but they've made us such a bunch of
paranoid nuts you know because when when
I was growing up there were two
medicines in the world you had aspirin
and cofen that that's all there
was now there's so many medicines they
got this prescription stuff that they
advertise on TV and I swear half the
time the side effects are 50 times worse
than what the medicine cures it's like
try new Flor Flo for itchy watery eyes
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psoriasis if you develop an allergic
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call your doctor
immediately welcome to the dean show we
got another expert on the program health
is a blessing many people take for
granted they don't take it seriously we
got Dr Grasso how are you good Mr Dr
grao how you been good how are you good
good thank God now there's a friend of
mine his uh his wife was having migraine
headaches all right one problem she goes
to the doctor your conventional doctor
and they give her some prescription
drugs so now not only does she have the
migraine she's also having
seizures which is one of the side
effects to this prescribed
drug what what you know th and and we
hear we hear a lot of this stuff we
talked a little bit about um curing the
the the root and and then we'll get into
you explain it to us the holistic
approach to medicine as opposed to the
symptom and then you take you know one
prescription drug for another tell us
about when I when I when you hear this
story have you hear stories like this
where a person takes something to heal
something and then next thing you know
they got a whole new varay of problems
coming up excessive body OD uneven tire
W diarrhea Gara diarrhea oh sure I mean
if you if you um look up any drug on uh
you know in in the PDR The Physician
Desk Reference or you can go on online
now we have a lot of doctor Googles out
there so they they want to research
their conditions they want to research
their medications it's a common fact
that every medication is going to have
um several hundred if not thousands of
side effects and some of those are
common side effects and some of those
are serious side effects and they
actually do you know label them that way
and and so it's it's very common that
people are going to get a side effect to
a medication and most uh conventional
minded Physicians are going to say well
you know it'll go away just uh keep
taking it and you'll be fine now this
particular patient getting seizures
that's a problem and uh obviously that
you you don't want that to happen in my
practice um and we can we can talk more
about my my background and my my yeah
tell us about tell us about your your
background what is it actually you're
you're a doctor in osteopathy right de
what does that mean so there there are
two types of medical schools three if
you count dentist yeah um two types of
medical schools in the United States
there's uh MDS or allopathic medicine
medical doctors which everyone knows
about and then you have Do's or doctors
of Osteopathic Medicine uh there 31
schools now in the United States our
education is exactly the same we study
the same books we take the same National
exams actually two years ago they just
integrated our residency programs with
the MD so we used to have our own
hospitals and we those gradually faded
out over time and now all of the
hospital systems uh if you go here to
rush down down the street here or or any
other Hospital in the United States
you're going to see doctors with do at
the end of their name Specialists
cardiologists neurosurgeons surgeons of
all different Specialties renal special
IST uh
endocrinologist Family Physicians which
is what I am internist Etc so that's the
same we take the same national boards we
have the same right to practice
prescribe medication and do surgery no
difference as far as our education the
only difference and which was designed
to be since 1874 which was the first
school of Osteopathic Medicine in
Kirksville Missouri that's where it was
born uh was that osteopathic medicine
was designed from a place of Health if
it was designed to find the cause not to
treat symptoms and the primary
Foundation of osteopathic medicine was a
Hands-On very unique Hands-On approach
where we're taught certain perceptual
skills to sense not only physical things
in terms of anatomy and physiology and
muscles joints ligaments organs but
there are other things that you feel in
the body that have a fluid nature and
that have a bio electrical nature and
those things can
disease so when you develop the right
per perceptual skills and Hands-On
skills and you get the right training
you can diagnose and treat with your
hands but osteopathic treatment is not a
therapy and this is where people get
confused because they look at do doctor
of osteopathy and
osteopathy if you pull the P the word
apart Osteo means bone pathy or pathos
means disease disase bone disease people
think that we're Specialists of the
bones and we're not we're medical
doctors but we're dos but we are trained
at least from a traditional standpoint
and I'm one of the few who are still
uniquely traditional we're taught to
treat from a place of Health to
understand that no matter what a person
walks into our office with whatever the
disease process or condition that as
long as they're alive
there's still Health in that individual
and sometimes the disease is just a
wakeup call or a doorway to find the
cause of the illness or to help the
person you know follow a road to to
recovery and it's up to us to figure
that out and and lead them into the
right direction and and if you're just
focusing on symptoms like this other
patient who's got the
migraines then you're just giving them a
drug and you're covering it up and we
don't know why they have migraines is
this some past experience some injury
that they had in the past is there some
emotional thing going on are they eating
something from a nutritional perspective
that is causing it do they have some
kind of toxicity in their body um they
have Metals in their mouth uh there's so
many different factors including the
medications that can give them side
effects and there are drugs there are
blood pressure drugs that can dilate the
blood vessels and give people a side
effect the headaches there are a lot of
drugs that because of their side effects
they used to treat different things like
depression um on on on a lot of sports
people when they're in real high stress
situations like um you know I play a
little bit of golf and some golfers take
uh you know beta blockage they're
they're blood pressure medicines and the
side effect not only do they bring the
blood pressure down but they calm you
down so they anti-anxiety effects so
there's a lot of different reasons and
and in my practice um you know holism is
not using herbs instead of synthetic
medications yeah that's that may be part
of it but holism is looking at the
patient mind body and spirit and
treating and and moving towards cause
and sometimes you don't get to the Cause
right away and that's the uniqueness of
osteopathic medicine because we're given
the ability to use our hands and our
extra sensory perception to understand a
human being and I tell my patients CU
they all come in they have all their
ideas they look at Google they diagnose
they self- diagnose and I say listen
okay I understand where you're coming
from the first thing that I have to do
is treat the patient okay I understand
your disease I'm going to acknowledge it
I went to medical school it's one of the
reasons I went there because I need to
know disease I need to understand what
you're going through and what you're
taking from medications but I still have
to understand you first and then we can
start picking things apart and every
person that comes in my office they get
time how long does it take do you give
time um with a patient is it like uh 5
minutes 10 minutes what because
typically you go into a doctor's office
and they'll you know make you not I'm
not saying every doctor but the majority
out there that I've been to and people
they complain the the doctor says the
appointment at 12:00 they see them at 2:
and when they and then they give five
minutes and a drug yeah that I take
pride in being on time yeah and there
are times when I'm not on time but it's
rare I might be 20 minutes behind but I
don't see more than 10 or 12 patients a
day that's my average so new patients
are going to get at least an hour and 15
hour and a half in my office hour in 15
15 that's almost unheard of correct and
and my follow-up patients are going to
get 45 minutes wow okay and and the
reason is is I don't understand how
Physicians do it to see some of them see
like aund patient 100 a day oh it it
it's crazy and and the way the whole
medical system's going uh and I really
don't want to get into that but because
it's a long story um I feel bad for
Physicians these days uh because they're
having to work harder to make a living
and plus uh you know the the whole
politics behind it it's just I don't
want to really get into that but it's
really tough for them so they're forced
to see so many patients in a day that
doesn't happen in my office I mean
people come I spend the time and you
need the time if you want understand
somebody yeah and understand what
they're going through you need the time
you need the time this is really
important right there hour and 15 to
hour and a half to 5 minutes how can you
give a great diagnosis a good diagnosis
imposs five Miss impossible let's take a
break we're right back here with more
from Dr grao we'll be right back please
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Joseph Gro thank you again dror for
being with us great to be already thank
you thank you uh okay so we talked about
the diagnosis tell us why did here just
just I don't know just random why did
they serve sloppy joe at hospitals or
have a or have a pop machine I don't
understand that you know it's it's uh
you know pop Coca-Cola machine that's a
good
question if you go to hospitals I did a
I did three-year residency board
certified in Family Practice just like
any other physician and um you know you
go to a hospital you think someone
you're sick and you want to get healthy
and and a person's laying there in the
hospital bed and they're getting wake
awakened uh every hour okay so you know
it's been proven The Highest Potential
of healing is when you sleep yeah you
have to sleep okay so okay you got these
sick patients yeah it's justified in
some cases you have to wake them up for
certain conditions but for the most part
you got to let them heal but then you go
down into the lunchroom in the cafeteria
and they're serving junk Pizza GMO Foods
um you know sugars tons and tons of
sugars okay um and you see what the phys
the patients are getting in their meals
uh and it's sickening because in my
opinion food in the United States
especially is one of the major causes of
disease and so it's important for me to
educate my patients on nutrition and and
you've had our our best buddy Jim Marlo
on the show and he frequently sees our
patients and you've just spoken with Dr
Garcia as well so he's a big part of our
of our Diagnostic and and and whole
therapeutic regimen in the office
because food is crucial what you put in
your body is going to either help you
get healthier and keep you healthier or
it's going to make you sick and we have
so many problems with digestive diseases
I mean little kids little children okay
who if the mothers don't breastfed and
they're newborn and they they're
drinking this GMO soy based formulas and
um it's it's not healthy for him at all
MH so 50% of the battle or more if I get
patient's nutrition straightened out it
makes my job so much easier do you do do
doctors learn about nutrition you did
you guys learn about uh nutrition the
importance of nutrition in in medical
school no absolutely not the the the
closest we get to nutrition in medical
school I don't know about now I I've
been out there for 25 years but as far
as I know CU I get students that come
through my office all the time no one's
getting educated on nutrition and if
they do it's about counting calories
yeah and it's about like diabetics um if
you if you go see someone who's supposed
toly specializes in treating diabetics
nutritionally um they're going to put
them all on the same diet and you can't
do that the closest we get to nutrition
in medical school is what they call
parental nutrition and if if someone's
in the Intensive Care Unit and they
can't eat they're on a respirator they
have to feed you through a tube and
basically they tell you all the
different nutrients you have to put in
there that's the closest we're getting
okay and in fact nutrition should be the
number one course in medical school it
should be where we start now we have to
learn the whole systems approach
Cardiology neurology uh
nephology uh endocrin olog Etc we need
to understand those things to be a
physician and for me it's an integral
part of what I do and that's why you
know I originally wanted to be a
chiropractor because I enjoy using my
hands and and there are a lot of good
chiropractors out there that do some
very good work but I felt at the time
that I would be limited in the ability
to treat everything because I often get
patients who come into my office that're
taking a lot of drugs and many times
they come because they want to get off
their drugs as a as a a non-med
physician I do do not have the license
your or the education to do that uh it
doesn't mean that those uh alternative
minded Physicians chiropractors and and
homeopaths that they can't do it it's
just they legally can't do it they got
to have send them back to their
physician and say okay you I think it's
ready you're ready to come off this
medication to to do it safely you need
someone who's educated yeah so I didn't
want to have that limitation I wanted
continuity in my office so very rarely
do I have to send people to specialist
and as you said before you patient a
patient goes and sees a physician
they're in there the waiting room for an
hour two hours and then the experience
is terrible they're there for 5 minutes
and they're not even heard uh so the way
I look at it is if I'm going to go see a
physician how do I want to be treated
okay when if I ever have to refer
someone I'm confused I need to get some
some help yes and it's only to get a
diagnosis I tell them go see the
physician let's see if I'm missing
something because I'm not quite clear
what's going on with you
medically don't do anything until we
talk MH okay we'll get the information
and then we'll go from there so it's
very important that um that we have
continuity in the office and that's what
osteopathic medicine was designed to do
it was designed for Primary Care it
wasn't designed to be a specialist and
as you know there are Specialties and
Subs Specialties and Sub Sub sub
Specialties these these days so no one
has the ability to treat the whole
patient so you go see an endocrinologist
and person's got a headache well it's
your your thyroids off uh go see the
neurologist as an osteopathic physician
with what we do in the proper way that
we've been trained traditionally now
mind you the schools don't do this
anymore and we can talk about that later
yeah um to get the right training you're
going to have to come you have to go in
the office you have to train with
somebody you have to take some courses
um so when they come to my office I am
not afraid to treat any medical
condition I have terminal cancer
patients that come in the office I have
uh you know pregnant women I have
newborns um there all sorts of things
that as long as you're a person and
you're alive we'll treat you speak
speaking speaking about uh pregnant
women what is your um you know one and
three
here in
America women are there's a C-section
rate of one in three women Sky High
C-section rates in us don't translate to
better birth outcomes what do you have
to say about the skyrocketing rate of
C-sections now well some of that is
elective and um I can understand I'm not
a woman but I've treated a lot of women
and you know there there may be some
vanity involved with that and I totally
understand that it's a childbirth I
treated so many women the last 25 years
going through pregnancy it's not an easy
process yeah and uh but what about the
women who really want to have it
naturally as possible but they're
pressured into the whole you know uh
system of speeding it up what what is
the poosum and then going through that
and if you they put you on a Time Clock
if you're not the the baby's not out
after 24 hours boom C-section there
there's definitely there is an issue
with that Eddie and uh some of it is um
lawyer based you know know Physicians
are afraid they're going to get sued and
if you look here in Illinois alone it's
the highest one of the highest
malpractice rates in the country for
Obstetricians there been a lot of
Obstetricians that left Illinois for
that reason because they're they're
paying $2 200 $300,000 a year just in
malpractice insurance and and so for me
um my malpractice is still even high as
a family physician and I've never had
any issues with that and and if you
spend time with people it's not it's
generally not going to be issue if you
treat people like human beings and you
take time with them but as far as the
Obstetricians I can see this their point
of view but that doesn't justify doing
C-sections uh some women electively want
to do it as well but in some cases um
having delivered 32 kids myself when I
was in my residency some of those
deliveries can go aide and you can have
problems and and there's there's a
necessity for C-sections in other cases
uh if you just wait it out and I'm
saying I'm not an obstetrician I don't
know all the statistics on that but I
know that the body can do what it's
supposed to do if you give it a chance
and it's about faith it's about trust
and a lot of Physicians don't have that
what if it's breached if it's breached
you know it it's I'm a twin okay and and
I came out first and I came out my head
down but my my sister who who my twin
came out breach and my mother was 4
foot1 so she had two little kids in
there that were 6 and2 lb it's a lot of
weight for a 41 body but you know they
delivered her and it happens and in the
olden days it wasn't a problem yeah now
it's if you look at the statistics I
know that with breach deliveries soon as
they see you breach C-section C-section
yeah and um I treat a lot of pregnant
women and and we they will do you know
the last uh six weeks of the pregnancy
there are certain things that I can look
for from an osteopathic perspective
handson and if the kid is breach we can
turn the baby you can turn the baby oh
God yeah it's and it's simple
it's rather simple but they make it seem
like it's almost like you feel like it's
impossible once it's breached that's it
there's nothing you can do you can
actually turn the baby you can turn the
baby but it's not a physical thing where
you're actually going in there turning
it like a steering wheel there and this
is a whole new topic we could do a
couple of shows on that tell let me take
let me take a break and we'll be right
back don't go anywhere it's like when
did you think that you had no
purpose are you worthless
the value comes from
purpose your purpose in life is to
worship the Creator not worship your
desires and self not worship social
pressure the celebrity culture but
worship the thing that's much higher and
Transcendent above and beyond by
worshiping God and seeking his pleasure
you get pleased so you have double
pleasure back here on the dean show with
Dr Joseph grao continue on you left off
uh we we can specifically uh this topic
a lot of people now are choosing um home
birs what do you think about that that
you know a comfortable environment
peaceful sure and you know in the olden
days that used to happen and and to the
credit of the medical system and the
technology it's gotten it's become much
better there are some hospitals you can
actually deliver a baby in a bat tub
yeah they have midwives now yeah and
they have midwives and and um you know
but sometimes things don't go as planned
and I I actually recently I treated this
woman through her pregnancy and uh she
totally planned she had a midwife she
planned on having the child at home and
uh delivery just didn't go quite right
and so she ended up having to go to the
hospital she ended up having the child
didn't have a seat section but
everything was okay but you know
sometimes those things happen and and
perhaps in the olden days there could
have been uh problems with with the
mother and the baby but uh I think when
you look at the the Advent of medicine
and some of the Technologies out there
it's it's been helpful but on the whole
I can tell you this when it comes to
emergency situation medicine does a
fairly good job in stabilizing people
but when it comes to Healing it's
horrible I can't I don't know what other
word I can tell you yeah it's not
designed to help people heal it's
designed to enable people and it's
designed people to stay
sick so if you have to take a medication
in my in my practice if someone comes in
and the blood pressure is elevated I'll
try any alternative means including
treating them because everyone gets
Hands-On treatment in my office and
that's a whole another explanation
because it's different than anything you
know it's not manipulation it's not a
therapy but everyone gets treated and
I'll do whatever it takes from an
alternative basis to uh bring their
blood pressure down but if it doesn't
come down I can't let them walk on the
street with a blood pressure 200 over
100 so I have to prescribe something
when you say alternative what you know
the other side or who people think like
that's uh anti-science against science
you know as soon as you say alternative
some people you know have other labels
to it you know uh we're conditioned have
insurance for everything for instance
let me just give you this example
insurance for the car insurance for B if
anything goes wrong I got insurance
he'll fix it same thing with the body if
anything goes wrong I got the you know
the doctor I go to see him he's got a
drug for every ill you turn on the TV
and there is a pill for every ill there
it is is there is and United States one
of the few countries that that actually
advertises Med medications uh it's it's
kind of sad because you watch a football
game and you're seeing all these things
for erectile dysfunctions on TV and you
got kids that are watching these these
shows I mean it's just horrific but
isn't that based on science it's all
well there's science behind it but they
if you look at the the subscripts at the
and all the side effects it's pretty
scary and it's conditioning people
that's what commercials do it's
propaganda that that conditions people
at a very young age that it's okay to do
that we train we teach people we educate
people that come into our office that
the patient needs to take part in their
health care they have to be the primary
role which means they have to be
educated in living a healthy life and
eating properly and in proper dental
hygiene and in uh you know uh proper
exercise and and meditation and and and
supporting your spiritual side of your s
which very R is talked about in medicine
not at all this is really a holistic
this is really so important you have to
have a practice some kind of practice
every day or if it's taking a walk or
just walking out your front door and
seeing what direction the wind is coming
in I mean people living in the city
they're they're inside most of the time
and they're looking at their cell phones
all day long and they're texting so
we're we're disconnected we we pray we
pray five times a day this is we this is
for the spiritual as so there is really
in health you see a benefit there cuz
you're talking about it's huge huh it's
probably one of the most important parts
of being healthy yeah you hear that guys
that's coming from a a a expert in the
area of Health a doctor but most doctors
that I've uh come across that I've went
to over the years I've never heard this
mentioned about hey are you keeping up
your prayer I mean are you not that they
say that but the holistic approach that
everything all these components matter
to good health it's it's crucial and you
know um for me it's been a journey it's
been an odyssey if you will um and each
treatment is an odyssey each each
experience I have with a patient is an
odyssey and that Odyssey is you have to
figure out all the different
characteristics of what's happening to
that individual and why they got sick
but you can't focus on the disease you
you need to acknowledge it and you need
to acknowledge all the different pieces
that may be surrounding it but
ultimately you have to help that person
to connect once they connect and they
find themselves again then they can heal
yeah and and part of that process is
everything that we've talked about we
have a couple more minutes uh real quick
someone's in not in Chicago they can't
come see you they're in Texas Hawai
wherever what advice do you have the
person's sick of they want to get off
the drugs they don't want to be taking
drugs they they they they want to live a
healthier life you know what advice and
but they also look I'm enjoying really
sit I want to sit with experts people
you know like yourself how does someone
find an expert to sit with in their
Community how can they you know because
the person also every doctor he goes to
he just putting on some drug that has 10
20 different side effects how do they
find a doctor like yourself yeah uh it
that's a challenge it really is a
challenge because uh from from my
perspective and my experience of of what
I've done with patients over the years
you really have to have faith and trust
in what you're doing and sometimes it
goes way against the principles of of
medical of of conventional medical
practice so people are afraid to tell to
take someone off of medication I have a
lot of colleagues that that won't even
touch that and in my opinion um you have
to be treating everything you have to
you can't be afraid to uh to change
someone's medication and and treat the
whole individual and so when you go
around the country in the United States
um there's a couple of of resources
where I refer people to it's uh cranial
academy.org where there are some
Physicians like myself who do some
Hands-On work and then there's another
website um uh actually my teacher
started this website called bio bod dood
doo.com and there are some physicians in
there that do similar work um but it you
know you got to you have to have a
relationship with the physician it's
really about the trust and the faith in
the physician and what they're doing and
and how far they're willing to go and
some people just are not willing to do
that Eddie in in this world that we live
in it's very difficult and you can't be
afraid of of the effects of that so I I
tell you listeners good luck on that
part uh I can only tell you what I do in
my practice and and um it's not about
belief systems either it's about what's
common sense and do you get get the
results yeah and and we say the proof is
in the pudding you get the you get the
results that speaks for itself I tell my
patients all the time because they're
like what do you do and I say listen I
can tell you everything that I do I can
be really charismatic about it but I'd
rather prove it to you mhm and and
that's what Physicians have to do they
have to kind of go against the grain and
be willing to go the extra mile with the
individual and that means you got to O
uh look under every stone every cre
crevice and at first and foremost uh pay
attention to the patient listen to him
yeah and if most Physicians even if
they're spending 10 minutes if they just
listen to the patient I can't begin to
tell you the amount of stories where
patient walked in physician never
they're looking at their watch the whole
time they never listen to the patient
and and they just left with a
prescription it's sad and that's that's
where things are going so we don't we
don't live by that we we function in our
practice you know Dr Garcia and I
practice in the same office and it's an
integrated practice where we see the
same patients and uh we both are focused
on the same thing which is Health mhm
and how what you're doing and how you're
living and how it affects to you know to
overall health and wellbeing if if
people visit Chicago are in Chicago and
they want to come see you how do they
get in touch well you know they if you
Google my name and my uh Dr Garcia's
name you you know it's uh Dr Dr Garcia
has a webs it I don't have a website I'm
kind of I like to sit in the background
a bit but she has a website Dr linag
garcia.com and all that in in all that
information is right there so you can
just call the office and uh make an
appointment M thank you so much uh last
few words a sentence I usually ask
people if you can put it in a tweet
something that will stick for someone
who just wants to have good health what
what do you I know it's we can have
another show on this but some some words
that you can leave them with what I
would say is that um do whatever it
takes to stay connected that nature by
in in and of its definition will take
care of everything no matter what's
happening out there in the world Nature
has the solution and if you trust
something that even you can't see and
that's the that's the definition of
faith you will find your way and and
that means you know healing that means
getting connected that means finding the
right nutrition
um trust that and and that's what I
would leave you with at this point thank
you so much you're welcome thank you God
bless you for being with us thank you so
much we look forward hopefully we can
have you back again Yes sounds good will
I would love to come back thank you
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