for the the person who you know he says
well hold on
uh you have this is an event that's
uh one of the the most documented in
history
uh historians like uh josephus
and others who have documented this as
an event that did take place how do you
respond
well first of all i mean we have to
remember that in the islamic tradition
we do not disagree about a crucifix
crucifixion having happened okay
in the islamic tradition a crucifixion
did happen
but muslims believe that jesus christ
was not the one who was crucified
now i have to make a point here a little
known fact
is that early christians were divided on
this issue
many early christians did not also did
not believe that jesus christ was
christian now this is a fact so this is
a fact that there was a big controversy
everyone didn't just believe this they
were divided okay
early christians had different concepts
about this and
some of the sects which uh
which uh denied the crucifixion were
huge
and their reasons for denying it were
sound as well
for example uh jesus christ prayed
to be saved from the from the
crucifixion at the same time in the
bible
we're told that uh that god
heard his prayers because he was a
righteous man
now what does heard his prayers mean
does that mean
heard his prayers and then refused them
no it means heard his prayers and
accepted them
otherwise it wouldn't make any sense it
would be like saying
god heard his prayers and denied him
because he was a righteous man
that does that wouldn't make any sense
so
um you know many many early christians
they did not believe that
jesus christ had been crucified they
believed that he was raised up
and the islamic belief is that another
was substituted in this place
but it was made to appear to the people
that it was jesus christ
who was substituted the vote is out but
the most popular opinion is that
it was judas iscariot yeah he was the
one who was deserving
punishment he was he was the traitor to
god's prophet
and and the uh islamic belief is that
god altered his features or the
perception of the people
to believe that he was jesus christ he
was crucified
in place of jesus christ jesus christ
himself was raised up
until the time that he will return dr
brown tell me is there any
explicit statement that jesus peace be
upon him ever said
that i am coming to die for the sins of
the world this is a serious matter and i
just want to know the one that we love
jesus did he ever say that he's going to
believe in him and you'll be saved from
all these sins and
i'm dying for your sins and put it on my
back i'll carry it for you
well i call it the jesus gold card
no i mean first of all no and you have
to ask yourself why
because the purpose of brexit said no
right not at all no
he never said he was going to die for
the sins of mankind as a matter of fact
he said many things that would
indicate that he wasn't going to okay uh
again
jesus christ was uh was a uh
orthodox jew he taught the
the jewish the mosaic law he come he
came
saying do not think that i have come to
destroy the law i have not come but to
fulfill
and he even elaborated he he said until
heaven and earth shall pass not one jot
not one tittle of the law
shall be destroyed until all is
fulfilled so you know the
the point is that that he was following
mosaic law and what did mosaic law teach
mosaic law taught
that the father shall not bear the
iniquity of the son and the son shall
not bear the inequity of the father
that makes sense okay makes sense and
there's evidence for it
right so basically what jesus christ was
teaching was against the
even against the concept of original sin
because how can the son
bear the iniquity of adam if he doesn't
even bear the iniquity of his father
okay and you have another example when
when the children were gathering around
jesus he said do not forbid them
for of thine is the kingdom of heaven
these were children
they you know if they had original sin
upon them
he wouldn't be able to say of thine is
the kingdom of heaven because they would
be stained by original sin
what what he was saying is contrary to
what we are being told
by the church his companions now those
who
knew him the best those who were around
him they witnessed his teachings
did they ever preach this that jesus
died for
the sins of the world no the way that
the concept grew was that jesus christ
himself taught accountability i mean
if you if you read the if you read a red
letter bible the bible that shows you
all of the the actual recorded words of
jesus
in red you will find that all that he
taught was to keep the law
and he condemned he condemned anybody
who practiced
lawlessness with regard to
salvation he taught that if you want the
kingdom of heaven obey the loss
okay paul came along and
abolished the laws and established the
concept
of um of just
uh the atonement has established the
concept
of justification by faith um
so these were this is part of the
conflict between the teachings of jesus
which was the law of the kingdom of god
and the teachings of paul which
abolished that
let's bring it back to the one who is in
charge of everything who's running
maintaining sustaining this universe
did he ever send a messenger
some of the greatest messages we know
abraham noah moses
we discuss what jesus said and the last
and final messenger prophet muhammad
peace be upon him all
that any of them at any time preach
teach
anything of this that we're talking
about
no but i will tell you what what did
happen
every every prophet taught the oneness
of god
the absolute necessity of keeping his
law
and personal accountability
however in every instance i know of
at some point in time following the
period of revelation
the people found this a little bit too
difficult a little bit too
confining and you found some charismatic
leader who would come along
and give the people what they needed
basically an easier
path the only problem is that the
question arises
is this are these promises going to be
there when those people present
themselves on the day of judgment
look we're being told to accept the
concept of original sin
that we bear the stain of the sins of
adam
even though jesus christ himself
endorsed
the the teaching that no son will bear
the iniquity of the father
okay at the same time we we are told
that jesus died for our sins
and yet in i'm just going to quote again
i know you hate this but hosea 6 6
according to god quote i desi i desire
mercy and not sacrifice i desire mercy
and not sacrifice and not sacrifice
and then here we're being told but god
sacrificed
his only begotten child wait a minute
you then turn around and ask well
why has anybody i'm sure
we've all questioned this at some time
why
ask why did god have to sacrifice
his quote as according to the
the you know trinitarian faith his quote
only begotten son why the answer comes
back
because god needed an atoning sacrifice
i just have to say that flies in the
face of reason it goes
against what muslims believe because of
one word
need the word need god
needed a sacrifice we
we as human beings we need we need
things
god doesn't need anything he may
have things that he wants like he would
like to see us be good people
he would like to see us serve and
worship him but he doesn't need
there is nothing that we can do there's
nothing that we
we can give god that he couldn't have
by his own volition so
then you ask well well why couldn't god
have forgiven us
without a sacrifice is
god not big enough to do that
uh i guess it comes down to your concept
of god
and each person has to just ask
themselves what makes
what makes sense does it does it make
more sense to trust anonymous
gospels which conflict in their stories
conflict in their evidence
uh et cetera et cetera or does it make
more sense to
follow the um you know the train of
logic that i'm
that i'm talking about i mean