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for our brothers in humanity some people
are confused and we want to clear the
confusion and now Dr Brown who was an
atheist you can go to theen show.com he
has his own private section there to
hear his story he was an atheist he was
trying very hard to be a Christian the
whole doctrine of the Trinity and many
of the other tenants of Christianity
didn't make sense and he ended up coming
to Islam Islam the same way of life of
Jesus Moses Abraham Noah that complete
and total adherence to God's laws that
complete submission and surrender to the
one God alone and not his creation so
when we come back we're going to be
clearing up the confusion about the
Trinity the Trinity he's going to be
giving us the top 10 reasons why the
Trinity is not valid and we come back
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youum how are you how are you Dr Brown
yeah
alhamdulillah all praise be to Allah
it's it's a pleasure to have you back
with us here at the dean show and I got
to just describe a little bit uh about
our our past we have your conversion
story we've done some shows with you in
the past and you have at theen show.com
your own private section so people can
read a little bit more about you get to
know who you are watch some of your
other videos but in this week's show
we're going to be talking about the
Trinity you have a DD doct in Divinity
PhD in religious studies and you're very
well versed someone consider you a
Christian scholar so we want to talk to
The Experts and there's some a lot of
confusion about this Trinity so we know
that the Quran says that this is
something that Jesus or none of the
messengers never taught the consist the
message that God has has always declared
throughout time that he is only one
undividable not three and one one and
three just one and we believe Jesus
taught the same teaching but there's
some confusion about the Trinity so
you're going to be giving us today the
top 10 reasons why the Trinity is not
valid I don't want to waste their time
your time let's just get right to it the
top 10 please begin okay uh number 10
because the word Trinity is nowhere to
be found in the
Bible now the word Trinity is not as
important as finding the actual Doctrine
so number nine so you just jump you just
that's done 10 is done we're not wasting
no time 10 is done all right let's take
it to let's take it to number nine 10 is
done you don't find the word Trinity
anywhere in the Bible fin that was
simple that was easy okay okay but as I
said the word is not as important as the
doctrine so the question is do we find
the doctrine in the Bible we go on to
nine then number nine Harper Collins
Encyclopedia of the Bible States quote
the doctrine of the Trinity as such is
not revealed in either the Old Testament
or the New Testament Harper Collins
Encyclopedia of the Bible telling us
what telling us I'll say it again quote
the doctrine of the Trinity as such is
not revealed in either the Old Testament
or the New
Testament you know we almost don't need
to do the rest of this program because
that pretty much says it right there but
let's continue so we we moving on to
eight now we're going to move quickly
this is eight we're we get a Duff r or
the drum home yeah the dove let's go
number eight we we'll we'll just keep
moving through these the the point then
is well if the doctrine is not revealed
in the Bible where did it come from uh
the doctrine of the Trinity started with
tertullian in 220 CE what does that tell
us that tells us that the the doctrine
of the Trinity was dreamed up by
tertullian who is tertullian he was a
lawyer in Carthage around 200 years
years after the mission of Jesus Christ
so this was not a doctrine that was
written into the Bible this was a
doctrine that was derived by a lawyer
and we all know how much we trust
lawyers sorry but I I got to throw that
one in because I'd love to see what was
in his fine print but the bottom line is
200 years after the mission of Jesus
Christ that is when tulian came up with
the concept of the
Trinity take it step number seven so we
already went from 10
9 7 take it away Dr Lawrence
seven where did it go from there
tertullian came up with the concept in
the year 220 CE where did it go from
there talk to Christian Scholars they
will tell you the Trinity is an evolved
Doctrine meaning that it was not a
revealed Doctrine it was a doctrine that
evolved in the minds of the theologians
who developed it Council of NAA in 325
developed it further Council of
Constantinople in 381 ratified it and it
became authoritative at the Council of
Chalan in
4551 so what are we saying we're saying
over 400 years after the time of Jesus
Christ was how many years over 400 400
years Council of Chelan was in 451 so
what are we saying we're saying that
over 400 years after the time of Jesus
Christ this is when the the doctrine of
the Trinity became authoritative at the
Council of Chon that leads us to number
six so you're talking about now we went
from 10 we're moving on to six and all
these things this is not something that
came with the first man Adam or the
prophet Moses and Noah this is evolving
you're taking about 400 years after
Jesus left the scene this didn't come
with any of the prophets this came from
the mind of a lawyer over 200 years
after the mission of Jesus Christ it
evolved over another 200 years after
that
it was ratified into the Christian
cannon at the Council of Chelson in
451 or excuse me actually ratified at
the Council of Constantinople in 381 and
then became authoritative at the Council
of Chelsea all right so we're moving on
to to number what now this is number
number six number
six number six take it away please
everybody knows Hans Kung the leading uh
Theologian of the Roman Catholic church
and and uh he in commenting talking
about throughout the New
Testament there is no doctrine of one
God in three
persons modes of being no doctrine of a
Triune God a trinity these are the words
of Hans Kung okay if we don't trust him
with regard to Catholic or Christian
doctrine I don't know who we can trust
because he is one of the most
authoritative voices on on Catholic and
and Christian doine you want to hear it
again goes like this there is no
doctrine of one God in three persons
modes of being no doctrine of a Triune
God a trinity and he's talking about
inside the New Testament
mine I mean it's mindboggling the
Trinity but this is mindblowing that
you're making it so easy to understand
and all we ask is that the people out
there they have an open heart and open
mind and this you know the truth shall
set you free can we move on to number
five number five take it away Harper's
Bible dictionary Harper's Bible
dictionary says quote the formal
doctrine of the Trinity the formal
doctrine of the Trinity as it was
defined by the great Church councils of
the fourth and fifth centuries is not to
be found in the New Testament not to be
found not to be found the formal
doctrine of the Trinity as it was
defined by the great Church councils of
the fourth and fifth centuries is not to
be found in the New Testament and that's
number five that's Harper's Bible
dictionary wasn't with the first man
Adam with none of the prophets and after
the Jesus left the scene 400 years later
you mentioned some attorney now we know
how attorneys work tulan yeah we're
we're going to take a break and we're
going to come back for number four of
the top 10 reasons why the Trinity was
never the teachings of any of the
prophets and it's not valid we'll be
right back I don't say to people I used
to be a Christian I still carry the
values and principles of loving Jesus
Christ and perhaps maybe more than the
people who call themselves Christians so
I think I got the best out of
Christianity by becoming
Muslim so many other things that you can
enjoy without drinking a sip of alcohol
death is the same thing it's not an
obstacle it's not something to cause
people to get completely desperate and
start stopping living their lives No it
should be a motivation it's only one
life that you're going to be living so
you better do it for Allah subhah wa
taala I am not afraid to stand
alone I am not afraid to stand alone for
Lies by I am not afraid to stand
alone I am not afraid to stand alone if
Li by I am not afraid to stand
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to waste your time we don't want waste
nobody's time we're giving the facts not
the fiction and let's continue on with
number four of the top 10 reasons why
Jesus peace be upon never taught the
Trinity and this Trinity is not valid
talk to
us okay we just talked from Harper's
Bible dictionary let's go to number four
and even more authoritative Source the
new Catholic
encyclopedia quote the formula itself
does not reflect the immediate
consciousness of the period of
Origins what does that mean we're
talking about the periods of period of
origins in other words during the time
of the mission of Jesus Christ and the
recording of the manuscripts that that
formed the foundation of the Bible and
the new Catholic encyclopedia says quote
the formula itself referring to the
Trinity does not reflect does not
reflect the immediate consciousness of
the period of Origins now
you can you can even read further
elsewhere in the new Catholic
encyclopedia it states quote among the
apostolic fathers there had been nothing
even remotely approaching such a
mentality or
perspective nothing that's a very strong
statement for a Catholic reference work
to to make that among the apostolic
fathers okay the ones from which the the
religion you know was passed on to to
Future Generations among the apostolic
fathers there had been nothing even
remotely approaching such a mentality or
perspective that's number four the new
Catholic encyclopedia refuting the
Christian doctrine the Catholic doctrine
of the Trinity we're moving on to number
three I'm going to dig into you and I'm
going to ask you some very serious
questions but I want to get through
these so we don't waste no more time
let's go into to number three number
three the first commandment first
commandment not to place any Partners
beside God that God is one God and that
jumps to number two you want to go
quickly we just went from three we're
going to number two wasting no time with
Dr Lawrence Brown let's go to number
two why does it jump to number two
because number two is the words of Jesus
Christ three places in the Bible Jesus
Christ is quoted as having said here o
Israel the Lord Our God the Lord is one
he doesn't he doesn't add any
modification he doesn't add any
explanation if ever there were a place
to explain the Trinity that would have
been it if you ask any Christian to
explain the essence of God they'll say
well God is one but he's three he's
three and one and da da da and they will
try to explain if they explain it that
way why didn't Jesus Christ why did
Jesus Christ say here o Israel the Lord
Our God the Lord is one period full stop
nothing more because there is nothing
more nothing more if if he had if he had
wanted to explain that would have been
the perfect spot he didn't say it once
he said it three times or at least it's
recorded three times Mark 1229 Matthew
2237 and Luke
1027 look them up you'll find that he's
not only saying this but he's saying
that is the greatest commandment so
that's number two now before we go to
number one people just going to have to
wait I want to ask you now you went from
being an atheist you didn't that means
you didn't believe in God right and you
said you were trying very very hard to
be a Christian now is it because of this
and these things this confusion here
that you weren't able to truly be a
Christian yeah and you know I think I
think a lot of people out there
understand because a lot of people they
want to believe they believe they have a
core belief they believe in God they
believe in the chain of prophit hood
they believed that there were books of
Revelation but they identify and they
identify the same thing that we are
talking about here they identify
inconsistencies they identify
contradictions they identify division
between what the scripture says and what
the church says about the scripture they
recognize inconsistency between what
Jesus Christ said about himself and what
other people say about Jesus Christ they
they recognize
that we are you know we are defining in
Islam we we are are defining the
problems in the Christian Canon where
that contradicts the Christian scripture
just hold up we're going to get to
number one just just hold on one second
but if someone says look he didn't have
the Holy Ghost in them he wasn't full of
the spirit is that what who you me like
me you're saying you're saying okay I
can't understand because I don't have
the holy spirit inside me what do you
got to say about this you know I mean
how how can you fight an argument like
that I I mean it to to me it is such a
nonsensical argument why is it
nonsensical because you have all of
these people walking around claiming to
have the holy spirit inside them who
told them that they have the holy spirit
inside them a
man somebody in their congregation a
priest a pastor a minister or whatever
has told them you have the holy spirit
inside you okay but why do you trust
this man for telling you that
you know is he a prophet is is he does
he have some special connection to God
that allows him to tell people that they
have the holy spirit inside
them you know take the evidence I
present and you weigh it for yourself
it's not going to you know it it's not
for me that anybody is going to come to
the religion of truth it's for you okay
I'm not asking for your money like a t
evangelist I'm not saying you know send
send your bucks to the Deans show.com
you know I'm I'm not I'm not asking for
your money I'm not asking for your
prayers I'm not asking what am I asking
for all right you weigh the evidence you
decide for yourself this is about this
is about your life your righteousness
you're Hereafter and that's all that's
all it comes down to you ready for
number one I'm ready for number one can
we get a Duff
roll go ahead number
one the reason reason why we should not
believe in the Trinity is
because when we completely analyze the
Bible there is no evidence to support
the trinity in the first place none
whatsoever no evidence whatsoever now
that's a strong statement let me give
you some examples if you go to a
Christian and you ask them what's your
primary evidence for the existence of
the Trinity the first thing that they're
going to trot out is they're going to
say the first Epistle of John 5: 7-8
where it is said for there are three who
bear witness in heaven the Father the
word and the Holy Spirit and these three
are one and these three are one okay and
they will even say it to you that way
Eddie these three are one that's how
they're going to say it well that's how
they say it how do the scholars say it
the fact of the matter is that the
scholars recognize that the first
Epistle of
John 5:
7-8 is an insertion
it does not exist in any of the ancient
manuscripts it was written into the
margin by a scribe who in the process of
copying the manuscripts wrote it in as a
personal
insertion somebody liked it they took it
from the margin they transported it into
the text you can't do that if that's the
word of God you can't play with the word
of God then it's not the word of God
well you can play with the word of God
but it's not going to take you in the
Direction I'm just saying this is what
happened yeah okay we all know people
have played with the word of God they've
taken out things that they didn't like
they've put in things that they did like
they have manipulated it fashioned it
molded it to be what they want it to be
everybody out there knows that there are
unrighteous people who have grabbed a
hold of religion to to take them closer
to their worldly desires okay and this
is one primary example of that the the
the number one evidence that people hold
up as an Evidence for the Trinity is 1
John first Epistle of John 5 7-8 okay
and Scholars now recognize that that is
an insertion that was added in that was
added in that's a very bold statement
now can you back up what you're saying
you said chrisan Scholars have also
attested to what you're saying can you
back this up sure and I mean let me just
ask the people out there you know who
who is not sick of hearing people say
things about religion and they cannot
support the their assertions we're all
sick of that so here it comes the
interpreter's Bible look up the look up
the first Epistle of John 5 7-8 they say
these verses are to be rejected Dr
scoffield along with eight doctors of
divinity in his reference Bible states
that this verse has no manuscript
Authority and it was inserted Professor
Brook meter states with regard to this
passage that the words are spous and do
not belong in the New Testament curtain
Barbara Barbara uh alland um Barty IR
many others have recognized that what is
called the johannine comma which means
these verses are illegitimate now is it
just individuals who recognize it no it
is eum ecumenical groups of Scholars who
have who have recognized it as well how
do we know that because read the new uh
revised Standard Version of the Bible
read the revised Standard Version of the
Bible the NIV the good news the new
English the Jerusalem Darby's New
American Standard Bible all of these
Bibles have removed or modified the
passage so it no longer reads these
three are one go to the most
authoritative Bibles of our time the new
revised Standard Version and The New
International Version and you will find
that the first Epistle of John
57-8 allegedly supporting the proposed
Trinity has been modified or removed
Let's uh hold it right there and we're
going to wrap it up when we come back
here on
the I would go to my room lock the door
prostrate and cry saying God you know me
better than myself show me the right way
and I will not look back I will leave
everything
behind Allah is our creator and he
creates everything and he gives
intelligence to
people as Muhammad be upon Muhammad is
one of the last Messengers sent from
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Lawrence Brown we're giving you facts
not fiction backed up with evidence
after evidence we're given the top 10
reasons why Jesus peace be upon him he
didn't teach the Trinity nor did any of
the prophets and this is not valid so we
shouldn't believe in it we shouldn't
practice it and we're going to go on and
continue on you're finishing up wrapping
up number one please go ahead okay
number one what we are talking about is
the fact that there is no evidence in
the Bible to support the doctrine of the
Trinity uh we've just refuted 1 John
57-8 the next evidence if there's any
other evidence that anybody holds up
it's Matthew
28:19 28:19 is the verse in which the
disciples are commanded to go out and
baptized in the name of the Father the
Son and the Holy Spirit what is the
problem with this ver verse the problem
with this verse is Mark 16:15 describes
the exact same circumstance but it bids
the disciples to go out and baptize in
the name of Jesus Christ so which one of
these verses are we going to take do we
recognize that there's a contradiction
between the two most certainly how do we
resolve that we look at the example of
what the disciples actually did which
was that they went out and they baptized
in the name of Jesus so we have to
either you know we have to assume that
either they didn't do as they were told
which doesn't make sense or if they were
doing as they were told the formula to
baptize in the name of the Father the
Son and the Holy Spirit was uh was not
valid in any case even if those words
were true including those three three
entities in in one in one line does not
make them co-equal co-eternal
consubstantial um moving on John
149 um Jesus Christ is quoted as having
said he who has seen me has seen the
father a lot of people say oh that's it
he who has seen me has seen the father
saw Jesus Christ you've seen the father
what's the problem with that problem
with that is John
537 because on John 537 Jesus says you
have neither heard his voice at any time
or seen his form Jesus Christ is
standing in front of their faces and
telling them with his own words you have
neither heard his voice and they are
hearing his voice and he's saying you've
nether neither heard his voice voice nor
seen his form and they're looking
directly at him okay what does that tell
you if he's saying you're hearing my
voice you're seeing my form but I'm
telling you who haven't seen God's uh
form and you haven't heard his voice
it's clear that we're not talking about
the same entity some people jump in and
they say John 10:30 John 10:30 I and the
father are
one okay what happens after John 30
after John 30 the Jews accuse Jesus
Christ of making himself a God and they
prepare to Stone him does Jesus Christ
stand up with the omnipotence of divine
Authority and say you heard me right I
said it once and I said it I'll say it
again no he goes on to explain to him to
the to the Jews that they heard him
wrong and he cites Psalm
826 and we also know from Psalm 821 that
we find in these Psalms that it says
that those to whom the scripture has
come the Revelation has come
um Shall be Called sons of God and uh in
821 that the judges are actually called
Gods Not sons of God but actually called
gods and he points out what we have
pointed out before that this is
metaphorical language and if that
doesn't convince you the last point I
and the father are one John 10:30 I and
the father and one so what so what is
John
1711 and John
17:21 where Jesus Christ talks about how
all of the disciples are one and how
they are all one in Jesus and God okay
so it's no longer a trinity it's Jesus
Christ the Holy Spirit uh God all of the
disciples all of the Believers all in
one so you can't you can't have it both
ways you can't accept this metaphorical
language as literal in one passage and
then not as literal in another far far
more credible to recognize that you
cannot accept these passages as literal
that was a lot of information I'm sure
you could have Exposed on this for hours
and hours if you condensed it you made
it simple it's easy to understand I feel
that if someone's sincere they
openhearted you know open-minded that
you know this is going to continue to
make sense and they're going to continue
their Quest and hopefully they're going
to come to the same realization that you
came to and many others 1.5 billion that
you know Jesus indeed was a mighty
messenger of God and he called people to
the Oneness of God the same way all the
other Messengers did including the last
and F M Prophet muham peace be upon him
but if those people who are out there
who who want to get more into this topic
with you and they want to question some
of the things that you have gone over
with us today how can they get a hold of
you and also maybe to read some of your
books all of my books are available uh
uh through
Amazon.com but the first place to start
would be my websites level truth.com and
eth scroll.com.tr
level truth.com no space in between no
underscore anything like that eth scroll
also two words just eth and
scroll.com.tr
of any of the messengers of God this is
a very important topic because we're all
going to die and we're going to have to
be and we're going to be accountable in
front of the one God and he has never
ever never sanctioned legislated any of
his Messengers to teach preach anything
but pure monotheism and this is what
we're calling you to this is what Islam
calls you to surrender and to submit to
the one God purely worshiping him alone
and not what he created and it's
interesting to not before we leave that
this word Trinity is not in the Bible
but it's in the Quran the verbatim word
of God and it says don't s say trinity
it'll be better for you your God is one
God worship him alone and not his
creation if you like what we had to say
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