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Minister and somebody also who is on the
ground hearing a lot about the firsthand
accounts of a lot of the islamophobic
rhetoric that's happening and the harm
that's coming to the communities in
Texas he has a great story for us to
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youum so who I ur ur ur ra Marine Corp
Ur H is what army army what's different
h r sounds like H it's the same but the
Marines are better than the Army always
have been yeah so you were a former
Marine former Marine yes yeah and now
some of the things you sold out man you
became a Muslim you one of them no I've
been called a traditor I I had a when I
was a a new Muslim I had a friend of
mine that I I used to talk to and he
actually called me a traitor after
became a Muslim now how the heck I was
going to say how the hell how how heck
to call you a Trader Trader to what what
because if somebody drives Honda is he a
Trader to the US or Toyota well I mean
doesn't matter it's a better car right
see you understand this but most people
don't he thought that it made me one of
those you know Al-Qaeda you know Bad
Guys by becoming a Muslim he didn't he
didn't understand what Islam means and
that those people are not true Muslims
even though they call themselves Muslims
all right but let's hold up you know
there there are in the news you know
people who maybe had briani with a
Muslim maybe he's Muslim not whatever
the case and uh and you have some
Muslims who who have some extreme dream
ideas uh what do you got to say about
that you know part of Islam is
moderation and our brothers who are
brothers in Islam it's up to us it's our
duty as I hate this term moderate
Muslims either you're a Muslim or you're
not if you're not
inherent then you're not but it's our
it's our duty to take the guys who have
aberant views and bring them back into
the fold of Islam we don't reject them
just out of ignorance or unkindness but
it's all up to all Muslims to get those
people who might be a little out the
fringes and educate them make yeah so
our our our thing is to to help uh
everybody be on that moderate of course
but we're not modified Muslims exactly
right totally agree so Islam condemns
all acts of violence definitely and you
now actually got to see this coming from
a background first before you even got
to see this of a Methodist your father
was a pastor yeah my father wasth pastor
and I was a Methodist minister at one
point my life Wow amazing what what how
tell us about that oh wow uh you know
Young brother grew up in the church
mother was very active in the church you
know I I felt that calling you know from
God one day you know went down got
baptized and stuff and I had that gift
that God had given me to speak to people
and so I started uh learning I went to a
we call it training school in the
Methodist Church you know to a college
learn how to be a pastor a k like we do
in our religion and and know started
standing in front of the congregation
and you know giving the word to people
Jes living their life yeah Jesus Jesus
saves exactly that was the model now we
love I mean when I say that I mean look
every messenger that the Creator sent
including Jesus he was sent to save
people from the Hellfire correct we love
Isam yeah now you said Esau I mean this
he never I mean obviously spoke English
English language didn't exist so he
wouldn't know the term uh uh Jesus
correct so in in Aramaic or in a semetic
language it would be Esau all right so
the same Jesus Jesus yes yeah uh tell us
so you were but but there's a difference
between the save from the Islamic
perspective and the yes from the uh
explain that to our
audience in Christianity they believe
that if you believe in uh the Savior
Jesus that you're washing his blood uh
and if you believe in him all your sins
are forgiven it's the theory of
intercession that there's someone
between you and God that can by his
deeds wash away all your
sins and so by believing in Jesus and
living as Jesus would at that point you
have uh the ability to go to heaven now
were you telling people look if you
don't accept Jesus as your lord and
savior you're going to go to Hellfire
you know in the master church we that's
one thing we don't really say but it's
it's an unspoken thing you know they
tell you the right way and they say the
other way is the wrong way and you know
what the consequences are mhm so it's
not so blatant as you know you know some
people say hey if you don't believe in
Jesus You're Going To Burn yeah not not
that
blatant what the people know they know
that you in Jesus know Jesus is the way
the light the truth those sort of thing
and the opposite is hell yes uh now how
you your family also your dad your
father was probably you know very elated
to see you coming and following his
footsteps cuz he was u a minister before
you yeah he I come from a family of
ministers uncles family your whole
family is UNC I have uncles several that
were very well known on the Baptist side
of uh of ministry than my father you
know were you related to tdj
no not at all no not at all you know TD
J yeah I know who TD Jak is yes he's
real big in that part of the country
yeah were you like preaching with him no
no no just you know some the the uh path
I was from in the Christian church is
called Christian Methodist Episcopal
yeah it's related to the old am African
Methodist Episcopal Church changed the
African the Christian as they got more
modernized and it's a
very moderate Rand of Christianity if
you want to say of anything it's not
very it's not like you know the Baptist
you know Hellfire and Damnation that s
of thing but it's not very Lial either
it's kind of that middle middle ground
so all right we're going to take a break
and we got a lot more to talk about very
interesting uh individual with an
interesting story don't go anywhere we
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now welcome back to the dean show and
very interesting story so your whole
family
are preachers yeah uncles couple cousins
you know Minister ministers and Farmers
what we were ministers and what Farmers
what Farmers Farmers yep raising cattle
you know growing stuff that's like good
old boy now I mean Small Town East Texas
yeah so I mean uh usually you think of
some of these rural areas and you got
like KKK out there and uh you know
that's some interesting story about that
my mother was the first black teacher in
all white school district yeah yeah she
has her own whole story wow this is
amazing it was is the kind of place I
don't know if you know Texas all uh the
town next to us the biggest town was
called Greenville Texas and they were
famous for a long time having a sign on
the highway that said the uh blackest
land the whitest people so that was kind
of the I mean even when I was a little
kid we still had the colored in white
water fountains you know black people
went in the back door white people in
the front door that sort of thing so
we're going to get to that uh before we
um get to that tell us I mean father
uncles ministers preachers how do you
what what were you going to say no I
grew up in the church and I had you know
like any child that grows up in a church
you have a certain view of how it's
supposed to be
and you know it's a very pure and
innocent form of it but like anything
that man's involved in sometimes there's
politics and things and that's what
really drove me away from the church
where the political things the purely
non-religious things of the goings on
that behind behind the doors kind of
thing that kind of soured
my you know my intentions on on
Christianity so how did you become a
Muslim wow okay so many years later I
am have lost my relationship with a
church completely I'm not going to
church not doing anything and I had a
Muslim I always had Muslim friends and
we sit down and talk about what we
believed I always had an issue with the
whole Divinity of Christ the whole
Trinity thing because I've been to to
school and you sit there and you go okay
so I know about the Council of n or the
Council of c and these things and how
they were all inventions and so uh I'm
looking for something you know I had a
friend of mine had reconnected with and
he said you know brother he said you're
you're a good guy he said I want tell
you something I'm going to give you a
book and he just gave me one of those
basic beginner Islam books but with my
background being military and Christian
I was really afraid of making that leap
so for about a year I studyed
alhamdulillah um I moved I found I ran
to a brother who went to the uh Islamic
Center of Irving he invited me to come
to the Open Hearts open doors one
Saturday and so I went a little
skeptical you know just wanted to learn
I need to talk to somebody and uh so I
did that and I actually end up taking
the new Muslim class even though I
wasn't a Muslim yet which uh kind of let
me down you weren't the Muslim and you
were taking now this class so I need to
learn exactly those little things you
don't know as a Muslim you know abouted
and those sort of things much required
your mind is open like a par mind is
open yes
and so I take the class uh I met a
wonderful uh shake at the ICI uh shik
Issa a Randon shake that was visiting
there and we would just sit and talk
nobody ever tried to uh sell me on Islam
it was just a discussion about what you
believe and you talk and people say well
that's what we believe and so there was
that Common Ground so uh after about a
year studying I made my mind I want to
take mashada now this is a funny story
so I got I call uh the nurse Masha to me
make an appointment they said your mom's
not available so I said okay I'll wait
another day so I make another
appointment with the m Zia from Irving
and he had a janaza so I kept and take
my shahad that day so I said you know
I'd been watching this guy don't know
who he is but he's a good speaker noan
Ali Khan on
YouTube and not knowing that he's very
well known in the community because I
don't know the community so I uh call up
Bay uh Institute and talk to the sister
kaj there and said hey I'm not a Muslim
I'm trying to take Mas shahada I can't
find anybody to give me Mas shahada can
I come up there and see the brother and
take M shahad with him so she makes an
appointment this is on a Wednesday I go
up that Friday I talk to the brother for
about an hour we discussed things about
why I want to become a Muslim what I'm
doing and I took my shahada uh four
years ago April 19th with brother n Alik
Khan wow that that reminds me of a
quotation from the Bible tributed to
Jesus where he said uh this is like life
eternal that they may you may know you
the only true God and Jesus who you have
sent shahada saying that I bear witness
that there's nothing worthy of worship
except the only true God and Muhammad
who you sent as a final messenger
including Jesus Moses Abraham and all
the preceding Messengers who brought the
same message worship the Creator not the
creation that's the shahada you're
talking about that's I'm talking about
yeah you took that and that's how you
become a Muslim that's how become a
Muslim and uh I've been active uh with
the community ever since there in uh in
Dallas for worth I'm kind of a a m Gypsy
I go where they need me I have a main
small mared Mar alaha that I go to
that's my Dr mared where I go to but I
just try to help uh other brothers learn
about Islam um there's a big uh
community in Dallas Fort Worth of revert
brothers who are all military mhm so we
have our own little Association of
Muslim revert military guys who served
in the Army Marine Corps Navy and stuff
me get they all accepted Islam they've
all accepted Islam oh here you go some
people are like man these guys going
form a and they're trying to do uh holy
war and Jihad see we got a lot more to
talk about you you got to put this in
perspective we'll be right back with
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now back here on the dean show my
special guest coming from a background
of Methodist
ministers and you ended up having an
open mind had some problems with the
whole concept of God being three in one
and the Trinity and other politics going
on you like the pure monotheism of Islam
of only worshiping the one who created
Jesus Moses Abraham the one Creator the
one God pure monotheism and all the
other things that uh Islam revolves
around Islam simply meaning to submit to
the Creator not the creation that's the
same like in the Lord's Prayer hallow be
thy name thy will be done that's Islam
that's Islam yeah uh you mentioned
there's many other uh people in the
military it's interesing during the Gulf
War uh you had over 3,000 US troops come
to visit uh their stationed there uh no
actually more than 3,000 how many was it
in the Gulf War do you know but 3,000
accepted Islam that's 3,000 plus
accepted Islam anyone with an open mind
like yourself who comes in and really
studies it seeking the truth they'll see
that this is definitely you know what
I'm looking for Islam is simple military
guys like simple things we also like a
discipline of Islam yeah you have your
five prayers everything's laid out and
there's no equivocation Islam it's black
and white there's right and wrong and
it's very simple religion and easy to
learn but now they already I said
military Islam oh
militia it it's not like that I mean I I
think it takes
people with open
minds and some people are followers
other people are leaders you know but if
you have open mind and you and you
actually study Islam with somebody with
a person of knowledge that you see the
truth of Islam these things are just so
ridiculous I just I just hate you know
because now we're on the defensive
usually and um that's why you have
people who are usually the KKK type uh
racist hater you know people who who
actually have more in common with Isis
and D these extreme people who are not
even Muslim who have this hate rhetoric
you've seen people trying to blow up
masks that'll take me to my next
question because you do some Consulting
because of your experience tell us about
this uh here in Richardson at the U
Islamic Association North Texas just uh
two weeks ago we had a group called bear
that's their name they got because they
they saw car they think Cara is an
unindicted co-conspirator from 911 they
have all these conspiracy theories and
what they do is they go protest and from
the moned with weapons yeah which to me
I think is just a purely an intimidation
tactic now that being said this is
America it's a gun culture it's their
Second Amendment right which we have no
problem with but I think if you're
trying to engage
someone in a conversation the way not to
go is to show up at the mid with guns
how about walking the mid and ask
questions one of the guys I debated with
uh David Wright I think is his name he's
a leader of bear and his whole thing was
I need to know what's going on in that
mon come on in and but you won't come in
but we said you know if you want to know
it's a 501c their financial records are
open instead of standing out here with
your guns on the sidewalk go inside and
talk to theom talk to the people now on
several occasions when they've had
smaller groups when there been not the
group think mentality but one or two
people people have come in I want say
their minds have been changed but they
have a different view it's like they
think there's you know Insurgent
training going on in the Masid crazy
yeah and the only thing that goes on in
the Masid is training for for youth to
be good
people for people to commit to do daah
to be called to Islam and you know the
other Mash mash Islam downtown they feed
people every Saturday they don't feed
Muslims they feed people if you're
hungry and need something to eat you go
there m There's no distinction made yeah
cuz you know Muslims are here to serve
people training the heart the heart
purifying the heart uh trying to better
ourselves each and every B to be better
human beings and and to actually be good
neighbors and you're not being actually
as uh you know the verse in the Bible
where it talks about um when one came to
Jesus and said oh good Master what good
thing can I do that I may have eternal
life me Paradise Jesus said
why are you calling me good there's only
one good and that's God and by the way
that's the god that we worship that
Jesus is saying there's only one good
but that's God and if one wants to enter
eternal life keep the Commandments one
of the greatest Commandments is to love
your neighbor so if many of these people
um who who who are brothers in humanity
the Christians many are stepping up and
showing kindness we've had letters from
people that have written different
massah and said we don't agree with
those exactly we need more of that we
need you know and we publish these
letters out and they say things but
these people who come to the Mah to
protest they have an agenda yes and no
matter what you tell them it's not going
to change their mind because they have
the be all in all piece of knowledge
that there has to be something going on
in there all you have to be bad because
one of you is bad and this guy even said
this he
said we don't want any Syrian refugees
here because one of them might do
something so you're going to condemn a
whole group of people who are escaping
the same depression and
Terror that Americans don't want and
exclude them from the place that says
give me you're tired give me your poror
give me your huddled masses on the off
chance that one of them might do
something and you know my response was
so should we exclude all white males
from movie
theaters and the brother said well
that's different because you know lone
Shooters they the're crazy guys and I
said well if you flip it around around
was take the same thing those people
areic
indicative of you know Muslims they're
the thing so you can't say because one
guy committed an act in San berardino
that now 1.6 billion Muslims are all
guilty because of this one guy one guy
and you forgot about the
355 356 probably more now Mass uh
shootings that weren't Muslim correct
you forgot about that they never bring
those up they don't bring that up yeah
so it's it's crazy do you think r at a
time you mentioned uh your mother uh was
it your mother and grandmother that uh
she actually was the first uh woman yeah
she was the first black school teacher
in an all-h School District in East
Texas yeah little town called uh Gilmer
Texas yeah upair school district and uh
my mother's a a good woman good
Christian woman a lot of my friends ask
how can you love your mother and be a
Muslim I go CU she's my mother we all
know the Hadith right yes who should you
love best your mother again your mother
your mother and finally your father and
the the question my mother asked me when
I became a Muslim was do I still believe
in
God I said yes and she was fine we've
never had an issue since and and that's
the same God that that Jesus uh that's
the other problem with the people on the
guns they say that our God is not the
same God they say he's the moon God and
all those sort of things they always
rubbish so but you know I I look at it
like this if Allah says don't worship
the moon don't worship the don't worship
anything in creation worship them who
created creation and mother who has you
know like said one raised in a church
still active in a church can accept me
being a Muslim and I can accept her
being a Christian and we can get along I
I don't see the issue yeah haters are
always going to hate uh before we go
what I wanted to mention was you had at
at one point in history in time uh very
evil things happening to
African-Americans in this country uh you
had it happen into the Japanese right uh
you think now we're we're the scapegoats
now it's we definitely the the latest I
would say another term use on your show
but we're definitely the scapegoats now
the pwns the pwns now that for for
islamophobia is an industry industry
it's a billion dollar business and it's
sewing lies hate deceit to make money
for people and you know it's like you
know I've been You' been the American
public has been bamboozled yeah they've
been Hoodwink the wolves and put over
their eyes so what would you before we
got to conclude but tell us for the
person out there who's tuned in now that
they've been led to the dean show and
maybe they have all of this brainwashing
that's happened thinking Terror this all
this nonsense you had an open mind
Baptist uh Med Methodist Minister and
you accepted Islam uh what would you uh
say to this person to do I'd say get to
know your Muslim neighbors as a person
not as a Muslim just as a person talk
about your kids your school your work
then work up to the questions about how
is your religion like mine how is yours
different than mine
and you'll find that Islam and
Christianity are more alike than
different beside the the one thing we
know with toed and and and The Trinity
but you know love your neighbor as you
love yourself you know give them a
chance before you condemn them and then
go forward from that as human beings
we're going to end with the greeting of
Jesus peace be with you we started with
peace we end with peace thank you it was
a a pleasure meeting you and talking
with you you
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already peace peace that's what it's
about having peace with your creator the
one that Jesus called Humanity at his
time people to have peace with and then
you got peace within yourself and when
you have peace within yourself you can
have peace with your neighbors and
Society but most people who spew this
hate they don't have that peace a with
the Creator and then they don't have it
in themselves so they're spewing hate so
work on the heart that's what needs to
be worked on because when you truly have
this peace you're not talking about
hurting nobody you're not talking about
doing some of the crazy things that many
of these people are doing trying to blow
up Muslims blowing up MOS and doing all
this harm to their neighbor no this is
not what Jesus taught nor Muhammad nor
any of the messenger and surely this is
not what the crater wants you to do so
go ahead and get to know your Muslim
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