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you would were able to if you had the
opportunity one of the founding
fathers his one of the children uh
great-grandfathers let's say you had a
friend whose great-grandfather was one
of the original signers of the
Declaration of Independence of this
country for example but my next guess
his grandfather was one of the original
signers of the Declaration of
Independence for the state of Israel and
his father was a general for the Israeli
Army and we're going to be talking about
his book The General son here on the
dean show we've heard a lot of myths of
Santa Claus the too bunny but these are
some great myths that he's going to be
dispelling here on the dean show with my
next guest M pillet don't go anywhere
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the gretings and peace how are you
mumum greetings and peace thank you for
being with us here on the dean show
peace activist you're the author of The
General Sun yes and I made it you know
many people they would love to meet one
of the founding fathers someone who's
connected to them but your grandfather
was the founding uh one of the founding
fathers of the state of Israel yes he
was tell us about this yes he was the
generation of my grandparents uh was the
generation of
um the first Jews to uh take on
Zionism um as an ideology and um take on
this idea of establishing a Jewish
homeland in
Palestine um and he was very active um
he became a leader within the
movement he was a member of the de
facto Jewish government before the state
of Israel was established and he was one
of the signers on the Declaration of
Independence when the state of Israel
was established so that would be that
you can make a contrast like let's say
he was like the Abraham Lincoln or the
no I'm I'm sorry I'm sorry George
Washington I'm sorry
George Washington yes okay and then from
there your father actually he was the
General my father was yes my father was
both my parents were born in Palestine
so they were the first generation
Israelis if you will first generation
Jews were born there um and my father as
a young man while still in high school
joined the aist militia he became an
officer so in the war of
1948 uh when the Hest
occupied uh most of Palestine he was an
officer already and then he remained in
the military as a career officer and by
1967 he was already a general and and a
member of the Israeli Central Command
the high command now something happened
in your life something very sad and
tragic that your niece she was killed by
a suicide bomber is that right that's
right now you didn't go off and start to
just blindly hate everybody cuz I mean
we know that this is something
Despicable this is something that is
horrific
and many people they would just end up
you know hating a whole Community a
whole race because of this and we see
this you know uh happening but you did
something
different well to begin with the people
who killed my niece killed themselves as
well so there's nobody to hate even if I
was inclined to hate um the inspiration
to do what I did actually came from my
sister my n's
mother um because after this happened
and after the funeral the usual
questions that come come up have to do
with revenge and retaliation and and and
catching who's responsible and so
forth um and then hating in community
this is what's what's somehow expected
for some
reason well my sister came out when she
came out and started talking to people
and answering questions because there
was a lot of press it was big news in
Israel in fact there was big news
everywhere and lot in all over the world
because she was a granddaughter of a
famous
General um and my sister said first of
all don't talk to me about killing more
people the idea of of killing people in
response to somebody's death is
Despicable and no real mother would want
to see this happen to another
mother in terms of responsible both she
and her husband said we hold the Israeli
government responsible for our
daughter's death
because when you maintain such a brutal
oppression and a brutal occupation
against another Nation when you take
away people's land and you destroy their
homes would you incarcerate their
fathers and quite often their mothers uh
when you shoot their brothers and
sisters in the in their school in the
schoolyards this is what we get this is
the price that you pay as as a as a
society that maintains such a brutal
oppression and occupation against
another people there's a price to be
paid and this is the price that we pay
and therefore they both
felt um that uh they both held the
Israeli government responsible because
the Israeli government is responsible
for the reality that exists there now
someone just said that's an anti-semitic
statement you just made somebody's
pointing the finger and say this guy is
anti-Semitic what do you have to say
about that well I'm Jewish so being
anti-semitic is nonsense number one
number two being anti-semitic means
being racist against Jews I'm not racist
against Jews um but I am critical of the
state of Israel I'm critical of Zionism
which has really nothing to do with Jews
um although they claim to so there's
nothing anti-semitic about criticizing
Israel in fact most Jews don't even live
there uh most Jews never accepted
Zionism so I don't think there's that
has anything to do with it and it's a
claim that's being thrown out when
there's nothing else to say when the
other side the pro-israeli side the side
that supports the violence in Palestine
uh has nothing to say they say
anti-semitic well so they say
anti-semitic what if uh someone says
look he's just a self-hating Jew have
you heard this statement yeah well I
certainly don't hate myself that's
nonsense and I don't hate anybody else I
think it's again it's one of those
things they throw at you when they when
they've got no argument yeah what else
we're going to be getting into some of
the top minut that are surrounded I have
actually I was telling you I have a
student of mine who's a good friend of
mine uh hopefully he'll watch the show
and we've gotten into you know um this
uh talk uh a few times and usually uh
because any this is this is a human
thing you know when you see children who
are just being killed right and um
indiscriminately and then people will
make arguments like look this this we're
we're being we're the ones being
terrorized you know that that you know
we have to defend ourselves right uh
this land we came there and now they're
trying to force us into the ocean so
what do you say when you hear things
like this well it's a complete
Distortion of the of the history and a
complete Distortion of reality the only
reason there is a Palestinian resistance
is because the Palestinians were thrown
out of their land Palestine was occupied
and Palestinians live under a brutal
regime uh which is very similar to the
apartheid regime that that used to exist
in South Africa therefore there is
resistance if there was if that didn't
exist if there was no occupation of
Palestine if Israel did not violently
kill and oppress Palestinians there
would be no Palestinian resistance so
you can't blame the victim for resisting
you have to look at what started the
conflict you have to look at the
oppressor you have to look at the
stronger power and the responsibility
lays in their hand I just had a a a a
rabbi um give me an analogy he said look
imagine you left your home and then
someone came and occupied it and then
you try to get it back and then they
went to the judge have you heard some of
these analogies maybe you can you can
yeah I that's assuming that you know
that's that's that's taking it into a
place which I I don't usually go that's
making the assumption that today's Jews
are really the descendants of the
ancient Hebrews that used to live in
that part of the world some 3,000 years
ago that's a that's a that's a bit of a
stretch for me um and even if it was
true I don't think it I I agree with him
it doesn't justify you know I did not
live there 3,000 years ago my
grandparents immigrated from from from
Ukraine their parents their grandparents
didn't live there and I don't know any
Jew that can trace his or her ancestors
back to the ancient Hebrews so that's a
lot of you know that's a lot of uh a lot
of myth there um and I don't think it's
relevant the point is the Zionist
movement was a colonialist movement it
was brutally oppressive and um that is
that is why we have a problem and that
is why there's no peace in Palestine
we're going to continue that's one of
the myths that the land was uninhabited
there was no people there yeah so if
there no people there it's not being uh
used why can't we use it so this is one
of the myths that we're going to be
clearing up here on the dean show with
the general son mik pet don't go
anywhere this is really quite bizarre
because all it takes is a little bit of
reading of History to find out that this
just is some true there is no congenital
historical enmity between the Arabs and
the Jews the mainstream Israeli Jewish
Society believe because that's the way
they had been educated that Palestine
was empty had been empty when the Jewish
settlers came there is it really true
that Israel was a land without a people
for a people without a land Palestine
was not empty it was a land populated by
Arabs who had a high level of culture
high level of Education with farms and
markets and towns and Villages and Roads
and commerce and lots of interaction
with the rest of the world the
population was overwhelmingly
overwhelmingly
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the general son grandfather was one of
the original signers of the Declaration
of Independence and 25 years black Bell
in karate yeah all right so we got
something uh else in common there okay
so uh they say people will say that okay
look nobody was living there it was just
Barren land nobody's there it's
uninhabited what do we what what uh is
this true or not well if nobody was
living there then then how is it that
close to a million people were forced
out in
1948 those people came from the moon or
something there were people living there
and they were forced out in in in in
what Israel calls the war of IND
dependence I think more more accurately
is called the campaign of ethnic
cleansing and terrorism that forced
Palestinians out of their homes and uh
out of their land and into refugee camps
mostly and which is why today we have
over four million Palestinians living in
in in horrific conditions in refugee
camps both in Palestine sometimes
minutes away from their land and in
other countries around around
Palestine um all you have to do I mean
look at pictures listen to stories I
mean the Palestinians were there they
were always referred to as a people to
say that there were no people there is
just complete ignorance are you saying
that also the textbooks many people they
grow up as kids reading you know the
history books are the history books
tainted absolutely um there's a book
that came out my my sister n is is is a
um professor at the Hebrew University
she's an educator and she published a
book about two years ago called uh
Palestine and Israeli school books um
and the question is she asked was how is
it that Israeli children who grow up in
what seems to be a liberal de Democratic
Society when they're 18 they put on a
uniform and they become monsters and
they suddenly are capable of of of
terrible atrocities against the
Palestinians so she decided to take a
look at the Israeli school books the
Israeli textbooks and she took some time
off and she did some serious Research
into the schools that are being taught
in Israeli high schools and she found
clearly that the Israeli education
system is Tainted and racist
racist completely racist and it follows
models of other racist colonialist
societies give us an example well the
way Palestinians are portrayed in in the
textbooks are they're either portrayed
as
non-existent as some kind of a problem
like
poverty or as terrorists there is not a
single portrayal of a Palestinian as a
human being the maps the way the maps
are portrayed in Israeli geography uh in
the in the geography books it's always
the map of the entire country with no
recognition of Palestinian cities or
towns or population Palestinians are
like a non- entity there are Jews and
there are others and the others are not
really marked so Israeli children grow
growing up what all they know about
Palestinians is that they're either some
kind of a environmental problem poor and
filthy or
terrorists this is the only frame of
reference that they have even though
it's a very small countries and and
everywhere Israelis live is no more than
a 10-minute drive from a Palestinian
community
but that's the other problem which is
that it's a very segregated country
Israel segregated it uh in a very
effective way so israelies never meet
Palestinians you know I grew up in
Jerusalem I was born and raised in
Jerusalem and most of my life it was
completely occupied it was supposedly a
mixed City I never met a Palestinian
until I moved to the United States I
never sat and talked to Palestinians
until I was living in the United States
I was never with a Palestinian where the
laws that applied to my life and the
laws that applied to their life was the
were the same laws until moved to the
United States because back in Palestine
Israel that reality does not exist um
and so this is how Israelis are are are
raised to view Palestinians and at the
age of 18 they're given a gun and say
these enemies they're trying to kill us
they're trying to push us into the ocean
and there's no mention at all of what
the Zionist did in 1948 how they
committed these terrible crimes against
the
Palestinians apartheid we know this was
an evil thing in South
Africa and many people can relate to the
back of the bus now in this country when
they say look you got to get to the back
of the bus are we seeing the same thing
apar tide kind of get to the back of the
bus happening in this neck of the woods
it's AAR tide for sure it's not so much
get to the back of the bus type of a
partide it's more legal and so there's
there's real segregation in the
communities so we rarely take the same
buses um but the laws that govern the
live of Palestinians are completely
different than the laws that govern the
lives of someone like me an Israeli Jew
for an Israeli Jew like myself I come
and go as I please it's a liberal
democracy I can speak my mind I can you
know I mean it's I can I can I can I can
sell my house I can buy a house I can
get a job I mean it's a completely free
Society a free country for me
Palestinians live in one of three
different legal categories they either
live under a brutal military regime in
parts of the country or they live as
alien residents particularly in
Jerusalem um and if they're away for a
certain amount of time or if they end up
moving and having a citizenship in
another country then that is being that
is revoked from them they have no right
to return and then you have the
Palestinians who live and they actually
have some kind of an Israeli citizenship
and they live under a set of laws civil
laws that discriminate against them
specifically and this was set up as soon
as the state of Israel was established
this this set of a this apartheid regime
which is really when you have different
laws for different people this apartheid
regime was set up immediately as soon as
the state of Israel was established
separating Jews from non-jews um so that
is definitely an apartheid regime and
it's definitely a racist regime and it's
definitely uh uh an unjustifiable
inexcusable Injustice so you didn't say
there is get to the back of the bus but
a totally different bus it's a totally
different bus yeah it's it's in other
words the reality is different so it's
not to get back of the bus but it's it
it it's it's it's much deeper and it's a
much more complex legal uh legal reality
that exists there open air prison prison
we've heard that this is the biggest op
what what what does that mean well you
take a place like the Gaza Strip which
is about I don't know
uh 140 square kilometers or something
you know it's a very small place with
almost 2 million people living there
they've been under siege for years
nobody can come or go uh nobody can
trade nobody they can't they can they
can go out to fish because Gaza is on
the coast only about 3 kilomet out or 3
to 5 kilometers out depending on the
mood of the
army um you've got almost two million
people living in an open air prison when
you people can't come or go when people
cannot do Commerce when there are no
means of of uh of of of trade no means
of of of Life you've got the Israeli
Army bombing them on a regular basis
they cannot build after things are being
destroyed there they can't they have no
airport they can't fly out they can't
take a boat out they can't drive out
they can't walk out that's an open air
prison but what if someone says look
because if we don't do that then they're
going to kill us then they're going to
end up you know getting weapons and
they're going to come attack us what do
you say to that I said it's nonsense uh
if the the there's there's absolutely no
proof to to substantiate that claim
whatsoever is that why they do it though
no they do it because they want to keep
they want to keep Palestinians
segregated from Israel and they have
nothing else to do they don't know what
to do with the Palestinians in Gaza
Israel created a massive problem and it
doesn't know how to deal with it the
only way it knows how to deal with it is
with violence we're going to take a
break and come back with more of the
general son here on the dean show don't
go anywhere but what was created in
practice was institutional
discrimination against
non-jews in other words Israel ended up
being built on a blueprint of exclusion
the Israeli government wants maximum
land and resources for Jews but not the
Palestinians living
there that's why inside Israel Jews get
special privileges including rights to
land and housing that are denied to the
Palestinian citizens who make up 20% of
Israel's
population in the West Bank Israeli
Jewish settlers and Palestinians live on
the same land but must live under two
completely separate and unequal systems
of Israeli law the Jewish settlers
dominate the natural resources including
water and agricultural land and they're
backed by the Israeli Army to maintain
the occupation Israel has demolished
thousands of Palestinian homes and
Orchards confiscated Palestinian land
bombed a captive civilian population in
Gaza and punished resistance with raids
arrests and assassinations all to gain
maximum land while making life so
difficult for Palestinians that they
will either leave or be too afraid to
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the grandson of the original signers of
the Declaration of Independence for
Israel your grandfather was you were
born in Israel your father was General
in the Israeli Army you know the facts
not the fiction I compared that you know
we hear a lot of different you know
growing up fairy tales and myths and
this is a great myth you know one of
them we cleared up that the land was
inhabited and um nobody was there you
cleared that up and and the what's on
the ground now we also hear many things
like uh the media and many of
politicians they'll say that look that
the Palestinians if they did have an
upper hand they would do a holocaust
like the Nazis did what would you say to
that well we don't know what would
happen if but we do know what actually
took place and what actually took place
is the opposite what actually took took
place is a is is a is a massive campaign
of ethnic cleansing and a slow genocide
by the Israeli forces of the
Palestinians there's been a constant
attempt to destroy the Palestinian
people to kick them out of their land
and and and kill them in in in a whole
variety of different ways the latest
assault that we saw at Gaza this last
summer during Ramadan
uh Israel murdered in Cold Blood over
2,000 people on prime time uh with
weapons that are bought that are sold by
from America or by America to Israel
money that is given to Israel from
America in other words our taxpayers
dollars were all part of this we're all
complicit in a way unless we stand up
against it uh and this ridiculous claim
that there's somehow some kind of a
threat to Israel's security from Gaza
well Gaza is mostly refugees the Gaza
Strip was established by Israel in the
early
1950s as a place to house the thousands
and thousands of ref of Palestinians who
were thrown out of their homes and
became refugees as a result of the
establishment of the state of Israel and
now there's a problem now we've got this
this area called the Gaza Strip very
crowded and nobody knows what to do the
right thing to do would be to allow the
refugees to return to to compensate them
to to pay restitution and to allow them
to return to their homes as they should
as was done in other places
in history I mean not in Palestine uh
but Israel doesn't know what to do they
Israelis look at Gaza and they see the
results of this original crime of the
establishment of the Zion estate of the
state of Israel now the only other
solution that exists if if they're not
going to solve the problem is to attack
and then blame the Palestinians so
that's what they do we know there's been
never been an Army in Gaza there's never
been a tank in Gaza there's never been a
war plane or warship in Gaza there's
never been a military threat from Gaza
there have been attempts at at armed
resistance so we see the Kasam
Rockets uh which have harmed hardly no
one we see we used to see from time to
time small groups of guilla Fighters
trying to sabotage or or or cause some
some damage but they've never been able
to really pose a threat yet they are
bombarded and attacked on a regular
basis so what's Israel is very good at
and Israel allies Israel Israel's allies
are very good at is distorting the story
is attacking the victim and then blaming
the victim for starting the violence
which of course is complete nonsense
it's like somebody uh I mean it's been
compared to someone just being raped and
accepting expecting that person not to
you know and then blaming the person for
fighting back yeah yes uh talk to us
about the children you mentioned 2,000
innocent civilians were killed yeah more
than 2000 and and many of them majority
were children is that right many not
majority but many were children many
were many were children talk to us about
the um the the water situation the food
and the living um well in in an
agreement that was that that was sealed
by Israel the US and Egypt Gaza Strip
has been under a severe Siege so there's
already a severe shortage in water fit
for drinking nutrition and medicine this
is besides the attack this is was on a
regular basis on top of that on a
regular basis Israel has been attacking
Gaza for years now for decades actually
well and we see now for example there
have been heavy rains and so the place
is flooded so the UN is calling it a
disaster area when again and you wonder
why isn't Israel fixing this Israel has
a lot of money Gaza is right there
Israel has all the facilities the
medical facilities the engineering
capability it's a modern State and it's
allowing this catastrophe to continue
now you talk about children we cry for
the children and all the civilians that
that were murdered by
Israel um but think of the ones who have
not been killed things of think of think
of the ones that have been orphaned the
ones that are in that are in they have
been injured severely and have no family
they have no access to the L modern
medical facilities that exist in Israel
sometimes minutes away not even a flight
away minutes by car away but they have
no access to these so they are now in in
orphaned quite often injured severely
injured physically and psychologically
and nobody cares they're just they're
just left alone they're just left to be
you know um and this is a crime on top
of a crime the few children that are
allowed are permitted some how to go
into Israeli hospitals somebody has to
pay for Israel charges them in order to
take care of them it's this absurd
reality that it's almost hard to believe
it is so horrific um but there we have
it and like I said it was done in Prime
Time everybody saw this Americans are
paying for this not only in money but
also in arms America supports this uh
and keeps you know repeating this montra
that somehow Palestinians are Israel has
a right to defend itself against the
Palestinians though Palestinians have
never POS a threat um and this is this
is a horrifying reality that has to be
has you know has to be
stopped uh we see a lot of the um
bulldozing of of homes uh did you know
Rachel uh Corey uh she was also a peace
activist she was killed right yeah
protesting can you tell us what's going
on was it 25,000 homes have been
demolished why is this going
on well Israel is Israel has been
demolishing Palestinian homes you know
for decades this is nothing new
demolishing Palestinian homes either in
order to take the land or in order to
allow the army of freedom of movement
especially in the Gaza Strip where where
where where where there's such a where
the population density is so
high um the Israeli army goes there all
the time and and and and does operations
and so forth and so it's much easier if
you don't have homes to go in and
operate and do what you need to do for
the tanks and so forth uh Rachel Corey
stood in front of bulldozers that were
trying to destroy a home and she was
just run over this is uh going back
quite a few years now of course I know
her parents and and and and and they're
great activist and and spokes people for
the Palestinian cause um but but there's
nothing new about this in other words
all these different issues that we are
talking about today are part of a
greater problem none of these issues can
be resolved on its
own unless the entire thing is resolved
and that's why it's so important to undo
the myths and to connect everything back
to what happened in 1948 when the state
of is was established and recognized
that all of
Palestine is occupied and is now called
Israel the entire state of Israel is
occupied land all the Israeli cities and
towns that were built are illegal
settlements and there has to be a
movement similar to the movement that
existed in South Africa to replace this
very brutal racist colonialist regime
called the state of Israel with a
democracy where Israelis who are now you
know part of the PO part of the reality
there and Palestinians can live together
as equals in
peace yeah so I know this was a short
segment um there's a lot more to cover
uh just one last myth now uh many would
say that there was always this friction
between Jews and Christians but do we
see before um this uh was established
Muslim yeah I'm sorry Jews and Muslims
uh were they living in in peace with
each other before the this all this came
about well the experience of Jews and
Arab countries and Muslim countries was
very different from the experience that
Jews had in Christian in the Christian
world in the Christian World Jews were
persecuted and the Nazi Holocaust was
was a part of that but it certainly
wasn't the beginning and it and you know
this been was something that was part of
almost European tradition was to was was
uh was Jewish persecution this did not
exist in the Muslim World whenever Jews
were had to flee from Christian
countries they came and were welcomed in
in Arab countries and Muslim countries
um and the Middle East was a place of
Tolerance religious tolerance mostly
only since the establishment of the
state of Israel did this myth come up
and this friction come up between Jews
and
Muslims um but it's something that is
that was forced upon both Jews and
Muslims by Israel and by Zionist
ideology and we see this here in the US
today too the only reason there's this
islamophobia which is a real issue here
in America it's something that exists
this this this fear and this demonizing
of Muslims and Arabs is because of the
support for Israel and the the fact that
America has bought into the Zionist
narrative uh how can people if they want
to get a hold of you if they' like to
invite you out to speak more on this uh
to uh get your book watch your
presentations how can they uh get well
everything's on the everything's on the
internet the book is called the general
Sun journey of an Israeli in Palestine
it's available on Amazon or if they can
go to the generals sun.com or mop
pella.com and send me a message uh uh
they can write me an email nikell
gmail.com I'm always available always
happy to speak and um and discuss this
issue I really appreciate you taking the
time to be with us here on the dean show
I know it was a short amount of time but
uh hopefully people can uh get in
contact with you get your book and
invite you to speak either at a church
or mosque wherever you're open to go any
anywhere sure and people should come to
this uh conference here the conference
here in Chicago this weekend thank you
so much pleasure please be with you
thank you and thank you for tuning in to
the dean show that was the General son
giving you the facts not fiction and I
know this is a very sensitive topic for
many people but there is no
anti-Semitism going on here it just
education and we want the best for all
of mankind so from here you can go ahead
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