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The Bible led him to this way of life
that's practiced by over 1.5 billion
people from all across the globe that's
right the Bible led him to Islam and
we're going to find out how is this
possible so for our Christian neighbors
friends Jewish Brethren all the people
who are out there who read this book The
Bible how did someone read the Bible and
become a Muslim it's possible and we're
going to learn about this person's story
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theam peace be with
you Abdul Malik leblan leblan that's
right Melvin Melvin how are you
alhamdulillah just said something Arabic
I did what was
that alhamdulillah all praise be to
Allah all praise be to Allah now is this
something that you can find in the Bible
all praise be to Allah uh not exactly
there is uh there is parts of uh the
Bible that gives praise to Allah that is
correct okay so when we say Allah are we
talking about some Moon God who are we
talking about when we say Allah CU we
said this word twice now uh when we talk
about Allah we simply are talking about
uh the one the one God with no Partners
no male no female it's no Partners um
we're talking about the one who holds
can hold the Heaven and the Earth in his
hands who is has not been seen by man
the one who is the
merciful the most gracious the one who
will call us all to the day of judgment
now I opened up the show and this
probably got a lot of people's attention
so they were going to tune out possibly
some people just tuned in so for the
people that are still with us they want
to know how did the Bible lead you to
Islam how is that possible so give us a
little bit introduction to this you know
and then we can really dwell into the
topic it's I grew up as a Catholic I was
was uh an alter boy in uh in the
Catholic Church uh going to church 6:00
in the morning sometime the only one
going to church and uh in front of me
was mostly elderly at 6:00 in the
morning um so I went through um pretty
close to the church all my life uh was
in the military in Great Falls Montana
Hua uh is that is that one of the Hua
were you in the Army no I was in the Air
Force have you heard this uh this uh
shout shout out ha maybe not in the Air
Force okay uh so I was in air force uh
pretty close again pretty close to the
church uh learning the Bible and
teaching the Bible to uh to kids there
uh had an opportunity to become a
minister for an AM Church in Great Falls
Montana uh I decided not to after uh
many days of contemplation and uh scary
moments I I decided not to uh while I
was in the mil military I I studied many
of the different religions uh Hinduism
rosarian a Chen confucious
Baptist Catholic Protestant Episcopalian
and so forth uh but one thing I never
found uh in reading the Bible where
Jesus said I am God and I think that's a
definite we need to hear that because
just as I was at ask you what's your
name and you tell me your name is let's
say your name is Dean I said uh and I
continue to call you Dean and that's not
your name you get very angry with me yes
so that's a very important thing so what
would be even more important was for
Jesus to tell us who he was so if he was
God he would have said I am God but he
never made that statement nor can you go
through the Bible and find out where he
said he he had any attributes of God
that is the merciful the allower uh the
forgiver everything that Jesus talked
about he said I do because of the will
of my father he did nothing of on his
own he never said I am God nor did he
call himself
God nor did he ask of people to worship
him you will find nowhere in there where
he said asked of anyone to worship him
one of the Apostles came to him and said
uh and asked of him how should we pray
and he simply said our father as Muslims
know you know when we translate it into
our father our father in from an Arabic
point of view is the r the sustainer and
cherisher of all the worlds and he that
was the prayer he told that that
individual to pray to to the one in
heaven and also in that prayer it talks
about um asking him for the Forgiveness
of your sins giving him your daily bread
leading you on the right path so nowhere
will you find in the Bible where Jesus
is telling anyone to worship him instead
of the one that have sent him so as you
go through it and you you begin to to
try and understand it better you will
see that Jesus talked about one of the
greatest Commandments the first
commandment
and uh on two occasions uh individuals
came to him one was a lawyer and another
man say what shall I do to have eternal
life what shall I do to have eternal
life the same formula that exists for
all of us from Adam all the way to now
the same formula he said if you want to
have eternal life keep the Commandments
and one of the most important
Commandments is the first four
Commandments Thou shalt not have no
other God but one
God that is the core of what we do as
Muslims Thou shalt not have no other God
but one God so a lot of times you hear
Muslims
say that means there is no God but one
God so many of these examples that I
that I I drew upon Al They very although
they are very simple they they
constitute all that exists for us that
there is only one Creator so for example
if you read the first four Commandments
it talks about iniquity being brought on
the third and fourth generation of them
that hate God when he talks about hate
it means worshiping other than him and
we can see that in our life today we can
see how our Generations over time is
getting worse and worse and worse
because we are worshiping other than our
creator is this now equivalent when you
say worshiping other than the Creator
for people who out of their their love
for Jesus they end up elevating him to
God so they're making a god next to God
is this equivalent to that what you're
talking about Jesus or his mother Jesus
peace be upon him told that they will
worship Him uselessly
the teachings of man nowhere that Jesus
tell anyone to worship him instead of
the one that had sent him so how do we
in the in the opening the Bible and you
have a book called The Bible led me to
Islam so how did the Bible lead you to
Islam I think from from the many the
simple things you know as I begin to
study about Islam I I wanted a book that
compiled everything into one because you
can read some things from Ahmed did that
you can read uh from from other authors
but when I started compiling all of this
and it slowly moved me the the first and
first thing was that clearly Jesus never
said I am God that's clear we got right
that was clear that was right off the
bat so that continued and he never said
I am God so those things moved me away
from saying that Jesus is God because I
do believe those to be very important in
terms of Jesus saying who he is to us
also he never said he is the Son of God
As a Christian practicing Christianity
knowing Christianity coming from a
background Christianity did you before
believe these things that he was God one
in a trinity Son of God absolutely I I
think you know that was the the religion
that my mom and dad gave to me
alhamdulillah it was uh it was it was a
platform but you know just like you and
and others out there who may decide well
what university I want to go to what
kind of uh where do I want to live in
life uh what what kind of wife do I want
to have you know we make all these
choices but a lot of times we we don't
make make the choices for religion we
simply carry our parents religious with
us I think that we have to take that
backpack off I call it the backpack of
religion and put it in front of us and
and go ahead and read the Torah go ahead
and read the Bible go ahead and read the
Quran and make that choice of your own
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with back here on the dean show with
Abdul Malik Abdul Malik thank you for
being with us thank you and tell us now
you're practicing Christianity you're
going through you know the the you know
the
normal worship practices going to church
on Sunday you know you were teaching the
Bible also yes I was I was a a Bible I
was teaching Bible studies to to kids
okay so you knew the Bible quite well I
knew it quite well at what point in your
life did you start to question the
beliefs that were passed down and taught
to
you I I don't know if they any
particular point or or time it was it
was a it was many of the brothers who
were in the Air Force with me we'd sit
down quite often and talk about the
Bible just have a healthy dialogue just
have a healthy dialogue and and most of
us did not believe at that time that
Jesus was God it was a matter of we were
all in what we call kind of a neutral
ground yeah we were simply trying to to
we didn't believe that he was God
because some of the things that
biblically uh it depended upon the faith
of an individual in order for Jesus to
heal them well from Allah can do
whatever he wants to do irregardless of
One Faith or not he doesn't need that
component in order for him to do what he
wants to do so many of the things that
Jesus uh spoke about himself uh what he
spoke about uh Allah um all those things
was was a culmination of things just
things that kind of uh continue to move
you
toward you know it it for for example
there's one in the Bible that says pray
without ceasing yes it's in I think
first Thessalonians play without ceasing
now you you could it's possible you can
do that just simply with your tongue but
when I met this Muslim brother in
1985 when he showed me things on how to
go to bed at night and be in a state of
worship when he told me he taught me how
to uh how to perform wo the same as uh
uh this is all a part of being in the
state of worship how you know when I uh
enter a room or when I exit a room or
when I'm in the in the presence of uh of
of uh of of non-muslims or a presence of
woman of a women uh or when I uh putting
on my clothes he was able to show me how
I can be in a state of I a state of
worship 24 hours a day without having to
keep the remembrance on my tongue yes so
when I met this brother his name is
fousy Senate he's from bahin when I met
him him and I were um in the Air Force
together and uh he had a he had a uh we
were we we were in the room and he his
bed was here and mine was here and one
morning uh if you don't mind me to go
into this one morning um I heard him
making some noise over there at the
sink so I kind of looked up and I saw
him and then he took his foot and put it
inside of the sink and I said to myself
well if that's the way he wash that's
the way he wash so that day when I came
back for my lunch I saw him on the
ground prostrating in the room so I came
and got my stuff and then I left and
then the next day he stayed away that
night the next day I came in for lunch
also and I saw him do the same thing so
that evening I asked him I said uh I
said what are you doing there he said he
said I I'm praying I asked him who you
praying to he said I'm praying
to God I said what God he said the one
God and then I asked him I said well
what religion are you he said I am
Muslim and then I asked I said uh you
know lisis farakhan you thought it was
the nation now I thought it was the
nation yeah I said you know lisis
farakhan he said no I said you know
Malcolm X he said no then I said well
what kind of Muslim are you he said I'm
the old Muslim so this gentleman was
able to teach me the howto everything
that the Bible told us the what Islam
tells you the howtos like for example
honor your father and your mother yes it
clearly says honor your father and your
mother in in the the the the fifth
commandment but Islam tells you how to
do
that there is no God but one God Islam
tells you how to do that pray without
ceasing Islam tells you how to do
that
uh treating your neighbors correctly
Islam tells you how to do that
so when I met this brother I I was able
to bring all these things together
through the religion of Islam because it
gave me it gave me the howto Islam gave
me the how-to the Bible gave me the
fundamentals Islam gave me the how-tos
so bringing those two
together I believe the Bible led me to
Islam so do you see now that you have
consciously chosen to submit to the one
God that's what a Muslim is practicing
Islam submission to the one guy and
that's how you get peace do you see that
remnants of it in the Bible you do do
people if they're looking if they're
those who are Christian those who uh
follow the first five books and then the
Old Testament and New Testament is is
this an extension now is this the the
final completion of all the revelations
and how can people if they're also
confused about the Trinity if they're
also confused of you know of their
religion things just don't make sense
and they want to make sense of it all
and they they're still not ready to you
know let go of what they have can they
dig a little deeper and then will it
lead them to where it led you well I
think you know alhamdulillah we all know
that hi this this nature to become
Muslim or to seek Islam comes from Allah
yes they just have to be willing they
just have to be willing to be open and
let let Allah lead them uh they're
listening to us today they can simply
said I said this when I met
fi I
knew there
was there was five things about him that
intrigued me one he was 26 old 26 years
old and he was a virgin mhm two he was
an athlete a superior athlete and I know
coming up in America uh an athlete in 26
years old uh virgin they don't go
together so you know if you have if
you're an athlete you're definitely
going to be able to either kiss or touch
one but he he wasn't like that uh If he
if he had to fight he could yeah so
there was nothing you know wrong with
him he had brother Ood and
he was religious one thing fousy taught
me because he showed me the spirit of
the law we were watching TV one evening
uh and he happened to see a cleavage of
a woman and he did
this he turned his head like that when I
saw that that told me that's Islam
because the Bible teaches you the spirit
of it so every time he saw he saw a
woman not dressed properly he turned his
head like that that taught me something
that was Islam in action that was Islam
in action so I figured that fousy should
have been on the Oprah winry show
because there was would be no one like
him who would show those kinds of
attributes here in America amazing
amazing let let's before we move a
little bit forward tell us because you
made a bold statement you said Jesus
never claimed to be God never called
people to worship himself a few passages
that people and I'm sure you've heard
these before he said I and the father
are one yeah surely I surely we
I and the father are one not not in
terms of uh not in terms of uh you
know like like the egg having three
parts or like the tree having three
parts not in relation to that one in
what they were he was supposed to do he
simply come to do the will of the father
so what he was supposed to do is the
Oneness of that not so much one in terms
of uh being together three and one and
so forth no in what he was told to come
and do that was the Oneness of it now
someone says you know what I don't
believe that Jesus is God but he said
because it's in the Bible that no one
comes to the father except through me so
I just pray through Jesus because he's
the son of God yeah no that I that have
you heard that before yes that's based
on belief yeah you have to know as
Muslims we believe in Jesus so that's
accepting him coming here on Earth there
are others who do not believe that Jesus
came here on Earth for example I I
mentioned earlier about how do we pray
Jesus told an individual how to pray he
said our father
oh who is in heaven give us this day our
daily bread and forgive us our sins so
all that we can ask for is is written
inside of that that prayer there a very
similar prayer to Surah Al fa which we
have
it's in the name of Allah most gracious
most
merciful so you you have to be willing
you know there's a lot of things out
there that can uh prevent one I had one
one brother over in Saudi Arabia a 35y
old man uh after hearing about Islam
called his father and asked his father
could he become Muslim because there are
a lot of things that can prevent us from
becoming Muslim exterior even more now
there are a lot of things out there that
would prevent someone from from becoming
Muslim just because of the propaganda
but if you read about Islam uh let me
get back to this brother uh the father
told him son if that's what you want to
do go ahead on and do it so there's a
lot of external things we have to kind
of rid ourselves of and uh and for
example when I did the shahada my
shahada I was at a stoplight in Denver
Colorado and I said oh Allah I don't
know Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him
but if FY knows him then teach him to me
so I give the same thing to our audience
today yes they may have heard new things
today go ahead on and say oh Allah if
what these brothers are saying is the
truth guide me to the right path and
Allah will take care of that now
someone's a little bit timid about using
the word Allah we know that Allah is not
a moon God he's not a man or a woman
he's the creator of all that exists he's
the one God and didn't Jesus in Aramaic
didn't he say allaha allaha allaha that
is correct so if they don't want to use
this word they're a little timid how
else could they call upon the Creator oh
God oh God oh God but if they got a
mental picture of him like a old man you
know that with the big beard and that's
doesn't work no because no one has seen
his shape nor heard his voice that's
clearly written in the Bible no one has
seen his shape nor heard heard his voice
so I think it's sincerity it's all about
sincerity inside of your heart if you
simply say in reference you know you
make the prayer because God knows Allah
knows the prayer that you're going to
pray okay so make that prayer and ask
him if what we're saying today is the
right thing bring me closer to it and
with that we're going to take another
break and we'll be right back with more
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alone back here on the Dean show with my
guest Melvin Melvin that's right and
we're almost out of time I want to ask
you a few more questions you have a book
it's called the Bible led me to Islam
that's correct so we talked about that
also you have
a explanation of Islam and it's you know
in a path is called Islam so simple
Islam so simple so can you go ahead and
for those people who also have watched
some of our shows and you know they're
really Ed in what we have to say they
like what Islam is about they like this
this way of life that calls people to
just worship God to just worship the
Creator and to do good deeds righteous
Deeds it calls people to accountability
day of judgment Paradise the wonderful
rewards eternity in in the most
wonderful places that you can be the
parice Hellfire accountability so how do
you explain Islam to those people
without all the confusion making it very
simple I tell them as you mentioned
Aramaic uh Jesus if he was saved the God
he would say Allah if he would say the
God one Allah means the god two Islam is
simply the religion of submission three
a Muslim is simply one who submits those
are three things that we we we basically
say Islam is not nothing new the
prostration of the prayer the
prostration as we prostrate on the
ground we we know in the Bible Jesus
fell to his face many times you look
through the New Testament you will see
they that they say they fell between
their knees so the prostration isn't
nothing new we know that Jesus when he
met his companions he would say peace be
with you as brothers as Muslim Brothers
say asalam alum we know that that's not
new also we the the the oolution the
cleaniness that we do we know that Moses
did that the call to prayer that we give
calling people to prayer we know that
Moses used to do it with a horn there
there is Islam is not nothing new Jesus
peace be upon him did not eat pork so if
my Christian brothers are out there who
are eating pork you know to be more
Christlike you definitely got to get rid
of it so many things like that simple
things that should just just should be
shatter falsehood in our mind to allow
us to say okay for example he said uh we
need to love the Lord thy God with all
thy strength with all thy soul with all
thy might with all thy mind that's Islam
that's having no other partners having
no one not money not desires not lust
not home not work no other no other
Creator but Allah a couple more points
tell us now a person has put their whole
hope and ambition and their their dream
now is to go to paradise and they've
been told since childhood that you know
what Jesus he died for your sins so now
they're stuck here they don't want to
let this go because they feel like
they're going to sacrifice Paradise for
that what do you got to talk tell them
if you want to have eternal life keep
the Commandments one of the very first
Commandments you need to have is Thou
shalt not have no other God but one God
Jesus said that on more than one
occasion
if you want to have eternal life keep
the Commandments the foremost one that
the foremost one is the first four Thou
shalt not have no other God but one God
that is the way you get that is the same
formula that exists from beginning to
end that's the formula from Adam all the
way to to nowadays us that's the formula
if you want to have eternal life keep
the Commandments the greatest
commandment is there is no God but one
God the people also now they hear a lot
of negative there's a lot of uh false
representation by the media people feel
that look you know Islam is about you
know blowing things up and people
getting blown up and terrorism and
terrorizing what do you got to say about
this that's not Islam I wouldn't bring
my kids up in it if that was Islam I
wouldn't raise my kids as
Muslim and I I was raised in the in the
southern part of Louisiana where
everybody raised me and if I did
something wrong down the street my
neighbors would whip me and then when I
get home my father would whip me so I
would
not want my kids to be raised in
something other than what is correct are
you an Arab now you still American what
you know when you become a Muslim do you
become an Indo pack you become a Arab
what what goes on no I'm I'm an
African-American
uh and I'm a Muslim that's it that's it
did you you got to get dipped in a pool
you got to do some some crazy rituals
you don't have to do that it's just a
testimony of the tongue because Allah
knows his sincerity I I work with
inmates and I tell inmates you can fool
me but you can't fool God so if you say
I bear witness that there is no God
worthy of worship except uh Allah then
you have to be sincere about that and
that you can't fool Allah and it's best
for you not to play around with God
because he can you don't want his wrath
to be upon you last closing comments and
suggestions where people can uh get in
contact with you to read some of your
books and also for that person that's
right there they again you know they
like what we have to say they're
confused with all the other the beliefs
that been brought up into and they just
you know the family friends you know the
social environment they're a little bit
you know nervous now they want to take
that step that leap of faith but they
just need a little bit of encouragement
talk to us right there I say I say
Brothers you know you you know what's in
your heart brothers and sisters you know
what's in your heart and you know as as
well as I know um you cannot tell if if
you've never been to New York and
someone ask you how is New York you
cannot tell them New York is bad simply
because you heard it on television it's
best for you to go ahead and read about
it uh the best thing I can ask you to do
is go to the nearest Masid that's what
the brother fousy did to me he took me
to the musjid in Denver Colorado and I
asked the questions I needed to ask
that's the thing you want to do uh the
analogy I gave you can't deny something
or condemn something you don't have
understanding of
okay best to think I give you an example
my father thought I was an Iranian
terrorist because I became Muslim in
1985 and the only thing was going on at
the time was Terry Anderson being taken
hostage but over the years my father
noticed that him and I became closer the
last words that my father said before he
died was give me water Melvin so only
Allah knows that but what I say to you
is just you know read as you did to
pursue your degree what wife where you
want to live okay what kind of job you
want what kind of salary you want to
make have go down and take the books put
the books in front of you and read them
read the Quran don't be afraid of it
when you read the Quran don't read it
like you read the Bible read it so Allah
can lift things up for you because if
you read it like you read the Bible you
will not understand it because it
doesn't have a chronological order to it
it's a revelation so that's what I would
say to the brothers to to don't say
something
that you have no knowledge of go ahead
on and seek it and then ask Allah ask
God to lead you to the right path if
what we are talking about today is the
truth thank you very much may God
Almighty the Creator Allah thank you
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