
right because a lot of people want to
throw the Old Testament under the bus
but you can't because it's still the
same God and you say we're not you're
not going to find anything similar in
Islam that's why I say whatever
criticism you try to use on twist we can
find it to you in uh previous but that's
not our job we're not trying to do that
because we as you saw in our discussion
we're not trying to do this we are
trying to clarify the truth to the
people uh and bring them closer to that
which God wants from you because in the
end Jesus is our prophet and messenger
most Moses is our prophet and messenger
we believe in all of the prophets and
messengers of God if we don't we cannot
be Muslims if I don't believe in Jesus
I'm not a Muslim it's an article of
faith if I don't believe in Moses I'm
not Muslim so we're not trying here to
make a competition in fact the prophet
Alam explicitly forbade us from making
the comparison in a belittling way
between the prophets and The Messengers
yeah so we welcome everyone inshallah
into the fold of Islam just don't uh
throw stones from a glass house
absolutely absolutely respectful be
sincere let's sit and have a dialogue
let's talk Michael come come let's uh
meet up and uh this is uh Muhammad Ali
from the Muslim
Lantern my pleasure pleasure being here
may Allah bless you all you too my
brother thank you for being with us and
thank you guys for tuning in and if you
want to go ahead and see for yourself
you want to read the book that makes
these claims that talks about Jesus his
Blessed Mother Mary and many of the
things that we're talking about Paradise
the Hellfire explicit descriptions of
the Hellfire and the Glad Tidings of
paradise for those who worship God
Almighty alone the Creator Allah who do
good deeds who are upon righteousness
the Forgiveness of God the mercy of God
all of these things are laid out the
proofs and evidences the signs in the
Quran go to the Deen show.com we'll get
you the Quran for free and we'll see you
next time until then peace be with you
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