and tuer Carlson do you think the
presence of evil is kickstarting people
to wonder about the good that's what
happened to me that's what happened to
you oh yeah I had a
direct uh experience with it this is the
Jin synonymous I mean Shayan Jin yeah
the same thing right on the light in the
bathroom and I had four claw marks on
either side underneath my arms and on my
left shoulder one of them actually used
the word Jin in a way I I I I refer to
them as a Jin and the Shan has mentioned
over I believe 140 times in the Quran is
how the Shan attacks us and how he
tailor his attack based off of who we
are just CU we're not thinking about the
Shan doesn't mean the Shan is not
attacking us
the this is the
the this is
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comments so good to see you man good to
see you too as always how you been I've
been good alhamdulillah busy but you
know alhamdulillah so I was going to
introduce you as the author of
everything you want to know about Shayan
it's a new book coming out and we'll
discuss that a little bit later in the
interview uh so usually people introduce
someone that's already written a book
but you got a book coming out yes I'm
hoping by the time this comes out the
book comes out but that might be a
little bit too optimistic on my end
you're going to I mean very interesting
I mean this is if you want to know about
the key player out there the one who's
deceiving has been deceiving people
since long time ago and
yes that's theil that's when that's when
the the battle started yeah and and
you're going to be writing a book that's
intensive going into who the devil is
and what yes so the Islamic
understanding and the Islamic
perspective on the devil so on one sense
it's an AA book because our belief in
the devil is part of our belief system
you know a lot of faiths out there a lot
of traditions when they talk about the
devil it's almost like he's a metaphor
for evil right there's no actual being
called the Shan or the devil or Satan uh
according to to our a according to our
Creed thean is an actual being created
by Allah and he worshiped Allah for a
long time and he was actually the best
amongst the Jin to the point where Allah
raised him up to live amongst the angels
and then he was tested by Allah and he
was tested through the creation of Adam
because now he had to Humble himself so
for a long time he thought I'm the best
I'm the man for a long time and then
Allah created Adam and Allah gathered
the angels and instructed with thean and
Allah instructed the angels to fall into
prostration
before and Allah tells us that he
refused Allah said he became
arrogant and that arrogance led to his
disbelief so you know this is an issue
even for us as Believers there's a
reason why Allah shares the story in the
Quran it's found all over the Quran and
the Shan has mentioned over I believe
140 times in the Quran you know often
times when we think about thean we it's
just this very passive relationship with
thean that's a problem with the culture
we live in you know we think about Satan
it's just something we relegate to like
Halloween you know demons and this it's
just become a joke a play thing or it's
made into a horror thing in the sh we're
not afraid of like thean being horrific
looking what it's the spiritual attack
of thean so the lesson for one of the
big lessons is it started with h that
jealousy that he had which led to his
arrogance which led to his kufur his
disbelief so it's it's his story so on
one hand we have the full story of thean
anything and everything that you want to
know about thean and then the spiritual
aspect of it or the Tasia purification
aspect of it is how the Shan attacks us
and how he tailor his attack based off
of who we are some people feel safe from
the attack of thean you know someone's
like I'm a big big scholar big she or
I'm a half of the Quran or I'm a good
Muslim and this and that and they feel
like thean will never attack them but
sometimes thatan attacks them more
severely than the person is already
astray cuz thean he's already astray
he's already I got him nothing to worry
about and the impact you know I don't
know if you want to talk about this but
the impact of misleading a person of
knowledge is disastrous you know what
happens when a person of knowledge goes
astray the number of problems number one
the average person looks at a person of
knowledge who commits a major sin or
goes astray the average person thinks
well if this if this
person is going to fall into this sin
what hope do I have I'm not a big Sheikh
I'm not a big scholar and so many people
lose hope and then you have people who
lose hope in Islam itself right they're
like oh so the problem isn't this person
the problem is Islam right that look
this person was preaching Islam or
they're talking about Islam or they're
supposed to be representing Islam and
look they commit this sin so they lose
and this is a big win for thean that
look Islam is the problem and you'll see
now and what this happens we've seen it
happen uh people who are against Islam
even like atheists will jump on the
bandwagon right like oh this person who
is a scholar or this or that whatever
look he did this and they'll use that as
a method to attack Islam as a whole
that's a big victory for the Shan last
but not least is that sometimes a a
scholar Who falls into a sin may try to
rationalize that sin because he knows he
has that power he's in a position of
authority he's speaking for Islam and
imagine what happens if a scholar
rationalizes a sin a scholar says no no
it's actually you know what it's
actually Hal it's actually okay how many
thousands in our time millions of people
will go astray I mean we I'm sure you've
seen it happen online right somebody
does something online and they're a big
personality and and because they're a
big
personality how many people follow them
and say okay it must be okay because
they're doing it they have a massive
influence yeah a massive influence and
the Shan is in the numbers game he wants
numbers he wants to get the most bang
for his buck so that's why it's very
important to study the Shan and to study
how the Shan may affect us based off of
who we are so I'm hoping in may Allah
accept this this uh this effort and
Allah allow it to come to
fruition um I'm looking forward to being
able to to share this knowledge with
people insh this is extremely important
knowing your enemy and the enemy of
mankind is the devil shaan absolutely
tell me uh have you heard this is not
Islamic statement but we've heard this
uh profound statement saying that the
greatest lies ever told convincing
humankind that he doesn't exist yeah one
of the one of the greatest lies the
devil ever told was to yeah that he
doesn't exist absolutely and for Muslims
you know it's very interesting because
as Muslims it's not that we don't we
deny the existence of the devil you know
we it's impossible for us to deny the
existence of the devil because even when
we recite the Quran what did Allah
say when you recite the Quran seek
refuge in Allah from thean the accursed
Shan we can't deny it thean knows that
so he will resort to us just not
thinking about thean like it's not even
a concern Allah
says the is your
enemy take him as your enemy how many
Muslims in their day say you know what
I'm going to take the Shan as my enemy
I'm going to make be cognizant be aware
where is the Shan attacking me how is he
attacking my speech we speak we say
things without thinking about is this
really beneficial to this relationship
is it helping or is it going to make
thean happy right especially with social
media and you know we talked about this
earlier how toxic social media has
become right that's a playground for me
the social media has become a playground
for The Shan right Shan's our enemy like
Allah so the way thean gets Muslims is
to get us to not think about thean even
though every day we're
saying but we just don't think about it
we think we're good to go you know so
absolutely that statement I agree with
that statement you have to be cognizant
and aware of your enemy absolutely just
like you're just you're in the
battlefield you got to know the tricks
and traps and so you can be well
prepared yeah can I share with you a a
statement of the Prophet when he wanted
to describe how thean is with us please
he
said he said thean flows authentic
Hadith flows through human beings like
the flowing of blood I usually tell
people take your hand and feel your
pulse that is how described thean he
flows within us like the flowing of
blood now our pulse is something that we
don't think about right we're alive
because of
and because our blood is Flowing blood
stops flowing heart stops pumping blood
we're not going to that's it right blood
keeps flowing but we don't think about
it the Shan is there attacking us but we
don't think about it and the this pulse
the blood flowing is consistent it
doesn't stop the Shan doesn't stop just
cuz we're not thinking about the Shan
doesn't mean the shatan is not attacking
us and the blood continues to flow as
long as we're alive the Shan continues
to attack us as long as we're alive even
if we have one breath
left the Shan will come and try to
deceive us and yet we're oblivious we
don't we don't think about the attacks
of of of thean how many people live a a
good Pious life and at the end of their
life they're deceived by the by the Shan
IM Ahmed on his
deathbed was saying La no his his
children were saying to him say you know
the sun told us that if someone someone
is in their death bed we should
encourage them them to say the Shah to
say and so his children are telling
their father
say and he's saying
no not yet and his children like what's
going on and IM Ahmed is in and out of
Consciousness and he he gains
Consciousness and his children ask him
we were telling you to say say the and
you kept saying no and IM Ahmed says no
it's I felt thean telling me you've won
you're going to Jenna
you're Victorious and I was telling
thean no not yet I'm still alive you can
still get to
me and yet we don't think about the Shan
synonymous I mean Shan Jin yeah the same
thing right so the Shan is one of the
Jin uh this is our belief as Muslims
that uh you know in other I believe in
the Christian tradition uh this Satan is
a fallen angel uh and even though this
is a very minor opinion in Islam the
opinion of you know most of the scholars
in Islam our tradition is that thean was
a was a Jin Allah says he was one of the
Jin so yeah he's one of the Jin he's
obviously a bad Jin amongst the Jin we
know that there are those who are Pious
and those who are good and then those
who are dis just like mankind right
Allah gave them free will to choose to
make the right decision uh likewise the
Jin were given that free will as well
Allah says in in I believe Jin that the
the Jin said
uh amongst us are those who are Pious
and those who are other than
that we're of different paths so amongst
the Jin you have the pious and the
impious and obviously the worst of the
Jin and human humankind is
thean what um recently I had um some
guests and we were talking about
reacting to Joe Rogan and tuer Carlson
do you think the presence of evil is
kickstarting people to wonder about the
good that's what happened to me that's
what happened to you oh yeah I had a
direct uh experience with it in the
millu of Journalism or just no in my bed
at night and I got attacked while I was
asleep with my wife and four dogs in the
bed and
mauled physically
mauled um and a spiritual attack by a
demon Yeah by a
demon or by something unseen that left
right claw marks on my sides on my so
they left physical marks oh they're
still there MH and they were talking
about Tucker was talking about all his
investigating and speaking to certain
people on they didn't say Jin but they
were describing was your wife terrified
I know you were I wasn't I was totally
confused I woke up and I was couldn't
breathe and I thought I was going to
suffocate and I walked around outside
and then I walked in and my wife and
dogs had not woken up and they're very
light sleepers and then I had these
terrible pains on on my rib cage and on
my shoulder and I was just in my boxer
shorts and I went and flipped on the
light in the bathroom and I had four
claw marks on either side underneath my
arms and on my left
shoulder and they're
bleeding wait they they were bleeding
they're bleeding yeah no they're actual
claw marks and I sleep on my side so I
wasn't clawing myself I don't have long
nails um and they didn't fit my hands
anyway but yeah that happened what when
I brought the Gin expert the person the
Sher who did a lot of EXT of research
has written on this so they're
describing how these creatures they'll
call them aliens and they're describing
how fast they travel what they can do
and how even the government now is you
have people who have testified in front
of um the the um Congress and uh
hearings and one of the individuals is
actually I interviewed um another
brother from AA brother Imran and they
had a team from AA you know ABD Rahim
green AA they had a have a team and they
were going into deep uh discussing many
of these things now from the non-muslim
sources and they're saying what they're
writing on what they're putting out this
is actually from Tucker his
investigation from the from many of
these uh these hearings that are
happening and then also investigators
and uh who've actually used one of them
actually used the word Jin in a way I I
I refer to them as a Jen because a Jen
you know in in in in um Arab culture you
know there sort of like us or they're
made out of quote unquote fire oh wow uh
so now the reason I bring this point up
is because what the brother Imran was
saying when I interviewed him he's
saying we didn't we didn't know when the
right timing was now to come out with
lot of's information but we see what my
point is a lot of non-muslims are
talking about this UFO aliens and
whatnot but now we see that this is
actually the world this is the gin yeah
what do you think about this look I mean
I can't speak to obviously the validity
of that I'm not an expert in that topic
uh but what I can comment on what I can
say is that I it is part of our nature
our F to understand that there's
something beyond our worldly existence
and our perception and this is why the
vast majority of human beings on Earth
whether you're Muslim or not whether
even if you're an
atheist in some way believe in something
Beyond themselves sometimes they'll call
it oh Mother Nature yeah right Karma
whatever name you give it that's your F
that's your natural inclination to know
there's something Beyond you and people
love this topic they love talking about
it yeah even even Muslims love the topic
this why U one of my one of my friends
he said uh Muslims love two topics Jin
and and marriage yeah he said if you
want to do a a a topic that a lot of
people will come to talk about Jin
marriages a lot of people will show up
but yeah it's natural to be curious
about things that uh are Beyond us right
Allah tells us that we don't have access
to the world of the of the Jin that the
Allah tells us of
the he sees you him and his party his
tribe in a way that you don't see them
so this tells us that the Jin have the
ability to see us but we don't have the
ability to see them right so it's
natural human curiosity to want to be to
want more want to learn more about
something that is beyond our uh sight
and sometimes even beyond our
understanding since we're talking about
this topic now the Shayan Jin usually
what comes into that is uh possession
have you witnessed over your years have
you seen any kind of real stories of
someone being possessed by a g
legitimate case yeah and then someone
reciting over them and then you know the
reaction so look I'm just I'll be real
with you uh you know there I made a very
conscious decision when I started in
this topic of the shaan the Islamic
perspective on the Shan to stay away
from that topic because I didn't want it
to take over the conversation I got you
okay so I deal with the spiritual impact
of the because once you get into that
that's all people want to talk about I
personally I don't like that stuff uh R
in that I'm not an expert in it it's not
my specialty um I know people who you
know do Ria and and and use the Quran to
cure and to help people um not my area
of expertise yeah uh being equipped now
with the tools I think this is something
that people take lightly when you think
about your what you're saying your enemy
the enemy of mankind and then you wake
up and then you have the tools EOD for
example yes to be out in the battlefield
without any kind of equipment to face
your enemy is that synonymous with now
you not doing your Eartha not taking
that part seriously where you at what do
you how vulnerable you are to more of
the attacks of Shan absolutely so
regarding the Shan it's very interesting
Allah describes thean as our enemy
numerous times but Allah also says
the plots of thean or the plot of thean
is very weak so how do we understand
them two together well for people who
protect themselves the Shan is actually
weak who those who protect themselves
those who protect themselves so first
part of protecting ourselves is knowing
and understanding our enemy right if we
don't know our enemy we don't know how
he's going to attack us then we can't
protect ourselves so having the
knowledge and the information guidance
from Allah guidance in the sunah of the
Prophet sallallah alai wasallam and then
also in terms of our piety our Scholars
they would say that the only thing that
gives thean power over us is our sins we
basically we relinquish power to the
shaan so if someone is being deceived is
because a person allowed the Shan to
deceive them uh and so this is something
that we we as I said we relinquish the
power to the Shan through our own sins
so number one people say okay how do I
protect myself well knowledge number two
sometimes people want like oh give me
this uh which should I be reciting and
so that's absolutely important before
that are you fulfilling your obligations
obligations someone who's not praying
five times a day I wouldn't tell them no
no you got to make sure you do all your
well first do the obligations because
that's our first line of defense and the
most
powerful right and then fulfilling our
oblig praying five times a day staying
away from major sins and then yes
absolutely our morning AAR our evening
AAR we have numerous authentic
narrations when the prophet tells us
what to recite and how to protect
ourselves I tell people by the way if
there's one thing you take away right
two things number
one something we should always be saying
and even Allah tells us even when you
recite the Quran I mean this the Quran
is a means of guidance right but even
thean can lead people astray through the
Quran someone say how is that well some
people approach the Quran with the wrong
intentions I mean I'm sure you've seen
this people already have preconceived
notions and they want to read that into
the Quran right they've already decided
about something or Haram or good or bad
what and they read their own
interpretation to the Quran so now thean
has used the Quran to deceive this
person so Allah says seek refuge in
Allah from the when reciting the Quran
so
saying always if you don't know what to
do
say number
two person taught us to recite before
going to bed and the three build upon
that that's a very Basics I think you
don't need to memorize all of the if you
can excellent I'm sure there's a this
book you've heard of Muslim yes Fortress
of the Muslim it has all our duas for
the morning the evening putting on our
clothes taking clothes off entering the
house leaving our house the more we
incorporate that into our life the more
not only the more not only will be
protected from thean we'll find more
blessings Baraka in our life I was
assuming now most people now that
we're at but that at that level of
establishing the Salah even before we
get toar but if you're not even
establishing Salah exactly where you are
where you at now exactly we've left the
door open for the for the Shan um in one
narration there's some question about
the authenticity of this narration but
our Scholars say that the meaning of it
is correct that um we all have a right
if you want to know more about this you
can read about in the book but told us
that we are all assigned a partner from
from the from the Jin this is a that
encourages us to do evil that we can
weaken the influence of our just like we
can weaken a riding animal you know if
we don't give it rest we have a riding
animal or a car you know you don't take
care of your car you don't change the
oil you don't change the brakes you
abuse it it's going to become weak
riding animal becomes likewise our can
become weak how do we do it the
more obviously Salah Quran
there comes a point where the the
influence of the Shan becomes weak
because we're not giving thean any room
to affect us even you know praying five
times a day we may not think much of it
right but that's five important
Junctions in our day where we are
turning to
Allah how can the Shan attack this
person when the person is consistantly
involved in their worship of Allah so
the book is coming out when what's it
called the book is called have you
picked the title yet I have so hopefully
this title is a title I'll go with it's
called deception a study of the
shaan uh I'm in the final stages of
writing the book I don't want to give it
an exact time uh but I ask Allah for the
ability to complete this book uh and
hopefully it should be coming
out soon thank you for sharing that with
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