I want to finish the the Trinity and
then uh maybe maybe for have time and
then we'll close with some tips on
follow now and your question so remind
now a number of things because you know
obviously even though we have two days
together we're still even if I had three
days there's still going to be issues
where you're going to say that guy
ripped us off because he didn't talk
about this or this or this or this or
that so uh there's a there's one website
it's it's probably as far as I know you
could suggest any other one it's it's
basically if you want to find reputation
against bah all right
ahed or whatever it is
whatever it is you go to Allah akbar.
net.net so you go to that and you'll
find reputations for every Mormons
Jehovah's Witnesses just about it's now
it's not very thorough but you know it's
one it's one of the good ones out there
I mean it's better than nothing I say
that's probably better so allahar net so
now there there would be certain issues
that I will not cover you can try to
find it at.net there are some fine
points on the slides that I skipped you
can also get the how to get sh 10
minutes online many websites have it you
know listen Maybe to the later
Parts I don't know 3 four five maybe and
get more of the
info um so let's uh let's continue we
want to we want to end want to discuss
Trinity so we're saying now it's not
just about these are the arguments to
throw at the trinitarian Christian it's
it's about trying to understand the
mindset that they're in that allowed
them to believe in something like the
Trinity I mean it doesn't make sense
they don't really understand it they
don't I mean understand is different
from belief believe they believe in it
but they don't really understand it the
pope doesn't understand it like I always
say right now he's sitting in the
Vatican and he's saying how does that
thing work again because he doesn't know
because it's a concept no one can EXP
and sometimes you challenge people give
me anything in this life that's three
and it's still one and so what do they
do they give you the egg analogy and
they tell you it's like an egg composed
of three things but it's one the yolk
the white the shell three things one egg
now um who has not heard that before the
egg okay so someone who has not heard it
refute it how would you refute it they
tell you it's like an egg three things
but it's one egg so three god father
Spirit son but it's still you haven't
heard it before you have heard it before
never
go excellent very good anyone else want
to add to that yes you
can't uhuh okay so the brother is saying
they have different uh um each one has a
different quality you know one is hard
one is soft one is gooey you know so but
the the sister said the minute you
physically separate the components it's
not one thing anymore you're talking to
me about a god physically that was on
Earth another one physically in the
heavens even if they're both physically
in the heavens they're separate right
because in the books of other acts of
Revelations it tells you that God will
say to Jesus come and sit at my right
hand sit at my right hand so they have
the the god in the center commanding one
to sit to the right even then they're
physically separate so they can't be
there's nothing on Earth that's separate
but one
and the whole one in essence thing it
just doesn't work if anybody ever tells
you look they're one in essence I
they're both God so they're one so I put
three bottles of water on the table you
can say there's one one bottle because
in essence it's all plastic blue wrapper
water inside like I said just let them
give you you know you know again let
them lend you some money compared to the
D lend me $500 and give him1 back and
where's the rest it's it's one in
essence
whole green paper it's got that guy on
it oh May it's not green I keep thinking
I'm in mistake what color is the 100
here Brown there you go Brown you know
they're all brown no problem who's on it
here there's no guy on the okay that's
good we have snow on
it okay um same thing what if they tell
you the flame whatever they tell you you
break them apart and they're different
at the same time they have different
qualities but what if they tell and this
actually with the five missionaries they
said listen they tried the egg we broke
the egg apart it didn't work so one of
them said look it's like water right
water one but it can be solid father
liquid the Sun Gas the spirit so who has
not heard that before so those who have
not heard it how do you refute
it yes they all have different
properties they all have different
properties they're not really coal
okay what else one molecule can only be
in one state at one time the in water
can be in only one state in in each time
but actually they see that actually
under extreme laboratory conditions they
they can be but they don't know that you
can still use
it now it's called triple point oh man
triple point that I didn't know that
thank you so we have to show up from
with that from now on they refer to it
as triple point
like I know all this stuff you know
thank you very much sir what do you
study again I fish studies oh you
finished okay yes so the brother has got
a major in physics and and a minor in
the St Affairs of the
um he said it's called triple point it's
an extreme laboratory condition where
water can be solid liquid and gas at the
same time that looks weird how does that
look
so the but there's one problem with it
the water comparison this is what we
told them the water comparison is an
example of one and three it's not three
in one it's water in three different
states and that's what we told her said
listen understand what you're trying to
do but you're using an example of one
and three to explain three and one we
agreed the Trinity with three and one so
you can't use one and three to explain
it she said oh you're right so when they
exhausted every method and every
explanation in the end she said look she
said look the truth is it's just an
issue of Blind Faith and we just have to
believe it when she said Blind Faith the
others they like they cringed a little
bit and he said well one of them tried
to fix said look it's not blind and
that's what we told her look in is
remember low Point High Point so low
points he made the submission look it's
blind Blind Faith look in in our
religion we don't have issues that are
Blind Faith especially the most
important issues are clear and
understandable so then one of the guys
said look it's not really Blind Faith
it's just that and you famous excuse God
is the author I mean he said God works
in the Lord works in mysterious ways we
said but biblically it says God is not
the author of of confusion so where is
this confusion coming from I I'll give
you another example what happened here
what did I
do okay
ahed you know
the where was I going with this before
Ahmed interrupted
me
mysterious mysterious
S I was going to reference another
story yes there was a family born Muslim
their whole life they were Muslim their
children were Muslim their oldest
daughter decided to be become a
Christian and she became Christian she
used to read the Quran everything became
Christian and they took her to one
person to speak to her and he basically
got into a fight with her so she said
I'm not speaking to any Muslim anymore
I'm Christian and that's it so
there spent months trying to convince
her talk to one more guy one more guy
and she said yes and they called me up I
mean look at that pressure our daughter
became CF and she said she's never going
to talk to any Muslim again except one
last time and you're that guy no
pressure yeah come talk to her I think
like I have some kind of miracle that
I'm just going to so now to make matters
worse she when the day we're supposed to
me and her two brothers go talk to her
she
brings uh the leader of their Church
their priest main guy to sit there and
debate with him so now supposed to
convince her or debate him how how does
that work
so what happened we made an agreement
with our brothers that they're going to
try to occupy the guy in the beginning
give me at least 10 minutes to ask her
so I went to the like and oh I'm in the
same place but ding here is over here
but you can still see us so we started
to so I started off by asking her this
question I said on a scale of 1 to 10
how badly do you want to know the truth
10 being really strongly and one you
know not so much so on a scale of 1 to
10 how much do you want to know the
truth now I really didn't care what
number she said to me I didn't care at
all why couldn't
explain yes
sister that's possible yes you're right
what
else
no yes sir you wanted to see if she was
convinced 100% that she was on
theuh that's all I cared about I didn't
care if she said one or three or seven
or n n it didn't matter what number she
said because if she said any number
she's really telling me I'm not upon the
truth if she said two which is really
low but it's really saying I still don't
believe I'm upon the truth that's all I
cared about I didn't care what the
number was I just wanted to find out how
lost how far gone is she so just like
the brother said she said uh I actually
have the truth so now I know what I'm
dealing with so anyways we spoke a
little bit and then we went and we had
to talk to that and and I had to talk to
in front of this guy so I said my only
my only hope here is to get him to admit
a number of times that the Islamic
concept is better than the Christian in
front of her hopefully that will move
her or nothing moved her she was going
to marry his
son I said yeah she was I said that one
time and the sisters in the audience
said that that's it that's the issue
right there I said yeah but he wasn't
practicing and he didn't ask her to
become Christian they said no that's the
issue right there it was all related to
the guy possibly anyways the point is we
sat down with this guy first question
was how does this Trinity thing work and
he didn't waste any time he said look
nobody really knows how it works nobody
really understands how it works sa with
me a lot of time so now low point you
come in with the high point so I said
okay why would Allah reveal something
that you can't understand and Link it to
your salvation I me does that sound fair
Allah reveals something that humans
can't understand and say by the way the
only way to Salvation is through
believing in this thing that doesn't
make sense to you it's really not fair
and it's like some I know it's an
extreme example but like someone comes
in this room and he says you know he was
going to you know do this certain thing
or you unless they say Rob everybody in
the room that's less violent I'm going
to rob everyone in the room except those
of you who can levitate in the air for
over 1 minute
now you linked me being saved from your
robbery to something that I can't do as
a human being is that
fair it's not fair and probably the only
one who won't get robbed in the room is
me
right there you go no not because I can
because I actually don't have any money
to ro but the point is it's not fair to
link it to something you can't do so why
would Allah reveal something and Link it
to your only way of salvation so then he
start to give me some gibber about you
know the mystery and all mystery I
thought look we can't accept mystery
when it comes to
Salvation if Allah is going to show me
the path to J people that path has to be
clear it can't be in a maze it can't be
we talking about salvation it's not a
joke it the message of Allah has to be
clear so that the severely intellectual
person can get it but also the very
simple human being who is of same mind
can get it as well that's what everybody
can understand smart not so smart they
can understand it everyone can
understand so because it's the the
message of Salvation now there are
issues not everyone in the um can
understand you know you know Islamic
Finance gets intricate know what if
imagine only way to go to Jenna is to
understand Islamic
Finance man see it's not fair so the
easy thing is your road to J so anyways
so and actually he said and and I said
this was the question I said look which
one of these is easier makes more sense
to you that there's only one God who
does not have relatives or children he's
indivisible or the Christian version I
as and I'm not saying which one do you
like more which one do you believe in
I'm saying which is easier to comprehend
the Islamic version of one God who
doesn't have children or relatives or or
neighbors or grandparents or anything or
the Christian one of three Gods
physically separated yet they're one one
of them dies with 3 days instead of
becoming two there's still one which is
easier to comprehend and he said in
front of the girl quote the one that is
more intellectually satisfying is the
Muslim version and I got him to admit a
number of points in front of her that
the one in Islam is better all right and
we trapped him a number of times in
front of her but you know
what she was on his side you know it's
what's our guy going to say to him so my
arguments didn't come through all the
way like you know that you would expect
so I mean uh a lot of times people ask
me what happened in the end I mean I
can't work miracles I mean it's up to
Allah and uh as far as I knew she was
still upon that you
know whomsoever Allah guides and can
misguide him whomever he allows to go
astray n can guide him except Allah you
know um she actually said this to what
the first IM that spoke to her she said
you know I used to read the Quran then I
started to read the Bible then I started
to pray Allah to guide me is the one of
them that's the truth so he said why did
Allah guide me to the Bible then you see
that question what are you going to tell
her how would you answer that yeah was
it really God okay how do you know it
was God why I pray then what else yes
sir everyone he's testing everyone
testing you possibly what else
you pray to possibly but you said I
prayed to God yeah how do you know how
do you know that you weren misguided to
the
Bible yeah very good I mean all all
these are good answer they all possible
answer that IM actually told her he said
to her you know he tells her Allah
punished you because you were born into
the truth knew the Quran and knew his
religion like so many people they go
through Journeys and suffering and
breathing to find the truth he made you
born into it he had you born into it and
you and the truth was in front of your
eyes your whole life and you started
going elsewhere looking for it there a
punishment to from you maybe it was a
bit harsh I knew they got into it a
little bit but anyways um so but the
point of that was that the the leader of
their church we were able to end the
whole Trinity issue and get him to admit
that Islamic system was better within a
few minutes we still didn't open this
book and chapter this and chapter that
it's a count of worms it doesn't end you
know it doesn't end now for those of you
who who are interested in getting to
learn these things I still recommend no
matter how well versed you are that you
don't get into it biblically with people
it just doesn't end you know so many
times we've had discussions on Trinity
and it ended in a few
sentences but the minute you open that
Bible it doesn't end on ifus it just
keeps going on and on you gave him this
verse oh yeah but it's linked to the
other verse actually there is no link
but that's their excuse then you give
him a verse to refute that well this
explanation that's not how I understood
this ver it doesn't end you know so what
you're going to do you got you want them
to think ask a few questions that get
them to think outside of the box the
minute they step out it's easier to talk
to them for them to see all the other
flaws you know it's easier for them to
see all the other flaws that's why with
a lot of people when we discuss TR we
ask these questions and get the outside
of the box you know one and three three
in one how many gods were there why is
there no explicit mention of Trinity
even though it's the most important
thing we try to give analogies we break
them apart so in so now they start to
see by the way and I'm one of the
scholars in the field of rhetor
rhetorical criticism anyone study
Communications
here okay I don't I really want what you
guys study that's great okay um
so he basically he studied conversion
Theory or or he formed something he
called conversion there he studied when
people convert from anything to anything
else from Republican to Democrat from
this to that from Muslim to Christian to
Muslim and and in his study of analyzing
what happens to people mentally he came
up with the the first step is it
involves the breakdown in one's own
belief system see and so someone will
start to doubt his belief in
Christianity and then he might accept
more of what you tell him about Islam if
he still Rock Solid here it might take a
longer for him to get it to take a nicer
look at Islam so that's why when you ask
these questions they first get them to
step outside of that box look this is
what you're believing in it's a problem
you've probably all seen that guy who
who manages the rra temple you know in
in India he's got that Temple and all
these rats and he feeds them and they're
just all over him thousands of rats and
you know and now when you look at it
outside of the box you're like what on
Earth cuz you're outside of the box but
inside the Box he's like these are my
reincarnated
brothers so inside the box it's
different outside the box it's a
different story get him to step outside
of the box he'll see that hey you're
you're not holy you're just hanging
around with a bunch of Wrath that's all
you're doing you know that's outside of
the box that's what it is so okay uh let
me give you some uh you know I'm I'm
reluctant to to spend the rest of my
time on Trinity because arguments are
there okay is that too bad if we skip
all the little arguments that are
already available online is it too bad
okay great it's not too bad so so I'm
skipping that I'm going to ask you one
question here have you heard of
transmigration trans migration basically
it's someone who it's kind of like
reincarnation someone who believes that
you can be you know if you ACC you don't
accumulate enough good karma in the next
life you can become like a rat or a
snail or something like that but then
you can also become a human again
there's hope you can become a human
again so give me some questions about
that yes sir how does a snail accumulate
Good Karma there you go you know and and
there's actually you know you know when
you work closely sometimes with
classmates you got to give him some da
so I had this group project so in the
end I give everybody a booklet on Islam
and and then one of them said actually
I'm a Buddhist That's My Religion so I
asked her do you believe in
transmigration and stuff she said yeah I
said okay I'm not trying to be funny but
I need to you know you can can you go
from Human to rat and back to human
again he said yeah I said okay now I'm
not trying to be funny I need you to
explain to me what kind of activities
does a rat do to get good karma and
become a human in the next life and does
a rat wake up and say today I won't
steal any
cheese what does he do this
rat seriously what does this rat do to
become good a good rat you know so I can
become a human in the next life the
minute I asked her that question a
minute ago she said that's my religion
the minute I asked her that question she
said well it's not really a religion
it's it's it's it's a
philosophy said huh is that what it is
okay so how about this who is heard of
5centers 5centers so one time this
5center gave me a ride to my car he's
telling me on the
way it's just uh who wants to explain
what 5% is are
yes sir
that's I'm they believe that 5% of them
are God and they're usually
rappers I love how you put it it's
excellent yeah yeah they're they're
weird like that they're say like they're
they're the you know the 5% of the
population that really knows what's
going on
yeah arm leg leg arm head
uh
okay I mean they say Allah is it's human
you what's a human two arms two legs and
a head so they say Allah is actually arm
leg leg arm
head imagine it was just SP differently
then what your whole Theory goes out the
window I it's just ridiculous so anyways
the point is this 5% is giving me a ride
to my car and you know so I'm I'm giving
you an example of when you hear a
something that you never heard before
how do you refute it you one you know
that it's not true it's got to have
holes in it if it has holes in it you
got to find the holes that's it that's
all you do all right you know you're
upon the truth so if I'm upon the truth
you're upon false hood and you have
holes in your belief system all I have
to do is dig examine ask questions and
I'll find the holes so this guy is
giving me a right to my car he's saying
look um you know actually I'm God you're
God we're all God you don't have to
worship anybody we're God I said okay
what what makes you God he said human
beings are are Divine because of their
higher
intelligence because they're above
animals they understand they can
communicate in intricate detail that's
why we're God all right so go ahead
refute that even though you never heard
it before someone
knew ran go ahead oh sister let let me
get the sister yes sister
uhhuh you heard what the sister said
some people have like are mentally
is that strong or what what if
you're you're born with some kind of
mental defect and you're not intelligent
what's the ruling in your religion for
those people are they like cattle what
do we do with them they're not Divine
like us should we treat them bad make
fun of them what's your ruling there and
that's all I asked him and the guy that
was it he was something he never thought
of that what's the ruling with one ask
him to fly sorry tell him to fly tell
him to fly okay you're Divine show him
something let me push you off the cliff
on me yeah if I'm a God why am I
poor just pull your pockets inside out
like kind of a broke God is this yes sir
did we become like more God as as we
like scientifically I like like like
like like less God in more God I like
that I never heard that one before you
like that it's great he's saying uh do
do you become more God as human beings
advanc are the advanc in science and
stuff are they more God like than are
they more of gods than the previous
generations or if I'm smarter than you
am I more God than you and what is that
mean yeah what's the ruling what do I
get do I get like you know what do I get
free French fries or what do I get for
being more God than you who rewards me
for that yes sir
then we God why Society is not just like
then it should be oh good so all these
people are Divine and gods why is there
so much Injustice and killing and gods
robbing people what's going on with
these Gods yes sir if we if we're Gods
how come we die and what kind of God
dies but he you know if maybe he means
it that you're Divine but not God God
yes sir if you're God why do you eat why
do you drink why do why do you sleep so
we saying we don't have the attributes
of God yes sir even bees can communicate
very intricately so why why aren't they
Gods okay so what about intelligent you
know intelligence out there you know
what about a chimp that does something
really smart is he God for a day or what
happens on if you're a God then why are
we having this conversation why haven't
you converted me why haven't you
converted me why don't you
telepathically tell me this stuff
yes you when a baby or what point become
man I like that argument you like that
argument yes that's good when did you
become when do you become God because
you know you said it's because of your
intelligence so you become at what point
exactly what level of intelligence do
you get are you born God kind
of what kind of God does that in his
diapers you know at what point do you
become God you know yes sister some
animals have intelligence level of small
children
okay right that's true very true so then
what about those okay last go ahead so
during war do gods kill more Gods during
war Gods kill each other so you look at
the attributes of human beings they
don't you don't look it doesn't fit
right
yeah
everybody who's the servant good
question go ahead um for all gods then
how like how on Earth we supposed why
are we on Earth why are we not like up
in the we why we up there somewhere yeah
what's the purpose of life right
excellent right so I thank everybody who
had your hands up sorry we couldn't get
to you we need
to what are the issues
left what
else what was that the right SE okay
and yeah remind me sorry remind me
the what
sorry oh oh all right but what if I do
this to you Sur you won't get B too
upset islamqa.com for that question
Islam QA you know
it so Islam QA Islam question and answer
islamqa.com you go to the search and you
write and you write right hand
possession
right and the website does a good job
yeah both actually take you there
islamqa.com and islamqa.com both of them
will take but yeah Dash put the dash
take uh so that's where we're going to
do that one and I'm going to have to
tell you for we really need to do
something about that I was going to tell
you that you can go
to but but let's do quickly let's do it
the same St we did the other ones Sunni
versus Shia what are the arguments first
of all which religion did the propham
come with Sunni Sunni Islam when did
Shia Islam show up after the death of
after a number of years when certain
political incidents took place what's
one of the main arguments and of course
to be fair there are different kinds of
Shia right but the main argument you
really is what the main argument just
say
it Ali should have been the first khif
that's their main argument look one of
the
M don't going me started with this guy
now you know who it is he said one time
a guy came to debate him about shni Shia
guy came to debate him so the she said
look I want you to tell me right now
what's the most look how he ended this
issue without opening his book okay
outside of that box he said what is the
most important thing important message
number one message in your religion sh
Islam he said that Ali should have been
Theif he said is that mentioned anywhere
in the Quran he said there's some verses
that kind of hint to
it maybe he said okay let me tell you
the most important thing in My Religion
the most important thing in my religion
is and it's on every single page of the
Quran that's it that's the argument you
get it how can this be the most
important thing and there's no record of
it no mention of it why not you know
there's so many issues and and again the
work has been done you look it up online
so many strong arguments against one
claim of course is that all the sahab
100,000 plus they became non-muslim
after the death of the Prophet wasam
except for four and uh they took the
right of Ali from becoming Theif so
became Theif and and Ali should have
been the one who should have been the
but you don't have okay go ahead how do
we explain it to non-muslims CU they
bring it up okay how do you explain it
to
non-muslims you're putting us back on
track that was really our main point
yeah
we so anything that has that doesn't
have is not part of it or don't follow
it okay so what if you just in a n shall
tell him look follow the one that came
first you ever heard the one of the of
the scholar who was supposed to debate
huh yeah oh really yeah so who wants to
tell it to
us what happened was that one time
sh can you hear sisters they're putting
together this
event anyways um one time that the sh
they put together this event um where
they want to like debate with the with
the Sunni Scholars so the sunnis only
sent like one scholar and what he did
that right before he walked into their
Masid into the into the sh Masjid was
that he uh he took off his shoes and he
put his shoes under his armpit and he
walked um across the rug and so they
asked him you know um uh why do you have
your shoes on your armpits when you can
just leave them on the Shelf he said he
said well the messenger of Allah s wasam
he once said that that never trust a
Shia mid because someone would seal your
shoes so so one of the
Shia he then responded there were no
Shia during during the prophet's time
right so he said then where did you get
your religion and he
left so what you tell the non-muslim and
they found mistake this was an Indian
scholar right
doaa was his name that's the name of
that's what I know it's during the the
reign of
J I think his nameing
huh
J oh really this guy it for me all right
so basically U anyway so the point is
what do you tell the non-muslim
regarding Shia you tell them you follow
the sun of the Prophet that's the one
that came first the Shia came as a
result as a reaction to some political
events that took place and this is not
what was revealed by Allah yes couldn't
you just say to them that you I mean
it's really more of a political skism
and evenia you know I mean they're
Muslim they're Muslim you know if you
ask him you know what's the requirement
you know they'll
say they'll be attachment after that but
the basic thing is they attach to the
of and a Shia is a Sunni is basically a
Shia because right we Ali
linguistically don't everyone's like
linguistically the Shia were the ones
who supported Ali right and it was it
had a different meaning back when they
said were in the sense that they
supported supported Ali but they wer
like today so yeah you would generally
get them to to understand that this is a
like a yeah like political a reaction to
some political events the true Islam is
right here and this is what started
first this what the taught and yes in
allness not all Shia are are extreme are
that extreme but obviously some of them
are Beyond Islam and or outside of Islam
but what else do we have um is this
about to cut there I got what 10 minutes
what was the last thing on the agenda
yes uh who can uh who can come up here
and give us a demo of their rundown when
they give their da talk so just nice and
there's a microphone oh great so when
did this come
here so what we're going to do I want
someone to come up here no pressure but
I want you to be smooth
don't just roll let us know what do you
tell there's n right there just look at
him and call them to Allah who's going
to go
first only the young people want to do
it huh I need someone older for this not
that you guys can't do it
come on that people that table
people
sh somebody
yeah see he's B is like pushing I don't
know why anybody come on it's not that
difficult you want me okay I was going
to give the first demo but come thank
you yeah just just roll like like
there's a person next to you don't look
at me just look at them and let them
have it I mean that
one come a little this way right yeah
he's not looking at me keep the camera
on
him perfect so just pretend I'm talking
to yes he's right
there hi how's it going what's your name
man oh my name is shz nice to meet
you uh so what's your background what
religion do you follow okay you're
you're Catholic all right uh just want
to if I could tell you just a few things
about Islam uh we now let let me ask you
a question first what do you know about
Allah what's Allah okay Allah is the god
of the Muslims okay let me make it
easier a little bit for you just uh yeah
oh go just go with the explanation we're
assuming that you were going to ask the
questions but just for our purpose just
go ahead with the explanation you
already asked him where is Allah you're
just going to say Allah is and just giv
a whole rund down so Allah is the one
God he's Without Partners without any
equivalent he has no Sons no wives uh no
Partners no uh intercessors uh he is the
all knowing the all hearing he is the
the most powerful uh whatever if you put
in your head if you imagine a picture of
Allah if you said okay Allah looks like
this that's not it if all Humanity got
together and decided okay God looks like
this and they drew a picture of him that
would not be it uh there's nothing more
powerful than Allah and he's the creator
of everything everything you can see
everything of the seen and and the
Unseen the it's the Arabic for the
Unseen and uh we as Muslims we worship
Allah alone and when we when we say we
worship Allah alone that means Without
Partners that means we don't uh we don't
ask let's say a person uh a a sh a she
like
a a uh a knowledgeable person we don't
ask that we don't worship them we don't
ask them for help uh I think that's
mine we don't we don't we don't worship
them we don't ask them for help we don't
go we don't let's say go to uh a rock
and rub it for blessings or anything
like that
now what do you know about Muhammad okay
he's the messenger of Islam he's the
prophet of Islam uh Muhammad sallallahu
alaihi wasallam that just means
sallallahu alaihi wasallam means uh
peace and the peace and blessings of
Allah be upon him he is the messenger of
Allah that means he brought the message
of Islam the message of God the way
Allah wants us to live our lives the way
Allah wants us to worship him he brought
he was given uh he was given that by
Allah to bring to us to bring to all of
humanity not just the ads I'm
interrupting you now the guy said I need
to I need to to leave give me your
closing
statements he's leaving now and that's
all he got from your message what are
you leaving with okay you're leaving
okay cool uh just want to ask are there
any more questions you want me to answer
quickly okay no all right just I have
one more question for you do you want to
become
Muslim is there any other thing you want
me to clarify and do you want to become
Muslim thank you very much thank you
appreciate it you can actually put that
clip on YouTube and say brother in
Calgary speaking to Jin you know
it work very
well very much that was very brave of
you and I just wanted everyone to see
how how easy it is it's just really he
was just talking to somebody who was
really nice and and easy he just
explaining as any Muslim doesn't have to
be a smooth speech with no stuttering
and no stopping and no tripping it you
just you talking to another human being
it's no big deal you know so thank you
very much uh anyone else just so people
get get the flow of what it's like hold
I don't want to come up though you don't
can I give you the microphone no I'll
tell you my argument uhhuh basically
when you give him at the D table Christ
up to they tell you they're Christian
you ask them about their they basically
they H for status of the priests what
the status of the
priests and they'll tell you that they
can't marry they can't bear children
so then basically
they're therefore they're giving a
higher status to their priest in
God they can't marry the C like a
Catholic priest so this is an what is
this who gives this argument students
come to you and they say what say like
say like a
um like cath comes to you to get your
down T they won't ask for the slam so
basically you know you ask them you know
about their about their back when and
say they're Catholic MH so in the
Catholic Church the priests they can't
marry therefore they can't have children
mhm but in their religion God has
children so basically they're giving
higher status to the to man than God
okay so you're using this as what
basically a reputation of a reputation
basically like because their God has
children but their priest
can excellent I think there's a scholar
if I'm not mistaken who was IM Anri who
made the same argument that you did when
he visited the you know the church and
he greeted everybody and then he went to
the big shot and he said how are you how
are your children and then everybody got
upset you know his Holiness he doesn't
have children so Subhan Allah you know
he doesn't have children and you claim
that Allah has children you know so it's
same argument that you used uh it's off
the thing is this sorry sorry one second
one second
um uh so getting back to again it's just
a really simple thing you're you're
speaking to these people so this is I
mean some some some guidelines here when
you approach people people during I a
you basically you know you give them
your name you ask you greet them ask how
they're doing you know how you doing sir
how are you doing today my name is so
and so and if your name is difficult you
can simplify I always say my name is
Kamal it's like Jamal but with a K and
they're oh okay or like come one come
all or kill them
all so kidding kiding so then what
happened then then you and then a little
bit of explanation of what's going on
today what's going on this week I also
want to sell the rest of this week right
um you know what well what's happening
on on campus is this week we actually
have Islamic awareness week I don't know
if you're aware of that but perhaps
you've seen the the posters that we've
had now if I just say that he might pay
attention now to the post to the
bulletins as he passes by might you know
want to come to our lecture or something
like that so you say you know we're
having Islamic Awareness Week you may
have seen some of the posters and we're
actually basically out here here this is
North Courtyard right and we're telling
people you we're sharing uh you know
telling people about Islam and and
conversing and talking to fellow
students let me ask you do you know much
about Islam he says yes he says no I can
go anywhere I want it's relaxed no
script it's just nice and relaxed it's
just a fellow student yeah everybody
relax it's just a fellow student you're
talking to it's not like you know I
can't stutter I can't make grammatical
mistakes it doesn't matter you know you
can speak you know you can speak
speaking in bonics if you want we be out
here we
trying doesn't
matter you know I don't know how to
speak but whatever you want just it's
just you talking to a fellow student
it's relaxed relax relax and inshah what
we'll do those of you who come and I'm
assuming I will be there the whole time
right ahed right Hamza so basically uh
you know feel free we can go you can be
partners with me I you'll learn anything
phenomenal we just walk around together
just so at least you can you can see
that it's really relaxed you know we
joke and and a lot of times we have
jokes with inside our da thing like I
told you the other day when when they
say about violence in Islam and tell
them you know Islam commanded us to be
violent we wouldn't be talking right now
we laugh you know we talk and then you
could just you know and you have you
know you have five minutes or you are
you on your way to class you have five
minutes I'll tell you a little bit about
Islam you know we're promoting you can
use those little buzz words you're
promoting uh peaceful coexist we're
promoting Mutual understanding whatever
it is that stuff just talk talk talk
chit cthat you know so give him a quick
thing on you know and then in in America
I don't know how it is in Canada in
America uh people don't like it when you
say what religion do you belong to so
that's why you always say and just kind
of like sh said what's your background
so he might say my background is back
Baptist but I'm not anymore so that's
why when you say background it makes it
a little smoother you know uh so uh so
just you introduce yourself tell them
what this what's happening here it's
Islam awareness Islam Awareness Week you
may have seen some of the posters around
and we're actually out here we're all
sharing information about Islam telling
people about Islam do you know much
about Islam sir or or ma'am and then
they tell you yes or no and and then you
explain to them this is what I would
like everyone to do from here until the
next until it starts think of what what
is your script okay have a script ready
in mind you know when you're driving to
work or school just practice it you know
practice your script make sure it has a
little short part about Allah a little
about the prophet some of the pillars of
Islam and then say you know then you
might ask a question so everything that
I explained does it make sense anything
that cause you friction or make you
uncomfortable no well you know what now
and what's the other issue we forgot we
get the name right Joseph so and you
know what Joseph we actually now have
the ingredients of becoming a Muslim
Joseph so we'd like you Joseph to become
Joseph a Muslim Joseph and that's it use
that name ask them to become Muslim they
say yes they say no whatever that from
their response you can see he like that
means I can encourage this guy if he
says then you know okay well I still
need to explain a bit more to this guy
you know and what if he says no no I'm
not interested don't have time well okay
well thank you very much at least let me
interest you and perhaps I can interest
you in reading this uh pamphlet if you
have any questions we're going to be
here all week every day from 9 to 3 from
9: to 3 and and uh you know hope to see
around if you have questions if I'm not
here some of my friends will be here
tomorrow right in this place and that's
it do you see how it's so relaxed and so
easy it's really a fun and easy thing
okay there's no pressure you don't have
to be 100% on the you
know so another demo or what are we good
time's up
n one from me or from someone else from
someone else right I say P for P for
we get serious for a minute
no actually have never ever said that
poem with sisters in the room ever okay
we'll shut the camera off it's not but
the sisters are still in the
room
now
no okay with it like let's just get well
if you're going to sit for 5 minutes for
a poem let's do another demo in 5
minutes but no one wants to go except
the young man yeah
yeah I have this bad habit when a young
kid ask me me I always say no my
grandmother one time I was giving this
lecture mid was packed full of big guys
and stuff and this little kid said me
and I just forgot where I was no my
grandmother yeah
you but it work pretty well everyone
loved it yes sir talk to the guy right
there tell them your name greet them
tell them your name tell them a little
about Allah Prophet if you want pillars
or maybe I'll stop you there go ahead
uhum my name is Omar
and what's your name um okay and what's
your
background okay you're a Christian um um
Muslim
and
um what how much do you know about Islam
good so you just
oh you don't know much okay
um keep go
um if you want to stop anytime feel feel
free no pressure how much uh tell me
about Allah how much thoughts do you
believe okay he tells me three okay
three I believe in one God and it's
Allah and the messenger is
Muhammad and
um and I uh we have five pillar
and uh we play five times a day and F we
play t in we play Four n we play Four
we I just want tell we let you go
explain to them how someone can become a
Muslim or what you need to become Muslim
uh if you want to become a Muslim you
have to
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say and you got to uh
like you got
to um which means basically that you
have to believe in you have to believe
in one God and a messenger of Allah okay
thank you will let you thank you very
much appreciate okay very good right
so um but no if you did learn anything
you learn that as much as you already
know Islam you already know the pillars
you know the you know all of that you
did I hope you realize now that even
though you know this stuff it's
important for you to have this script
mental all right so can we all do this
and just real relax nice and easy from
now until the next week can we all have
put together mentally what we want to
say because you know du they always have
the same thing and they go over it and
it's smooth and fast why not because
they're brilliant because they've been
doing it a lot that's it smooth and fast
okay so I'll give you a quick demo and
then we'll end with that all right so I
did all the greeting this is I a w and
all that stuff so basically we're out
here telling people about Allah and by
the way Allah is just you've probably
heard that name before correct Allah is
just the name of Allah in Arabic it's
not a different God or anything that's
why when you go to an Arab country if
you go to a church there they actually
say Allah and the Bible says Allah as
well can you understand that point okay
great so basically Allah is the one God
and in Islam there he's not divisible he
doesn't have children or relatives or
grandparents or anything like that and
out of his fairness and his Mercy he
always sends prophets and Messengers to
warn people to tell people that there is
of God to teach people the rules the dos
and don'ts of life and to let people
know that there's there is a day of
resurrection and because you said you
were of Christian background you
understand this concept of reward and
punishment that people will be held
accountable for their deeds and so out
of the fairness of Allah he always sent
prophets and Messengers to warn people
but sometimes they would kill his
messenger sometimes they would believe
in him but after he dies they they alter
or change his religion so again out of
the fairness of Allah he keeps the truth
here on Earth he sends another prophet
and another and another and that's why
you find biblically the names of so many
different prophets Abraham lot Moses
Solomon David and this goes on and on
and that's why also as in Islam we
believe that or Jesus was one of the
prophets of Allah because if you look at
it he came with the same message as all
the prophets before him the same Ten
Commandments they worship God do not
worship anything alongside him or be
besides him or with him so that means
then it's very possible that he could
have been one of the prophets of Allah I
mean would let me ask you this not do
you believe but would you would you say
that it's logically possible Jesus could
have been one of the prophets of Allah
see that question logically
possible allows you to to get a yes
because it's logically possible I'm not
saying is that what you believe is it
logically possible yes because he he
would always say my father who has sent
me he would worship God himself like all
the prophets worship God he would tell
his disciples worship the father who is
in heaven and again he never once said
by the way I'm God worship me he said
worship the father who's in heaven he
worshiped Allah as well so it's
logically possible Jesus could have been
one of the prophets of Allah and this is
what we believe in Islam then we believe
that that Allah sent a prophet after is
you know 600 years later the prophet
Muhammad s alaihi wasallam in Arabia and
he came again with the same basic
message you know there's still only one
God that worthy of worship do not
worship anything else besides him or
with him and the Ten Commandments remain
the same you still honor your parents
you're good to your neighbor you don't
lie you don't steal you don't commit
murder and so is it also logically
possible and I'm not asking you if you
believe this is it logically possible
that could have been that Muhammad wasam
could have been the prophet of Allah
sent with a message similar to the
message of all the prophets before him
and of course it's another question that
gets you a yes only if they say no no
you ask again if Allah wanted could he
have sent someone after Jesus answer is
yes so basically this is the most
important thing about Islam and this is
the the you know in in essence
Christianity Judaism Islam they have a
lot of things that are very similar but
we separate or we're different when it
comes to these issues and so Jesus for
the Muslims was one of the prophets of
Allah he's one of the five greatest
prophets but still he's a prophet and
not the Son of God and as you probably
read in the Old Testament any accusation
of any God besides Allah was strongly
strongly rebuked
or Allah warned of it strongly in the
Old Testament so the point is I want to
and of course I'm skipping all the parts
what I would get back and forth from
them uh I want to explain to you in the
time left because I know you need to
leave the five most important issues in
Islam we've already discussed and these
are known as the Five Pillars and then
you would ask if they're familiar with
them or not you know the first one we
already discussed it is that Allah is
the is the only God worthy of worship he
has no Partners whatsoever and that
Muhammad is his servant and his
Messenger s Alam not his right-and man
not his helper just his servant and his
messenger and this then we go over the
other pillars it takes about 40 seconds
to go over them Salah Zak this this and
that any one of these cause you problem
any friction so well I'll tell you what
Jason you know what what we just
discussed right now and you said you
don't have any problem with what we
discussed everything made sense to you
you actually right now Jason have the
ingredients of being a Muslim you know
so you know by the way are you do you
know how you become a Muslim this is in
in the case where I'm trying to get him
to become Muslim it might be where I'm
just trying to get him to become
acquainted with is with Islam but that's
barely the case for me I'm just trying
to get him to become Muslim so here I
tell them look you know do you are you
aware or do you know have you any idea
how someone becomes a Muslim basically
to become a Muslim there's no 40 nights
or 40-day Journey or anything that you
have to do that's difficult all you have
to do is just say with your tongue and
believe in your heart what you just said
you don't have a problem with we just
agreed on these Concepts that's how you
become a Muslim so you actually now have
the ingredients of a
Muslim you're actually ready to become
Muslim so what do you say you think you
why you become Muslim right now they say
yes aldah if they say no well okay
that's fine I mean OB obviously no
pressure we're only out here to tell
people about Islam but I'm just curious
I wanted to ask you what would stop you
from becoming a Muslim right now and if
he says whatever it is and try to find a
solution for It Go For The Goal gently
one more time if it doesn't work well
you know what Jason you know it's been
nice talking to you I'd like to thank
you for your time I would like to give
you a pamphlet and we're going to be
here all week so if you have any
questions you can feel free to come by
or you just want to you know come hang
around the chitchat that's also you're
also welcome to do that right and that's
it you let them go take care did that
sound very
difficult okay but it was a little
smooth right not because oh I just made
it up because I've been repeating the
same thing for years and years and years
so it's so simple just practice it in
your car have some kind of idea of what
you practice It Out Loud by the way yeah
you're alone in your car I know nobody
knows you're crazy except
you you know I used to practice a lot in
my car and sometimes be driving my kid
brother small guy I drive into Taw and
I'm practicing every time he ask me why
do you speak to yourself and I would
always tell him I'm practicing his
speech practicing then one day I'm
driving him and he's speaking to himself
I said what are you doing he said I'm
practicing a
speech so practice your speech and um
what can I say it's been oh it's been so
great for me it's been so fun I enjoyed
it like to thank you all your excellent
manners for your input and for your
tolerance with all my jokes sisters and
very very sorry I didn't always you know
see when your hands were up and
sometimes you couldn't hear I apologize
for that I also apologize for all my you
know crazy jokes you know but I was just
trying to make things fun so we won't
spend two days with just dry material so
I hope you all enjoyed it I hope you all
apply review your notes before uh
I practice your your little uh any
speech and you know practice it out loud
and you might practice on your friend or
your family members or your wife and
then when the day comes introduce
yourself relax take a deep breath
chitchat maybe for a minute or two about
something else and then start talking
about Islam and just walk around having
fun and making friends with people it's
that easy and you have fun and you get
reward for it inshallah as well again
for your attentive listening and for
being an excellent host and excellent
crowd there is um you know the dates
there is an announcement about some
webinar that's tomorrow that doing it's
about an hour long and the details I
think they know
it will announce it but