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i'mi I'd like to welcome you to our
Roundtable
discussion we have with us shik Hussein
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Malaysia alakim from jida Saudi Arabia
and she Sal Al from Abu Dhabi and the
United Arab Emirates I we like to talk
about our some of our experiences in
life Hussein and myself we accepted
Islam our other two brothers were born
as Muslims but we like to talk about
some of our experiences and maybe we can
start with you she Hussein how did you
accept Islam alhamdulillah
alhamdulillah with the will of Allah
subhanahu wa ta'ala we believe that all
of us was born as Muslim based on the
Hadith of the Prophet Salli wasallam of
course this belief the next exas when we
are not yet a Muslim because we did not
know anything about Islam based on
the the prophet said that every child is
born clean and Muslim is their parent
who would direct them to be a yah or
nasara or fire worshipper but
alhamdulillah
Allah brought me up from the Chinese
family and majority of the Chinese
family they are either taism or Buddhism
or some of them are Christian too so I
was moving from one to another from Tais
family I make a small Hijra to
Buddhism because I look in the Tais way
of life is nothing very spiritual it's
more of culture
tradition then I'm a guy who love to get
into this spiritual kind of thing when I
look into Buddhism I found that Buddhism
seems to have a lot of thing to do with
the inner self how about some spiritual
things that they always involved in when
it came to into budhism I found out that
at that point of time it helped me
because I always serve in the temple
because I like to spend my time in the
house of worship how old were you when
you I was around 14 15 around that age
alhamdulillah because I I used to mix
around with a lot of elderly people that
was my lifestyle when I was young
yeah I move around with the eldest I
hardly move with the same peers and so
on then I found out that I learned a lot
when I was in in a Buddhist temple about
you were with the monks yes I'm so
staying in the temple worshiping with
him yeah staying any sleeping there at
night yes yes I serve in the temple yeah
I like to serve in the temple but uh you
weren't going to school I used go to
school after that I come back to the
temple because my family seems to be
yeah very open you know it's up to you
what you think is good for you you just
do it then uh I found that there where I
also pick up something about the Chinese
kind of self-defense you know because
you do have this kind of exercise going
on in the Buddhist temple but later on I
found there's a lot of
D then the do in
Buddhism a lot of Dunes the no and the
Haram then the Halal they more Haram
than the Halal it didn't really fit me
actually maybe my f it didn't fit me
very well what were some of the things
that that you didn't like about I think
it's not that I don't like but it's I
think is is against my own F you know if
you want to be a true Buddhist I mean
you want the true Buddhist you are not
supposed to take any meat at all no
killing this not natural veget yeah no
killing at all right you are not
supposed to even dress nicely you got to
learn how to be humble MH you got to
learn how to back that mean he teaching
you to to be a person down cannot work
yeah cannot work you see so and you're
in a no marriage of course you don't
think of that you know you don't have to
keep your hair too you know just keep
your hair Bal but I went through for a
while based on after I become Muslim I
learned a lot you know from Buddhism
because he said what Allah said
you are not supposed to walk on the
earth of Allah with arrogant Pride so
this how when you're in the Buddhist
religion they'll teach you to walk
Barefoot so that you will not be proud
and arrogant so you could feel the pain
you know so you learn actually it's a
kind of a selflearning program but
because maybe against our fitra when we
young we see there's many that people
can enjoy and you are left behind no no
this one no keep yourself peace pure
keep yourself clean you know more on
the in the
Buddhism then uh one day I was looking
of my my sister my other sister they are
Stone Christians in my family they mixed
up you have TM you have Buddhist you
have Christian you have free thinker
everything is there it's a mixed family
so I just made another small Hijra again
to Christianity and I found that
Christian seems to be very practical you
just believe believe in Jesus and
everything is okay
alhamdulillah and uh there's a lot of
now there's just the opposite of
Buddhism Buddhism there's a lot of don't
then do now here you have a lot of do
then don't almost anything goes you know
as long as you believe in Jesus is your
savior so when I thought that
Christianity is a the teaching of Jesus
is good is true then it's my duty to
share with my friend and my colleague
that's why I enrolled myself in a
Christian Missionary School in Pang when
I was in the age of about 16 plus to
17 and uh to make sure that I understand
Christianity more so that I can start my
mission you to call people to
Christianity because if this is true you
know I want other people also to be part
of it and that's how when I went into
the missionary school I start to there's
a training missionary Center in in
panang Malaysia and then uh I found I
start to read now I start to go into the
Bible at first I just join them and uh
get along with the activities there's a
lot of social activities fun you know we
do enjoy of course we still in the
teenage you enjoy all this kind of
activities
until allahar then uh we start to learn
the Bible start to open the Bible now
then we came across a lot of verses
in some of the Gospel talking about
Jesus whether he is the real Father the
Son and the Holy Ghost or the Holy
Spirit and when he was crucified on the
cross and he cried out oh my Lord oh my
Lord why have you forsaken me now that
was strike me so I approached the father
and said please father I'm having some
doubts about the concept of Jesus Is God
can you please uh enlighten me and if in
in our experience most of the father
when you have this problem neither he
can explain to you because he's very
spiritual very abstract how to explain
about God you know so he said my son the
father used to call a son that's the
approach my son my father is Son and
father relationship so he said you know
my son you just got to have patient we
will pray that the holy spirit will come
into you and explain it to you so I was
wait waiting for for the Holy Spirit to
come but it didn't take place maybe it
came to other people but it didn't came
to me it came to people in
dreams but alhamdulillah Allah have his
own plan I believe in that I got to go
through all this and uh later on I start
to read I have a lot of Muslim friend
but the the the sad part is that none of
this Muslim people approach me and tell
me about Islam so actually really is
hiah from Allah you to be a Muslim
because we have a lot of Muslim from
from primary school to secondary school
but they just don't care about and not
making dawa there's no dawa in my
country at the time no dawa at all they
have a lot of activity just among
themselves the Muslim right but not
about talking Islam to the people who
are not yet Muslim so I read the book I
start to read the history of let me ask
you something about that because I also
live in Malaysia now and the sense that
I get is that the Chinese people aren't
terribly interested in hearing about it
I mean maybe it's just a false
impression but what would you say about
that in general the Chinese are very
easygoing people they don't care about
religion that much everything is D is
more money
survival but anything that do not make
life difficult for them they are they
okay with it they don't mind but
anything that is make their life
difficult even their own religion they
will just leave it they are easy people
they believe in life everything is here
so but maybe also you have some racial
sentiment in our country before maybe
one of the cause because in like in our
country majority of the Chinese thought
that Islam belong to the melee that's
why until today you have this kind of
Dogma that anybody become Muslim you
become a Malay a racial thing yeah yeah
it's a racial thing it so happened that
way in our country because when I first
become a Muslim when my mom said to me
you become a m I said no Mom I'm still
your boy I'm still a Chinese I cannot
change my race Allah forbid me you know
but I can change my belief but he she
said no no no no no I know that you are
M now no you're no more Chinese you see
you you eat like a Malay you dress like
a Malay so I
blame her because she's ignorant but
when I was moving with the Muslims went
into a village some old men saw me ah
when do you become a Malay they ask me
now it strike me again oh now the Muslim
is ask me when I become a
Malay so I think maybe my mom is
right even the Muslim is so confused
about the religion why maybe I do not
know maybe through through my own little
uh reseearch that I gone country in my
country because in the constitution of
our country Malaysia the definition of a
Malay is he must be a
Muslim so in a way it relate that Islam
and M is one synonymously are used yeah
no you don't have in another country you
don't have any constitution in the Arab
country that said that the definition of
Arab is a Muslim but you have it in our
country but anyhow for the Chinese they
alhamdulillah they easy going people as
long you don't disturb them you allow
them to do what they want to do
alhamdulillah mean when I become a
Muslim after reading the history
of I don't have you know that in
Malaysia sometime the Muslim don't even
allow you to hold the Quran because you
are not a Muslim even for themselves
they cannot just hold the Quran if they
are not having any Evolution or wo with
them there is what they believe their
respect to the Quran is mashallah but to
the extent we don't have the chance to
even read about the Quran so the only
thing we can read is other books this
what happened I come across the history
of
om who was one the enemy of Islam and
through the verses
ofah Allah open his become Muslim he
become the second the great companion of
Islam that strike me that is the the
thing that really moved me I see if this
Quran can change a person who was Once
Upon a Time the enemy of the Muslim to
the extent he had made the intention to
kill Prophet Muhammad with the Quran he
start to change I said this Quran must
be very powerful so I just yeah try my
luck actually have been a a non-muslim
you have been twiist Buddhist and
Christian are you think maybe this is
just another religion I just give a try
not really I believe in that because
nobody tell me about Islam and when I
first become a Muslim even when I want
to be a Muslim it's not easy at that
time in 1968 it's not like today you
have other organization helping revers
at that point of time people don't care
and people make it difficult it's so
difficult to be a Muslim at that point
of time I was shocked I thought that
Islam is so simple I just become it's
okay it's difficult something people are
not happy people asking the Muslims are
you sure you going be Muslim no then
your parent and so on I was shocked I
said yes I think it's okay my father is
no more alive at the time he pass away
in 1962 I become Muslim
1968 but
alhamdulillah I become Muslim to one of
the Imam of the Pakistani
Ms and one of the one who translate the
J book into M
language alamah he wasn't H he's a good
scholar though he brought me up he
taught me uh at that point my mother
have no knowledge that I become a Muslim
because I'm worried to hurt her feeling
you been I'm the youngest boy in the
family you know so I'm worried that I
hurt the feeling of my mom but my
sibling oh everybody is okay they very
open mind because all you have free
thinker there you have Buddhist there
you have Chinese everything goes so I
have no problem for my sibling only from
my mom I'm worry about her so I keep
myself in low profile and you know that
become a Muslim immediately after you
make shahada you got to go through for
this circumcision and all thisan kind of
thing there's a time I excuse myself I
said to my mom mom you don't I'm taking
a leave I want to visit my brothers in
other state I'll stay with you maybe two
3 weeks just know I do not want to
attract her attention where am I you
know after you have thean you have to
take a break rest for a while and you
cannot dress no more dress anymore you
wear a sarrow the kind of Mele dress I
was walking around in Camp in the
village suddenly there is some of my
family member passed through because
it's just in the main road The Village
they saw me so they went back inform my
mom say where is your son see my some
the brothers no I saw him here he
dressed like the M know what is
happening to your
son so then I was starting to learn
Quran read the reading the Quran from
one the Imam the local Imam in one of
the village in kakam it's called K makam
in Pang I was born in K but I was then I
migrate to Pang that's where I become a
Muslim when I was in Pang alhamdulillah
then suddenly my while while I was
reading the Quran the mom's house my
mother came and look for me he came to
the coffee stores ask you you see any
Chinese boy so they say yeah he's in the
imam's house so he just walk up the
house and the IM was shocked my mother
come with the sleeve sandal and so on
you know in Malay culture you don't
enter the house with the shoes or
sleeper you must put it down she's very
angry must be yeah she was shocked what
happened is it true that I become a
Muslim of because when she know that I
become Muslim she was very upset so what
happened to you you have so many
relative none of them become like you
you have been Charmed because the
Chinese family always feel that any
members of the family become Muslim
either you are Charmed or because of
something else majority believe that you
are Charmed by the Malay maybe they put
something your drink they put something
in their food now you forget who you are
now that is the the ideas because it's
so happen the M are very well known for
this kind of thing they are known for
that so I said no ma it's okay you don't
worry I'm I'm I'm I'm your son I'm so
Chinese you don't worry but this is very
strange for my interrupt the milans are
known for the this uh Charming people
yes yes this is blaspheming because this
we know that but to them is
common subh to them they said is it's
okay you can play with the good Gene to
fight against the bad
Gene how they they come across and that
but anyhow alhamdulillah later on I try
to prove to my mom you don't have to
worry I will be coming back to you no
this of course one of the thing that I I
believe that if we cannot show the a
good example of course they feel very
upset alhamdulillah maybe I got the
right advice from some scholar at the
point of time say You must go back to
your mom visit here visit her don't stay
away from her so I keept on going back
so how old were you now at this time 18
I was around 18 years old now
alhamdulillah then she start to cool
down she start to accept then I asked my
mom after some time do you prefer me
when I was not a Muslim or after I
become a Muslim because they know who am
I when I was not yet a Muslim they know
how W am I while I'm doing all this kind
of thing still I spend time to do
something
else
alhamdulillah uh she keep quiet she keep
quiet she know the difference now she
seen the difference in me the changes in
me she cannot make any comment on that
then slowly I show her the beauty of
Islam you know and then she start to
accept me all my sibling and then they
are proud now they very proud afterward
they I become a
Muslim even my relative are not happy
when they say no no no no you know he
pray five time a day you know he's
different he's
different alhamdulillah but what I'm
going to say is that I never thought
that I would have some bad experience
from Muslim after become a Muslim I'm
prepared to face the difficulty from the
not Muslim yeah but I was not prepared
to face that problem from the Muslim but
it really I have a bad time I have hard
time for more four years I have hard
time with fellow Muslim they don't even
honor me happy with my
conversion I don't like to stay in
anybody's house I don't to burden anyone
so I choose to stay in the MOs my mom
don't even know that I'm staying the M
where did she think you were staying I
said don't what say in a big
house yeah there's no small small house
for m is obvious big but I was sleeping
in the MOs just with the mat no no
mattress no more it's just the
t i happy I think you all agree with me
that these four years of suffering with
the so-called Muslims they're actually
not practicing Muslims if they're
dealing with magic they're definitely
not practicing Muslims otherwise you
would not have face any of those yeah I
think I don't blame them 100% after
after after we learn no I mean if you're
if you're staying in the Masid I mean to
say that there those people that he was
in contact with are non-practicing
Muslim I think that's a bit extreme um
but we all have but they don't know
Islam
definitely well I mean we all have no I
believe that they are good people
alhamdulillah you Malay people are very
soft people but the only thing is the
racial sentiment is still very strong M
since I'm not a Malay I'm still a
Chinese to them so maybe they have
always have some doubt whether I come to
Islam sincerely or me I have a hidden
agenda so they was very suspicious
exactly I don't to blame that actually I
I learned later on I start to understand
them better because the the worst part
they have gone through is I stay in the
mall I never expect that they would
chase me out from the mall
oh they chase me out they take my
belonging and throw it up I was very
upset I said this is not your house this
belong to Allah I have the right to be
here I become very Furious now sometime
they have their own people say oh this
is a troublemaker man this guy you know
he come to our area then he want to be
bossy he want to do what he like I say
show me give me a reason that I have no
right to stay
here I take care of the MOs I pray in
the M I clean the I'm the person who
like all this thing to do to serve
actually from before in the temple I
serve the temple but you have people who
don't even pray but they sleep in the
MOs you have people who smoke in the MOs
they segregated you from those no
together we in one place but they they
always expect that when you become a
convert of course you should be better
or you cannot be better than them either
you become better or you cannot be
better than them so I am the one is not
better than them I have patient with
when they chased me out I was very angry
I said to them I'm not going to take
this belonging out from this air I'm
going to leave it there because tomorrow
is jum I went to the public to know what
happened to me but you have some good
Brothers don't fight with these people
you better bring to my house put it in
my house it's okay no problem I said no
mind if this is what you advise me I'll
follow there's a hard time I've gone
through you know people don't feel happy
at the in the early of or late 60s it's
not like to today you people are still
very narrow-minded they're not open to
accept rever actually but alhamdulillah
I feel maybe Allah Kim when he want to
prepare us for something bigger he got
to test us we got to be trained know
this is a training process that's why
after this I thank Allah maybe at least
I've gone through all the Suffering The
difficult part at least people tell me a
b story okay okay God stay in the MOs
I've done done nothing wrong and they
are not happy they just not happy with
you and then when I heard one there's
one incident when I was talking to the
because you know when you become Muslim
you learn from this teacher and that
Imam few Imam so I confused this Imam
said a and the other another thing one
is the hanfi school the Sha school this
is a real problem yeah so I I was
shocked you have this problem in this
religion never mind so when I learned
from this side whatever learned when I
went to the second teacher I asked him
you know the first teacher told me it's
like this what do you say is that wrong
no he was very upset you know you know
you are here to learn from me you just
listen no question asked no so I was
caught in the in between now oh I cannot
ask if I ask that mean I can commit a
sin you know the Malay kind of teaching
at that time is when the teacher is
teaching you ask them you become like a
yood like how they ask more Moses about
the Bak oh yes so okay okay no more
asking if I ask I I become again out
from Islam but so I make Aion when I
come to you I'll follow you when go back
to the IM I follow the IM play safe I
like to no problem I was confused alhamd
but in the same time when after I become
Muslim I saw a lot of my my Muslim
friend now who don't pray aan is there
they still under the tree they're still
in the coffee shop until after aan after
the people come out from they're still
there so on and off I do trigger me for
a
while these people seems to be very
relaxed to be a Muslim I think maybe I
would like to join them
once sometime know but lucky because I
have a good environment that's I believe
what the prophet said
know you know you your lifestyle is
always your environment your friend
alhamdulillah keep on studying until
19872 when uh uh two German Brothers
mamad sidik and mad kames came to
Malaysia they are rever like us they are
more senior than me they were studying
in Medina and they came to look for a
wife it's what happened I was in the MOs
helping them guide them around and then
alhamdulillah they say if you want to
study is better come to Medina we
recommend you at the time Shin Bas was
the J so alhamdulillah I traveled to Med
and that's where I take up my Islamic
Studies but in general I I believe that
the people in my country now they have
changed a lot alhamdulillah because of
the exposure a lot of people have travel
overseas know mixing with a lot of other
Muslim not only M Muslim Arab and then
their mentality start to change at one
point I I still remember when I start to
learn about Islam then when I see some
of the Malay is not doing the right
thing I advise them oh they jump on me
they just jump on me then they start to
talk in the lecture in the lecture they
start to talk and criticize me he says
there's one Chinese man Chinese boy just
recently become Muslim and he want to
tell us the do and the tone you know
there's a pro said we eat yeah uh we eat
salt more than you eat
rice how can you tell us the do and
don't that mean I have no right to say
anything yeah to them because they are
born Muslim and I am a
reward that's why the term that they use
in my country a re is
saaru that means you are new brother you
are always new you cannot be old so
alhamdulillah I'm always young and new
alhamdulillah but I've noticed I've
noticed something I don't know if you
guys agree with me you know the truth
Seeker Salman Al may Allah be pleased
with him the companion of the prophet he
tried similar things and he faced
similar calamities going from being the
son of the fire worshipper uh a priest
going uh migrating to different
countries and being at the end of the
day sold like any slave and then coming
to Medina and finding Subhan Allah and
the second thing that I've noticed that
the transitional periods was about 2 to
3 years from two to three religions but
now he he's consistent now the past 40
years it's all in Islam and and we pray
to Allah that it continues to be this
which means that it he was selective he
had the chance to look into different
denominations and he was not forced to
pick one but the one he picked was to
him and of course to us was the one to
be picked which is natural which which
goes with his and with his human nature
yeah I would like just to add something
here
uh which is very true that Allah subhana
wa ta'ala the Creator he sees what is in
your heart we are really sincere and
looking for the truth he will guide you
no doubt yeah we believe in that now
that's so all those Seekers of Truth
they just have to be sincere they have
to remove all these prejudices and all
these preconceived notions from their
minds and really ask him sincerely from
the bottom of their heart and he will
guide them no doubt Beyond any doubt
they will be guided insh now the changes
is that I I've seen in my life yeah most
of my student back home Malaysia they
are
malays before no you cannot teach the
Malay you know even some Scholars so SCH
Scholars that I know we have been
together in the panel uh discussion on
and off sometime yeah maybe been a human
behind me they going to say what
happened to our M People there's not
enough M teacher to teach them they got
to learn from the Chinese Muslim
you know even scholar have that kind of
feeling old habits th heart Tak but you
know this is something uh when you read
the the early history of Islam there's
an incident where a scholar went to the
uh the Khalifa The ruler in Damascus and
he started asking the scholar who's the
leading scholar in this city who's the
leading scholar in that City and each
time he would ask after he he got his
name he would say is he an Arab or a
non-arab so each time he would say he a
non-arab finally we asked the the the
leading scholar in kufa he was in Arab
he said alhamdulillah yeah so there
that's what happened but uh then uh I
start to learn you know when I talk
about the truth dawa you need to have a
lot of patience know patient and will
also help you you to make people
understand because to gain that respect
from that Community you need to not have
a lot of patience to deal with them
alhamdulillah I think Allah have been
very kind to us because we we know that
when we become a Muslim and we know
Islam is H we know that Prophet is not a
prophet to just Arab or Malay where
before that we thought that Muhammad is
a a prophet to the Arabs you know but
now we know who now that he was s by
Allah like what Allah
said oh muham must say to mankind he is
a prophet yeah to all mankind to all
race and tribe and nation and also when
we start to read the Quran
Allah realan also is not a book only for
Muslim it's a Divine guidance For All
Mankind that alhamdulillah give me the
spirit now I know this is what Allah
said and this what the prophet
said is time for me it's time for me to
equip myself and it's time for me to
bring Islam and also bring Prophet
Muhammad out to the public and is my
duty now that's why I get involved in
that from day one when I knew that this
is what Islam is and Islam is a truth
and Prophet Muhammad is For All Mankind
Quran is for everybody I go all
out I start to and that also make other
people not happy because they thought
that they are born Muslim they should do
this by right they should carry out this
job but maybe you know Allah is the one
who give hi to whom he please so nobody
is doing da so I start to
move and alhamdulillah I found there's
no problem this is a from Allah I don't
have any problem making da to people who
are not yet Muslim in my country
sub yeah even when I travel the
Philippine anywhere in Southeast Asia I
have no problem talking the people who
are not yet Muslim they prepared to
listen they always there to discuss with
you they want some clarification
alhamdulillah and I think with Allah's
help thousand of people have become
Muslim to a little effort here and there
since the 70s every time when I have my
holiday from Medina I'll come back and
then I'll move with my teacher I have
another teacher who is very good in da
that is uh we we call
him he's still alive until today
alhamdulillah he's the one who was very
good in his da so I learned from him a
lot and I always travel with him when I
come back from from dinner when we have
a summer holiday so I travel with him I
serve him and then I pick up a lot of
his good slope of Da then I apply it in
my life when I mix around with my fellow
friends and also my
relative yeah alhamdulillah da with the
people I call them not yet Muslim
I want to feel them make them feel
closer if I say you are non muslim okay
I'm not Muslim nothing you have nothing
to do with me as it you're not yet
Muslim why you say I'm not yet Muslim
yeah one day you become Muslim ah you
have a intention you have hope a Target
say Yes Man you my brother I love you
that's my Approach that's why you see my
name card I always put brother who say
yeah I use the word brother I want
people to feel closer it's easy for me
to talk to them and say you are brother
my brother my sister I use that approach
you and I feel that alhamdulillah that
helped me a lot tell us about well
excuse me but the time is getting a
little bit
short I know that awesome doesn't like
to talk about his background so Sal
maybe you can tell us something about I
mean we heard that you you studied with
many scholars and how did that come
about ald
it is just the blessing of Allah subhana
tala from childhood I was alhamdulillah
praying and all these things and
uh like reading alhamdulillah I I you
know I am a bad one okay and they have
to take the our flock of sheep and to
for the graves and I'll be holding the
book and hey hey stoning the she and all
that yes alhamdulillah later on I
started
attending study circles the brothers and
uh uh I think it was in
the maybe 15 16 something like that and
uh of course you know that uh I think
this is a phase every
young uh person will pass through it you
know in the beginning when you start you
think as the our Scholars used to tell
they have mentioned the books they said
there are three spans you have to go
through them okay the first span just uh
you feel that you are are the most
knowledgeable person on Earth everyone
is ignorant and this is the very
dangerous phase really indeed you feel M
you are the only Al Lama you scholar and
that's very
dangerous and then the second phase
which is the second span where you start
oh to cool down a little bit start to
realize yourself you know your
shortcomings and your stupidity and all
that stuff and then third span will you
start laughing about over your past and
the silly things you were using before
that's why we want to share with our
brothers and sisters that we don't want
them to do what we uh we went through to
bypass the passes the face exactly
Subhan Allah so I remember now when I
recall these things I start laughing
really because I start immediately
giving talks in the Masid every prayer I
will stand
up preaching so the brothers they you
know they were raising me making me feel
Alama my head was getting you know
bigger and feeling mallah I am though I
am empty inside so of the mids where
there are Muslims may Allah guide all of
us and there are certain of course B
inovations and things like that so what
I did you not believe this I took all
the books their books and where they
have these mistakes and later on we
learned from the and the they say
the DI is just like the physician like
the doctor if you have a wound you don't
press the wound you will never find a
doctor when you go on you have deep
wound he will come and see how it does
it feel we just touching around it the
moment you say I oh sorry sorry you'll
be all right but the with lack of
knowledge you'll be ping the wounds of
the people and been pointing to their
mistakes and and you expect them to
accept you so I took all the books and
put them on a table in the Masid and I
think it was after Isa
and they stood up
toen what do you think of someone saying
this and this and this and uh the people
say is nonsense but then I will say this
is there in this book of Imam so and
so and the people they didn't like it
told
so and there was you know torial in the
mass and noises and all these things
another incident I recall that uh I was
in Cemetery in the cemetery there was a
funeral procession and uh you know they
there is a b there where they have to go
through certain rituals and which are
not from the Sunnah definitely when they
were started saying these things so I
said you should not say these things
guess what happened we said marry him
along with that one
Subhan Allah then later on Subhan Allah
when they didn't uh nobody made a move
to actually toss you in the pit you see
Subhan Allah the people they were you
know emotionally moved and affected by
the death of this uh loved one and you
come and you start to them talking
nonsense to them at from their
perspective wrong time Subhan Allah then
when I read the Hadith of the Prophet
Sall wasall when he passed by the grave
and the woman was weeping he said fear
Allah he said
go you don't feel what I'm going through
the prophet wasallam never say anything
after that so the scholars they
commented because he
felt said something else maybe this will
she will say
something and the Shan there you are
very vulnerable you know so there is a
chance so the prophet kept quiet then he
left and the people told her what what
did you do this is the prophet of Allah
said oh my God she came to apologize you
know that so that means when people are
under such circumstances so the dawa
needs but this only through the
knowledge you will get it without the
knowledge you will not get that at all
the hik the hikma and uh the dawa then
we started with our
tribe we they going to soothsayers and
divers and uh many things you all were
out in the desert or what you see no
it's not in the desert but these things
have carried on from the past so people
they they have attachment to these
things and unfortunately even some whom
they call them Scholars or people of
knowledge they uh they tell them this
it's okay if it is from the Quran or if
it you understand yeah so when you
started talking to this thing to them
little by little alhamdulillah later on
after years it's not there anymore it's
gone but it will not happen overnight
and you don't expect people to just you
present them the H they will accept it
because we are not better than the
prophets whom Allah sent and no one
believed them but you had to F tune your
way of Da yeah definitely so this I
think I mean this is why I'm mentioning
these things so we don't want our you
know young brothers and sisters you know
to to repeat these things yes they
that's why you need to go with the and
the scholars who will really bring you
cool you down because the scholar they
say da it needs that enthusiasm of the
youth but also it needs the wisdom of
the elders so these two things they go
two things they go reminds me of being
hot blooded sometimes have a very
negative impact for example in the
Battle of it it was the Hot Blooded
people guys who forced in a way the
prophet to go out of Medina to fight and
that what caused the calamities and and
and the crisis that took place in in the
Battle of because of they were hot
blooded and they full of enthusiasm but
this backfired this is a great lesson to
learn from yeah so you need that's what
schol us really and this is I appeal to
every Muslim our young brothers and
sisters that we have to sit on our knees
and we have to come down to earth and we
have to listen to our mash and have to
listen to our Scholars because they know
what's right you see the and the scholar
is at that broader Vision he sees things
and he weighs brones and cons well the
let the young brother or sister they
just look through the Magic Eye and they
think this is it so the may Allah
subh your English is really fluent uh
tell us how did you learn English I
learned my English at home because
alhamdulillah I was just like reading so
alhamdulillah so you never went to no no
but I studied everything in English you
know because uh I studied engineering so
everything was in English
alhamdulillah and now we are using this
English inshallah
too so you tell us about yourself now
well in 3 minutes or less yeah I was uh
born in Afghanistan my father is afani
my mother's American and uh my father
was sent to America by the Afghan
government scholarship to study in the
1930s oh and uh he met my mother and he
married her and uh so they ended up
going back to Afghanistan this was in
1945 and my sister my brother and I were
born there a Muslim my father was a
Muslim my mother nominally accepted
Islam when she went back to Afghanistan
but she never practiced
and she I don't think she ever read the
Quran her entire understanding of Islam
is what she saw of the Muslim what they
did and uh it didn't impress her so she
never accepted Islam when my sister was
18 she was ready to go to college then
my mother wanted her to study in us go
to college in us and so we ended up
moving to the US and after some time my
father and mother separated my father
went back to
Afghanistan and my mother who was she
really didn't have any religion said the
Shah she said it but you know she uh she
didn't really believe it something that
you know when when they came in the door
you know after this long journey by ship
and then by bus from Pakistan from
Karachi by bus all the way to C anyway
they walk in the house and all the
relatives are there and my father had
told her you know they're they'll expect
you to say this so she said those words
so they were cool but uh she didn't
really believe it but I ended up
traveling across the world when I was 22
and uh on people just inviting me to
Islam everywhere I went so finally I
bought myself a translation of Quran and
uh started to read that and then I I met
a Muslim who was really uh you know he'd
made a lot of sacrifice for the sake of
dawa and he was very friendly and
hospitable invited me for tea and we sat
and talked and uh so I was really uh
impressed with that and I I ended up uh
accepting Islam really I think like
husin uh let me check this out you and
uh I checked it out and uh then I ended
up staying in Pakistan for a year and uh
it was by reading the Quran continuing
to read the Quran uh reading about the
prophet Muhammad s his life kind of
person he was reading about the sahaba
how Islam changed their lives and uh the
fourth major issue was reading this book
by Maurice bu Quran and modern science
how old were you Dad uh I was
22 and I turned 23 while I was there so
those things cemented my faith you know
and and also you know seeing so many
good Muslims there because there are a
lot of people in Pakistan that really
sticking to Islam so uh in a nutshell
that's how I accepted Islam I think
we're out of time now I thank the
viewers for your patience and uh hope to
see you again