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where we answer your questions the best
we can and offer some clarity on some of
the things that causes many people to
have a misconception about Islam let's
see what we have
today
okay why would anyone the questioner
asks leave Christianity which is all
about love to enter Islam which is
always associated with violence and
Terror that's an interesting question
simply because the questioner obviously
has been influenced by the media
interpretations of Islam normally the
media which makes most of its attention
and money off off of the uh excitement
of news and the things that that uh show
excitement towards negativities is
usually the only things that makes the
news and so as a result of that many
people who rely on the media whether it
be television newspapers or radio the
only conception they have of Islam is
what they're being told but actually
Islam uh much to the contrary is not
about war and not about terrorism but
Islam actually is about peace and we and
even the name Islam itself which means
the act of submitting to the will of God
that is Islam and the will of God is
peace he created this entire universe in
an atmosphere of peace and our very
nature drives us toward peace and when
we're at peace with creation and we're
at peace with ourselves then obviously
we as human beings not only Muslims but
also we want to be at peace with
ourselves and with the Creator and so as
a result of that we want to just clear
up that misconception that Islam is
definitely not about war not about about
terrorism not about frightening people
or any of those negativities but the
submission to the will of God and that's
the only way we can be at peace with
ourselves to submit to the will of the
Creator who created all of us that's it
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which means peace be unto you for those
that have not learned already many
people have been hearing me say this
quite a few times Muslims know what it
means but I'd like to translate it for
those of our uh Brothers in humanity who
get to hear us this is a greeting that
actually Jesus Christ would also say
wouldn't he absolutely so those who
don't know you this is Joshua you can
hear his story on the dean show but we
brought him back to talk about a very
important topic you heard of original
sin this is what your life was based on
yes and a lot of people are
indoctrinated to believe this that
you're born into sin and someone had to
come which was Jesus pay the ultimate
price be the ultimate sacrifice and if
you don't believe this you're going
where to hell to Hellfire all right
we're going to start the question this
we're going to diagnose this we're going
to try to pick it apart and see where
this stems from where this came up from
and we'd like for you to explain a
little bit about this whole thing that
you used to believe and many people
believe today original
sin well the original
sin stems and gets its or origin in
Pauline
Doctrine um this concept was first
manifested in the form that we see it
today from Paul uh the
self-proclaimed Apostle he uh someone
who never really saw Jesus Christ
himself um just says that he saw Jesus
in a vision he never saw this is a very
important point he never met spoke to
Jesus never met him never saw him there
no evidence and he never claims to have
physically seen Jesus when he was on
this Earth he never he says that on the
road to
Damascus um which was he at that time he
was persecuting Christians he was
killing them um
rampantly he said to have had a vision
from Jesus that told him that you are my
Apostle on the world now then that you
are to spread my message and they said
it was blind for three days and he went
and you know there some things happens
but then he becomes the bearer of this
new doctrine that has never been heard
before in the world uh of of Salvation
and the whole way that he
justifies salvation through the blood of
Jesus Christ is because of the original
sin concept okay hold on real quick
Joshua real quick we know that God has
strengthened uh strengthened prophets to
because anybody can make a claim I'm a
prophet you know but God to show the
people that this is indeed a messenger
of God a prophet of God he strengthened
them we know about Moses splitting the
sea he did certain Miracles Jesus we
attest to those Miracles that he did in
the name of by God's permission but for
somebody to say that okay look I'm an
apostle I'm this I'm that what did this
man did is there any Miracles that this
Paul that is actually the founder of
Christianity did he do anything amazing
besides bring this uh this Doctrine did
he do anything that was like okay
fascinating that was like wow he he made
the the the the Moon split or he had he
did he did nothing of the supernatural
nothing nothing nothing of the
supernatural other than his claim that
he saw
Jesus and then even in his own claim in
his own claim in his own words in one
place he says on the road to Damascus he
saw a light and he could see the light
but he couldn't hear who was speaking to
him and then when he tells the story at
another place later on he says that I
was on the road to Damascus and I heard
a voice but didn't see who was speaking
you know so so conflicting stories also
yes yeah isn't even the story isn't even
we don't know whether he saw Jesus and
didn't hear him or he heard him and
didn't see him so all right so we pass
on from this this is uh now
we go on he he introduces this he
introduces this doctrine of of original
sin through some um verses um such as
for as in Adam die uh um is in Adam all
shall die so in Christ All Shall Live
and he says that you know that through
Adam sin nature passed into the world
into Humanity therefore Jesus Christ
became the Redemption of that sin nature
by shedding his blood and taking that
sin the entire n sin nature of the world
he took upon himself self you know and
and therefore died with that sin nature
therefore those who believe in him can
be redeemed and have eternal life
um now this concept of original sin
nature is not found anywhere else in the
Bible in the Old Testament in the Old
Testament not found did Moses speak
about it I want to Moses didn't speak
about it Noah speak about Noah didn't
speak about it the father now of the
prophets Abraham Abraham didn't speak
about it he never spoke about this he
never spoke about it all right
um the way that they would get
forgiveness of sins was that they made
offerings and sacrifices to God in order
to seek repentance showing their their
sincereness of repentance before God
they would sacrifice and you know they
would make a ritual and only do this
only to God this was their way of
showing that I have you know Paul
streamlined all that you know he
streamlined the process yeah you know
all you got to do is believe Jesus
Christ down on the cross it good you're
good it's kind of like the sacrifice
that we we as Muslims make it's to show
our obedience and then we give the food
to the poor yes God doesn't need the
blood the animal yeah just that's it and
even in the even in the Quran we need
the food we need to eat even in the
Quran talking about sacrifice it it God
says it's not the flesh or blood that
reaches me but the intention of your
heart he says that where in the Quran in
the verbatim last and final Revelation
word of God he said it's not the blood
that reaches me it's what's in your
heart it's what's in your heart your
obedience your obedience to me that you
told me to do it like on Abraham when
Abraham was told to sacrifice his only
his firstborn son who by the way was uh
ishma yes isma was not Isaac um that can
be very easily proven it was not
Isaac it wasn't that he wanted to him to
kill his son he wanted to see his
willingness to do it this is why when he
was ready to do it God stopped him said
you've proven me you've proven your
point so he didn't need that pound of
Flesh he didn't need he substituted
actually with a Ram with a ram he he
didn't need it he wanted to see what was
in the heart so as soon as he proved his
obedience that was it and that's
actually what raised Abraham to the
status uh in Islam he's called the
friend of God in the Bible he was the
friend of God the only friend of God the
best friend like he in in Arabic is
means my best friend he became the best
friend of God through the sacrifice he
hooked up he was willing to sacrifice is
only you want to talk about having
friends in high places you know he was
willing to sacrifice his own son I have
a 2-year-old yeah I couldn't do it right
now I'm telling you today if I had a
dream that told me I need to kill my son
don't think I could do it yeah but
Abraham could but this is how the
revelations used to come to to these
Messengers through dreams and through
their dreams every messenger's dreams
were true were were when they when they
saw these things and dreams it was from
God they didn't have crazy dreams like
we have you know their dreams were
inspiration so our dreams can actually
be from islamically it can be a Dream
from the devil right yeah it can be a
Dream from our own soul from our own
soul just ramblings of the mind or it
can be from God it can be an inspiration
which is one of the 46 parts of
prophethood that are left in this world
yeah is is true dreams things that you
see in a dream and it happens mhm um but
now this original sin nature this
doctrine that Paul spends his whole life
trying
to um indoctrinate the people
into is disproven by the Old Testament
and this was another reason why Paul had
to Paul had to abolish the law he had to
this he had to make sure that he cut off
the Old Testament that this Old
Testament is dead Jesus came he he he
sacrificed himself he abolished the law
because Paul knew that everything he
taught was contradicted by the law he
was contradicted by the law of Moses he
knew it he knew it so he had to go about
saying as he told the Galatians uh that
Jesus Christ came and the law is cursed
therefore Jesus Christ came and took the
curse upon himself by taking the
sacrifice of dying on the cross
therefore forget about the law we don't
the law I want to know from the lips of
Jesus did he ever say that that I'm
canceling out the law by me being
crucified did he say that I'm dying for
your sin that everyone is did he say
anything explicitly like this about this
original sin he actually said whosoever
shall
obey the smallest commandment and teach
men to do so he will be raised high in
the Kingdom of Heaven whoever shall obey
the smallest commandment and teach
others to do so and teach others to do
so should be the greatest in the king
king Heaven he said whosoever shall
break the smallest Commandments and
teach others to do so shall be called
the least in the Kingdom of Heaven now
in Modern English that means obeying God
yeah whoever obeys God even in the
smallest thing will be great and if he
teaches others to do so whoever disobeys
God and the law and teaches others to do
so he'll be nothing mhm so Jesus came to
fulfill the law he's saying obey God
obey the law obey the Commandments yeah
listen to the law of God and God is
saying the same thing God is saying the
same thing because this is how we live
our life you know God didn't just put us
on this Earth and say good luck figure
it out no he gave us you know I I saw a
billboard one time I was driving on the
road and it had a baby with a with a tag
on it that said um um um user user
manual or or instruction book enclosed
and it says don't you wa wish life was
this easy and honestly it is God did not
put us on this life without giving us an
instruction man he did he gave us a law
he gave Moses a law he he gave all the
prophets a
law and we were given a law too Paul was
given a law Jesus was given a law so and
Paul was supposed to be following that
law um but he decided he was going to go
the other way because the very thing
that he taught about original sin is
contradictory to the law of Moses
because the law of Moses says that the
father should not be put to death for
the son nor the son be put to death for
the father Every Soul that sinth shall
die meaning in in in Modern English that
look what I do it's on me what you do is
on you in Deuteronomy 24 it says
everyone will be punished for his own
sin so if I do the crime I do the time
that's it so now if my great great great
great grandfather did something now they
lock me up for it that's unjust you if
anyone said that today like if someone
came and got you and said you know what
your your ancestor so and so killed
people in Europe we we got to get you
his sin nature passed to you you'll be
like you got people will be flipping out
yeah but so you're going to try to tell
me because Adam disobeyed God by eating
from the
tree now now I I have to be punished for
this doesn't make sense and that's uh
what we're talking about today original
sin no no no we say original goodness
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now let me uh go to the question of our
caller which coincides with one that I
had received here I find it here it is
this is asking a question about Jesus
and what do we believe about Jesus can
Jesus be
God first of all thank you for asking me
about my religion that's what we always
say we have the truth and we have the
proof the truth is I can't lie or I go
to hell that's in my religion the other
thing is we have the evidence anyway
what does the Quran tell us about Jesus
we believe in a man by the name of Isa
now if you call him Jesus that's up to
you but we know his name is ISA and he
was a miracle birth his mother was named
Miriam we have a chapter of the Quran
named after her chapter 19 and his
Miracle birth there was no human
intervention here there was no man there
was nobody who uh
fertilized uh any egg and and implanted
it in her like they do in modern days or
anything like that she had a miracle
birth and it was by the will of God
Almighty Allah will it to be done he
says being and it is and that's how
Jesus came about but does that mean he's
God well how is it that we got Adam in
the first place if he was anything less
than a miracle I'd like to know because
he has no father or
mother Adam was created from dirt and
Allah blew life into him and then let's
take the example of Eve Eve was taken
from a bone from Adam we have this in
our Quran by the way if you didn't know
that you need to know that we know Eve
she is Created from
Adam and from these two Allah says the
brought forth many people many tribes
many nations Allah brought forth on the
earth and he made us different from each
other that we recognized each other but
at the same time we look at Eve and we
say we would not worship her even though
she was born and created without any
mother we don't worship Adam we don't
worship Eve so why should we worship
Jesus just because he didn't have a
father makes
sense there's another Point too is let
us look to Jesus and than peace be upon
him did he eat food
yeah does God have to eat did Jesus
sleep does God have to
sleep Allah doesn't sleep he says in the
Quran well that he is Allah beside whom
there's none other to worship the all
living he's always living he's never
been created he didn't just start up one
day no he's always living and always
self- subsisting he doesn't need
anything he's not needy at all and then
it says he doesn't cinoton doesn't grow
weary and he doesn't num he doesn't
sleep God doesn't get tired he doesn't
go into that Twilight Zone of and he
doesn't sleep cuz he's a
he's not like a human so get that in
your mind but now what about eating if
you eat don't you have to go to the
bathroom and you want to say that God
went to the
bathroom this is too much for the Muslim
mind to even contemplate that you would
put God in the
creation although we immediately
recognize from the Quran itself that
Jesus fulfilled scripture he fulfilled
prophecy he came to fulfill prophecy
that he would be the Messiah that he
would be the miracle birth earth born of
a virgin and he was and when he came he
brought a mighty message and the message
was worship god without pardoners to
know oh Israel the Lord your God is one
Lord and you have to love him and
worship him with all your heart and all
your mind and all your strength that's
in the Book of Mark 12: 29 very clear
and that's the message of Jesus not
worshiping him but worshiping the one he
worshiped who did Jesus worship when he
prayed and he said and you pray who to
the one above and how do you pray God
your will be done on Earth as it is in
heaven and when he was in the trials and
the fitner that was coming about in
Gethsemane and he prayed and he was
asking God let this cup pass from me but
even so your will be done who's he
talking to himself and on the cross
according to the people that have him on
the cross the one on the cross is saying
my God my God why have you forsaken me
and we wouldn't accept this we won't
accept that because no Prophet would say
God was forsaken them it's the devil who
was forsaken
not any of the prophets of God they were
always in the best care of almighty God
and this is why Muslims say what we do
we believe that it is true that he is a
mighty prophet he is a miracle birth he
is the Messiah he's Jesus or in Arabic
he's Isa this is our belief if you want
to know more about it though go to the
website for this purpose go to Bible
Islam Bible islam.com
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Islam and Muslims helping you develop a
better understanding former Christian
Youth minister in the studio today on
the dean show and we're talking about
original sin actually original goodness
and let's continue on I want to know
what did Jesus say okay before we talk
about someone who never met Jesus he
never walked with Jesus he never talk to
Jesus I want to know what the Creator is
talking about and this Mighty messenger
that 1.5 billion Muslims worldwide we
love him we Revere him if I don't
believe in Jesus I'm not a Muslim it's a
ten of Faith it's a tenant of our faith
of our faith without believing in Jesus
you can't your your faith is in complete
you're I love Jesus do you love Jesus
absolutely we just testify to that let's
keep
on um Jesus said in John 9 that when he
passed by and he saw a blind man that
was from his birth and people came and
asked him was it his parents sin or his
sin that made him born blind because he
was born blind therefore who was at
fault why why was he born blind is he
being punished because of his parents
sin or is he being become punished
because of his parents sin he said that
um it was not him or his parents with
sin it was so that the works of God may
be made manifest and then he healed him
this man Jesus said this man was born
blind so that I could come on this day
and heal him and show you a Mir God a
miracle of God so he said it was not his
sin it was it wasn't anyone's fault that
he said this it wasn't anyone's fault it
was so that God's Works may be made
manifest also Jesus said that truly he
told his disciples truly I say unto you
unless you become children you cannot
enter into the Kingdom of Heaven unless
you become like children why did he say
become like children because children
are pure children before the age of
puberty and this is judaic law this is
in the law of Moses that a person before
the age of puberty is not responsible
Islamic law same thing before the age of
puberty you're not responsible before
God if I die before the age of puberty I
go directly to Heaven CU I'm not
accountable yet for what I do so that's
why Jesus said if you become like
children then you can enter the kingdom
Heaven what do you mean go back to that
pure State go back to that pure nature
that you were born in because every
single human being is born with that
pure nature that pure nature that knows
that there is one God because Prophet
Muhammad peace be upon him said that
every single person is born as a Muslim
meaning that they are born innately
submitting to God that's that's what
Muslim is one who submits to God to God
so he saying if you like if you if a
child was born and you just leave them
all by themselves they would grow up
knowing there's a crator to all this
here you know I mean they would
understand nly within themselves the
stuff didn't just happen you know but
the but the Christian now uh theology is
that every child is born into sin and
that's just crazy I look at my
2-year-old son and just think that
that's look you look at your child you
say man this child is so beautiful it's
so pure innocent and you tell me he's
full of sin nature if you raise him to
be a criminal he'll probably be a
criminal right but God has put innate
goodness in him that he's good from the
start and then I question also my
pastors if I'm born into sin what
happens to a child that dies at 5 years
old they don't know how to accept Jesus
Christ as their lord and savior do they
go to and there's no explanation in
Christianity for this none so we don't
have God saying in anywhere in the Old
Testament Moses uh Noah Jesus Abraham
none of the mighty messengers of God
ever talked about this explicitly saying
that look Jesus is coming to die for
your sins accept this and you got it one
way to it to Paradise it's not anywhere
explicitly but you got someone else
talking about it Paul so why do people
just fall on this belief I mean we the
evidence is very weak logically it does
not make sense and if somebody now wants
to argue this you ask them would you is
it fair that you sit in jail right now
for something your great great great
great-grandfather did what would they
say no it would say no so tell me what
what uh why do people
now follow something like this just
blindly why do they just accept this
without really uh looking into it
questioning it much there's a few few
reasons um number one and even God talks
about this in the Quran uh the final
revelation relation to mankind that most
of these people this is the way of their
forefathers this is the way of my
father's father you know this is the way
this is how we are and I have people
tell me this when I talk to them they
they'll even say yeah I believe what you
say but I can't leave my religion this
is just the way I am this is the way I
was born and the other one and you're
probably going to get some emails about
this is the easy way out it's the very
it's like that that free lunch that free
I get out free card so get out of Ja
free work for nothing I accept Jesus do
what I want
Mak somebody what makes somebody think
that look you can go to your boss and
say look pay me after doing no work this
life is about struggling striving for
just let me come in punch the clock go
home it doesn't work like that I work
for you I'll say that I work for you but
pay me so now you just saying look I
believe this and now that's it I'm good
I can do whatever I want cuz really
there's no criteria nothing system that
you really got to stly stick by is there
you a Christian tell me no I mean
there's levels of being good Christian
but Christian believe once saved always
saved not all Christians a majority of
uh conservative Christians believe once
you're saved you're always saved you
cannot step out once you have believed
that Jesus Christ is your lord and
savior you can't step out of that
salvation no matter what you do you're
saved no matter what because that's how
Monument that thing is let's turn it
around and go back to something that I
think that anyone with an open heart and
open mind will agree with this and
there's no arguing this that original
goodness it even sounds better just from
the start when you say original sin
you're like uhoh some trouble here but
when you say original goodness you're
good from the start so talk about now
what is what you believe in now this
original goodness where this stems from
and what is the
belief how we achieve and stay on this
original goodness well I believe the way
the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him
told us which was the he was the last
and the last final messeng of God that
came seal of the prophets 610 years
after Jesus
um he began his Prophet Hood 610 years
after Jesus born 570 years after Jesus
he said that and he even spoke of
himself he said I'm the one Jesus spoke
of when he would speak to Christians he
would say that you've heard of me you've
heard of me Jesus told you about me he
said that every one is born as a Muslim
it is their father or mother their
environment that makes them something
else so that's why when Muslims say they
have reverted to Islam is because they
have come back to that original state of
goodness born submission the will of one
true God so people don't get now spooked
with the Arabic yeah that they you know
they come back you revert I consider
myself a revert to Islam I did not
convert to Islam I converted to
Christianity yes through my upbringing I
reverted back to the original state of
being one who submits himself totally to
the will of God and that was my purpose
of creation this is the reason I was
created so this this is your belief now
this is what Islam teaches that everyone
is born pure yes from the start from the
original goodness now when you reach the
age of what puberty puberty puberty now
you're fully sound up here in your mind
you become accountable now you become
accountable that's like around what they
say like teenage years yes for for a
woman it's when they they reach their
men's period and for a boy it's around
15 it's almost close to that age where
even in today's society now you're
accountable like you go you can actually
go to be held like in a adult a go to a
penitenti it's logical makes sense
you're old enough to know what you're
doing there is nothing illogical in
Islam at all because what the one who
revealed Islam which means surrender and
submission is from the creator of the
heavens and the Earth Creator heavens
and earth so original goodness is what
we're talking about today and I hope
that everybody we started off with
original sin and we came down to
original goodness and how do we stay on
this original goodness by continue to
submit the one true God every day it's a
daily process there's no one saved
always saved I can step in today and
step out tomorrow it's a continual
everyday process doing good doing good
so continually submitting this is why a
Muslim prays five times a day because he
has to continue to remind himself to
submit exactly and you know what you
can't do these things on your own so
that's why the last and final messenger
the prophet Muhammad peace be upon Him
peace be upon Him came to the whole of
humanity with the last and final
revelation to mankind which is the
verbatim word of God which is the Quran
it's the most read book today in the
world and we encourage you to pick up
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you have any questions I'd like to thank
you for being with us again absolutely
original goodness and we hope you stay
away from the sin and we'll see you
again God willing under the dean show
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