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hi how you doing my name is Jorge Garcia
I will be telling you my story of how I
embrace Islam at the dean show so please
don't go nowhere we right there with
you
alhamdulillah peace be unto you welcome
to the dean show which is a way of life
we try to put out there for everyone to
see helping you understand Islam and
Muslims and we got a really great show
for you today we are bringing on a
brother a gentleman who has accepted
Islam years back and he's on the dean
show today to tell you his story on why
he chose this beautiful way of life so
all of you can benefit I'm going to take
a break and then we're going to bring
him back on so stay tuned for the dean
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show Alum peace be unto you my brother
how are you alhamdulillah I'm doing good
how you doing all right all right
alhamdulillah I'd like to thank you
first of all for coming out to the dean
show well thank you for having me on the
show and I'm sure everybody's excited to
hear your story so we're going to let
the viewers benefit we're going to ask
you a few questions everybody's eager to
knowa ears are glued to the screen okay
so tell us first a little bit about
yourself and what you do I uh work for a
Japanese company I am the warehouse
manager there I uh in charge of the
international and Export and import of
the company's uh products okay so tell
us what were you before you were Muslim
I was a Christian what kind of Christian
actually I was raised uh in two
different uh Christianity belief the
Catholic and then uh
Presbyterian okay now tell us how long
ago did you accept Islam uh four years
ago let's go back
now tell us a little about were you a
practicing Christian and give us some
highlights of your life back then and
how you stumbled across Islam well I'm
going to make it sure because it's
pretty long so uh how I came to Islam it
started when uh I started practicing
Christianity in an early age trying to
find out the truth uh being my father
Catholic and my mother Presbyterian I
had to taste of both uh beliefs so uh as
I was growing up I went through
different branches of Christianity to
find out how come I was feeling this
emptiness all the time in me and asking
questions about certain uh topics and
Christianity which I brought to my
parents and asking these questions I I
wanted to do some more research and so I
started looking at other branches of
Christianity which I I join together
with them uh for instance the Seven Day
Adventist um the cast Catholics um
Pentecostals uh you name it I went
through them just to find out where I my
belief was at and what was the
difference between all of them so you
joined all of these yeah as I was
growing up I I I became uh interested in
this group of Christianity and then the
next group of Christianity but as I was
growing up I was looking for more
answers than what I was getting so what
was the main difference now between some
of the seven-day Adventist the the
Presbyterians and the Catholics what was
the the difference between them that you
had to keep going from one to the next
to the next well the difference is that
the Catholics believe that Jesus is God
mhm and so and then when I was in my
mother's branch of Christianity which is
the Presbyterian was that he is the Son
of God and then I had the group of the
Seven Day Adventist they believe he's
the son of God but also they have their
own profit which kind of kind of struck
me uh out of U uh an irregular I have to
find out what this Prophet came from
which is a female Prophet so I have to
find out female Prophet it's a female
Prophet yes so and it's never been in in
history that we know of even through in
the Bible that there is one female
Prophet no actually this is what that's
very odd so when I asked the questions
about the certain things about what this
female Prophet is mentioned in the Bible
I never got an answer and you're talking
about the Seven Day Adventist the Seven
Day Adventist okay so that didn't make
sense and you went on from there and I
went on to the next step and then I went
and also uh find out about the Jehovah
Witnesses and then in the same the
Jehovah Witnesses was that they believe
that Jesus is a prophet but they have
their own Prophet also they don't
believe he's God no they don't believe
he's God but he's the son of God that he
is a Son of God but they have a prophet
of their own also just the SE the Seven
Day Adventist M so this also struck me
odd so I wanted to ask questions about
this but I never got the right answer to
it what were some of the questions that
you were asking um the same questions I
asked the Seventh Day Adventist how come
you have this Prophet when the Seventh
Day Adventist have another Prophet how
come this is not mentioned that this
your Prophet is not mentioned here by
name or that he is going to be the
prophet after the Jesus Alam may peace
be upon Him things like that okay but
what was the core belief that unites
kind of them all or is it when you go
for one branch to the next it's I know
there's some details but I know all of
them believe in the crucifixion is that
right yes they all believe in the
crucifixion and they also believe uh in
the unity of the Trinity the Father the
Son and the Holy Spirit now the Jehovah
don't believe in the Trinity no they
don't believe in the Trinity but they
believe that he's the son of God and
like I mentioned that he's a prophet so
this they are more closer to in our
understanding of Islam but also they
still uh don't accept certain things in
uh uh that the other Christians have in
common but they are very different in in
believing than that he's the son of God
they believe he's the prophet so you
really had a strong attachment to Jesus
I had a really really strong attachment
to Jesus for 44 years I had a strong
attachment and I still do and you still
do is there something now that is
brought you away from Jesus or you do
you feel closer to Jesus Christ now or
then I feel closer closer to him now
actually this might be odd for for some
people who say okay hold on you're not a
Christian anymore you're Muslim and
Muslim is just one who surrenders and
submits to almighty God who does Islam
Islam means surrender and submission to
one God so now that you're doing you're
submitting to God Alone on his terms
right associating no partners with him
as a Muslim right now someone might say
hold on hold on how is your
connection tighter with Jesus now than
for explain that well my connection to
him is uh more tighter with him from how
you look at the the text and how you are
being taught in the translations in the
scriptures uh you are to believe in one
certain part of how he he how he came to
the world for your sins where in Islam
it tells you how he really is this is
the difference and where he was really
saying in the Bible so this in in
connection to him makes me closer to him
because I know him more personally what
he really was and who he really was and
how was the message brought to from him
to to the the time of his generation of
the time of uh of the of the time he was
alive so let me let me make this clear
like for instance uh uh the message that
he brings is the same message that the
rest of the prophets brings there is
only one God they might argue with this
uh they might say no this is not it you
know but this is how it is if you look
at the scriptures you know this is what
I'm talking about especially when you're
looking at Islam Islam is showing me
especially in the Surah of Miriam Surah
chapter Miriam yeah chapter mam there's
a there's a chapter named after Jesus's
mother right and so and this Surah if
you read it I mean chapter and you can
read it you can see the story and the
story how it's told in the Bible it's
almost uh comparative you know but
there's some differences but I I tend to
look at the more open view of it and so
I feel more closer to him uh in the
truth that what Islam has brought me so
is it safe to say that you greet like
Jesus greeted because he greeted with
peace he would say shalam peace be unto
you wouldn't PE you yes that's in the
Bible that's in the Bible what other
things can you tell us that he did that
you do now um how to pray how he did his
prayers uh the prayers that he did is
mentioned in the in the in Matthew and
in the first gospels uh he uh submitted
by prostrating meaning to the ground
face and hands on the ground knees on
the ground and your forehead on the
ground with your nose and face touching
the ground yeah this is one of the
reasons that I also uh makes more sense
to me than how he they pray now you know
not to insult anybody but this is how I
look at these things you know yeah this
is to build understanding now okay to
see that we're not ones who have no
connection with Jesus we like to say
that we're very Christlike because
Christ actually means the what the
anointed one The Chosen One by God the
Messiah the Messiah and we as as Muslims
we believe that he was the Messiah right
he was the Messiah yes was chosen by God
well yeah he was chosen by God as an
anointed person as a it's a sign to uh
to show the people that his miracles are
made through only through God and when
when we say Christlike meaning that
Christ he worshiped God Alone he didn't
set up partners with him he didn't call
on any Saints or anybody else other than
God God he said name us some some verses
from the Bible where he explicitly now
calls upon God and he calls people to
worship one God uh you can look at the
in The Book of Mark chap 12: 29 when he
says oh Israel uh the first commandment
is to uh uh worship your your lord it's
only your lord your God is only one Lord
so there he's saying your God is my God
is only one Lord there's only one God
one like I want one verse I like also
from the Bible is I believe it's John
2017 do you know that when he says I
Ascend unto my father and your father my
God and your God right is that the right
verse well you know the uh you know the
verse I'm talking about right yeah so
this is a this is a good statment to him
so these are the statements that before
I would I would not read like truly you
know like I would not understand what
the meaning was until I saw it clearly
that the message he was saying that is
he's only bringing the message try to uh
uh fulfill the prophecy of of of Moses
you know to finish the the Torah you
know completing that but he didn't
complain it because someone has to come
to it someone has to come right and
what's that verse that talks about
another the prophet coming uh this would
be uh John uh
767 it says nevertheless I tell you the
truth that if I not go away the Comfort
will not come to you but if I go away I
will send them to you and he will
reprove the world of sin so that someone
has to come to finish his job but some
people say that's the Holy Ghost well uh
well it's not true what is the Holy
Ghost I will explain what is the holy
who is the Holy Ghost and I ask many
Christians nowadays I ask who's the Holy
Ghost and I get different answers from
them tell us talk tell us share share
this with us uh some of them will say
that he is a being they don't know what
kind of being he is some of them say
he's another person and some of them say
that he's
Jesus MH and I say well how can it be
Jesus if Jesus is in the Trinity the
Father the Son and the Holy Ghost so if
the son is the son who's the Holy Ghost
but if you look at Matthew and uh and
Luke it will tell you who is Holy Holy
Ghost is in actual uh in reality it'll
explain to you who he is who is he Angel
Gabriel Angel G gel right the angel that
was assigned by God to deliver the
Revelation to the prophets right all
right okay so we're going to take a
break and we're going to be back with
our guest here Jorge to finish telling
us how he came to submission
surrender obedience sincerity and in
peace directly to one God one Creator
and we'll be right back on the dean
show Muhammad teaches us us to worship
one God to speak
truth to love our neighbors as
ourselves to give charity even a smile
can be
charity to protect women from
misuse to shelter
orphans and to turn away from gods of
wood and
stone God has spoken to us before
through Abraham Noah Moses and through
Jesus Christ
why should we be so surprised that God
speaks to us now through Muhammad who
tortured those names they are named in
the
Quran I knew Muhammad when he was an
orphan minding sheep and we knew Christ
as a
carpenter what Christ says and what your
Muhammad says is like two rays from the
same lamp they are lying to you they
deny Christ you worship three gods they
say father son and Holy Ghost they
say what do you say of Christ they say
God cannot have a son Christ is not the
Son of God speak to me of
Christ we say of Christ what our Prophet
has taught us that God cast his holy
spirit into the womb of a virgin named
Mary and that she conceived Christ the
Apostle of God the Apostle he says not
the son not the son what does your
Miracle your Quan say of the birth of
our dear Lord Jesus
Christ may I relate the
words come closer to
me in the name of God most gracious most
merciful relate in the book The Story of
Mary how she withdrew from her family to
a place in the
East how we sent to her our Angel
Gabriel who
said I am a messenger from your God to
announce the birth of a holy son to
you she said how shall I Mary have a son
when no man has touched
me and Gabriel
replied for your Lord says it will
happen we appoint him as a sign unto man
and a mercy from
us it is a
thing
ordained the difference between
us and
you there no Thicker Than This Life
not for a mountain of gold will I give
them up to you all right back on the
dean show the all new show on Islam and
Muslims and we left off we're hearing in
the studio wh hey and he's telling us
how he came to Islam and we're letting
you know that Muslims we love Jesus we
rever him as one of the mightiest
messengers of God and today we're going
to talk about how coming to Islam for
one man has strengthened his bond with
Jesus actually we have the studio jge
thank you again for coming in thank you
for having me so one thing we mentioned
Christlike that we pray like Jesus we
circumcise like Jesus we do all the
works because what's another verse that
he said that nobody's going to enter the
kingdom okay unless they keep the
Commandments right so we try to keep
God's commandment we don't break them or
any of these things everything that God
said to do we do everything that he
loves we love so just to touch on that
now let's go back to what you said that
another prophet was coming mhm after
Jesus right now that is a prophecy that
is uh being said by Muslims that he was
going to come uh and to make it clear
you can look at a certain couple of
verses and like I said many many
Christians will object to this uh what
I'm going to say right now but if you
look in Deuteronomy 18:18 and also
Isaiah 29 uh 12 you look at these verses
uh and you can compare them and then
also John 16:7 and then you can see
clear literally what do they say well
Deuteronomy 18:18 18:18 says that U God
saying that he will raise a prophet
among their Brethren like unto you like
unto whom Moses because we're talking
about the five books of Moses Genesis
Leviticus numbers and exodus and
Deuteronomy so in here he's talking
about he's going to raise a prophet
among thy Brethren and uh we ask who's
the Brethren of the Israelites and if we
look at the story and Abraham had two
sons Isaac and Ismail so from from Isaac
comes the and from is comes the Arabs so
the Arabs are the Brethren of the
Israelites so this is what I'm talking
about yes so this is one of the verses
and if you look at the verse um in
Isaiah 29:12 it says and the book is
delivered to him who is not learn it and
it says I pray thee read and he says I
cannot read I'm not learning who are we
talking about that's how the Revelation
came to the last and final messenger of
mankind of prophet Muhammad the angel
had told him which means read rest
Proclaim and he was leared he was known
as The unlettered Prophet right this is
when Angel Gabriel came to him and
grabbed them and tell him to read so
this this Prophet is in there and also
now it's confirmed that by Jesus in the
end in John 16:7 it says nevertheless I
have to leave if I do not leave I will
not send the counselor uh the comforter
but if I if I leave I will send them to
you so here's the connection to this
like I said many Christian will will
object to what I'm saying but this the
truth is the truth you know we are here
to tell the truth and uh and so this was
what also makes me closer to Jesus you
know one of the reasons you know I
believe that he was one of the mighty
prophets that came from Allah subhana wa
ta'ala and God is the only one who can
do this yeah so let's go back now a
little bit rewind and tell us you you're
going from one denomination to the next
and to the next and you're searching
you're obviously you're you're searching
for the correct way you don't want to
just follow what your forefathers did
what your parents raised you to to to be
you you have some doubts you got
questions now let's start from there how
you overcame this and you came to Islam
how did all this uh come to uh being
well you know we know that Allah gave us
a mind of our own now when you say Allah
for those people that know who you're
talking about I mean God he gave us he
gave us a mind to choose and I choose to
uh do my research I I choose to read I
choose to investigate and by reading and
investigating you find certain things uh
most of the people don't read about
these things and they need to uh they
need to do their own research uh they
need to start reading and finding for
themselves I mean we're not forcing them
but uh how I came to embrace Islam is by
the grace of God he's the one who lead
me to this pathway it's by his grace
that I'm here tell us uh some of the
details how was it one day one night
tell us a little well what happened was
I was practicing uh and this is one
martial arts school I was practicing
aido it's a Japanese martial arts and as
I was practicing in his martial arts I
bump into a young man from Algeria and I
thought he was Spanish because he looked
Spanish and so I approached him and I
talked to him in Spanish and I asked him
if he wanted to practice with me but he
said I don't speak Spanish and I go
where you from he goes I'm from Algeria
and here I asked him if he was a Muslim
and then uh I don't KN the reasons why I
asked him I don't know I just started
asking him questions you know I just
began to ask him questions I knew a
little bit about Islam but not that much
at the time so I told him if he can uh
please uh bring me a Quran because I
hear this book is got so many things
that people are so afraid of it you know
they they're so terrified of this Quran
that it's going to brainwash you and all
of this so I asked him to bring me a
Quran and I wanted to read this for
myself and then so two weeks went by and
he came by with this book and uh the
Holy Quran and then he brought it to me
you had the translation of the Quran oh
yeah I had the translation yes and then
uh uh he had on one side he gave me the
Arabic and then on the other side he
gave me the translation in English
because he asked me either in Spanish or
English I say English will be fine I
speak both languages anyway so uh I took
it home and I told him before I even
took it home I told him how much I owe
he goes it's nothing he it's a gift take
it with you so there was a uh this was a
Thursday night and uh and I began to
wonder about this book and I said well
let me see how this book people are
talking about so I read it and it hit me
it just hit me right there and then it
just opened the first page and it was
the Surah Al faat and I read in the
first chapter the first chapter that
opens the Quran and I just read the the
the title on top where it
says which means in the name of Allah
the most merciful the most beneficent so
so in the name of God the most gracious
the most merciful and right there the
author is not so and so or so and so or
Johnny or Tommy or Mike or according to
this according to that it's identifying
that it's from God almighty this is uh
it's confirming me something that I
never saw before on any on any the
Bibles because all the Bibles uh if you
can notice they're being revised and why
are they revising I don't I don't have
no reason but I I would talk that's
another topic yeah but uh when I read
this it just it hit me and so this is
the reason why I did my research and
then when I started asking questions
about Islam uh I got the answers that I
never got through uh asking the
Christians about the reasons why this
was not making any sense to me but Islam
made the most sense to me and and by I
say but the grace of Allah I'm here and
this is the truth and if you want to
know why I'm saying the truth because a
lot of the a lot of religion says there
have the truth but Islam s also says
they have the truth but it also brings
facts with it backs it up with evidence
backs it up with evence we take a break
and we'll be right back on the dean
show while it is told in the Quran that
it is easy for God to bring man to life
after death the fingerprint of man is
particularly
emphasized yes we are able to put
together in perfect order the very tips
of his
fingers the emphasis on fingerprints has
a very special
meaning this is because everyone's
fingerprint is unique to himself every
person who is alive or who has ever
lived in this world has a set of unique
fingerprints that is why fingerprints
are accepted as a very important
identity card exclusive to its owner and
used for this purpose around the
world but what is important is that this
feature of the fingerprint was only
discovered in the late 19th century
before then people regarded fingerprints
as ordinary curves without any specific
importance or meaning however in the
Quran God points to the fingertips which
did not attract anyone's attention at
that time and calls our attention to
their importance an importance that
could only be understood in our
age thank you thank you for tuning in to
the dean show the all new show on Islam
and Muslims helping you develop a better
understanding and we have Jorge Garcia
yeah Jorge Garcia Jorge Garcia so we
left off on evidence right what is some
of the overwhelming evidence that really
caught your attention and had you step
over to submission and surrender to God
well in the in the Quran it mentions
scientific facts that you know there
didn't happen at the time there there
was no scientific evidence at the time
of the Prophet wasam uh like for
instance uh you know you're looking at
uh astrology it's talking about uh uh an
ocean there's two oceans and there's a
river between two oceans they're
assaulted but in the middle of these two
oceans it's a it's a river that runs
barrier like a barrier like it's not
salted but it's clear water it's like a
you know from a river but it's not
mixing with the two other oceans he
talking about mountains that have Roots
uh embedded into the Earth so like pegs
yeah like pegs right and you know it
talks about many many different things
that at the time scientific wasn't even
evolved you know and how this uh
illiterate person knew about this and
also the other evidence I have would be
um that at the time of Jus let's make
this uh Jesus spoke Aramaic and at the
time he was uh in this Earth You Know
none of his disciples wrote anything
down remember he never spoke Greek so at
the time none of his disciples wrote
anything down and if they did I want to
see the evidence I want to see where
these uh these books are at everything
you have now is either in Hebrew or a
Greek you know and so most of these are
copies among copies whether it's the
Quran when he received the Revelation he
dictated to his uh Companions and they
uh they wrote them down and they were
memorized and then later on will compil
into a into what we have now which is
the Quran yeah tell us uh we're running
on time we're going to come to a close
and tell us real briefly cuz we're going
to have to bring you back on for part
two cuz this is really interesting and
I'm sure a lot of people getting a
benefit tell us what you believe now and
some of the daily activities to show the
people that actually Islam is nothing we
weird Islam is something surrender and
submission to the Creator is something
natural it's for everybody and how it is
affected your life how it's changed it
tell us some of your beliefs and what
you live by daytoday uh uh what he have
done for me it has made my life a lot
easier it has opened my eyes to a new
different uh perspective in life Islam
is like I mentioned uh you like you have
mentioned is peace and also Islam it
opens doors for me and now these doors
are open not only to my family uh to
many other uh Latino communities uh
members there are you know Latino
speaking people that are wondering about
Islam not what you hear on the
television this negative uh propaganda
yeah there's some negatives yeah but
it's not Islam itself you know you have
to find out the true meaning of Islam
you have to find out what Islam is is
about and Islam once you really find out
what Islam is is beautiful it talks
about different things that they are
putting in the media or in paper books
or books or whatever this is not Islam
you want to find out about Islam all you
have to do is ask and you can find out
go to any musk and ask your mask uh
Community or any members of that mask
ask them you know and they will tell you
tell us what your belief is now my as
opposed to before my belief is in in the
unity there's only one God and he's the
only one without no Partners there is
only one one Creator which I also
thought in the beginning there's nothing
compared to him you know so there's only
one God one Creator and the prophets are
his tools and how he makes his uh his
miracles through these prophets because
this why the prophets came to say
there's only one God there's only one
unity in the one and is a one God real
quick last question now who's taking and
paying the price for your sins now
someone would say that Jesus he was the
lamb he was the one that was nailed to
the cross and he spilled the blood for
you but now as a Muslim what do you
believe about this do you believe that
someone else pays the price for your
sins are you born into sin real quickly
just touch upon this no no not boring to
sin uh everybody individually is
responsible for their own Deeds uh you
can look that also in the Bible and uh
you can look at in Ezekiel 18 uh chapter
20 uh you can see this and then it'll
explain to you and it says the
iniquities of the father are not the
iniquities of the Son and the iniquities
of the son are not the iniquities of the
father so they cannot carry each other
sins so what your father did it's not
it's on him right and what you doing
that's on you but if you turn to God and
you apologize and you make a mistake and
you say you're sorry and you sincerely
sincerely from your heart you change
your ways God forgives he's the most
merciful right if you're sincere with
this if you're sincere if you're sincere
with this yes and that's what he wants
from us to be sincere he wants from us
to be pass this test to struggle more
for the
Hereafter instead of the worldly
consumer world just consuming one day
after the the next striving to have a
bigger house a fancier car not thinking
about death which is a reality is going
to come so we're talking about serious
issues letting the people benefit and I
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learn today that surrender submission
sincerely
obedience is to be geared towards the
creator of the heavens and earth alone
not any created being you prostrate to
him you pray to him you beseech him you
make a mistake you call upon him alone
if a man who needs airs like I do and if
he puts your hand over his mouth he
can't breathe no more he needs that air
he's not what he cannot be God if he
eats he got to use the bathroom he
cannot be God all right so we have to
know that the Creator is distinct from
his creation and that you call upon him
alone and if you can dig this that you
worship the Creator and not his creation
then you can dig Islam you can dig
submission and surrender that's what it
means to God alone and that's what the
whole message is about and doing good
deeds so again I hope you got the
benefit and we'll see you again on the
dean show assalam alikum peace be unto
you
Allah there's only one God and muhamad
is his
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messenger there's only one God and Jesus
was his messenger Allah
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