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alhamdulillah alaykum peace be unto you
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now today's guest when we come back you
can see his story and how he accepted
Islam Imam kasim who went from being a
Baptist Christian to the Nation of Islam
to Islam which simply means surrender
and submission to the creator of the
heavens and the Earth summed up with one
word Islam now when we come back we're
going to be talking about his days with
the Nation of Islam because there's some
people here who might be
confused Islam Nation of Islam what does
it have to do with Islam so we're going
to try to educate the sincere humble
truth Seekers out there you don't want
to go nowhere we'll be right
back there's only one muham is his
messenger
Allah
Allah there's only one God and Jesus was
his
messenger I don't know why I did that
maybe maybe it's just to break the
ice in the name of Allah the most
compassionate the most merciful I
testify and I bear witness that Allah
alone is worthy of being worshiped and
that Muhammad IB Abdullah who lived
1,400 years ago in Arabia he is the
slave of Allah and his messenger and he
is the last
messenger every Muslim believes that
Muhammad is the last prophet as for
those people who say that another man is
a prophet after Muhammad like the black
people Nation of Islam they call
himself then there's no racism in
Islam the prophet Muhammad the real
Prophet Muhammad 1,400 years ago taught
that there's no difference between the
white man and the black man there's no
difference between the Arab and the
non-arab except in one thing the one
thing is the degree to which you worship
your lord you fear Him and you obey him
TAA that's the only difference between
the people
Alum how you doing good
alhamdulillah
imim here on the dean show H once again
once
again you have a we have a show that we
did with you people can go to the Deen
show.com it was labeled and we were
actually talking about your days of
being a Christian and then how you went
to the Nation of Islam so people can go
to the website it's under the section
Americans who have accepted Islam and
they can see this two-part episode that
we did it's very enlightening and
interesting story now today we want to
talk about a little bit about your days
with the Nation of Islam because there's
some confusion out there people think
that this is kind of the same thing
because you have the name Islam which is
used alongside with the Nation of Islam
so let's start with what are what is
This Nation of Islam let's start right
there what is this well it was easier
for me to talk about what it was yeah
than what it is now um because I'm not
connected with it now and is and a lot
of the brothers who I know personally
now they're a part of the Nation of
Islam most of them um weren't part of
the the original Nation of Islam so and
so I'm not so what I I like to talk
about what it was because I was part of
what it was okay so when you were part
of it back then what was it and you were
actually if I might say you were a
minister right yes okay yes the Nation
of Islam actually was a organization
that was set up with a more or less a
nationalistic base M um actually there
was a a strategy that learned later was
a strategy by Elijah Muhammad um to uh
stop the the African-American or black
people whatever names we want to call
them um from from blundering themselves
with the
immorality and getting caught up in many
of
devices that have been become popular
here in America and so the Nation of
Islam although it appeared at the on the
at the outset as being a religion it
actually was a way to make the
African-American or black people focus
on themselves and focus on improving
themselves and improving their their
Outlook and raise a level of
self-respect for themselves MH that's
how it started so what were the because
now if we put it next to Islam Islam
which is the Arabic word which means
surrender and submission devout
obedience to the one God right now what
is there or what are their core
teachings can you tell us now what when
you were introduced to this what did you
believe did you believe in a God uh do
they believe in the last and final
messenger what was the Creed the crust
the focus the focus was was um reverse
psychology yeah because the
African-American or black people during
that time during it the 50s 60s and so
forth even into the 70s um actually
during that time of the creation of the
Nation of Islam uh had um been taught
that the um the white race was Superior
yes and then uh and and that the right
white race had been guilty of many many
uh uh
atrocities that are very well documented
and so Elijah Muhammad uh his idea and
his his strategy was to make the black
people focus on improving themselves and
so he used reverse iology so where we
have been fed a complete diet of white
supremacy he began to feed feed a diet
of angry uh uh and vindictive black
people a a serious diet of black
Supremacy so he kind of reversed that
psychology you know to make us focus on
ourselves so when we so when we develop
the morals that he was teaching us uh at
that time that that we shouldn't smoke
cigarettes we shouldn't drink we
shouldn't use drugs we should use
profanity we you stay clean and all of
that then then he was teaching us that
by doing that we were actually doing the
actual reverse of what the white slave
masters wanted us to do be so so we so
we actually uh we're cleaning up
ourselves more or less as a grudge we're
cleaning up ourselves only out of spite
said no you're not going to tell us
you're not going to feed us the drugs
you're not going to feed us the alcohol
you're not going to feed us profanity
and x-rated movies you're not going to
feed that to us you know because just
despite you because that's what you want
us to do then we're going to stay away
from all of that and and and we were
taught that that was Islam and so now uh
so the so the U the language that began
to Echo Across America of the white man
being the devil was seemingly justified
by the treatment that white people have
been giving black people over the years
the slaves that were brought over to
America were treated worse than any
slaves in the history of slavery
anywhere in the world the slaves were
brought over to America were not only
robbed of their freedom they're robbed
of their name robbed of their culture
you know so it was easy to tell these
people who have been experiencing all of
this with all of the lynchings and rapes
and murders and things that been going
on in America it was easy to convince a
country full of angry black people that
the white man was the devil because only
a devil would do the things that would
had being done so it was easy for him to
feed us that and give it any kind of
title so so we didn't try to uh to
challenge any research that was that may
have been done or may have not been done
by Elijah Muhammad when he gave what he
taught us the title Islam we just
accepted that okay this must be Islam
that we're supposed to not drink and
smoke because that's what the the devil
who we believe in our mind was the white
man wanted us to do we shouldn't drink
and use drugs and alcohol and and stay
filthy and dirty we shouldn't do that
because that's what the devil who
brought us here the devil who took our
names the devil that took our that's
what he want us to do so it's easy to
convince these black people that that
this was Islam he really could have
given it any kind of title and we would
have accepted it anyway because we
didn't want to trust anything white at
that time that's what was the climate of
America at that time MH so Our intention
here with this show is to really because
there are a lot of sincere men and women
who are searching for the truth right
and there was a well-known popular
rapper
named Snoop Doggy Dog MH and he just had
declared his conversion to the Nation of
Islam so for myself and many people who
sit back and they see this we see him
going in the wrong direction okay
because we know that Messengers are sent
throughout time right these Messengers
never called people to worship
themselves to worship the Sun the moon
they all called people to worship the
one God they all called to the same
message of surrender and submission to
God alone and not his creation which is
in Arabic summed up with Islam now we
have the last and final messenger who
came the prophet Muhammad peace be upon
him but now when you look at this nation
what they call it of Islam and like I
said we don't want to upset nobody hurt
nobody's feeling we want those sincere
and humble people who might have fallen
into this just like you were a part of
this we want to see what truly Islam is
that Universal way of life that brings
together the black and the white doesn't
matter from where you are right if
you're from another planet I mean and
you are uh we we are here for a purpose
and that purpose is not to divide each
other according to our race and it's
skin called okay so the thing is now
what I what I want to know is how could
somebody who is stuck in this let's say
we got Snoop Doggy dog's attention how
can we talk to him and show him that
actually you got to take a little deeper
look into Islam the Islam that was that
was uh brought back revived by the last
and final messeng of prophet Muhammad
rather than the Nation of Islam right
easy if you when I first started my
response to you I mentioned a strategy
Yeah by Elijah Muhammad I really do
believe that his intention was was to
clean up the black people and make them
focus on on on paying attention to
themselves without the without the
distraction of any type of global Unity
because that would have been a
distraction so I believe it was strategy
and we just needed to be cleaned up
because nothing was going to clean us up
before yeah you know I was a Christian I
was in the Methodist Church the Baptist
Church I was in the Kingdom Hall as
Jehovah's Witness and nothing gave me
the inspiration to clean myself up so
Elijah Muhammad when he saw this country
full of angry black people that was his
strategy to get him cleaned up and he
once he got him to that point and he got
their attention to focus on cleaning
himself up and his mission was over
that's the the time that almighty God
Allah subhah waala
caused Elijah Muhammad to pass away in
The Honorable W Dean Muhammad I call him
honorable because he had a very
honorable life and he had impeccable
morals the Imam W Dean Muhammad took
office in
1975 in 1975
things begin to change that's when um
Elijah Muhammad's mission was over he's
like he came in a cleaned house okay
it's clean the house is clean now now
let's go in and start enjoying this
house so so uh Imam WD Muhammad took
office and he had already been studying
the purity of Islam he had already
learned to read the Quran in Arabic and
became fluent in Arabic he already began
to understand a Tere of the Holy Quran
he already understood the real five
pillars of Islam the the making salot
five times times a day they're praying
in the proper month of Ramadan he had
already studied that but he now had to
use the strategy to gradually bring
these former followers of his father
into the true Islam so he didn't um cold
turkey this community he performed um
might what might some may call a modern
day Miracle because from February 1975
to December 1975 almost a quarter of a
million people took shahada or or or
proclaimed
muham under the leadership of IMD
Muhammad so what he began to do he said
okay now that you're cleaned up I'm
going to show you how to stay clean now
I want to introduce you to the real
Quran the real messenger of Allah who is
Muhammad IB Abdullah of 1,400 years ago
prayers and peace be upon him I'm going
to introduce you now to the real month
of Ramadan which is according to the
lunar calendar changes every year and
doesn't Co correlate with the Gregorian
calendar
and the real harsh the real pilgrimage
is not to Chicago Illinois but is to
Mecca Saudi Arabia and and so these are
the things that we have to uh that we
begin to learn under Imam WD Muhammad
and also more importantly is that Islam
has zero to do with skin color the Islam
has zero to do with
nationality unlike what most people
think the minority of Muslims of the
world are in Saudi Arabia yes the Arabs
represent a minority of Muslims the
greater majority of Muslims were in
other countries like Indonesia and China
and so forth you know so Imam WD
Muhammad began to teach us uh in 1975
those of us who had come through that
experience that Islam is colorblind that
almighty God Allah who created us he
chose our skin color there's no reason
to be proud about your skin color
because that's something that we didn't
choose that he taught us that the only
thing that we have a right to be proud
of is something that we made a choice to
do we could be proud that to to have
accepted Islam because we made a choice
we could we could be proud to accomplish
things that other people benefit from in
our community but we don't choose our
skin color we don't choose our
nationality we don't choose where we're
born we don't choose the day that we're
die the day that we die and all of the
but all of the basic um moral ethics
that were taught to us by Elijah
Muhammad Imam WD Muhammad encouraged us
to hang on to those morals just to hang
on to keeping our bodies clean to not
drink and smoke and use drugs and and
and U commit fornication and adultery
and avoid avoid profanity and still
dress modestly when we go in public
these are the basic ethics that were
taught us by elij Muhammad but the basic
AA of Islam or the Oneness of God and
not placing One race of people over
another race of people this is what is
this is the core of Islam that Imam WD
Muhammad began to teach us in the proper
way to worship ship almighty God so so
anything else all the other things that
we that we were taught in the nation
there was a lot of good in the Nation of
Islam the unity the real Unity working
together building businesses and so
forth all of that was good the only
thing that we left behind those of us
who made a a successful transition into
the Sunnah or the proper way or some
called Orthodox Islam the only thing
that we chose to leave behind was the
Sherk and that is associating Partners
to God we were taught that God came in
the person of Master farad Muhammad
that's not true we didn't know that but
IM WD Muhammad taught us that God
doesn't have to appear in the person of
anyone and God doesn't need a son a
daughter a wife a partner a mother a
father that God doesn't need any of that
because he rules the universe alone that
all that that we learned now and many
Muslims now are accepting Islam that
never experienced the Nation of Islam
there's many Muslims throughout the
world and here in America they came
straight to sunna or some calleded quote
unquote Orthodox Islam without the
experience of the Nation of Islam so
they didn't they didn't feel that
struggle of of of that change of that
metamorphosis that we went through and
that Pro in that process of of changing
from from polytheism to Sherk and now to
Ted and so now the the truth of the
matter is is that some of us who did
come through that experience we can we
can better appreciate and communicate
with people who might still be addicted
to or attracted to the racism that that
that began to to saturate um what we
thought was the Muslim Community at that
time was a Nation of Islam so this is
something that's very important that we
want to if we want to really experience
and live the truth we have to clean our
hearts of of any nationalism racism
anything that now I'm better than this
person because of my skin tone my race
my nationality this is a big no no is
that it's definitely no no no no don't
get me wrong Eddie there's nothing wrong
with paying attention to the plight of
of of the people who you may identify
with yeah there's nothing wrong with
with paying attention to the plight of
the people from Bosnia or West Africa or
czechia or Pakistan or or wherever or
wherever you're from there's nothing
wrong with paying attention to the
plight of the African-Americans who may
be needy who live here in America yeah
there's nothing wrong with that but we
can't confuse that with religion yeah we
have responsibility according to the
Holy Quran to care about all the wayf
fars to care about anybody who is needy
we have a
responsibility to to make sure that um
that that our brothers and sisters who
don't have what we have get some kind of
attention Allah tells us that be kind to
the
Wayfarers but also we have to be very
very careful to not confuse that type of
care that type of concern with W with
with religion that the the the the
religion Allah says in the Quran that we
have created you many colors and
languages that you may get to know each
other and then some Scholars add a add a
little quotation to that is not that you
may despise each other but but but the
the key is Allah has given us that
ability uh and this this variety so we
can communicate with each other but but
before you can get to know each other
you first have to get to know yourself
and so so the nature in which we were
created see Allah addresses us according
to our nature and our potential he even
addresses Us in the Quran according to
our nature and our
potential all you who believe all you
who have been entrusted with this Dean
or this religion what are you going to
do whe are you going to work righteous
Deeds so Allah says and and when he uh
revealed the Holy Quran to Prophet
Muhammad s alai wasallam Prophet
Muhammad IB Abdullah of 1400 years ago
in the cave the first thing he uh
revealed to him was to pay attention to
the clot
because the clot represented potential
he
said recite was the name of thy Lord who
created man from a clot of congealed
blood so this this um this clot
represents the potential and so that
that's inside of us the potential of all
of us is to accept Islam so if a person
stands up and says I bear witness that
there's no God but Allah and I bear
witness that Muhammad peace be upon Him
is a messenger of Allah they're bearing
some they're giving birth to something
something was already inside of them
because Muslim means one who has the
nature to submit to the will of God and
we all have that nature and once we bear
witness or give birth to that nature by
declaring it publicly that's what
officially puts us in the family of the
worldwide family of Muslims and and and
Muslims cannot you can't put color
labels and National labels on Muslim
because when we die and we go to the
after life and we stand up before
Almighty Allah subhana waala to face our
judgment there's no conversation about
what country you came from or what
language you spoke or what color your
skin was yeah this makes sense so this
is a very important issue that any
sincere person can see that now we
should get away from this and if this is
the teachings of any way of life that's
from the creator of the heavens and
earth it should have none of this
whatsoever because you didn't have you
didn't have a say in what your color was
going to be I didn't have a say
Obviously so let's talk about because
we're almost at a time you mentioned
this core belief that farad Muhammad was
God incarnate according to their their
teachings yeah I didn't I don't I don't
recall using the word incarnate when I
was in the nation but but yes we were
taught that God came in the person of
Master far Muhammad like he was God we
put his picture on our walls that this
uh gentleman yeah we had a picture on
our walls said that's Allah so this
person farad Muhammad you actually had a
picture of him yes yeah and there may be
some Muslims in the nation now brothers
and sisters in the nation now that may
still do that but I know we did we had a
picture of far Muhammad on our wall we
said that's Allah and he was reading the
Holy Quran and when I took shahad in 75
and I look back at some of my old
pictures I said hm if that's really
Allah why does he have to read the Quran
yeah and he's the one who revealed it
what was his nationality was he well at
the time first we thought some of us
thought that didn't they didn't have the
in-depth study of the of Nation of Islam
we thought he was an Arab we found out
later he was either Indian or Pakistani
you know so a Pakistani
God bottom line his skin was white so
the whole thing was contradictory our
whole our whole um uh experience was
contradictory another thing that
happened too Eddie is that um we were
harder we meaning the the um those who
were members of the Nation of Islam at
that time we were harder on black people
than we were on white people when we ran
the restaurants we were less tolerant to
our own people I don't recall I don't
recall getting any fights or beating up
any white people so now Islam the way of
life of all the
messengers purely clearly teaches that
God is not a man that God's not like you
or me he created man and women but he's
not a man or woman so this I think this
is the very simple to understand message
and if somebody understands this then he
can naturally and this this is something
that you talked about being in your
nature when someone sees this that you
put a picture of a man and say he's God
this is something that your nature would
reject wouldn't it well nature does
reject it Eddie because um Imam WD
Muhammad one of the the the most
beautiful thing he did when he first
took office and we were still call him
minister in 75 was to introduce us to
really sitting down and reading the Holy
Quran for ourself yeah and if you read
the Quran you'll see even in the in what
has been called by the scholars is the
most powerful ayat in the Quran the most
powerful verse which is called ayy
that's um in Surah 2 verse 255 when
Allah says you can't you can't
comprehend his vision you can't you
can't
comprehend a shape or size of Allah you
can't confine him to a physical
description yeah that should tell us
right there that that certainly if God
or not if but since God created the
entire universe and we were taught in
the Nation of Islam the dimension of the
universe yeah we were taught the
dimensions of the universe and we were
taught uh all of these things that God
created the planet Earth the Sun the
moon the stars all of the planets we're
taught and and and a God who created
that couldn't have possibly have been a
man yeah and not only that the Holy
Quran that was revealed the prophet
Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam
couldn't possibly have been written by a
man yeah Prophet Muhammad peace be upon
him was illiterate and the things that
were given to him were things that
happened you know decades and decades
and generations and generations and
centuries before he was even born so so
the evidence of the of the miraculous um
revelation of the Holy Quran should also
give us some insight as to how a human
being is not capable and and the same
argument of of Master for Muhammad not
being God should also apply to Jesus
peace be upon him not being the Son of
God yes and I went through that same
metamorphosis when I was a Christian was
learning and teaching and singing and
preaching that Jesus was the son of God
and you got to pray to him in order for
God to hear your prayers I started
having a big issue with that so and then
when I came to the Nation of Islam
listen I joined the Nation of Islam not
because I was looking for religion I
joined a Nation of Islam because I
wanted something to identify with that
would give me some sense of belonging
and the majority of us who joined the
Nation of Islam the brothers were called
fruit of Islam foi the the the sisters
were called the MGT GCC Muslim girl
trainees and general civilization class
and those of us and many of us came to
to join the Nation of Islam because we
want a sense of belonging we wanted
something that only was just for us and
so the the the the the windfall from
that is many of us develop impeccable
morals and some of us hung on to those
morals even now in the Sunnah uh when
when you go to some Masters and see some
brother smoking cigarettes those of us
who came through the Nation of Islam we
don't understand that because when we
came through the Nation of Islam if you
smok cigarettes you weren't even a
Muslim yeah you know so the so the
morals of the nation was beautiful the
only thing that we left behind and we
shed and the only cloak that we took off
and unzipped was the cloak of Sherk and
and and thinking that it was God needed
a partner or God needed appear in the in
the form of a human being or God had to
do anything physical to satisfy us
because in in Sak Allah says uh you have
those who believe in the
Unseen and we're talking about Allah so
again no
racism and no God men that God is the
one who created the heavens and the
Earth that he's not a man he doesn't
have a shape a size a skin tone a
skeleton he has none of these things and
this is that pure teaching that all the
messengers got to worship God not a man
a woman or anything in the creation to
worship the Creator that's it this is
pure all right so a couple more things
we got to come to to a close uh the
Revelation or the books that they would
go by you would go by I heard it's a
mixture of some of the Quran and the
Bible together we used to teach from the
Bible from the from the pull pits or
mimars or or so forth you know and we
will quote some verses from the Quran
that you know that we felt comfortable
with so it was a mixture of both it was
kind of a mixture but isn't a Telltale
sign also that mostly but but you know
our actual teaching we use a lot of the
actual facts and most of the time actual
facts meaning the the the mentions of
the of the planet Earth and and those
things there square mileage of ocean
rivers lakes and all of that that kind
of science but the other thing was that
we had um mix thoroughly
indoctrinated nationalism into the into
what we call Islamic teaching yeah and
it was easy because those are facts that
no one can deny and that's why it was so
easy the fact that people black people
were were raped and lynched and all of
that those are facts the facts it was
RAC ISM that black people had to sit in
the back of buses and all of that this
is the reason why uh it was easy because
you can't deny those facts my only issue
now as a person who who struggles to
follow the Sunnah of prophet Muhammad
sallah wasam is a person who who is
really trying his best toere to the
Quran is the best as possible my only
issue is confusing nationalism with
Islam yeah because Islam is only about
purification of your soul and getting
closer to Almighty Allah the Unseen God
who created us all we want to get into
in short explaining what Islam is the
Five Pillars but a few more questions
and the Nation of Islam we there was a
well-known figure Malcolm X who actually
would you recommend people to watch this
documentary or movie that it goes on
explaining his early life and then also
how he got involved with the nation of
Islam and then he went to take a
pilgrimage to Mecca the first house of
worship built by Abraham and then this
is the fifth pillar of Islam he went to
take this journey and then he sat with
the whitest of white blonde hair blue
eye and people from all around the globe
and he came back and denounced these
teachings can you briefly touch upon
this briefly you know Malcolm did a
great service and the and the um the
movie is a good movie I talked to a lot
of the imams that that I seek advice
from and they all tell me that the movie
is a good movie it's pretty thorough um
reading the book I I I didn't read the
book all the way through you know
however I haven't met any person who
read Malcolm's autobiography all the way
through and then read it and then join a
Nation of Islam No everybody who I've
met are in the country I'm not saying
they don't exist but every person who
I've met that read the book took shahada
yeah if they wanted to come to Islam or
either they didn't do anything at all
you know so there was a clear message
there of the importance of this
metamorphosis and this transition and I
think that's the service that that
Malcolm did I think his biggest his
biggest service was showing people that
you can change your your ideologies if
your ideologies get to the point where
they don't make sense and I think that's
one of the biggest Services I didn't
have the honor or the privilege of
meeting Malcolm I didn't know him I
didn't even hear about him till after I
joined the Nation of Islam and I began
to talk with people who knew him
personally and I so I didn't have that
privilege so I can't quote him or
anything but I can but uh I've met a lot
of people who who really have been
influenced positively by the movie and
the book a few more points we know we
have a plethora of evidence an
overwhelming amount of evidence that
proves that this man Prophet Muhammad
peace be upon him was indeed a messenger
he brought what we have today a living
Miracle which was compiled over 23 years
it has a a overwhelming amount of
evidence in it to prove that it cannot
be written by man but indeed it's from
the creator of the heavens and the earth
now in there it also States and we have
evidence that there is no more
Messengers to come the prophet Muhammad
peace be upon him was the Seal of the
prophets no more Messengers but one of
the also core teachings is that this
man how do you say his uh they call him
Elijah Muhammad that he was also a
messenger well that's what we thought at
the time yeah that's what we called him
and some people who still follow his
teaching still refer to him as a
messenger yeah of Allah but um that's
what we thought he was until we found
out more but obviously he cannot be a
messenger because we know there's no
more Messengers to come this is also
something that is what some what some
people did and what we used to do people
for people that did debate it with us
and very few people did is that they
would break down the word messenger yeah
and they would and they would justify
and we even did it a few times we
justify calling him the messenger to the
Skeptics by saying anybody who brings a
message is as a messenger you so we
Justified it that way but in but in the
mind of the religious person who thinks
that they're on their on a road towards
God in their mind they're thinking about
a messenger a specific messenger of
Allah in that context we have to we had
to correct each correct ourselves and
each other that the the prophet Muhammad
peace be upon Him is the final messenger
he's he's a seal of the prophets you
know in that context but but sometime in
English we have a play on words yeah you
know and we have a tendency to defend
something that we want to do uh or say
or teach uh because uh we feel
comfortable with it and so um in that
context many people who might still be
uh loyal to that old teaching might
defend that label for Elijah Muhammad by
saying of course he's a messenger I'm a
messenger too and you're a messenger too
playing with words now yes a play on
words but but but but but Allah knows
our heart if we're thinking in our mind
that this is a specific person who was
sent by God with a message and a
prophecy then we're going to be judged
by Allah yeah now we're going over a
little bit of our time we usually cut
out at about 30 minutes but we are
requesting to go a little bit over
because this is very important
especially when a pop star a celebrity
like Snoop Doggy Dog some of our uncles
might not know who that is but you have
a lot of the youth people in the
community who look up to someone like
this obv obviously they should not but
they might see someone like this who
accepts this way of life and now we have
to set the message straight on what true
Islam is and what this uh way of life is
so we covered that true Islam teaches
equality between the white and black and
all of humanity no racism we talked
about that God is not a man which the
Nation of Islam teaches and we talked
about now that the Elijah Muhammad
definitely was not a messenger from the
creator of the heavens and earth Allah
and we talked about the famous Malcolm X
who also was involved with this movement
and then he went to the Hajj and he came
back and he accepted and denounced these
teachings accepted the true way of life
of all the prophets and Messengers Islam
tell us can we and I remember you
mentioned before that
this uh our brother Wallace D Muhammad
mhm and he had left the Nation of Islam
but did I don't know if you mentioned
this in the last show that actual Elijah
Muhammad towards his death bet he also
denounced this his teachings and him
being a prophet is this is this true
yeah I was told that he took shahada you
know and before he passed away you know
but the I want to I want to briefly
touch on what you said about Snoop Dog
because the young people bring that to
me yeah yeah I'm not I'm not have they
have they uh mention this to you yeah
and I'm but but be honest with you I'm
not impressed yeah the Snoop Dog if
anything he there something like that
because I don't just as much as I wasn't
impressed when the rappers use profanity
or and I'm not impressed when rappers
talk about the the illicit sex with
women I'm I'm not impressed when rappers
or entertainers talk about using drugs
or drinking alcohol or getting high or
or use or stealing cars I'm not
impressed with everything they do just
because they're famous yeah I'm not
impressed with that if he wants to make
if Snoop Dog Wants to make a conscious
decision to join a nationalistic group
fine you know and if it helps him to
improve his morals if it helps improve
his morals the way joining the Nation of
Islam help me improve my morals back in
the early 7s then then then you know
I'll give him a pat on the back if
that's what he's trying to accomplish
but but but I have a problem with
disguising nationalism with Islam as we
said earlier so I'm you know I'm I'm
happy that you know if I have to we the
good against the bad that that there's
some people that want to clean their
life up you know but I'm not impressed
or feel happy want to celebrate you know
because he wants to call himself Muslim
now and he hasn't really learned the the
real truth about what the Quran is
actually telling us to do this is no
this this is not a a criticism against
an organiz oration you know I'm not here
to criticize the Nation of Islam as an
organization I'm only talking about as a
former member minister at that is that
like the one of the highest ranking yeah
I was getting there I was assistant
Minister and then the month that Elijah
Mama passed away I was supposed to go
and meet him I would become a
full-fledged Minister but I was doing
the teaching I was opening up temples
around Pittsburgh Pennsylvania you know
and so forth I was doing all of the work
you know but my point is is that I know
What attracted me I know what cleaned me
up but then but then I was only cleaned
up from from physical vices but then
when I took shahada in 1975 under Imam
WD Muhammad and I learned that there was
a a huge problem that I had that I had
to deal with Allah about and that was
associating Partners to him and accusing
him and it's an accusation accusing
allmighty God of appearing in the form
of a human being when I realized that I
had to change and and I also had to make
TBA once I found out what TBA was Toba
means means repentance to I had to
repent for for saying things and then I
had to go back to people I've been
teaching and undo I had to debrief all
of these people you know and tell them
said you know what I was telling you
before you know a year ago or whatever
that was incorrect black man is not God
white man is not the devil the Caucasian
man is not the skunk of the planet Earth
the black man is not the god of the
universe this stuff that I was teaching
and was learning is not even true true
that the the god of the universe is
Almighty Allah who created the universe
who cannot be seen cannot be put into
some type of container with a physical
description you know and that no person
is better than another person except in
their effort to please almighty God yeah
and almighty God is the only one who
knows who's trying more than somebody
else yeah so as you said that you're not
impressed and we shouldn't be impressed
but you do have some some young Muslims
who now may might be dragging their feet
to total submit to the creator of the
heavens and earth and they might be
listening to some of this uh I call it
junk that's out there it's kind of it's
almost like audio pornography because
all of the explicit lyrics and filth
that some of these rappers use
now obviously we shouldn't take any of
these people as as role models we should
take the the best of examples which is
the last and final messenger the prophet
Muhammad peace and blessings be upon
him so tell us now is it say to say
because such a beautiful name such such
a beautiful teachings that a human being
and you so eloquently put it one time
that something that you know is is in
our very nature that to submit and to
surrender to God Alone the Creator being
obedient to him being sincerely devoted
to him your whole life revolving around
your your Lord this is summed up with
one word Islam so if someone takes this
word and put something before it or in
front of it now and confusing people can
we just say that you know what as ones
who follow the true teachings of all the
messengers say look I don't even want to
call This Nation of Islam maybe call it
and this is just my opinion you correct
me and give me your opinion maybe call
it mlam or fism or not even give the
privilege of being associated with this
beautiful word Islam because we can see
like when we really get dig deep into
what it teaches racism nationalism and
again we're not trying to step on
nobody's toes we want those people who
are truly sincerely humble and truly
seeking the truth to really see what
Islam is the purity of Islam and what
this uh way of life is and how unnatural
it is well I'm I'm hesitant yeah
personally to um to to to give it names
like Faron ISM and that because I I'm
not I'm hesitant to try to uh say
anything that may appear your opinion
insult yeah we don't want to nobody
insult I know I'm not I'm not
comfortable yeah with with with with
trying to make it seem like I'm trying
to insult Minister faran by calling this
calling it Faron ISM I'm also not
comfortable with telling people that
they're not allowed to call it Islam you
know I'm not comfortable with that I
think the biggest job is not trying to
change what somebody says got okay the
big I think our biggest job is to change
people people's thinking and one of the
best way to change people's thinking and
do it in a respectful way is to for the
Muslims who say they follow the dean I
mean the true Islam to follow it
properly yeah there's issues in the
Sunnah so-called Sunnah community that
are that are given um a a bad W to Islam
generally to the to to the to the outer
Community you know and and I and if we
correct that then everything else fall
in place Prophet Muhammad sallahu alhi
wasallam said that if you reconcile with
Allah he takes care of the people you
know um Minister fron happens to be a
friend of mine you know but that's not
why I don't that's not the reason why uh
I I'm hesitant to insult him I don't
want to insult him because he's a human
being and and he is a and he is a great
leader and he's and and he's he deserves
respect and and I don't want to insult
my brothers and sisters who are part of
the Nation of Islam because they're
brothers and sisters who are also
children of Adam and they're my brothers
and sisters and and Allah commands me to
to treat people the way I want them to
treat me Allah says in nah in Ayah 126
that when you catch them out catch them
out no worse than you want them to catch
you out my issue is not trying to change
the what the Nation of Islam is teaching
or what they called herself or what they
want to call Islam I don't think that
that's that's my role my role is to try
to encourage Muslims who claim that
they're soon Muslims to be a better job
at being Sun Muslims we have Sun Muslims
who are smoking cigarettes and blowing
smoke in children's faces we have Sun
Muslims that send their daughters out in
the public with skin tight pants on and
and cleavage in their blouses and not
even covering their hair we got Sun
Muslims that go in and out of x-rated
movies and using profanity we are Sunny
Muslims that won't even go to jum my
prayer because they're afraid to leave
their jobs and miss out on a couple of
bucks so and we got some of the Muslims
that beat their wives and are guilty of
of domestic abuse we got some of the
Muslims that are joining gangs the Crips
in the Bloods you know so I say that
let's clean up the house before we start
pointing at somebody and telling them
what they're not supposed to do it's
true that I disagree with with with with
a couple a couple of the small teachers
of the Nation of Islam there's no
question it's no secret I have an issue
with calling Master Muhammad the the um
God in person I have an issue with that
you know but that doesn't give me the
Comfort to want to insult them or want
to attack what they want to call
something I'm my my e my effort as daah
is to encourage the Muslims to be real
Muslims and encourage those who are not
who are not who have not accepted Islam
to explore Islam and look at the best
examples so that they get the right idea
and the right composure and the right
attitude about what Real Islam is and if
I do it right then I won't have to call
it anything this is a double addition
here with
Imam kasim
and khanan and former minister with
the nation and we're clearing up some of
the misconceptions some Notions people
have might have had trying to
distinguish what is correct what is not
and we're trying to explain and give a
deeper understanding to those humble
truth Seekers trying to Enlighten the
people who are out there really wanting
to know the truth who might have got
confused with a lot of the things that
are out there and who best to help us
explain this than somebody who was a
former minister with this uh group but
all praise and thanks is to the Creator
that he guided you and guided many of uh
former people I know myself uh many who
were with this group who ended up coming
over to the true teachings of Islam tell
us now
that uh what what is the savior's
day well savior's day at the time when I
was in the nation was was the day that
all of the Muslims in the country in
America uh the members of the Nation of
Islam made a a pilgrimage to Chicago
Illinois that's the hjj for them huh
yeah but we didn't know the board H at
that time you know it was just savior's
day and we all got together those of us
who could make the trip went to Chicago
to hear annual address by Elijah
Muhammad okay now let's talk start
talking about the true teachings of
Islam let's talk about this first pillar
now let's explain to the people somebody
we got their attention and they might
even be a part of this nation and
now they want to know how can I get with
the real deal how can I be a true
submitter to the one God I.E as a Muslim
what is that first thing that you had to
do to cross over from being with this
nation to being with the being in Islam
what was let's talk about the Five
Pillars now well the first pillar was a
declaration that's the very first thing
that uh Imam WD Muhammad taught us yeah
you know that um to decare publicly that
there's no God but Allah and that
Muhammad is a messenger of Allah but
first he taught us before he taught us
about that shahada was called the
shahada Tain or bear witness of two
things he first taught us what Muhammad
we were talking about yeah tell us now
because people hear Elijah Muhammad and
they confuse it with the last and final
messenger
we were we were in 1975 Imam WD Muhammad
taught us that the messenger the real
messenger Muhammad um who was the real
messenger of Allah was not the one who
we thought it was it was not his father
yeah that that we had to recognize and
understand that the the last prophet
that was sent to
mankind was uh was sent over 1400 years
ago and he explained that to us before
he started telling us that we needed to
to make this this this open declaration
mhm once we got that clear then he told
us now this is something that you're
going to have to do now yeah you know
and he taught this to a whole country
full of people you know and so the
majority the overwhelming majority of
those people who have been following his
father you know um made that open
declaration and myself and many other
who were part part of that experience
now you said an Arabic word for some of
our non-muslim listeners you said that
that there's no God but Allah explain
Define when you say Allah Allah Allah is
the proper name for almighty God uh
Allah says in the Quran to call him by
any of his beautiful names Muslims is
the uh Muslims don't have a hangup with
language you know we we're not we don't
get uncomfortable if someone says
Jehovah Yahweh Lord Master we don't get
uncomfortable other religions may get
uncomfortable other societies of people
may get uncomfortable when we say Allah
but Allah is the proper name of of
almighty God the creator of heavens and
the Earth it's not a separate God he's
not a separate God he's not something
he's not some entity that's physical and
he's not some entity that is separate
from the god that created everybody else
that's just his proper name and so the
Muslims are more comfortable with that
proper name though though we don't um
express any discomfort if somebody
arounds us just wants to say God or they
want to say Yahweh or Jehovah or
whatever you know we don't have that
that that that discomfort but that's the
proper name so we we try to make that
clear and another thing we make clear
too is that uh if if people really
understood the definition of Muslim yeah
then more people would accept being
called Muslim and realize that's what
they already are give us the definition
the definition of Muslim is one who has
the nature to submit to the will of God
that's Allah put that in the nature of
everything and everybody who he created
animate as well as inanimate that
everything he created must submit to him
everything that he created
uh that there has has a time of
beginning and ending everything is just
a visit we're all visitors on this
planet Earth we're just visitors we're
only here for a little while and so and
everything that we experience is only a
visit life can only visit us by the
permission of almighty God death can
only visit us by the permission of
almighty God youth can only visit us by
the permission of almighty God and age
can only visit us by the by the
permission of God wealth and poverty or
visits they visit us they visit our life
and even Allah says in the Quran
andur that we that that when you visit
the graves you know the the mutual
piling up of wealth and material things
you know until you visit the grave grave
going to the Grave is a visit you when
you go to the Masid it's a visit those
uh the mids of Allah shall be visited
and maintained by those who fear in
Allah believe in Allah in the last day
and then and then we and Allah bless it
with wives and spouses we visit our
wives so everything is a visit which
which lets us know that in this life is
only temporary and Prophet Muhammad
peace and blessing be upon him he even
told us he said that that um that surely
surely uh in this my nation my community
my um my those who follow me um there's
a mercy on this community that their
punishment is not in this life because
the their punishment is not in the after
life excuse me because their trials are
in this life that's what the prophet
said he also said that when a when a
adversity strikes the believer we're
supposed to immediately thank Allah for
three things one that it's not worse
than it is two that it happened in the
material world and not in our Dean and
three a de or our religion and three
that it happen now and not in the
afterlife because this life is only
temporary so so and then Allah says in
the
Quran that's in um Sur or chapter 94 of
the Holy Quran where he says with every
difficulty comes ease and Allah is
telling us that for the believer the
ease is connected to the difficulty so
we should be happy when something
negative happens in this life because we
know that it's going to be over when
this life is over we should want we
should expect that that Allah will give
us relief in the afterlife because
whatever joy we experience in the
afterlife is going to be permanent but
if we have a difficulty in the afterlife
that's also going to be permanent so to
prepare for the afterlife then we should
worship God now as if the afterlife is
going to happen tomorrow and so that's
the main core and the Crux of what
motivates the person who have accepted
Islam and Allah says in the Quran uh
accept Islam wholeheartedly we don't
know whether or not we've accepted whole
heart Islam wholeheartedly until we get
tested Allah says in Surah 29 ankot of
the Quran in the second ay the first
Ayah is just three letters Al if Lam
but then he says do men think they will
be left alone on saying We Believe
without being tested a lot of times we
think we know ourselves let alone trying
to know each other we think we know
ourselves until we get tested then we
begin to find out things about ourselves
so when we so a lot of us in 1975 was
tested because we found out what we we
had to find out what were we actually
looking for when we came to what we
thought was Islam if we were looking for
God for real if we were looking for
salvation for for real if we're looking
for the beauty of of following the real
Prophet Muhammad for real then we
embraced the the shahad we embraced
Sunni Islam if we're looking for for
real but some of us we found out
something about ourselves that we
weren't really looking for religion we
weren't really looking for God we
weren't really looking for for for the
Salvation we're looking for just some
kind of organization that would make us
maintain a grudge against some things
that had happened with some people who
made who who who made bad judgments and
treated people wrong and we want to we
want to hang on to something that made
us feel a sense of belonging to some
some physically motivated group whe
whether we want to no matter what we
want to call or what label we put on it
so that's how we find out about ourself
and in
1975 those of us that that took shahada
under Imam DD Muhammad we found out that
we really were searching for God we
found out we really were searching for
spirituality we found out but but on the
other hand some people found out that
they weren't really looking for God they
just wanted an organization worship one
God Alone not his creation anything in
the creation cannot be the Creator so in
the last and final messenger you have to
accept him the prophet Muhammad which
included accepting all the other
messenger Jesus Moses Abraham Noah Etc
that's the shahada then we have four
more pillars we only got a couple more
minutes quickly go over them the praying
five times a day did you pray before now
five times a day min um talk about this
we prayed five times a day but it wasn't
Salah we made a Dua or a supplication
five from in the Nation of Islam we we
didn't know about salot we just we just
raised our hands and we made a prayer in
can I just call it the nation I don't
even want to I call it call it whatever
you want so the nation yeah the nation
you know when I was in that organization
we made a Dua in English five times a
day okay but now we learned that we have
to actually order our body to respond
and pray and Prost and bow to Almighty
Allah five times a day in specific times
Allah says in the Quran the prayer is
fixed on us exact calculated timing and
then we have the zakat zakat is not
charity yeah zakat is a tax on your
wealth charity is sodaka that can be in
any form it could be extra money could
be a smile could be a good deed clothes
food but zakat is specific tax on your
wealth and if you don't have any wealth
then you become a recipient of that
zakat with that turns it into sodaka
when when you become a recipient of it
that's the third pillar now right and
then the fourth one is fasting during
the month of Ramadan in the Nation of
Islam we we we fasted every every
December and we call that Ramadan you
know nowadays in the modern day Nation
of Islam I believe they fast properly
according to the lunar calendar and the
proper month of Ramadan alham but but
but we learn now we learned from IM
Muhammad and those of us who came to the
Sunner after that that the month of
Ramadan is a celebration of the Holy
Quran it is a is it is an anniversary of
the of the particular month where the
Holy Quran began to be revealed the
whole book wasn't revealed in the month
of Ramadan it just began in the month of
Ramadan it took 23 years to reveal the
Quran but to celebrate that the
importance of that Revelation then we
would abstain from food from food and
and and drink and sex during the
daylight hours and break our fast at
night uh doing that lunar calendar to
celebrate the beginning of the that's
the fourth pillar that's the fourth one
the fifth one is pilgrimage to the holy
city Mecca to visit the sacred house it
was built by Abraham or rebuilt by
Abraham and his son and that and that
was built on the site where Adam came
down after he was forgiven by God after
sinning we want some closing comments
suggestions because it clearly says in
the verbatim word of God that the only
way of life that's acceptable to the
creator of the heavens and the Earth is
complete submission obedience to him
alone which is IE in Arabic Islam so the
person that might want to take a buffet
you know mixing up all the religions he
want to follow the nation this is a very
serious issue to be worshiping God as a
man this is an unforgivable sin if you
die on it you don't repent we want those
people to be in Paradise we want them to
be our brothers in faith talk to them
give them some advice please to accept
Islam wholeheartedly to accept this
Islam wholeheartedly is to to come
Accord with your nature that almighty
God G uh created us in and if you really
want if you really want the Salvation
from Almighty Allah F find out what your
nature is and submit to that and submit
to and cooperate with that particular
nature we if you really want to avoid
the punishment from almighty God and you
think that you want to pick around with
something if you want to have a buffet
then you want to have a buffet in this
life you might want that with a buffet
in the afterlife but that Buffet is
going to be filled with fire because
almighty God Allah does not compromise
and he says oh you who believe save
yourselves and your families from a fire
whose fuel is men and Stones he doesn't
use gasoline or propane or kerosene he
uses people to keep Hellfire hot and
anyone who dies without being in total
submission to God will be fued for that
particular Hellfire so you can't play
with Islam if you submit to submit to
almighty God
completely or you just get punished
thank you very much for being with us
taking the time out of your busy
schedule appreciate it and just real
quick you got uh the Mana that you're
involved with tell us yeah Muslim
Alliance in North America or Mana uh was
established under the leadership saraj
raaj to make sure that none of the needy
Muslims on the inner cities of America
or needy families for that matter get
overlooked uh this is a very serious
effort right now in America there are
families that that are displaced there
are orphans in America there are Muslims
who are getting released from the
streets from to the streets from prison
about 3,000 a day getting release to the
streets with little or no support
mechanism uh one of the one of the main
important things that we really have to
focus on is is healing and
Reconciliation and everyone needs to be
reconciled and everyone needs to
reconcile with almighty God in order to
make their lives complete so Mana is
trying to be in the Forefront of
encouraging all the great organizations
to work together to rec reconcile and to
and and work together so that we can
heal anything that's causing us to to to
stay away from or to avoid unity in the
in Islam there has to be a unification
process for us to be able to enjoy some
progress for the upliftment of humanity
and for the betterment and of the
quality of life of the um may God
Almighty Allah reward you thank you and
I like to thank you for being with us
again on another episode of the DEA I
hope you got to benefit we got to
explain what the nation is and what the
way of life that was lived by all the
messengers including the last and final
messenger the prophet Muhammad peace be
upon him it was that way that way of
submitting your entire self to not a man
to not a woman but the one who created
man and woman the creator of the heavens
and earth nothing in creation anything
that came into existence is not the
Creator and there is no more Messengers
to come after the last and final
messenger of prophet Muhammad peace be
upon him accepting Jesus as a messenger
Moses Abraham Noah these were all
Messengers of God they didn't call
people to worship themselves to worship
Saints Idols or anything in the creation
they called you to worship the one God
and this is the true teachings of Islam
not calling a white man a devil or a
black man a devil the prophet Muhammad
peace be upon him said clearly that we
are all like the tooth of a cone that we
are equal what separates us is our God
Consciousness our piety and this is the
true teachings of Islam time and we hope
to see you again next time here on the
dean show until then assalam alaykum
peace be unto
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