Unbelievable. Did you just see that? Let
me make this clear. Just like President
Trump, I support Israel because I don't
want a bunch of little terrorists with
up beards and ugly haircuts that bow
down to a stupid rock. Mhm. Killing a
bunch of people if they don't convert to
Islam. I really like these Haj twins,
you know.
Yeah. Let's start the show. We got a
good show for y'all today, man. You
know, they put out some good material.
You know what I'm saying? That big hard
neck with that big old hard Adams up on
that just throws everything off. So they
start shaving down faces and necks.
That's crazy. And you go through all
that, you still ain't no woman. All of
them are Christian, right? Can we say
they represent Christianity? No,
absolutely. But I was really surprised
at this guest that they just had on. I
agree with them because Islam is not
compatible with humanity. And we're
going to go through some of the some of
the just insane asinine things that she
said. Bomb them all. So you want all
Muslims killed? No. Well, and not just
with anybody. I'm talking about my next
guest who actually led Bible study
groups. My next guest who was being
trained to be a pastor in the ministry
uh 40 years of his father, Pastor uh Bob
and his uh wife also in the church
training him and he's here on the Dean
show. So we're going to address this
hodge podge guest. hodge podge full of
podge what she's coming out of her mouth
and and have empathy and some sympathy
for people who they just been programmed
to hate. So we're going to teach them
how to love when we get the truth out
there with my next guest here on the
Dean Show.
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Asalamikum. Asalam. How are you doing?
I'm doing great. Alhamdulillah. Uh, so
we're going to be talking about your
story. You're just the right fit because
this guest that they had on, she's
Puerto Ric. I I you've heard her name,
right? Latin Gomez. Latin. It's a Latin
name. So, you're Latin. She's Latin. You
think that's she's Puerto Rican also? I
believe so. Yeah, it sounds like it.
Let's go through this and then also
we're going to talk about your amazing
story. You are being trained to be a
pastor. I did. Yeah, I wanted to be a
pastor. She's Christian also. She's
Christian as well. The hodgepodge guys,
they're also Christian. Yes. You guys
got to watch this story, man. Yeah. You
got to listen to this story. This is
amazing. Let's listen to her. It's hard
to listen to her. It's a hard listen.
Yeah. I haven't heard that before until
Yeah. But it's it's hard. All right.
Let's listen to this and then uh we'll
I'll uh we'll dissect it, refute it, and
uh hopefully bring the truth out through
your story, your journey. Alhamdulillah.
Yeah. And let me make this clear. Just
like President Trump, I support Israel
because I don't want a bunch of little
terrorists with beards and ugly
haircuts that bow down to a stupid rock.
Mhm. Killing a bunch of people if they
don't convert to Islam. Even China
declared Islam a mental illness, guys.
And for the first time, I agree with
them because Islam is not compatible
with humanity. They're an aggressive and
violent um religion. And if you really
want my honest opinion, I'd say bomb
every terrorist across the world. Bomb
them all. So you want all Muslims
killed? No. Well, no, no, no. Absolutely
not. Well, the Muslims Muslims want us
killed. That's what it says on the
Quran. On their Quran, you go to Surah
5, Zorah 8, Zorah 12. That's exactly
what it says in the Quran. The Bible
doesn't say kill the people if they
don't convert to Christianity. The Quran
specifically specifically says, "Instill
terror in the hearts of the
disbelievers." Right? It's not a
peaceful religion. You're supposed to be
killing people if they don't believe in
in your God, in that little rock of
yours. Otherwise, you're an apostate.
That's the difference. You know, I think
right away, I mean, uh, nobody wants to
be labeled a liar. She's lying. There's
a lot of um mis just straight out blunt
blatant lies that if she just sat with
someone of knowledge. If the hodgepodge
twins brought on a scholar, a somebody
who's an academic, this would all be
very easy to refute. Now, you're not a
scholar in Islam, but you're actually
somebody who's studying to be a
Christian pastor and now you accepted
Islam recently. I mean, obviously, if
Islam taught this, you wouldn't be here
and sharing your story. Absolutely not.
Absolutely not. Well, first thing, first
thing I refute is she said they have
effed up haircuts and beards. I mean,
I'm I'm pretty smooth, bro. This is I
mean, I'm faded up. I'm looking smooth.
Jesus had a beard. Jesus had a haircut.
What's What's with the haircut? I mean,
I I got I got a nice fade going on. I
don't know what you're talking about.
And the beard's clean. Um, so,
alhamdulillah, I I there's there's a lot
of misconceptions. I am a a Puerto
Rican. I'm New York Rican born uh in New
York to to to my my mother is Puerto
Rican. My father's Puerto Rican.
Um, it's it's a hard watch, I'll tell
you. And and I feel that if Christians,
you said, you know, if they sat down and
talked to someone, they may have a
different view. What she's talking about
is what the media narrative that's being
driven, right? That they that these
terrorists all want everyone dead. And
she's quoted, she she put a couple of
suras out there. I mean, I could say the
same thing about Christianity. Again, in
Matthew 10, chapter 10, Jesus says, "I
have not come to bring peace. I've come
to bring a sword." That verse can be
easily you know attributed to if you
don't come to bring peace and you come
to bring a sword or what are you
promoting that's a religion of violence
so someone could say Christianity is a
religion of violence in the history of
Christianity the crusades they basically
said you convert or die by the sword so
this is not history the history of
Christianity we don't have that there's
no uh accept Islam or die by the sword
you don't have that in Islam absolutely
not it's actually the reverse what I was
what I was saying is I it took me about
10 years before I actually said my
shahada because I was struggling with
what would my mom think. You you did
mention my my dad was a pastor. My mom
was a youth minister. My parents were in
the ministry for over 40 years. It was
something where, you know, I have no
Muslim friends. I have no Muslim family.
I would be the first Muslim. What would
my mom think? Right? What would So, I
went into it a little a little bit
hesitant and and I sought out
information. If it was uh a religion of
um like you're saying by the sword, it's
actually the exact opposite. When anyone
does da'wah and you're trying to
minister to someone and you're trying to
lead them to Islam, if someone's curious
and asks questions and they want to say
the shahada, the statement of faith,
right, the when you accept
Islam and what you're saying is I bear
witness there is no god or deity worthy
of worship but Allah and I bear witness
that Muhammad was a prophet of Allah. So
before someone says that as a Muslim,
you ask them, "No one's forcing you to
do this, right? You're not compelled to
do this." You actually ask their, you
know, consent to say, "Hey, no one's
forced you to do this. No one, you know,
has made you come here. You're doing it
on your own free will." So it's the
exact opposite. There is no sword. There
is no do this or die. That whole thing
is foreign. And it's a it's a narrative
that the media drives. If you talk to a
Muslim, if you spend time with a Muslim,
you will see the exact opposite. The
more I went to the masid, the brothers
were kind to me. It was, you know, this
was my first Ramadan. I'm a new rever
like you said last August, right? My
first Ramadan. I go to the masid and
I've never I I fasted because I was fat.
I lost some weight. Alhamdulillah. I was
a fat guy. I lost some weight. But um I
never fasted for Ramadan. So I went all
day. I go to the masjid to break ifar
and they're serving. They have food. So
I think I'm standing in line to get food
and they say, "No, brother. Brother, go
sit. Sit. Sit down." I'm like, "Why?"
The brothers were waiting in line. There
were brothers waiting in line, younger
brothers waiting in line to grab plates
of food, not to eat for themselves, but
to serve
others. They were so kind and so
thoughtful. They told me to sit down.
And what they do? They brought me a
plate of food. So if someone would take
the time to sit down, like you said, if
they would sit down with a scholar or
even a layman, you know, I'm not an
imam, you're not an imam, but we but you
you would give someone a image of Islam
that the media does not show and it
would be a difference where they would
say, "Wow, brother Eddie's really kind.
He he's accepted me in. He he's treated,
you know, you told I mean, this is my
first time here. It's amazing that this
facility the the dean center here that
you guys have. It's beautiful and and so
what's your impression? You got to see
the uh the whole uh mah this is
impressive. It's beautiful. It's
beautiful. May Allah subhana put baraka
and acceptance and all your work. This
is wonderful. Wallah I understand. Is
this the first interview that you've
done at the studio? Uh uh no we when it
wasn't um set up like this we were we
were you know we always working. We're
trying to this is beautiful. It was one
of the first one of the first.
Alhamdulillah. No it was wonderful. May
Allah subh accept and I look forward to
to helping out more in any way that I
can and and inshall we can we can do
good things for the Yeah. I'd like to
have you guys come out also do some
educational da training here at the dean
center because now you got to see it
firsthand and uh I'm glad we got do some
work together. May Allah bless you.
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Inshallah it it's it reaches a lot of
people. But co coincidentally my parents
actually served on the pastorial staff
at this church. This used to be a
church. Pastor Roger was the pastor. My
dad's the drummer. He played the drums.
And my mom, they were actually pastors
in this actual facility that we're in.
Yeah. Yeah. Amazing. It's amazing. And
uh if anybody now visits like she I mean
you try not you you take this in it's
just very if you want to talk about
toxic you know this energy this negative
energy this is this is something that
you hear this and you can't help but
just as a Muslim you know and we don't
want Muslims to um naturally you get
angry you hear this stuff but uh I tried
to just look at myself and just see what
where she's coming from. Is she really
that extremely ignorant or she that in
herself full of this hate that now she's
has such a dark heart that she's
projecting this outside uh try to give
people a benefit of doubt but she's been
t because I've talked to conservative
Christians I've talked to people uh I
won't say any name but one who's one of
the top conservative Christians in
America and he was like after talking to
him he was like Eddie I've been taught
to hate Islam I've been taught to hate
uh your this religion but he knew
nothing about it right like she doesn't
know anything about Islam She's been
programmed, right? So, okay, so I'm
going to have some some sympathy there
and be like, "Hold on." But, uh, now if
if she continues on this trajectory, I
mean, this is just a way of
self-destruction. She's going to implode
from within. She's going to just be
miserable. She might die of cancer. You
know what I mean? The stress that is
causing her this hate, right? Uh, but if
you look at, for instance, let's get
back to um uh the Quran. She just threw
some some chapters from the Quran. But
if you just take one one verse from the
Quran, chapter 60, chapter 60, she can
look this up. The haj twins and any
Christian in verse 8, it says, "Allah,
God, the creator." And Jesus actually
called on God by the name Allah, the
same name Allah. Allah does not forbid
you from dealing kindly and justly with
those who have not fought you because of
religion or driven you out of your
homes. Um, this is Allah loves the just.
Allah loves those who are uh who who are
just, right? So, it's not uh just to
just, you know, kill innocent human
beings. And there there's the the um the
charter of of war, right? The u before
the Geneva Convention, you have Prophet
Muhammad who who laid it out. You cannot
kill innocent men, women, children,
non-combatants. In war, there's rules of
engagement. Correct? So, this is very
clear in Islam. Right. But now if you
want to throw back because she's
throwing stones out of a glass half. You
now you're very familiar with the Bible.
You gave one verse, but you do have
explicit verses in in the Bible that
talk about Samuel 1:15 going to this to
the town and killed men, women,
children. Can you expound on that? And
there's so like you said, someone can
pull a verse out and and and have it
drive a narrative, right? Um, I mean
there's there's a pretty awful verse in
Deuteronomy. I don't know the exact
chapter, but it deals with uh if if
you're home and a burglar breaks into
your home and you're struggling with him
and your wife goes to protect you and
she grabs the burglar by his private
area, you're commanded to cut her hand
off. It's actually in the Bible that
that verse is in the Bible. So again,
that doesn't sound like uh I mean, it's
it's pretty rough, but so you could pick
out she's picking out little things, but
she's not using I don't typically like
to do that. I don't like to insult
Christians. I don't like to insult the
hodgepodge guys seem like nice guys. Uh
but they're bringing on this individual
who just insulted two billion human
beings Muslim without you know any push
back and that's why we're pushing back
and inviting them to bring on a Muslim
scholar to bring on people who are
educated who can they can ask those
tough questions. Absolutely. But you got
someone ignorant like this and what
happens is other people other Christian
others will go ahead and listen to this
and this can lead people to I mean leads
people to hate Muslims and then cause
violence. Absolutely. And the thing is
is that it's very dangerous. It's it's
extremely dangerous. And what what it is
is if you look at the media, right, and
you look at the narratives whenever
something and and no one's condoning
let's let's just let's put that out
there, right? We're not condoning any of
these bad acts, right? Uh I mean
everybody says, you know, this is this
is not Islam. This these are not
Muslims. Just because someone says
they're a Muslim, they're not truly a
Muslim. In the in the Quran, it says if
you kill one person unjustly, one
person, it's like you killed all of
humanity. Chapter 5:32. It's the same
sin as like if you actually dropped a
nuclear bomb and killed the whole world.
There's nothing else like that in any
scriptures. Nothing. And then saving one
innocent lives is as if you save the
world. All humanity. Find me that. Find
me that in the Bible. Find me any any
verse uh any scripture out there.
Nothing like that. when Christians
commit atrocities and and I say
Christians loosely because I truly feel
in my heart the better Christian you
become the more it leads you to Islam.
Statement. So so what I what I mean by
that is you you know you could say um
you know and you remember in the '9s
they had the Oklahoma bombing Timothy
McVey. He was a Christian but where was
the Christian terrorist? He killed a lot
of people. That was a horrible thing.
Now again, this is not something that
any Christian would condone, right? This
is an act. So we look at things that
people attribute to Islam which are not
Muslims. They are not Muslims. They did
they're they're doing things that they
say are in the name of God, but they're
not. Absolutely not. If you look at when
we pray when we pray the the the uh
first thing we say
is that's God is the most merciful a God
of mercy and we we say that
again this God of mercy would we would a
God of mercy command you to kill
innocents to kill women and children to
murder people it's not in Islam it's
against Islam It's not what is taught. I
I
I had an experience when I was a very
young boy. My you mentioned my my my
father, my stepfather was a pastor, but
he raised me since I was 7 years old.
When I was a young boy, his mom, my my
grandmother, married a man from
Pakistan. His name is Bill Al. Grandpa
Bill I used to call him. He was a
Muslim. He was a Muslim. So my first
exposure, my first introduction to Islam
at all was a kind man from Pakistan who
came into my home and treated me kindly.
So when I was in my early 20s and I saw
9/11 happen and people are like, "Oh,
these terrorists, they're horrible. This
this that I was like, you know, I knew a
Muslim when I was a little boy. He was
kind to me. He was a man of peace. He
was the most kindest, gentlest man I
ever encountered. And I remember him
having a lot of respect for my
stepfather when they were debating about
religion, Christianity and Islam. And he
never insulted him. He never got mad. He
never said anything negative. How is
that? She said her statement was kill
them all. Who define all? So you're
saying she saying he said and the guy
even asked her the haj twin asked her
they figured it out. They're like you're
you want to kill all Muslims? Like are
you are you serious right now? That's
what the hodgepodge guy said. He asked
her that right? He asked her that do you
really want to kill all Muslims? like
and then she kind of backed he was
laughing about it but that's what she
insinuated she insinuated she kind of
backed off said oh no a terrorist okay
well explain to me when you have
Palestinians who are being bombed every
day and killed um and you have medics
coming in ambulances wearing medical
vests in ambulances marked the red
crescent they don't have the red cross
they had the red crescent they come in
and they're being shot and killed and
blown up when they're trying to help
children How how how are those
terrorists? How are those military
combatants? Like you said, there's rules
of engagement. There's war. We if if
it's a if if there's a war and there's
two sides and and there are rules of
engagement, then it is what it is. But
women and children, medics who are
trying to save lives, how how is that
how do people look at that and say, "Oh,
it's okay." You got doctors who are
actually testifying that they're seeing
bullet holes and skulls and chests of
little children, kids. Yeah. So, how do
you as a children I mean as she opened
up as saying I support you know this
this uh this terrorist um state that's
doing all these things and but she's
supposed to be a Christian who follows
supposedly Jesus the prince of peace. So
the whole constant uh theme is love,
love, love. But where's the love here?
When you're talking about right now just
annihilating uh pretty much she under
the disguise of terrorists. Exactly. But
she's really insinuating kill all
Muslims. I mean when Jesus Jesus came
with a message, right? And he said
what's the greatest commandment? See
people when you when you ask a Christian
what's the greatest commandment? They'll
say oh the golden rule do unto others as
you have them do unto you. That's
actually the second. The first one is
love God with all your heart, all your
soul, all your mind. He taught tahhed.
He taught the oneness of God. To worship
God alone was the greatest commandment.
And you can look this up. You can look
in the Bible. Take out your phone,
Google. What was the greatest
commandment? Jesus said, "Love God with
all your heart, all your soul, all your
mind." That blows my mind when you ask
now where's this love towards your
Muslim because we're Muslims are not
going anywhere and Muslims are fabric of
the society. So now, how do you someone
who's she's I think she's running for a
Congress position or your constituents
Muslim. How how are you with this type
of hate? And you say, see, these are
people who they hide behind the the mask
of, yeah, we're conservative, we're
Christian, we love Jesus, but they have
no connection to Jesus at all. It's
actually it's a when you say that, it's
actually boggles my mind because when
you talk about um so she's running for
Congress, right? So she's running as a
Republican conservative.
Do you know her constituents are more
more likely to be, you know, Muslims are
more likely to be conservative because
we our beliefs align more with a
Republican view with the with the view
of, you know, family, with the view of,
you know, um we we don't believe that,
you know, God created us as as men and
women and and we don't believe in all
these other things. Um these are the
Republicans are driving this the these
narratives. they she's actually pushing
away a big constituency because a lot of
people who Muslims would vote
for Republicans
more than Democrats because you know why
our belief system aligns better with
that if they were true Christians. But
now, see, we want the we want the the
hodge Christians and the other
Christians to, you know, isolate these
people and to either they got to come
around, you know, and come to some sort
of reality or get out of this, you know,
hate bubble. Um, and because what this
is what's happening now, Muslims feel
like you get a Republican in there and
now they want to kill them. They want to
they want to annihilate Muslims like
this. This is this is this is the ISIS
of uh this is the ISIS of uh
Christianity. This is the This is the
the Puerto Rican KKK. Yeah, exactly. I
mean, what she's saying? She's saying
kill them all. Well, well, wait a
second. You I'm I'm Americanborn and I'm
a Muslim. So, you want to kill me, too?
Imagine if she said that, just turn
around and she insinuated anything
against uh people who were um which you
actually This is another amazing part of
your story. You were uh Jewish at one
time. So, Jewish kind of. So, I was it
was what was called So, I I was born in
Jews for Jesus. Jews for Jesus. They're
Messianic Jews. So, imagine if she says
something against the uh Jewish people
like this. You can't you can't say
anything. If you say anything, what's
what's what's insane to me is if you say
anything derogatory towards Jewish,
you're considered an anti-semite. And
and and they they'll they'll take
they'll ban you off of TikTok. They'll
they'll take down your page. And and no
one's and here's the thing. And Muslims
haven't had a problem with and that's a
whole different topic. I mean, when
Muslims rule the golden age, they don't
have a problem with Jews. Muslims and
Muslims took care saved the Jews. Saved
them during World War II. They offered
them they they Turkey took them in.
Bosnia took them in. Albania took them.
Everyone took them. They took them in
because rabbis confessed it. I've had
rabbis on the program say, "Muslims save
the Jews. They saved us. We owe them."
What did the Quran say? It says people
of the book. The Christians and the Jews
are our brothers and sisters. We We
don't They're people of the book. We're
allowed to marry them. We They are
They're the closest. They should be the
closest to us. But that's why I said the
better Christian you become, the more I
feel it leads you to Islam. Because
becoming Jewish is not an easy thing,
right? You can't just walk into a
synagogue and say, "Hey, I want to sign
up." There's a process that was part of
your that was part of your journey also.
Now, so from a pastor's uh son, uh being
trained to be a pastor to actually going
towards the was it Messianic Masonic
Jews? It was they're called they're
called Messianic Messianic. messianic
Jews. And so basically they're they're
they're Christians. They're Christians,
but they are Christians with a Jewish
background, Jewish heritage. Most of
them are reverts or not they don't call
them reverts. They call them converts
from from conventional Judaism to
Christianity. So they keep the Jewish
traditions. They celebrate Passover.
They celebrate Hanukkah. Um but
everybody's allowed just like
Christians, you're welcome to come join
up. Let me hear some of your Hebrew. You
were saying something earlier. Yeah, cuz
it was funny. a brother, one of the
brothers at the masid is is a a Jewish
revert. Uh Yakub, I think you actually
you've met him brother. So he he's a
he's a he was born Jewish and he he grew
up Jewish. He did his bar mitzvah. He
went through the whole thing and and
he's Muslim. He accepted and he's
Muslim. He accepted Islam. So I was
talking to him. I was, you know, joking
with him. I was like, you know, I went
to Hebrew school. He looked at me like,
what? You're Puerto Rican. What do you
mean you went to Hebrew school? I said
it was Messianic. And we were learning,
you know, Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus,
Numbers, Deuteronomy, and that's the
Torah. It's like a little song we sung
in Sunday school. And I said, uh, I even
know how to pray. Bar Adonai Elohim. He
was like, and he was, he goes, you can
speak Hebrew. And and it's it's almost
the same thing we say in Islam is is is
basically, you know, you're saying that
there the God God is, you know, worthy
of worship. And and so it's it he was he
was kind of stunned that that I could
speak it. You know, I was I was speaking
Hebrew. So you obviously did your
homework just like this brother that you
just mentioned also did their homework.
You would not come to a way of life that
was promoting what this lady's talking
about. You also have, you know, social
experiments that they've done. They've
actually read certain verses from books
and they say, "What do you think this
is? Is this the Bible or the Quran?"
People are like, "No, no, that's the
Quran." Because people been programmed
to think Islam, the Quran is so violent.
But then they were like, "No, no, these
verses that we're quoting in the social
experiment, no, they're actually from
the Bible." Right? And it's been
concluded. It is a fact that actually
the Bible is more violent than the
Quran. If you want to go down that
route, if you want to go down that
route, again,
um any scripture, any verse can be taken
out of context and used as you know to
you can play this game. Yeah, we're we
like again I said Jesus in Matthew, I
think it's Matthew 10, he said, "I have
not come to bring peace but a sword."
So, you know, you could you could easily
do play that game back and forth like
you said in Samuel there in the Old
Testament. There's some really rough
stuff in the Old Testament. If you have,
if you want to stay with the New
Testament, uh he said, "Of my enemies
who wish that I not not reign over them,
bring them before me." This is uh Jesus,
"And slay them." Right? So, if you don't
accept, she also talked about those um
there's also verses in the Bible that
talk about those who worship other gods,
rightize gods, right? What to do with
them, death penalty. This is all there.
So, she's a liberal Christian. She's not
really a Christian or at all. and she's
out here throwing stones from a glass
house. She's spewing lies. She's saying
that Muslims bow down to a box in the
desert. What do you think about that?
That, you know, Mecca is actually
mentioned in the Bible. It's mentioned
as Allah talks about Becca and Becca is
also the name of uh Mecca in the Bible.
It's there. Yeah. Well, it it my
understanding is that's where Abraham
went and first house of worship built by
God and he struck the rock and the rock
had water and still to this day there's
still water coming out of that rock. So,
no one prays to a rock. So, just to
clarify if you pray. No, we don't pray
to anything. Even uh you know in in my
in my apartment I have um I have a an
area of my of my house where it had
shelving and before I reverted I had a
whole bar put in. I I I had LED lights
and lighting and and shelving and I put
all this this stuff up. Uh I two weeks
later I said my shahada. I haven't had a
single drink, alhamdulillah, since I
reverted to Islam. But I converted that
area, right? I took all that stuff out,
took all the alcohol out, threw it all
out. And I converted it to a little
corner and I pray because it's actually
faces Mecca, that corner. But the things
that I put there, I put little signs
like inshallah, alhamdulillah, um you
know, little shrubbery. And I I have,
you know, some books. I I've built a
little library in that corner. The thing
is, and I tell people cuz I put it on my
TikTok and people are like, "Oh, that's
so cool." You know, the transition like
before Islam, after Islam. And I said,
"But here's the thing. Be very clear.
I'm not praying to anything there."
There, you know, you've got, you know,
there's decorations here. We don't pray
to anything but God. God alone is the
only thing worthy of worship. There's
nothing that is at his level. It's God
and God alone. There's nothing else that
we pray to. I mean, this is tohi. This
is that pure absolute monotheism. And if
you're worshiping anything other than
God, if you're worshiping Jesus,
Muhammad, if you're worshiping uh
anything in creation, that's how you go
to the hellfire. Correct? So, this is
something that draws people to Islam.
Correct. This is what people love about
Islam that you're not creation
worshshiping. You're worshiping the
creator, the creator of Jesus. Actually,
I think the Hajbot twins and anybody
who's sincere, I like what you said. The
more you are actually going in and
understanding Christianity, it brings
you what you say to Islam. I think the
better the better Christian you are, the
more it leads you to Islam. But most of
these people, they don't even read the
Bible. What's your experience? You said
they go, the pastor gives them two
verses and they run with it and that's
it. It's like the Bible is something
that they really don't have no clue
about. If you read the Bible, if you
take out your Bible, uh read uh
Proverbs, uh I think it's chapter 3 5
and 6, I believe it says, "Trust in the
Lord with all your heart and lean not on
your own understanding. Submit to him in
all your ways and he will direct your
path." He will direct your path. Is that
not what we say in our prayers? Is
exactly what we say. Say, "Guide us to
the straight path." So it's saying,
"Trust in the Lord with all your heart.
Submit to him in all your ways and he
will direct your path." That's directly
what we pray. And when you look at all
the prophets, peace be upon all of them,
Jesus and Muhammad, when you look at the
messages of the prophets and you say,
how do you test a prophet? How do you
know that a prophet is giving you a
message? Right? Does it align with the
message from the previous prophet? So if
we read the message of Jesus, if and if
you don't look at the message of Paul,
if you look at the message of Jesus, if
you take the Bible and we both know,
look, the Bible has been translated into
how many languages? Revision after
revision after revision. The they didn't
even figure out that Jesus was God until
325 years after his death in the council
of Nika, which this is the thing I say
things, you know, people are watching,
whatever. Take out your phone. We all
have phones. Take out your phone. Google
council of Nika. Where was Nika? It was
in Greece. The council of Nika, the
Nyine creed was in Greece. What do Greek
people believe? They believe in Zeus.
They believe in Poseidon. They believe
in children of gods, these half-god men.
So there's a lot of added things. Uh the
Bible itself, the Council of Trent is
what actually established the canon of
the Bible and said, "These are the
verses we're going to put in. These are
the verses we're going to leave out." Do
you know there's books of the Bible that
they found in the Dead Sea Scrolls that
have been taken out of the Bible that
say Jesus wasn't crucified? So if you
could see why that would be something
they wouldn't want in the Bible. But if
you read Jesus's words and you see what
he said and he said when someone said,
"Master, master, you are good." He said,
"Why? No, there's no good in me only in
the one who sent me." You know, in in uh
in uh John, I think it's chapter 14, he
says, this is a this is a scripture that
a lot of Christians quote, and as soon
as I say it, you're going to recognize
it. He says, "I am the way, the truth,
and the life. No one comes to the father
but by me." Right? And so, if you're
doing da Christians going to refute you,
and they're going to say, "Hey, hey, no,
no, no. Jesus said, "He is the way, the
truth, and the life. No one comes to the
father but by him." I said, "Okay, wait
a second. Wait a second. Pause." Jesus
said, "I am the way, the truth, and the
life. No one comes to
me father. He didn't say no one comes to
me. He said no one comes to father. So
he is telling you in that verse I am a
messenger. If you f I am the way. This
is the way. He is a prophet. I am the
way. This is the way to the father.
That's not to me. He doesn't say to me
you're a father. I'm a father.
Alhamdulillah. We, you know, we have
beautiful children and may God protect
and bless them. You go to my son, you go
to my daughter, and you say, "Uh,
where's your dad?" Well, they know where
I'm at. They have my location. They can
look on their on their phone, right?
Apple Maps, right? Oh, I know where my
dad's at. And they can lead you to me.
But are they me? There's a difference.
They're not me. So, if you look at that
verse and you dissect that actual verse,
it's a John 14:6, I believe. You have to
check. But if you look, it says Jesus
says, "I am the way, truth, and the
life. No one comes to the father but by
me. He's not saying he is God. He
actually refuted any time in the Bible
when anyone gave him praise. He said no
no it's not me. It's the one who sent
me. And this is the continuation to the
last and fundamental prophet Muhammad
peace and blessings be upon him who was
a brother to Jesus to Abraham to Moses.
They all came with the same consistent
message what we're talking about here.
Worship the creator not the creation.
Correct. Don't worship Jesus. Worship
the God of Jesus. He prayed to God.
Who's he praying to? Himself. who's
praying to the one above the creation,
the creator of the heavens and earth.
And that's the message of Islam that
resonates with so many people. It just
makes sense. So, we invite this uh this
uh lady uh who's um I don't I has this
hate man. It's simmering. Islam, she
said, Islam is not compatible with
humanity. You're a living testimony that
it is. uh Malcolm X when he went to
Mecca and he came back and he said no he
wrote a letter from there saying that
Islam is the answer to the race problem
in America people are experiencing this
they're changed your parents tell me
this now your parents now at first
obviously people they think um because
they've been programmed like this uh
lady has and many people that oh Islam
associated with uh backwardness with all
these negative things but now your
parents are seeing the progress that
they wanted to see and other things.
Share that with us before we conclude
and now they're actually curious more
about Islam because it's made you a
better well a better a better human
being. One of my biggest reservations so
I I actually received a copy of the
Quran from a co-orker of mine um over 10
years ago almost 15 years ago. It took
me about 10 years to actually say my
shahada. Why? You know what was one of
my biggest fears? That would break my
mother's heart. that my mother would be
upset because my parents are such good
Christians, right? That she would be
upset that I am no longer a Christian.
I'm a Muslim. And the exact opposite's
happened. My mom's proud of me. I called
her yesterday and um she's very proud of
me because they see exactly what you
said. They see the change in me that
I've haven't really lived my life as a
righteous man prior to Islam. And I and
I've made a lot of mistakes. And I don't
care to brag about them. I'm just saying
that that when I said my shahada and I
realized that every bad thing I've ever
done has been wiped away and is now good
deed. That was such a profound effect on
me because I had because having not
lived my life as a really a righteous
person to have it all wiped away made me
say I kind of got a doover. I got a
restart at this. You know, I got another
chance this time. I'm going to do my
best to live righteous, to be a good
person. And the change that's happened
in me has caused my mom and my dad to
just be like, "Wow, you are a lot
different in every aspect of your life."
It's not just the things I give up, the
drinking, smoking, all these things that
you know, here's the thing, people. And
and I I tell you this from a person who
who I I've been through hurt. I've been
through pain. I've I've had ups and
downs in life. When we go through pain
and we go through hurt, the only cure
for it is Allah subhana wa ta'ala. The
only cure, the only way, the only
solace, the only place of refuge is in
God. But hiding the hurt and in drugs
and alcohol, it's temporary, right? It
makes you forget. You go out for the
night, you know, I had a bad day at
work. Things were terrible. You know, I
I got into a fight with my wife. What
does your friend say? Hey, man. Let's go
have some beers. Let's go have some
beers, right? Why? because you're going
to drink yourself into forgetting about
this. Does that cure your problems? No.
It actually gives you more problems
because you know what happens if you go
to that bar and you get in the car and
you don't Uber home and you drive. Now
you're looking at a $15,000 DUI. You've
got more problems than you went into it.
But if you get home safely, you've done
what? You've just paused everything
you're going through to deal with it the
next day. And then it's rinse, repeat,
do it again, do it again. The change in
me was profound. I found Islam to be,
you said the the race thing, right? And
and you're right, Malcolm X went to
Mecca and he came back changed. In my
experience, I I I've gone to the
masid. I you just said, you know, it was
curious about uh her background and my
background. We're both Puerto Rican. Uh
at least I believe it. She's it's a
Latin name. I I believe she is Puerto
Rican. When I went to the masid, no one
said, "Where are you from?" No one said,
"Oh, you're the Puerto Rican guy." No
one said any of that. I prayed. It was
my first Ramadan. Alhamdulillah. Uh, and
I prayed every night, Isa and Tarawi,
with two brothers that we don't look
alike. We don't come from the same
place. And I didn't even know where they
were from until one of the brothers
said, "Hey, I want to take a selfie
towards the end of Ramadan." Cuz we
prayed together every night. And um,
he's Gujarat Indian, his background, and
the other brother's from Sudan. So, we
don't look alike and we don't have the
same backgrounds, but we're all
brothers. And I didn't even know, I
think, to ask where they were from until
he took the selfie and he posted on his
social media and said, uh, he said,
"Where where could you have a Sudanese,
an Indian, and a Puerto Rican all
praying together as brothers only in
Islam?" And it's true. It's true. Islam
is the cure for racism because everyone
is brother and sister. We don't look at
where you come from. You know another
thing when I was Christian um it's it's
it's always about like you know what do
you do how much money do you make where
this this that it's you know elevate
this that in Islam no one ever asked me
I'm blessed alhamdulillah I make great
money I'm I have I have my children are
taken care of things are I'm blessed and
it's all thanks to God right so if I
acknowledge Allah subhana wa ta'ala and
say that my blessings everything that I
have is not because I'm so great right
it's because I say no it's been a
blessing cuz tomorrow it could be gone
gone. Tomorrow it can be gone. But the
ability to pay my bills and the ability
to take care of my children and the
ability to have things in this life is
all blessings from God because
everything in this life is temporary.
Look at my shirt. It says dean over
dunya. It means I'm trying to live my
dean. I'm trying to submit myself and
live my life as a righteous man over the
things of this world. And this is coming
from someone who was being trained one-
on-one training to be a pastor with
other pastors with your not just your
father but you were telling me the other
pastor who was sitting with you
preparing you to be out there to
minister to be a pastor and you've done
your research and now you're someone
who's accepted Islam. You would not have
accepted Islam come all this way if this
was not the way that finally after
experimenting and going through all the
different religions even became an
agnostic at one point you're like you
know
the hell with all of this and now you
know from following your desires to
finally coming to and I from my
experience interviewing so many people I
feel that this is what God almighty
Allah has people do that he has them go
through this journey and then finally
when they experience Islam they're like
this is indeed the truth and that's what
we invite her and the hodgepodge twins
and other conservative Christians,
whoever, just sincere, sincerely sit,
visit, eat, break bread with Muslims,
come to the mosque and ask your
questions. I want to I want to um just
end with this. I want to show you
because you have the KKK, you have the
Lord's resistant army, you have all
these different extremist groups. you
know, they did a study that that um
357% I believe Muslim, anyone who's
linked to Islam gets that much more
coverage
if there's somehow if they can connect
them. Maybe he just kind of, you know,
had a friend that was Mus something and
then he's has an Arabic name, the press
hits it almost 400% times more. So
that's why now you're seeing all this
sensationalism and everything is pushed
out. So you might or you might have
somebody who's legitimately an extreme
individual, right? But we don't take
them and showcase them as if these are
the exemplary charact the they represent
Islam the same way. Let's look at this
video here because this is also in the
Latin country here and notice what the
you're going to see above these people's
graves now and if how fair would it be
we say no let's take these people as
exemplary Christians who we're looking
at in these videos. Take a look. We've
been to some crazy places before but
this has to be up there as one of the
craziest. Do you notice cemetery? Do you
notice all these are all mausoleum with
crosses dedicated to cartel bosses? This
is in Mexico. I've seen all of them are
Christian houses. Can we say they
represent Christianity? No, absolutely
not. They're beheading people.
They're butcher. They're doing all the
most evil things you can do, but at the
end, y they're Christian. They'll
probably kill you if you say they were
not Christian. Yeah. I mean, I actually
I've seen this. I've seen this uh I've
seen this video and yeah, I mean you
look at these mausoleums that that that
they like look at the amount of money
the cartel makes. So much money they
don't even know what to do with it.
Yeah. It's insane that they they've put
places of burial, you're right, with
crosses right above them and they have
not lived their life as good Christians.
I bet you some of them can quote they
can quote some scripture. Absolutely.
Yeah, I bet you a lot of them have
tattoos of crosses and you know and and
and they wear crosschain as they go
murder people. Yeah. You know
government. Yeah. It's it's a it's
amazing. It's amazing. One of the things
you know again would that be fair? I
mean absolutely it's fair because you
look at it and you say you say okay look
um Muslims are portrayed as a certain
view. Okay. But then you have someone
like me. Okay. I was searching Islam and
I'm looking at social media and going
through these things and as a Puerto
Rican, I see a Puerto Rican imam on my
Tik Tok feed and I'm looking at it and
I'm like, what? I this guy's he's I was
born in Brooklyn. This guy's from
Brooklyn. I'm from Brooklyn. His is
namely imam Wesley Lebron. Yeah. Reverts
Reconnect out of Brooklyn. And um
there's another brother, brother Tim,
that is also uh with Imam Wesley. These
guys are Puerto Rican guys from Brooklyn
where I'm from. and I see them and I'm
like, "Wow, they're they're like me." I
mean, so so it's it's all about our
view. And you and the thing is the
narrative is being driven is these that
Muslims are different that they're that
they're these like she's saying the they
don't have these crazy haircut effed up
beards that she's saying, bro. I mean, I
don't know if you've heard the the
sound. There's a sound that says, uh,
I'm not alkar boom. I am alkbar Akbar
cute. There's a sound. It's like, no,
we're not. We're not what you're She
hasn't been herself. Go deeper. Go see
some of these redneck hillbillies and
the kind of beards they got or the
Harley's Angels and all these other
people who've got all sorts of And
that's the thing. She's she's got this
negative bias. But you know what,
sister? I guarantee you if there's
places in the South that she would go
that they wouldn't be too kind to her
just because of the way she looks or her
accent or the fact that she has a Latin
name. That's a whole different uh
conversation. Who who wouldn't be kind
to her if she went down to this country
that she's talking about and tried to
preach the Bible, which they actually
tried to outlaw, right? Recently,
Israeli Channel 13 reporter Yosi Ellie
went undercover as a priest for a day.
Dressed in a robe, he walked through the
old city with Franciscan father Alberto.
In the first five minutes, he was spat
at five times by Orthodox Jewish
Israelis. of a surprising report from
Israel today where officials are taking
seriously a recent upsurge in spitting
and hitting attacks on clergy and the
vandalism of Christian sites. The
command to wipe out from among all the
descendants of
Asov, descendants of Amalik, male and
female, young and old. And that is why
Amalik is so terrible and it has to be
totally uprooted. Therefore, God tells
us we should erase their memory and we
should eradicate them from the face of
the earth. Who is Amalik? Amalik comes
from Asov. Asov was a brother to Jacob.
Asov who in modern day terms is really
basically uh you know u certainly one of
them is is is
America. As became Edin which is a
nation. Edwin became Rome. Instead of it
being
Rome, it became Christianity.
Christianity of course ultimately became
western civilization. So as of today is
really western civilization. But the new
Rome, the United States, but the new
Rome Asov is Europe. The United States,
the throne of God is incomplete until we
destroy our Malik. Any nation that has
that religion can be considered a self.
the audacity, the to destroy a Malik and
to cut
off the offsprings of the nation of a
Malik then uh how Jesus has such a uh
you say one negative thing about Jesus
peace be upon him in Islam that can land
you into hellfire. Yeah. So, uh, uh, the
brother that you mentioned, Imam Wesley,
I always, um, mention his story that his
father when he was, his father was
asked, "What did you think about your
son accepting Islam?" Knowing the kind
of past he had, Wesley, similar to yours
and mine and his father said, "I can
sleep at night now." Right? I can, he
wasn't all the ruckus that he was
causing, right? His father was just
going nuts, his family. But now his
father said, "I can sleep well at night
because of Islam." Because of Islam. My
my biggest fear again of my breaking my
mother's heart. And again, this is my
first Ramadan. Do you know for Eid and I
can and you can even I gave you guys a
picture. I don't know if you could put
it in the in the YouTube. They my family
came with me for Eid and I bought
everybody. I bought my mom an abaya. I
bought uh her hijab. My daughter came.
She wore an Abby hijab. My my my stepdad
came. Uh he had a th and a kufi. The
pastor. The pastor. The pastor. Yeah. Uh
and my friend had
had iaya and hijab. They all came to
support me. They all came to support me.
They all came. None of them are Muslim
yet. Inshallah they will be. Uh but they
all came to support me. And and you know
when I reverted and and revert is is the
term we use. We don't use convert
because we believe that all are born
there's this thing that you're born with
it's called fra right it's the innate
desire to worship God and that's why I
say Christians the better Christian they
become the the more it leads them to
Islam is because there are Christians
out there who truly do have fra they
have the innate desire to worship God
and they just don't know how to do it
right and we're born with this desire to
worship God this desire to submit to God
and I encourage people like you're
saying just seek out a Muslim and that's
why it's important for me you know I I
got asked to do this I said I would
happily do this you know why because if
my face if one person watching says you
know what that brother is like me and
and and and I'm curious now to learn
more about Islam my thing is I seek seek
out you know Google your closest masid
Google uh you know some like these
reverts reconnect uh this mass NYC I
mean we're in Florida but they have a an
outreach and they do dawa there's a lot
of Um, you know, if you go on Tik Tok,
if you go on Instagram, there's people
out there, there's a message out there.
Learn to put a different face to it.
Don't go by this hate. Don't go by this
the the the propaganda, what the media
is telling you. Do your own research.
And and that's the one thing that that I
struggle with Christianity is whenever
you have a question, the answer is just
believe. Just have faith, brother. Just
believe. Just believe. Right? It's never
um trying to tell people to educate
themselves. In Islam, it's like no,
research, research, read it, read it,
test it. There is truth in the Quran.
This message is the same message that's
come from all the prophets, peace be
upon all of them. And that's how you
test the message of the prophets is you
say, does it align with the previous
one. You know, the message of Jesus
aligned with Yaya, John the Baptist,
Yaya, right? Dawood, David, Noah,
Abraham, Moses, Adam, peace be upon all
of them. They all had one message, one
God, one alone. He's the only one worthy
of worship. There's no one on there's no
one equal. It's God and God alone. When
I became Muslim, like you were saying,
the most amazing thing the my um I I go
to the Islamic Center for Ellis County.
Um and my imam Shik Sad he told me the
night I reverted um he said all my good
deeds, all my bad deeds have become good
deeds. But he also told me cuz I said so
now when I sin, who do I go to? He goes,
you know, you don't come confess your
sins to me. And and and in in in
Catholicism, you know, I was I was
baptized Catholic. So you mentioned the
the Jewish the Messianic Jews. I was
baptized Catholic. I then went to
Messianic church and then I grew up
Pentecostal.
And in Pentecostals, uh there they have
what they call accountability partners.
They have like a brother that you'll go
to and say, "I did this sin. I did that
sin." And in Islam, I I, you know, I
talk to my brothers and they're like,
"Hey, hey, hey, hey, if you've committed
a sin, I I don't want to hear about it."
Like, what? Why? Because I don't need to
hear about it. It's between you and God
alone. And my imam told me, "When you
sin, you pray to God. We don't need an
intermediary." You know, in the old
school days, you you they pick up the
phone, right, in the in the 30s, right?
And they'd pick up the phone and they'd
be like, "Poperator, how can I help
you?" And you'd say, "I want you to
talk. I want to talk to Brother Eddie."
And they'd put me through to your phone.
Um, there was an intermediary. There was
something you had to get to to get to
you. I didn't know where you were, but
they had to take the switch and they had
to plug it in here. And now I could pick
up my phone. I could FaceTime you and we
could have a face tof face conversation.
That's what Islam is. Islam is facetime.
And Christianity to me is plugging
operator operator operator. I don't need
to go to anyone. My imam is is is a
great man. I respect him. I I he has
he's accepted me. He's treated me
kindly. I have his phone number. I can
text him if I have any questions. if if
there's anything I need, he's there. But
you know what? He's just a man. He's a
servant of Allah. And he told me, "You
don't pray to me. We don't pray to the
the prophets. We respect all the
prophets equally." Peace be upon all
them. But we only pray to God alone. And
your sins are between you and God. And
you seek forgiveness between you and
God. That was the most amazing thing to
me. Living a life of, you know,
Pentecostals, they believe um in
backsliding. I don't know if you ever
heard of that term. What's it called?
Backsliding. Backsliding. What does that
So what backslider is um there's
different different sects of
Christianity. Baptists believe once
saved always saved. So once you dedicate
your heart to Jesus, you're saved by
grace. And then you basically got a get
out of jail free card. No matter what
sins you do, like you're saying these
cartel guys, right, with these crosses,
no matter what sin you do, you're saved
by grace you're in. Pentecostals believe
that uh you can become a Christian, give
your heart to Jesus, right? But then you
sin during the week and you've
backsliden because you're committing
sins. You know this is this is a so the
next Sunday you have to raise your hand
again and say, "Oh, I I've sinned." And
you got to go up front again and give
your heart back to Jesus. Every single
Sunday I was doing that. I was doing
that every single Sunday. Every single
Sunday. And it was it was like what is
this? So now I don't have that burden
that that of of course I'm not going to
live a perfect life, right? Of course
I'm going to make mistakes and sin. God
knows that. He knows that. He knew that.
You know, there's in the Bible there's a
verse that says uh before you were born,
uh you were fearfully and created and
and created. I knew you in the womb.
It's also in the Quran. It's in the
Bible and it's in the Quran. The same
thing. Before you were born, I knew you.
Allah subhana wa ta'ala knew us in the
womb and he knew that there was a plan
and a and a path for our life that the
the Quran says Allah guides whom he
wills that from the
day I was born Allah knew that I would
become Muslim and subhan Allah I am and
all I can say is I'm thankful
alhamdulillah that he spared me to that
I can come to the point where all the
sins that I committed and things that I
have done that have been washed away and
no longer uh bad deeds have all been
made good deeds. And when I said the
shahada, I had that such a profound
thing that changed me. Um all I can do
is say I'm grateful and and I'm blessed.
And you know, it's it's a blessing to be
here with you. Thank you for having me.
Uh I'm I'm going to Dearborn this week
and and and spending time with a
co-orker of mine. He was instrumental in
leading me to Islam. Just the way he
lived his life as a righteous man. Uh
because a lot of Muslims they meet me,
I'm very charismatic, right? I'm very
energetic. I'm I'm an outgoing guy. And
they're like, "Oh, I love hearing your
story." Brothers were brought brought to
tears and they they're emotional. I say,
"You know what? I have the same awe of
Muslims who were born Muslim and have
lived their life and and staying true to
the dean and living as righteous men and
saying their salah to be almost 40 years
old and saying, "I never miss a salah.
I've got my prayer rug with me and if if
I'm out I I put it down and I pray when
you know my I get my notification it's
time to pray. It's time to pray. I look
at that like man I aspire to be like
that.
That and again the Muslims are very
humble. They don't like to say it's not
me. You know like you you you lead
someone and do dawa and and someone says
a shahada. You don't say okay that's me.
I'm you know brother Eddie. He's he's
elevating himself. No no no. Allah
subhana wa ta'ala is the only one. and
you you know you'd be happy to lead
someone, but it's not like you're going
to take credit. So the the the brother I
work with, I won't even say his name cuz
he would be upset cuz he'd be like, "Oh,
he's don't I don't want credit. I don't
want credit." But he showed me an
example of a righteous man who again
like you're saying like if this sister
would meet a Muslim and meet someone who
could just show you the kindness. All he
did was just talk about his life. Tell
me how he he loves his wife. He loves
his children. He's lived his life as a
good man. He showed me kindness. And I
said after 10 years of before, you know,
searching Islam, I said, "There's
something to this. I want to find out
more about this." And that's why I
encourage whoever views this is to do
your research. Don't believe the media
narrative. Take a little bit of time,
check it out, and see what the true
Islam is, the true religion of being a
Muslim, what it truly means. The thing
about the baby also captivated you,
didn't it? You were talking about how
you were when you were being trained to
be a pastor, someone came to you and
they were talking about the the baby
now. And then the baptized, if you're
not baptized, the baby's not baptized,
the ba the baby actually will go to
hell. So yeah, contrast to Islam that
all babies are not born with original
sin there. Everyone is born what we call
original goodness. Correct. With a fresh
clean slate. When you get to a certain
age, maturity, puberty, then you have
the angels writing the good deeds and
the one writing the bad deeds. Correct?
But you are not born with the stigma,
with this stain of any kind of blemish
that you have nothing to do with. Right.
Well, the the way I figured that out was
um when I became Muslim, I said I
converted. And people are saying, "No,
you reverted." I'm like, "What do you
mean I I reverted?" Uh I was I've never
I was never Muslim before they said,
"Yes, you were." When when you were born
because Muslims believe that when we're
born, we are submitting to Allah. There
you're a baby. You're sinless. You
haven't done anything wrong. Right?
when I was I was born uh and I was
baptized Catholic. Okay. When my son was
born, we baptized him Catholic. Why?
Because Catholics believe that if a baby
dies before you baptize that they're
born with original sin and they would go
to hell, which is totally absurd, right?
So to hear that when I became Muslim and
they said, "No, when you revert, you're
you you're going back to when you were
born that you're sinless and and you're
in submission to God." It brought me
back to what caused me to have such a um
a challenge with my faith as a Christian
because yes, I was uh in my young 20s.
Uh there was a a a big mega church
actually here. Uh I mean, very local to
where we are now. Um, and they had an
assistant pastor at the time and I was
leading a Bible study in his home of
young married couples in their 20s and
30s and there was actually a couple who
had lost their child. Their their their
their baby had passed. Um, and I'm
teaching a message on why do good things
I mean why do bad things happen to good
people, right? And I'm looking at this
couple. I'm like here I am trying to say
this message of why do bad things happen
to good people and bad things do happen.
Right? As a Muslim, we have to have 100%
submission and 100% faith in Allah
subhana wa ta'ala that everything is by
his decree and we are going to go
through challenges in life and there's
horrible things that people go through
and there's our brothers and sisters
right now in Palestine. You know, my
daughter saw a video on TikTok of a
father who lost his son and he was
holding him and he still had faith. He
still had faith when he he he lost his
his his son a little boy six years old
he's holding him and it was during
Ramadan and they said to him you know he
said alhamdulillah because he went to
Jenna and it's and she saw that it was
like she got emotional and started
crying because she's like how could
someone's faith be so strong that at the
point when they actually lost a child
they still are acknowledging God. Um, so
when I was leading this uh Bible study
in my early 20s, I'm doing the research
and trying to figure out why do bad
things happen to good people. And the
only thing I came up with was original
sin. Because of Adam and Eve, now for
all of humanity, all of generations, we
are destined to go to hell because of
this original sin unless we convert. I I
it it was just it was it was foreign
that we supposed to go through all the
horrible things because of original sin
because of that something that happened
thousands of years ago. I mean you and I
h have made mistakes in our life. We've
sinned in our life. Would our children
be responsible for that? No. If if if I
went out and I I murdered someone, would
my children be responsible for that? No.
You you can't you can't hold someone
else accountable for your deeds, right?
We are all going to face judgment and
when we face judgment only Allah can
judge us. Absolutely. So this is
uh a
great inspirational story. I've gotten
to benefit a lot. It really increases me
also when I hear stories like this. I
mean this is the mercy of God almighty
Allah guiding people like yourself. you
know, going through all the different
experiences and then bringing them now
so we can go ahead and see how powerful
the truth is. And and it's very sad to
see people like her and others who, you
know, we want the best for and we're
inviting them. Come sit with us, talk
with us. We invite the hodgepodge to we
can make the connections that he can
invite on credible people. But are you
really just looking to insult? Are you
looking to do better for humanity, for
society, you know, developing
understanding? We can understand each
other, talk with each other, or you're
promoting, you know, a different agenda.
That's because that's what these things
do. They divide and they divide us. They
create this fear, this hate, and it
leads to violence. So, what are you
trying to do? Are you trying to be on
the side of evil? Are you trying to be
on the side of good? We're trying to be
on that side of good. At the end, we can
agree to disagree, but we got to live on
this earth together. Correct. Correct.
And you don't have to follow our way. We
don't have to follow yours. It's a clear
verse in the Quran. It's in the Quran.
To your be your way to our be our way.
But we can agree on some things that a
man is a man, a woman is a woman. Like
the Hajbah, they talk about those
things. We can agree that all human life
is precious. We can agree that there's
certain things in this world that are
unjust. we can stand on certain common
grounds that we can work together, but
we're not working together with people
like this who are in just insane. So,
we're trying to call them out of the
insanity. Hopefully, this story benefits
not just the hodge podge guys, but that
guest and again, our door is open. We
like to give you a free copy of the
Quran to read this book that changed
this former P man who was studying to be
a pastor. It comes from a pastor's
family and read it for yourself. You can
go to the deansshow.com. You'll get a
copy, a gift from me to you. Free.
Absolutely free. Thank you very much,
brother. Thank you for having me.
That's the greeting of Jesus. Peace be
with you as you know. Yeah, exactly. So,
go to the deanshow.com. We'll get you a
free copy of the Quran.