And what about this uh Kevin Samuels?
Who is he? Y'all are all out of whack
with how men think. What don't you feel
like with
those men?
Men value. Tamasi. Okay. How about
Andrew Tate? Women don't get married
until right around 29 years old right
now. I And it's getting pushed further
and further back. What about this uh
fresh in the fitna? The one that always
gets people pissed off at body count.
Body count, right? To try to uh haram
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and purpose of life. You know, sexual
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these things that kind of have an impact
on what is a man, what is a woman, and
what are their quote unquote roles and
responsibilities? The zomb is very, very
clear on that. You say, "What do you
mean by partner?" And he'll kind of
break down that no, it's not a
partnership. There's a leader, and the
man is a leader. And he had a lot of
integrity in saying those things. And
that's what I find within the Muslim
circles is that men don't find integrity
in saying what Allah has even said. But
again, the right description, wrong
prescription. Spinning your plates,
wrong prescription. Body count, wrong
prescription. No, it's have your
commitment to Allah subhana wa ta'ala by
being someone that is a protector,
provider, and provider over a woman that
you are willing to die for. What makes
Islam so beautiful is that you know the
man the human being relies on Allah and
Allah is a suppository of truth to where
when they read any of these books
they're able to decipher and discern
what is right and what is wrong but it
requires knowledge of the dean and
knowledge of the prophet sallallahu
alaihi wasallam in his life the
condition for having children is
marriage those other two cannot happen
unless you get married period a man with
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We got a lot to talk about today.
Tonight here we're going to be talking
about red pill masculinity. We're going
to be talking about you've heard of some
of these names for people who have been
in or know about this community. Rolo
Tamasi, Kevin Samuels. Uh you probably
heard of this book, The Way of the
Superior Man. We're going to be talking
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Alhamdulillah. So, let's get right into
it. Red pill. This is something that
most of the young men know about. You've
actually uh these names Rolo Tamasi,
Kevin Samuels. Are these like the gurus
of the red pill movement? You got Andrew
Tate also as part of this. You got the
fresh and the fitna. Fresh. Yeah.
Yeah. A lot of these movements, I mean,
just really seeing how these movements
emerged. And you find throughout history
that movements will emerge as an
antagonist or to kind of speak against
something that happened in the past. And
uh red pill seems to be one of those. A
red pill kind of takes after the movie
The Matrix. It's like once you takes the
you take that red pill, you see the
reality of things that go on. You
understand the purpose of why things are
the way they are. Therefore, you will
not be duped or lied to for what
everyone else is doing. And I think it
was taken that name was taken by
masculine excellence movements or men
that wanted to uh kind of portray what
masculine excellence is and to further
tell men you no longer have to be lied
to. This is the truth about women. This
is the truth about intersectional
dynamics. this is what you should look
and aspire to be as a man and take
control of your life. So, Red Pill kind
of focuses on those things primarily.
Now, you've uh you went deep into this
topic, right? You really um studied some
of the works of these individuals,
right? Right. And the Rolot Sami Rolo
Tomasi Tomasi. Okay. Is he like the
person that kind of kicked this off or
Women don't get married until right
around 29 years old right now? I mean,
it's and it's getting pushed further and
further back. People want to say, "Oh,
well, it's because we've empowered women
and they're going to school and they got
careers and no bullshit." They want to
hold out because they believe that they
have more choice than they actually do.
And then it bites them in the ass when
they get past the 31year-old mark.
Whether you want to call it the wall or
whatever you want to call it, I don't
care. Right? Once they get past that,
they become yellowed pearls. They're not
undesirable, but they become less
desirable. less desirable than the 23
year olds that the guys that they want
to get with at that during that time of
their lives, assuming they're high-V
value guys, that they can only hold out
for the high value guys. They're not
interested in a 31-year-old. They're
interested in a 21-y old. You'll find
people that have written on this. You'll
find a lot of what they call uh I forgot
the the acronym they use, but they're
like dating coaches. Dating coaches. The
dating coaches. Roamasi is not exactly
one of them. That's not even his real
name, but he has books. Uh one of them
being uh uh the rational male. Okay.
That's kind of the most famous one.
where he talks a lot about more on an
academic level, if you will, of
interexual dynamics, what it means to be
a man, understanding what is called
hypergamy, a lot of issues that he talks
about. Um, and a lot of them coincide
with with the fra of Islam, they
coincide with the fra of the human
being. Um, and a lot of these concepts,
a lot of his concepts, yeah, a lot of
his concepts coincide with the FRA of
the human being, of what men are and
what women are. Um but again what makes
Islam so beautiful is that you know the
man the human being relies on Allah and
Allah is a suppository of truth to where
when they read any of these books
they're able to decipher and discern
what is right and what is wrong but it
requires knowledge of the dean and
knowledge of the prophet sallallahu
alaihi wasallam in his life. So you will
see that what he talks about has kind of
renewed
um masculine excellence or understanding
what a man is and what women are uh
which kind of liberated men from falling
into um dare we say ways of feminism or
remnants of feminism that has taken
place within society.
Can you define this word? We hear a lot
of it this uh hypergamy. What is this?
So, hypergamy is kind of a terminology
that basically says that women naturally
uh want or desire uh a man or a partner
that's at a higher social economical
status that has a potential to make more
money than her or makes more money than
her uh and has a level of a social
presence uh that that's naturally what a
woman would want. A woman wouldn't want
to marry a man that makes less than her
or doesn't have the potential to make
more than her. Naturally, she wants
someone that she sees can protect her
and provide for her. And what about this
Kevin Samuels? Who's he? Y'all are all
out of whack with how men think. This is
why you can't get what you want from us
because you're valuing something up here
that is a used vehicle with a lot of
miles. But don't you feel like with
those value?
Men value your youth, your fertility,
your purity, femininity, submission,
ability to cooperate, and fitness. And
all of that is at your highest in your
youth. The older you get, the older you
get. No product gets more expensive with
time and use. Have you ever been to the
pawn shop? Yes. All right. You have to
take something you really value to the
pawn shop. And did they hurt your
feelings when they told you how much it
was worth? Yes. I was like, what? Yeah.
That's you. We the pawn shop.
Kevin Samuels is another one that kind
of blew up. He blew up uh I say it was
2025. I probably say around 2019 2020
roughly. Um he blew up um because he was
someone that really talked about male
excellence as well like cleaning
yourself, how to clean yourself. Um how
to be a man that takes care of yourself.
He used to call himself an image
consultant. So, how do you present
yourself in a way to where you are a man
that's desirable, that women want, and
that men want to be, right? Uh, but
within that, he would interview women
live and sometimes he would go off on
them and and and tell them things that
they need to know about themselves or
what they need to know about men. So
some of the some of the things that he
said were very very true but the what he
would prescribe or how he would say to
solve the problem that's where again it
needs work and that's where all of these
these move or these individuals that
would promote red pill or red pill like
tenants tenants that's where they fell
short. Uhhuh. Yeah there. So how would
you summarize this uh Rolo Sami how his
book his works uh what was it the the um
the the main book the rational mail.
Yeah. How would you summarize this at
the end? I would summarize it as a book
that is it it's fairly educational for
men to generally understand what it what
are those interexual dynamics, what are
some of the characteristics that women
have um that is present within their
FRA. Um um but again some of the
prescriptions is where he goes he goes
wrong in that. So for example um he
would he would prescribe for men to get
at a certain age a vasectomy to
basically to where they are not able to
have children. Why is he promoting that?
because it's it's so to where they don't
fall into the the the possibility of
having children with the wrong woman.
Number one, and to allow them to, as he
calls spinning your plates, which is
basically to date many women to find out
which woman is the quote unquote right
one, to where you don't fall victim to
spinning plates. Spinning plates. So,
it's like, okay, you check out this kind
of like a a plate of fruit and you you
try the grapes, okay? You try the green
grapes. You try out. You try out
different women basically what they call
it right now. Your count, right? The
count to body count. Body count, right?
To try out haramho. Hold on.
Yeah.
Mah. Yeah. So you you It's crazy. Yeah,
it is crazy. But we can I mean sure if
from Jahalia if we're back in Jahalia,
this is like okay. It's normal. It's
normal. It's normal. I mean if you were
you know if you're a virgin back then
that was not normal, right? If you were
someone that didn't have any relations
with women or didn't have a lot of women
to talk to, they would question your
masculinity, right? So that is a that
was something he promote is a pillar of
you becoming a better man. You have to
know women. And the only way to know
women is to be with them. So in order
for you not to fall into any type of uh
uh uh connection or obligation or
responsibility towards them being a
child, you get a vasectomy. Mhm. So you
don't have to worry about that. But
there are things that are that that is
problematic as well cuz okay once you
find the right one reversing a vasectomy
the possibilities of that are they
don't. So yeah. So what happen if you if
you like unpackage that vasectomy you
can't have then what happens? What do
you cutting off uh your future seed your
future generations carry legacy family
legacy family right that's bill now we
say yeah it's it's about to big time man
but there are some things he would say
is like to focus on yourself focus on
your purpose for sure right to focus on
your purpose in life that's like the
number one this is what you'll find a
lot of people in the red pill quote
unquote methodology whether they say the
red pill or not they all say focus on
your purpose we in Islam believe in that
but when they say purpose it's more of
uh it doesn't it doesn't uh make a
condition that that purpose is connected
with something godly. It's not something
that is spiritual. Yeah. You know is he
what does he belong to any um is he an
atheist? Is he uh is he does he have any
affiliation any religion? The last that
I spoke of it I I mean from what I know
he's someone that You've spoken to him?
No. No. I've spoken to him but I'm sorry
but the last that I what I've heard of
him talk about he even has a book on
that which I haven't read on religion.
So, I don't want to misquote him or
misspeak about him. So, I'm not really
sure if he's a total atheist or someone
that is just believes in a higher being.
When I heard his rhetoric before, it
seemed like he believes in a higher
being, but doesn't totally say that I'm
an atheist, per se, Yeah. Uh but people
like this, I mean, I think I've seen
something from him. He's very he was
very respectful towards uh Islam.
Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. And we respect
that. And we I think that this would
only enhance because if you talk about
purpose, you can't really be living true
purpose unless you're living the purpose
of the creator. And if you believe in
higher being, it's illogical that he
didn't provide human beings with a
purpose. Exactly, man. Makes no sense.
Exactly. And I think he's intelligent
enough. I mean, if he's asking the
creator for guidance, he's trying to put
the key in the door to find the truth.
We'll send him this message also uh to
Romo and hopefully uh because he can
only enhance this because he's got some
truths there. Exactly. The ultimate
truth he can get from Islam. Exactly.
And that's what makes it so attractive
to young men and even older men
particularly those men that have been
divorced, went through a bad divorce.
Right. When you tell them, look, get
your life right. Focus on yourself. You
focus on your purpose. You be a man of
strength and honor and respect. And then
from there, you choose a woman that
respects that that that respecting of
yourself. Right? So that's what they
call to and he calls to that as well. So
that's what we're saying. Yes, you got
that correct but again ours is I like to
say okay there's a purpose in life and
purpose of life. Your purpose in life is
okay you're fulfilling you're using the
faculties that Allah has given you that
God has given you whether you know Allah
or believe that God has given it to you
or not. But whatever you see that you
have you use it and exhaust it to the
best of your abilities to make more
money to find a sense of of of
tranquility in your life of purpose. But
that's purpose in life. Your purpose of
life is all of that that exists who
brought it here and how do you
acknowledge the one that had brought it
that has given it to you? That's the
purpose of life. So a lot of them the
red red pill movement they talk about
the purpose in life and they may say
it's the purpose of life but it's not
exactly the purpose of life. Purpose of
life is to worship Allah to worship your
creator and to show gratitude to the one
that has created you. Most of them
probably who come from a Christian
background things didn't make sense.
Trinity, God being a man. Exactly. Um,
and this probably usually pushes people
away. Exactly. Exactly. It pushes people
away. And when they see the
implementation of people in their
families that just quote unquote a level
of blind faith. Yeah. I was like, "Okay,
this is not for me. I'm not really
getting it. I'm not really understanding
it. Um, I just don't feel it, you know,
as as was the case with me." You were
you come from a Christian background.
From a Christian background as well. So,
they can probably relate to that also.
But then when you looked into the Quran,
you looked into Islam. See, people just
put it all into one bucket. All
organized religions, they're all the
same. But Islam is unique. It's not has
the proof and evidence to stimulate the
mind and to show you that this is indeed
from the creator. Exactly. Exactly. And
especially when it comes to like this
this issue here, it's very very clear
and very straightforward and very
non-apologetic as well. you know, even
throughout all the movements from, you
know, sexual revolution, industrial
revolution, all these things that kind
of have an impact on what is a man, what
is a woman, and what are their quote
unquote roles and responsibilities, the
Islam is very, very clear on that. Yeah.
Tell me uh so when we look at u what's
this uh the way of the superior male?
Way of the superior man. That's a book
by David Da. Uh it's it's it's an
interesting book because again again
again it touches on a lot of true
factors within that book which is very
attractive to the man that is trying to
find himself the young collegiate that
really wants to understand okay what is
a superior man what is the man that
every man would want to be and that
every woman would want to marry for
example or you know generally speaking
um and he speaks about purpose as well
and when he speaks about purpose there's
some good there's some good things in
there but again it's it's void of that
spiritual connection in which everything
else emanates from. So, is it dangerous
now if you're going through some of
these books and you don't like yourself,
you're you're someone who's an academic,
you're someone who's um been studying,
you're um Islam, you're a you're
somebody who obviously can filter a lot
of these things out. But if somebody who
doesn't have this type of knowledge,
they go into it, can they become
womanizers? Can they end up really going
down a dark path of just following your
lust and desires? Without a doubt.
Without a doubt. Without a doubt. It's
going to take him down that path. It
could well and next thing you know he's
got a vasectomy his wife. Yeah. No,
without a doubt, man. It could take them
down that wrong path because they will
think it's only a secular nuance. It's
only a social nuance. But it it it will
affect the way that you think about life
and even about women. Is it hedonism?
Some of it is hedonism. I wouldn't say
the way of superior man is total
hedonism. Um but some of the approaches
is very hedonistic. Dem debauchery. It's
just like fulfilling your desires,
spinning the plates. That's like just
get Oh, that's straight up fulfilling
your desire. That's straight up. Okay.
Go with dates on women. More plate. You
know, uh, you know, you'll even find
someone say more plates, more dates.
More plates, more dates. More plates on
the bar. When you lift weights, you'll
look bigger. You look to where the
Muslim, how many kids come and ask me,
young guys, how much do you bench?
Right? You know, they see someone that's
big, it's like, okay, he's big because
he wants to look big. One of my mentors
told me no, it's just a pro. It's just a
byproduct of that connection that I have
with pushing myself. It's much deeper
for me than just the aesthetic. But you
know who will answer that question?
Someone who had who who has spun more
place than any of these guys, right? Dan
Bazerian, if you look at Dan Bazerian
right now, if you see what he's saying,
he's trying to leave that life. He was
just with one of our brothers now and
they they spent some time together. He's
giving him dawa, man. and uh he's
talking about how he wants to now he's
speaking out on the what's going on the
genocide in Raza and he wants to do
something more fulfilling and he says
this is a dark hole a dark dark hole
exactly and now he's I mean I think even
before this he's committed to one woman
and you know so he's he's lived that
life he's been through it but then in
the reality once all that's done what's
left you know but then hopefully he gets
down the path of understanding that God
is a creator and then embracing that to
the best of his ability you know to to
firstly acknowledge the purpose of life
and then to try his best to fulfill it
by following that. These uh
intersectional dynamics how how
unpackage that intersectional dynamics
is basically how to properly understand
the opposite gender and act upon that
understanding. So what are women and
what do they typically uh
naturally want and desire and believe
and what are men and what do they
naturally want, desire and believe. So
what are the dynamics? What are the the
the the examples and implementations and
manifestations of their gender of their
sex? Do some of these uh the Rolos and
the Chem Kevin Samuels are they on point
on a lot of things uh studying the
female
psychology that this is what women want
and then women will say yes this or some
will actually say no but no it's
actually what they're attract they're
attracted to because some will say like
no we want a nice guy we want this want
that you know and some there's this term
simp what's a s a s is someone that is
um subserving it to women and all of
their desires and demands. Yeah. That's
what women want, right? Yeah. Yeah. And
see, that's the thing. It's like, okay,
women want that, but is that something
that is really best
for the man and the woman as a couple,
for example. But at the end, she don't
want that. No. At the end, she she
doesn't want that. And she may not even
realize that she doesn't want that. She
wants a man to be a man. Masculine man,
right? And then the thing is that
doesn't mean he's a you know a thug, a
dictator, you know, abuser, whatever the
case. Define that. Please unpack.
Exactly. So you said the women they want
to sometimes the women can't even
describe it. But then sometimes you'll
find them. That's one thing Kevin
Samuels was somewhat good at. He will
ask them to define a man they couldn't
even define. Yeah. That's what I'm
talking about. Right. Right. They say,
"Okay, someone like that is a partner."
He said, "What do you mean by partner?"
And he'll kind of break down that. No,
it's not a partnership. there's a leader
and the man is a leader and he had a lot
of integrity in saying those things and
that's what I find within the Muslim
circles is that men don't find integrity
in saying what Allah has even said cuz
Allah says it cuz Allah said and that's
the thing now with him it's not going to
be that it's going to be maybe by trial
and error from what he's seen from the
generations of old because one thing
that he says is one sign of a high value
woman he's the one that came with this
term high value man he's the one that
really came out with it and pushed it
one one sign of a high value woman is if
she has a ring on her finger
Right. And in Islam, every Muslim woman
is the high value woman because of her
connection with Allah. Subhanaa. Every
woman connected to Allah is a high value
woman initially speaking. Yes. She has
it because that is the most important
thing. You see how we honor our
women. Alhamdulillah. Yeah. I mean even
you know subhan Allah I remember last
time I gave a lecture here how I spoke
about the word um and how I mentioned
the value the value of the mothers in
Islam and with them is the nation and
that's Allah's way of manifesting that I
came off the stage the brother said yes
subhan Allah because the um a woman has
to earn that title the real title of
just as a man has to earn the title of
you know so it's something that yes
Allah has given you this this this and
blessings of Islam but then living that
Islam by following the prophet
sallallahu alaihi wasallam is where you
will fully live and earn this title of
um earn this title of of man etc. So how
would you define from their perspective
and
then giving going through the Islamic
filter is okay picking okay this is good
this is not and then defining really
what is a high value man I think firstly
even I was even asked this earlier in
the day it's like to really understand
masculinity just understanding the s the
sunnah I mean we understand how the
prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam dealt
with himself cleanliness what he spoke
about the fra how there are signs of the
fra to clean oneself How the prophet
sallallahu alaihi wasallam spoke about
marriage. What you should look for in a
woman. How the prophet spoke about
women. How they are created from the rib
of men and how the top part of it is
bent. What is it? What does that mean?
When the prophet wasallam spoke about
divorce and how to properly what are the
mannerisms with dealing with the wa with
your wife if there's a potential for
divorce. Um you know speaking about the
protection and provision how there
should be obedience of the wife to the
husband. All of these things when we
look at the sun of the prophet
sallallahu alaihi wasallam you will see
that it was the manifestation of
masculinity to to the tea. I mean it it
was the embodiment of masculinity.
Go ahead. Did you No, no. Did you find
any
concept from what they talk about in the
red pill? Anything clo I think this is
just amazing. The the crooked rib
concept that we have Islam. anything
similar that they have that I mean when
they would speak about when they would
speak about the woman you know they
would say certain things that we just
don't understand about them and it's not
um cuz how that this is like the prophet
right this is like amazing amazing man
amazing I mean there's so much there's
so much that's amazing about the things
that he said and again we have to
remember that it's it's from Allah
subhanahu wa ta'ala it's not from
mankind and that's why the brothers that
go through a bad situation with women,
they feel liberated by these red pill
movements because the first thing they
tell you is like you've been lied to.
Society has lied to you. It's not about
happy wife, happy life. It's not about
being subservient to your wife. The
wife, the woman may say that, but in the
end of the day, when they get in an
argument, when she feels like, why am I
not attracted to him anymore? I'm an
imam. I because he doesn't know how to
lead. He doesn't lead. He's not a
leader. He's not bold. One woman told
me, one sister told me Allah blessing
him. She's like, he's never told me no.
And those are the things we're talking
about being a man. It's like no, you
have to know when to tell them no
because she knows that you are telling
her no because of Allah and his
messenger and that's what I want with
this family. This family is a household
that worships Allah and I don't agree
with that. No, we're not going to do it.
They get into an argument. That's fine,
but I'm standing on my I'm standing on
my my 10 toes on this issue. A woman
eventually respects that, especially if
she knows that you're living your
purpose. If you're not and you're not,
she doesn't see you praying. She doesn't
see you doing things that are honorable,
she's not going to respect you. Mhm. You
know, and that's when we're talking
about being a man from them is being
bold. And that boldness is what brings
honor from them be from this is being
truthful. Being truthful in what you
desire as a man, but knowing how to be
wise in that, right? And you learn this
from the prophet sallallahu alaihi
wasallam. What about this uh fresh in
the fna? The one that always gets people
pissed off is have 50 girls or more
layout.
what what have you uh have you read some
of their books or his book or what um
this is also it's unique because I think
one of the one of the individuals he's
Muslim. Yeah. Yeah. May Allah guide us
and guide. May Allah guide him guide us
and um you know uh they want the best
for all these guys we're talking about.
Yeah. So I mean these guys I mean they
you know they had a they had a good
intention. They you know Charlotte had a
good intention. And it seemed like when
they first started they really wanted to
educate men about mainly again that
you've been lied to that you know women
don't deserve everything that we're
doing for them that they have to work
for quote unquote. He has a book called
why women deserve less I haven't read it
but I mean number of the tenants that he
speaks about I think brought about this
the the book. It's a show where they
bring a lot of different type of females
on there um in their area uh and they
pose a lot of questions to them from
about intersectional dynamics and you
know um and from those questions they
have dialogue and I don't want to say
healthy dialogue all the time. Um, it's
just their approach, you know, I'm not
fully in agreement with it, but they
want to do it to help those men that
have been duped, uh, instead of being
from taking them from being a simp,
uh,
dignified man that every woman wants and
that every man wants to be again. So,
the way that they go about it, again,
based off of their tenants, it's always
going to be deficient and it's always
going to need work. But it ca became
very popular because they were very
disruptive in the way that they the way
that they talked about things and how
they talked to the females. You know,
they would they would say certain things
that the average guy would not say and
it would cause a lot of uh tension on
the show. Um therefore bringing more
people to watch them. Oh, he's going to
say this about her. He's going to say
this girl's overweight. He's going to
call her fat or he's going to, you know,
they had these sound bites. They would
call them certain names and things that
and the girls wouldn't respond. So that
was what brought a lot of traction to
the show. Is there one extreme to the
next where you have okay you have
feminism how it started why it started
for some rights you have second third
wave and now it goes to total extreme
corrupt like a cancer corrupting women
destroying families now you have red
pill coming to counter that exactly that
was going to be 2.0 3.0 and how men are
going to get, you know, to another
extreme. Islam comes in, balances all
out. Exactly. That's exactly what it is,
man. That's exactly what it is. I mean,
you find some of these feminist
tendencies are in the minds of our
Muslim sisters, unfortunately. Um, and
some of them because they came from bad
marriages and the husbands were
horrible. The husbands didn't know how
to properly treat a woman because a
husband was never taught how to be a man
from his father. Right? So again, it
there's there's a compromise of
leadership, but every single individual
is responsible in front of Allah
subhanahu wa ta'ala. So the red bill
came to serve as an antagonist to go
against these feminist tendencies that
have seeped into society. But then all
because the feminist movement
particularly the second third wave and
the the red pill movement it's all from
Busher it's all from men. Therefore it's
going to have a level of deficiency when
it comes to how you should think of
yourself as a man what you should do as
a man being a vasectomy or even socially
like one of their tenants for instance
is um do not marry women with children.
Why? Because one of the things that they
say is that look um the child will
always come first. She will never put
you first. Has a level of truth to it.
Mhm. Right. Therefore, she's always
going to put you second. She's not going
to have a there's not going to be a
level of obedience in putting you first
in her life. And when you're married
with a woman, you should be first in her
life. Everything else should become come
second. There's a level of truth in
that. But just totally cutting off the
door to say no, do not marry single
women, do not marry women with children.
Islam doesn't call calls against that.
Islam calls against that. So those are
some of the things. One thing that Kev
Kevin Samuel said he and he and this is
one thing he would always he would it
would really just hit home, but it was
has a level of truth to it is where he
would talk to a woman. The woman says,
"I have three kids. I want a man that's
going to take me from my take my kids."
in he's like you you're this age and you
weigh this much and you want a man just
to come and take you and somebody else's
kids. He said he would say something
like you know um you weren't responsible
enough you you were vulnerable enough to
have children before
marriage that shows something about your
decision-m process. So that would cause
a man to think, the male think, yeah,
man, she has kids and she hasn't been
married. How am I going to be any
different? Why didn't she take marriage
as a condition for children? In Islam,
that's part of the dean. Yes, you cannot
have sex unless you're married. Period.
Point blank. There's no if ends or buts
about it. There's no concession in that
issue. That's inherently within
the You cannot have sex. You can't even
have a conversation alone with the woman
in Islam. Islam totally shuts the door.
We don't need these people to tell us
that. But when he brings that truth to
them, some men are like, "Man, that is
true, man. She has kids, man. I'm not
going to go marry her, man. She has
kids. And where's the guy?" And then she
and then you'll find women, they'll say,
"A real man will take care of a man or
take care of a somebody else's child."
Like, "No, not me." Yeah. So, this is
important. You can't be in a room
hanging out by yourselves. God because
the shaitan is and the prophetam says
shaitan is the third of them. Yeah, is
the third of them because it can lead to
something that is not desirable in the
Sharia. And this is uh the concept now
the spinning plates the body count. What
would you say to people like uh the
myins and others who are promoting this?
How would
you what perspective would you bring?
How would you approach this from the
Islamic perspective which is actually
from the divine? No doubt about it man.
So it's like, you know, subhan Allah, I
remember one time Rol Tomasi interviewed
a brother a long time ago and the
brother had more than one wife. Mhm. And
Ro and and Ro was like had a lot of
respect for him. You could tell he had
reverence for him because he's like,
"Wow, you have more than one wife.
You're you're someone that's leading the
life of a man. This is what a man does."
Okay. So now this uh guru in the red
pill movement, he's interviewing a
Muslim. The Muslim has multiple
families, right? And he's admiring that.
He's admiring that for that's his
leadership role in leading all these
families, right? It's a great
responsibility. Yeah. So guys in the red
pill movement, if they see a man that
has more than one wife, they'll say that
it's respected. It's like utmost respect
because you have committed yourself to
more than one woman because in the red
pill movement, they'll say men desire
more than one woman. It's natural. And
in Islam, there is a level of of truth
to that to where if Allah allows it
allows us to have more than one wife,
then there's something that that is
natural within our fra to have that
desire. How we carry out that desire is
another story but it's to show that no
that's there. So the red pill movement
does talk about that but again the right
description wrong prescription spinning
your plates wrong prescription body
count wrong prescription no it's have
your commitment to Allah subhana wa
ta'ala by being someone that is a
protector provider and presider over a
woman that you are willing to die for.
And if it's more than one, then you're
willing to die for more than one. But it
has to have that as a condition. Islam
makes the condition for for for having
children
uh sex and but sex for the condition for
that is marriage. Those other two cannot
happen unless you get married. Period.
But for them, marriage is not even in
the picture. It is in the picture, but
it it's something that for some of them
it's like a dare I say a last resort.
And for some of them it
is you will not find the right one
unless you have more than one. And then
if she's a keeper, she's a keeper. Marry
her. But in this day and age,
particularly in America, it's very very
hard to find one like that. How about
Andrew Tate? How does he he was kind of
uh in in this kind of community? Was he
still in it, out of it? The whole I
don't know if he's still in out of a
male. I mean, alhamdulillah, you know,
he became a Muslim. May Allah guide us
and guide him. You know, he's our
brother in faith. Amen. I mean, you
know, but you know, some of the tenants
that he would talk about again are
tenants that are good for for young men
of being strong, being honorable. Uh the
most honorable thing for a man is to
have a family. The most honorable thing
to a woman is to be the one that helps
raise the family and children. But
again, it is a lot of the the the things
that he would say that would be what
what some consider clickbay. Uh the
aggression that he would talk about
women particularly before he became a
Muslim is something that's definitely
unislam. Uh but in the end of the day,
whether it's Andrew Tate, whether it's
Rolo Tomasi, anyone, they're not our
role model. So that's why the Muslims
should just don't mean to sound cliche,
but the Muslims should learn the sunnah.
When they learn the sunnah, they are
able to see all of this for what it
really is. They're able to see Andrew
Tay and say, "You know what? I love the
fact that he says, "Get up. Get off of
your butt. Go work out. Learn how to
fight." Okay? Uh take care of your body.
Don't eat trash. Get off of video games.
Instead of using the word hustle, we
seek the baraka. We seek the baraka from
Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala. Be honorable.
Don't don't lie to women. Be who you
are. But at the same time, we're not
going to have a webcam business. Even
though that was before Islam, we hope
he's not doing that. And if he does it
after Islam, we totally reject that. We
totally reject that in every case. We
don't own businesses that promote haram
and that promote gambling. We don't
promote any of that. But the good that
he says, we take it. But in the end of
the day, he is not our role model. So
with the message that he was sending and
the way that he was sending it, hats off
to him in regards to embodying
masculinity and being an honorable man
and then him becoming Muslim magnified
that. But uh again with anyone we take
and we we we take and we reject that
which doesn't coincide with the son of
the What advice as we um close up would
you give to young men now? They they
want to do things the right way. They
don't want to spin plates. They don't
want to get a factoine. They don't want
them to be our role models. But there's
some things that are interesting and the
resources now that are out there on this
side, they seem they seem it's kind of
more simpy like or they see it that's
just like really not uh going in line.
This other thing is more the fra is
attracted to it. Exactly. But over here
it can take you down a wrong path. Where
do they go? I would say firstly, you
know, guys need to go and learn more
about the sunnah of the prophet
sallallahu alaihi wasallam. Learn the
sunnah. Learn the sunnah. Learn the
sunnah. understand the life of the
prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam and
how he dealt with these particular
situations. Secondly, I would say I
would say particularly nowadays it's
important for men to get into combat
sports for numerous reasons, numerous
reasons. You learn your reality through
physicality. When you get somewhere with
a whole bunch of men sweating, you know,
and they've exhausted themselves and
they fell on the ground and they've been
beaten. It does something to your psych.
When you face pain and you have people
just clapping it up, saying, "Let's go.
Come on, get up. Get up. Get up. Get up.
You got you got a little more in the
tank." You get up and you give it your
all. You leave home. You leave you get
you go back home and you feel, man, I've
given my all in this. You see your
capabilities. You start to see subhan
Allah. Allah has created me in this way,
right? You're much more honorable
because you went through pain and
struggle, but that translates over to
other things in life. It translates over
to leaving off video games and looking
for a job or facing those fears of
starting your own t-shirt business,
whatever it may be, not worrying about
what people are saying and then
obtaining that money to where when you
go to a father-in-law, you go to a man
for marriage or a sister rejects you,
you're okay. You're fine. But it takes a
process. All of that I think initially
comes from combat sports. So if one
starts to learn the sunnah starts to
learn Islam but particularly learning
the life of the prophet sallallahu
alaihi wasallam they get into some
physical exertion to test their
wherewithal around people that push them
as well. There's a lot of life lessons
that could be and you're so busy when
doing that you're not worried about
girls. You don't have time to be on the
internet. You don't have time for things
that are not going to benefit you
because you'll start to ask yourself
that question. how is this benefiting?
Right? So that's what I would advise in
a nutshell. Those those primarily those
two things. Beautiful. Thank you for uh
I mean this is a really um an
interesting topic. Uh this is uh
something that uh comes alive. Um I
already picked up some some stuff is
really important. I mean getting into
the reality of what's going on and you
know and then discussing this unpacking
it and then giving people the the proper
um uh solution especially from someone
who's kind of filtered out and through
went through a lot of these books and
studied this and
you've been able to um look at it from
the Islamic perspective and for the
people out there what would you say to
uh the Rolos and Kevin and whatnot to
consider if they someone shares this
with them uh how would you coming from a
Christian background uh living a life
before Islam to now being somebody who's
sharing the message of Islam, you live
Islam, an imam in Islam. What would you
say to them to inspire them to motivate
them to to look further like you live?
What's after all of this, man? Like when
you pass away, what's next? We all know
we're going to pass away. I think we can
all agree to that. But everything just
even the whole concept of women being
different than men, there being two
genders, how you can establish another
person from being with a a woman, right?
To have a child, all that is miraculous.
It's beyond our understanding of how it
takes place. And science is still
discovering certain things about men and
women till the end of time that will
happen. So what does that all mean? Who
brought it into existence? I think
really looking more into that once you
understand that God brought into
existence the deity the the one creator
what am I supposed to do after that what
am I supposed to do and that's where I
don't like to use the word religion
because you'll equate it with other
faiths which is fine it is a faith but
how do I show that acknowledgement to
the creator of the heavens and the earth
with the system that he's given and we
believe that Islam is that so look into
Islam look into the spirit of the of the
dean of Islam um particularly in this
aspect of life. You will not find it in
any other rel. You'll find some of it in
other religions, but you won't find it
as precise and as well well thought out
as you would in Islam. So I'd say look
and entertain that and then you can ask
questions to to individuals in your area
that have knowledge of the religion and
you will find things that are very very
very similar to what you're talking
about but has more of a holistic
approach. Shake, I do love the role.
Thank you very much. But Eddie, I got to
ask you a question. Yeah. So you've been
in combat sport force for a while. Yes.
What would you advise I mean when it
comes to you know the single mothers out
there that they come say my child is so
rowdy what do I do with them? What have
you seen throughout the years in doing
combat sports? I mean exactly what you
just said. I mean this is so important
to get them involved. I was thinking
right away like if you look at the
Sahaba, if you look at the prophet
someone who jumped on the the horse uh
bear back you know he was a warrior. I
mean, they were warriors. They were ones
who had the best character, but at the
same time, they were able to defend
their families. Uh, I always think back
when I was interviewing Horian Gracie.
You know, Horian Gracie, he's he's the
one who Yeah. couple times. Yeah. And
then, uh, I showed him a video, you can
watch it, of reaction to a man with his
father. And then the father ends up
getting smacked and the son all he could
do is scream. That's all he can do. He
would just, he was so scared. These are
two Muslims and they're in New York. was
a fender bender and the guy came out cuz
they hit the car and he smack imag
someone smacking your father, right? Let
alone your wife and all this
Islamophobia that's out there, this
hated Muslim and some imagine someone
comes and just grabs your wife's hijabs,
take it off. This is happening, right?
And you can all you can do is be like,
right? All you can do is scream
helpless. Helpless.
Yeah. Yeah. You don't want to be
helpless, right? So all the qualities
that you listed, empower yourself cuz
you got to know how to defend yourself
if something goes down. Then all the
other qualities, all this stuff of
bravery, masculinity,
become a man. It's a part, it's a
component. It's a component. It's a
component. Alhamdulillah. Thank you.
Thank
you. God bless you. Amen.
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