asalam greetings of Peace guess what I
just had a chance to interview a very
well-known comedian before I start
tonight I just wanted to read a brief
statement that I prepared I denounce
anti-Semitism in all its
forms and that Kanye is how you buy
yourself some time early in my career I
learned that there are two words in the
English language that you should never
say together in sequence and those words
are the and Je
no no no no no I'm not talking about
Dave Chappelle you're you're a Muslim I
am when did you become Muslim when I was
17 if you're like me you've been
watching the dean show for now almost 20
years Allah preserve our man Eddie and
continue his work he is Allah has opened
for him a new door we went from the dean
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there or bam you have you have
absolutely no sympathy for the
Palestinian killing even though the
invitation is there for them come come
Brothers Let's sit let's talk now I'm
talking about Jewish and I'm I'm Jewish
comedian Dave Smith Muslim world has had
a, 911s Dave Smith went through early in
his life believing all the main stream
propaganda talking points but as a
Jewish man he really wished that they
were true and I'm I'm Jewish but now
he's so passionate about what's
happening in Palestine he's had so many
different debates he's even helped his
good friend Joe Rogan like they've
destroyed so much have you seen the
footage the recent footage it's crazy
mosques it's just bombing mosques
understand the situation in Palestine
much much better and clearer and I'm I'm
Jewish so like I I grew up very much
just only hearing the Israeli side of
the story hope you guys enjoy because
this is my interview with the Jewish
comedian political commentator Dave
Smith I love
you when I was ready to talk about I
would only talk I was explaining how
much respect I have for the faith of
Islam the show the de
show GRE of Peace welcome to the dean
show and we got a special episode here
with a special guest Dave
Smith not only is he a comedian
political commentator but he's a man of
reason and whose humanity is alive and
well thank you very much I appreciate
that and I'm very happy to uh be talking
with you I want to thank you thank you I
want to start off and commend you um for
having your Humanity on you know and in
this sad state that we see uh the world
where we have a modern day genocide
happening I was really impressed I was
watching how I got turned out to you I
was watching Joe to the way you were
presenting the history and you were
going into um remember that episode you
oh sure yeah of course well thank you I
appreciate that and I don't I mean I I
think um it doesn't take too much to get
there you know it's um I think that if
people are being object basically if you
if you value human life if you think all
life is precious I think you're going to
end up coming to the conclusion that
what's going on here is just wrong let
me ask you this have you ever sat like
this like you're sitting you're Jewish
I'm Muslim have you ever sat with a
Muslim like this I
don't I don't think so are you scared no
no I'm not uh I think you know I grew up
in in New York city so there there
everybody there's everything there you
know and we um but like every the our
corner store was run
by uh by Muslims and they were all like
kind of we were all very friendly and
all kind of loved each other like our
their kids played basketball with us and
stuff and so it was never I don't think
I've ever like sat down and had a
conversation about the state of Israel
in Palestine with with a Muslim I do
I'll tell you this um I don't know why
this just sticks out in my mind but so
anyway so these guys who worked at the
bodega um down the street from me where
I lived and I knew them and I knew their
kids I'd know them for years and we used
to always kind of like bust each other's
chops that was like the spirit of things
in the ' 80s and 90s in New York City um
but it was always with love and I
remember one day I don't know how the
topic came up but something about Israel
came up and I was like 10 years old or
something like that and I remember I
said the guy the kid who was like maybe
156 he said something about Israel and I
said back to him and I go I go what has
Israel ever done to anybody cuz I had
never heard I didn't know anything about
the history I just heard what you hear
as an American Jew Jewish kid growing up
and I went what has Israel ever done to
anybody and he just looks at his father
and he goes you see what they learn over
here you see and his father was like
okay okay because he just didn't want
any problems he like listen we're
running a business here I'm not trying
to like start up a huge fight but I
remember just having this moment where I
I saw that you know and I was like oh
what what is he like thinking that I
like don't this by the way did not
Inspire anything I didn't like go and
start reading about it I was a
10-year-old kid I went and played
basketball but years later when I
started learning the history of it I do
remember thinking back to that moment
and being like Oh what must that be like
from his perspective to have someone
over here in America just be totally
ignorant of the situation and just
assume but Israel's are Israel's the
good guys right and then he has to bite
his tongue cuz his dad's like okay don't
cause any problems for our business
right now but yeah anyway years later I
did some reading and I found out that
there's actually quite a lot that
they've done it reminded me when you
were talking about okay New York with
the Muslims you know grocery store
they're part of the community there and
people are getting along to stand what
it reminded me of a rabbi uh Rabbi Weiss
and Shapiro and others who would kind of
go into the history and they would
narrate the same thing that at one point
in time believe it or not in Jerusalem
you had Muslims Christians and Jews and
particularly Jews and Muslims who were
there together and they were living in a
Rel to peace they were watching each
other's kids and everything was good
till Zionism came about Jews flourished
at as distinctly religious Jewish
communities and they weren't massacred
on the contrary they went to these Arab
and Muslim lands to escape
persecution uh from the Crusades from
the Inquisition and from many other
trials and tribulations and the um and
even World War II uh the Arab and Muslim
lands opened their hearts opened their
lands and uh provided a safe haven a
gracious Hospitality for the Jewish
people we were respected and even the
Muslim religion requires of that of the
uh the Muslim people to to provide
protection and hospitality and they did
uh carry that out that's clear nobody
could refute this yes well I mean if you
if you read the um the early Zionist
writing um a lot of that actually comes
across there and obviously they they
picked um Palestine because of their you
know connection to the Torah and stuff
like that religious reasons but a lot of
the they don't they don't mention Arabs
that much in the early Zionist writings
and when they do they mention them on
kind of friendly terms and there there's
this tremendous
um ignorance or naive about them because
these guys had never been to Palestine
these were all Eastern European Jews who
were talking about what's in their book
but they had never actually been there
and they didn't know these people and so
there were these assumptions that were
very silly uh you know like well the the
Arabs could just maybe move there
there's so many Arabs there they could
go to all these other Arab states but
that'd be you know it's as ridiculous as
being like well a Dutch person could
just go to England I mean they're all
white right like who cares they're all
they're all uh European or whatever
which is you know obviously silly
there's many differences between those
cultures but the point is that one of
the reasons why they like this is
because they relatively speaking the the
Turks Ottoman Empire the Arab world had
been pretty cool to the Jews they didn't
face nearly the persecution that they
faced in Europe and that's that's who
the the early zionists are writing in
response to is the prrams in in Eastern
Europe and so yeah that's right there's
there had been Jewish people living in
Palestine in relative Harmony I'm not
saying like nothing violent ever
happened but relatively speaking Yeah
that's right and you know as we were
just talking about before we started
recording there is this narrative now
that that gets created that this is the
Jews vers the Muslims and that's just
not true that doesn't represent in I
mean I'm not saying there aren't any
Jews who hate Muslims or there aren't
any Muslims who hate Jews but there's so
many on both sides who don't don't have
that attitude at all and I think that's
important for people to to understand
and that's why you know I was being fous
when I I just made your comedian so I I
can joke with you are you scared but
they're trying to have people now that
we fearing each other now for Jews
Muslims to fear Jews Jews to fear
Muslims and to have this uh this Divi
division now when you had at one point I
mean and that's why I think these
conversations are important you know
like you said you never actually sat in
talk with a Muslim you know to talk to
understand each other to reason to go
ahead and and and bring the human
element to it because now what we're
seeing in Palestine they're trying to
make the Palestinian like their animals
now right we talked a little bit about
that um but what did it for you what did
it for you that you actually and
I heard you say I'm Jewish and I wish
the Israelis were right so it's not easy
for you yeah it would make life easier
for me like with family members and
stuff like that yeah yeah sure and let's
get this across the board as a Muslim
this is not if this was happening to
Jews I don't know if you've ever been to
Harvard no okay if you go in Harvard in
the law section there's a verse of the
Quran that says uh talking about justice
so we're taught to be just even if
against our own family members our own
selves our own Community Justice is a
key principle in Islam so we're seeing
in Justice happening to no matter who it
is we supposed to St stand up against
that Injustice just just to make that
point clear right well okay so for me I
got really interested in um in politics
in 20072 2008 when Ron Paul was running
for president and the center piece of
Ron Paul's uh campaign and what really
made him famous was this moment this
famous moment he had with Rudy Giuliani
where they were arguing at one of the
debates and what Ron Paul was arguing
was that the George W bush narrative
which was the dominant narrative in
right after 9/11 was that they hate us
for our freedom and that's why you have
this issue with radical Muslim
terrorists who want to come over here
and kill us because we're free and and
look like if that's true but like like
if there is this group that wants to
kill you just because you're free well
then what's the answer I mean there's no
other answer other than we better kill
them before they come kill us and so it
Le it leads you to turn your brain off
and go well there's no other option
except War but what Ron Paul was arguing
was that that's just not true it's not
true that people hate us because we're
free which you know for any human being
once you stop and think about that
doesn't really sound right anyway but he
goes no they hate us because we've been
over there and they hate us because
we've been bombing their countries
because we've been propping up brutal
dictators because we have our military
bases in their Holy Land This is their
this is their beef and as soon as he
said that it it was like well that does
make a lot more sense that does make and
then I started just reading about it and
I realized he was completely right and
you could read this in their own words
this is what the terrorists were saying
was the reason for for hating us in
Osama Bin Laden's letter uh to America
he says why do we attack you because you
attack us and that this was and and when
you started to understand that there's
something I mean there's something
tragic about it all but there's also
something kind of beautiful in the sense
that you realize that it's like oh this
actually really makes us more similar
than different because really what was
the whole attitude in America after 911
it was like you came and hit us and now
we're going to go hit you back and then
you realize you're like oh that's the
same attitude that they have and once
you kind of realize that there's more
that that we have in common than that
separates us then then you know if the
if they hate us for our freedom then
there's no other answer but War but if
we're actually all kind of more similar
than different there's a path toward
peace you go oh well maybe if we stopped
doing this to them then they wouldn't
want to do this back to us and so
there's something beautiful in there and
anyway it in the Years following that I
just got totally obsessed with
libertarianism and and the history of
war and and other stuff to economics and
things like that too but then I started
really um reading about the history of
the Israeli Palestinian conflict and it
was I'll just say wildly different than
the The Narrative that I had been
presented growing up I remember when
you're sitting with Joel Rogan and then
you had mentioned um this and then you
went into you said okay this is the
slogan this is what we're being fed that
they also something like they just want
to uh eradicate the Jews because you
saying exactly I remember well and then
you went into the then you you you you
um informed Joe uh actually what was
going on you were very well versed in
the history and everything well I've
read a ton about it i' I I think I've
read all the best people um and some of
and some bad people on it but there's
the there's always the slogans the the
Israeli slogans you know it was a people
without L land for a land without people
that's one of the that's one of the
slogans that like as if there were no
people living there or something which
is just I it's um it's a an objective
claim that can be tested and you can
prove that there were in fact people
there it's just factually false and they
also say you know they never miss an
opportunity to miss an opportunity
there's no partner for peace but the
more you examine it just none of that's
actually right it's it's not true and
then there's very strong historical
evidence that in fact there were many
times where they had a partner for peace
um that they uh that also that they have
never the Palestinians have never really
been given an opportunity exactly but
the the story basically the way it's
presented in the west and this is
changing dramatically now of course
because there's shows like this and
there's shows like mine yes well there's
not like a monopoly of the control of
information the way there always was but
the story would basically be uh they go
well look so you had um some Jews and
some Arabs all living in this strip of
land and the Jews wanted to have their
own State and they declared independence
and then all of the surrounding Arab
countries attacked them and now the Jews
just want to live in peace um but they
get these Rockets fired at them all the
time and so don't they have a right to
defend themselves that's essentially I'm
I'm not really caricaturing it that's
essentially what gets told to Americans
and what has been told to them for many
many decades and sure if that were the
story then it totally makes sense to
just blindly support Israel because like
yeah they have a right to exist and they
have but again it's just that is a funh
house mirror version of what really
happened it goes back to where we
started earlier we were talking about
okay that that same statement that was
um for the Iraq War talking about that
they just hate us because of our our
freedoms and our way of life you said
something really powerful I shared it
and people were like man you got to get
this guy in the show you said something
about well they've had a thousand 911s
Muslim world has had a, 911s and if you
sit here and go look just imagine try to
imagine be really genuine here okay cuz
we're going to say we're so much better
than the Islamic world and imagine not
one 911 but a, 911s happened here what
would that look like and then let's say
after a, 911s happened here let's say
whoever Iran did it and then Iran
invades and they overthrow our
government and they prop up their own
government and now they rule us what do
you think the like the toughest
right-wing militia members in America
would be doing they'd be throwing
Molotov cocktails through their
government building they'd be running up
suicide bombing themselves and I bet
they'd yell something about Jesus before
they did it too cuz they'd probably
start clinging to their religion so I'm
just saying that like if we're unwilling
in this in this debate in this divide
try make a real effort to put ourselves
in their shoes and go what would we do
in that situation something like that
you remember yeah well that's right what
exactly you say well I uh um you know
Laura lumer it was in the debate her
yeah yeah and she was saying something
about you know how you know because it's
easy to look especially from a western
perspective it's easy to look at any of
the most radical elements of of Islam
and say well look look how horrible this
is right and I was just making the point
that I was like well look look how much
America lost their minds after 911 we
got hit with a 911 and we just launched
these catastrophic Wars that again not
even against the people who did 911
against the Taliban who was I mean the
Taliban was as guilty as a landlord who
rents an apartment to somebody who kills
someone you know what I mean like you
don't go after the landlord for that I
don't know I just rented this guy an
apartment what is you know and Saddam
Hussein had nothing to do with with 911
and not to mention neither did momar
Gaddafi or Bashar al-assad or you know
the houthis in Yemen or any of the
people who we've you know conducted
military campaigns against in since then
and we did we lost our mind like that
after 1 1911 so you know I'm just saying
if you just look at in terms of like
numbers of people like a few thousand
people got killed but what what would
any imagine a thousand 911s happened and
how you know disor how much that would
throw this country into chaos and all of
that so all I'm saying is like if you're
going to look down with judgment against
any of these these countries well
consider what's been done to them I
think that's reasonable to say okay like
yes if if that had been done to us we
would also have some problems going
around and and but and of course what
would happen in that environment is the
most radical voices end up being
elevated and that's who people rally
around in the same way that Americans
rallied around George W bush who was
saying we're going to go get all you
guys because when you're hit and You're
vulnerable and you're scared you look
for a protector so whoever the strongest
guy around you is and quite often times
that's not the person advocating peace
that's the person advocating aggression
and then um to see you be a voice of
reason and to see you even at that time
uh why do you think it is most people
they're not just using their critical
thinking skills and you know looking uh
and just swallowing The Narrative you
know and not uh and right now we the
slogan was for a long time you know you
had this uh evil event that happened um
the Holocaust something that was evil
that was and then after that it was like
never again and this was supposed to be
something that's across the board we
don't want to see that to any group of
people but we're seeing it in 4k so that
slow never again it was like okay how
does that now when you're talking to
let's say colleagues friends you know
your people reactions to some of the
things that you're saying how's been the
feedback it's you know it's been a mixed
bag I mean it's obviously it's a very
hotly you know emotional issue um and I
think that I've certainly had some
people who were very upset with me for
for taking this uh position I don't
really care about that the the personal
stuff like family members and stuff like
that that's been more you know difficult
um but then I've also had a a tremendous
response of people who really appreciate
that I didn't kind of um buckle on my
principles in this situation just
because it's such an emotional one
because the truth is like these are my
principles across the board I mean even
when um whatever the situation might be
if any uh government was like as you
said before if any government was doing
this to any other group of people I
would condemn that and when there there
have been uh look I'm a Libertarian by
by definition I believe all governments
are criminal organizations um and there
have been plenty of uh Muslim
governments that have done awful things
I've been highly highly critical of what
the Saudis have done uh to the people of
Yemen over the last eight or nine years
I mean it's just absolutely inexcusable
um and now of course the US was backing
that war as well um but I think
that my you know I'm as a man as a
father I think that my my job has to be
to tell the truth tell the truth as I
see it and that let the chips fall where
they may I kind of decided a long time
ago that's what I'm going to do and so I
try to do that in this situation as well
and it's not that I'm not sitting here
and saying that um like I'm there's
there's more radical uh positions that
than what I take on this I'm certainly
not sitting here and saying that no Arab
has ever done anything wrong and and and
in this long conflict between the
Israelis and and the Palestinians that
there's never been anything wrong done
on the other side and I I uh
absolutely um
condemn any like any aggression towards
civilians I do not think is legitimate
even if you're being occupied even if
you're being dominated I think it is it
is not justified to uh kill or to hurt
um innocent civilians I now I can also
understand that I can say that with the
benefit of sitting thousands of miles
away and not being in that situation but
you know I have I have two little kids
and if somebody ever hurt one of my
little kids I'm I could see how I might
get to a place where I'm ready to go
hurt your kid to get back at you I'm not
saying that's Justified it's not but you
can also understand it um I also think
um just for strategic reasons I think
that the Palestinians Embrace of
terrorism in many different uh stages of
this conflict has has been a strategic
failure I think that the uh
terrorism has been embraced in many uh
terrorism as a response to occupation
has been embraced in many parts of the
world before and also by the way for
people in know the history by zionists
in in Israel right before the creation
of of Israel the zionists were
committing acts of terrorism to the
British two main groups the uh the urgan
and the hag was the biggest one and then
there's a yeah there were a couple of
the UR and the stern they're actually on
the on the uh State um United States
Terror um they yeah yeah I mean they
were they were openly talking about how
they embrac terrorism as a tactic and
this did help to drive the British out
the I think the main strategic error and
I'm not talking morality here I'm just
saying the Strategic error is that the
the use of terrorism to drive out the
French or the British like a colonial
power is different than dealing with
settler colonialism where these people
are not going back anywhere the whole
mission is to make this their home
country and so I think that backfired um
I also think there were there were
atrocities committed by Palestinians but
if you look at the history of the
situation as a whole what you can't get
away from is that the story here is that
a group of Europeans decided they wanted
to create a a state in a land where
there were already occupants who had
been living there for thousands of years
and they came in and they essentially
from the beginning started kicking them
out and a lot of people on the Zionist
side they'll try to kind of spin this
thing where it's like well before
1947 the Jews were buying the land and
when you live in say like a a capitalist
Society like we live in when you say
buying the land that what you
immediately think of is like oh that's
peaceful you know I bought my house from
the last person who owned my house and
that means we both agreed on a price and
he moved his stuff out and I moved my
stuff in and now it's legitimately my
house but that's not the history because
it wasn't a capitalist system it was
much closer to a feudalist system under
the Ottoman Empire and the way it worked
was basically the Ottomans just claimed
ownership of the entire thing and then
they would basically bribe tribal
leaders by giving them plots of land now
on these plots of land there were people
who had built homes and who had built
farms and were living there and some you
know maybe uh uh someone from uh Beirut
would come in and say hey I got this
piece of paper this is my plot of land
and the local Palestinian would say well
what do youan I built a house I've been
living here and they'd say well I own it
and you better give me 10% of what you
make every year if you want to live here
so they basically kind of you know bully
them into robbing a little bit of money
from them but when the Jewish fund came
out and they said because they had big
International financing backing them and
they said Hey listen if you're a Jew
anywhere we will pay your way and buy
you land if you go join this project and
move to Palestine so they would pay them
and then but the condition was
you cannot have an Arab on that land
they can't even work the land and so now
rather than someone from Lebanon or uh
coming over who made this condition now
uh this was the Jewish fund the
international fund that would pay for
your your your way but you could not
have an Arab on the land so now it's not
just some guy uh because they wanted to
create a Jewish homeland and they want
they knew from the very beginning that
uh transfer as they call it would be an
essential part of this project that's
not like the common SL is that's the
only democracy well yeah I mean if you
overlook you know if you overlook a
whole lot of other elements then you
could kind of call it a democracy like
if you just look in here but don't zoom
out here you could say it's a democracy
but but anyway so so now it's not just
some guy from Lebanon coming over and
saying hey I claim I own this even
though it's totally illegitimate by any
like modern Western capitalist
standpoint it's not legitimate ownership
of of land but he says hey you got to
give me 10% I mean that's one thing
that's you getting shaken down for 10%
but now it's a Zionist settler saying
hey I own this land get out you know
this this house that you built or your
grandfather built that's mine now I'm
kicking you out of it you can't even
work the land here anymore I won't even
give you a job on this SP what example
if you flip that for us here Americans
living if someone came over and was like
doing the same exacting and said the
British Empire gave me this piece of
paper that says I own your house you go
the British Empire doesn't even exist
anymore cuz this is after the fall of
the Ottoman Empire this was happening it
was an old piece of paper from the
Ottoman Empire they had collapsed this
post World War I they had collapsed
already um so uh so that's how it that
that's when they refer to oh they were
just buying land so it as you can see
clearly anyone if if you with anything
like um in the the tradition of Western
liberalism Classical liberalism or
libertarianism like if you read John
lock this is not the people who
homesteaded the land are the rightful
owners of it not the people who had some
piece of paper from some Colonial Empire
that's dead it made no sense but so this
started building up a lot of tension and
there's just a lot of uh there was
conflict back and forth but again
zooming out what happened is a group of
Europeans decided they wanted to set up
a state in an area where that was
already inhabited and that first through
this buying land process started moving
them out and then of course um uh fast
forward to 47 the United Nations a group
of European powers no one within
thousands of miles of or I forget the
exact numbers but it's not like all the
closest uh members who were like
anywhere near Palestine all voted
against the partition recommendation the
Europeans decided that since what
happened to the the these people in
Europe was so bad that they should get
the majority of this land that had
already been inhabited and then when
this when when creating the state of
Israel came into existence because I
know there's a lot of people like I just
heard Benny Morris the other day and
he's arguing like yes there was talk of
transfer but it wasn't necessarily
inherent and if the Arabs had taken the
partition recommendation then maybe
there wouldn't have been this transfer
but all of that is irrelevant that's
what would have maybe happened none of
us know what would have happened if
things had been done differently but
what did happen was that in the ballpark
of
750,000 uh uh uh Arabs were either
forcefully kicked out or fled and
weren't allowed back so they were in
effect at e Al cleansed out of this area
and basically have been refugees ever
since and then in 1967 Israel took
obviously control of the West Bank and
Gaza and they've had it the whole time
and you can get lost in the minutia of
every little thing and you go through
the first antifa or the second antifa or
any of this but the bottom line is that
these people have lived under
totalitarianism since 1967 and that is
unacceptable yeah and you can spin
anything I mean you get in many of these
things and you see things being spun but
if you look at Human Rights
organizations uh even um Jews who like
you yourself you have your Humanity on
tentura have you seen the film tentura I
have not I'm familiar yeah uh you have
the uh historian that you mentioned
earlier what was it jewi Elon Pape and
others academics uh it was a Jewish
historian with the tentura film uh
actually he was a film writer or
academic and he came out and he
collected all of these reports of what
was happening in these in this town
there was just one town of the many and
uh these atrocities that were that were
happening and then they went after him
so what really gets you know people to
thinking is why would you have people
like yourself you're Jewish uh Jewish
historians AC people on the ground there
who just are seeing the Injustice you
know it's part of our AG to to to um be
against injustices and they're coming
out look I used to be a Zionist I'm as
you mentioned I'm a holocaust Survivor
Zionism was very important for me as a
Salvation of the Jewish
people until I found out that the state
was founded based on the extration the
explosion and multiple massacres of the
local population and that's not
historically controversial you know and
then you have these human rights
organization Amnesty International the
human rights organization is in Israel
calling it a parth state that it is the
un saying that is occupied well I mean
how do you spin that stuff well it's
very you know and then there's one more
there's one more you mentioned when you
were talking that uh I was really
disappointed because I was kind of um I
was telling you before I was planning to
have J RFK on the program we had been
speaking back then when he had the in
Instagram still and then um to hear him
talking to you deeply disappointed and
and frankly kind of dumbfounded by your
position on Israel's war in Gaza and and
there was many points solid points
things that you were bringing up one of
them was um you he he brought up the uh
the meeting at the um was it Camp David
and then you just shut that down so
beautifully you talked about uh there
was a book by schweer Swisher swier
Clayton swier the truth about Camp David
read Clayton Swisher's book The Truth
About Camp David this guy went around
and spent three years interviewing
everyone everyone who was a part of
those negotiations and the official
story that Arafat just walked away and
he had such a good offer but he wouldn't
take it is not true and all of the
players involved admit this and then the
actual this is what would just blew my
mind you quoted an Israeli Prime
Minister who said I wouldn't even take
that deal Lomo bename the Israeli
foreign minister during the negotiations
said if I was a Palestinian I never
would have taken the deal we were
offering them well it was the um it was
uh shomo benami the for forign Minister
and he was a foreign minister during the
Camp David negotiations he acting
foreign minister one of those things
again they bring up said they're always
they're against peace they don't want
peace they just want to eradicate the
Jews and look this is this is true from
like the all throughout Israeli history
is that there's examples over and over
and over again of the top level Israeli
officials admitting it and and admitting
not just that there's this great I
learned this from uh Daryl Cooper uh uh
has a an amazing podcast series it's a
it's a real time investment uh it's one
you recommended to Joe R yes it's like I
think it's like between 26 to 30 hours
it's basically a book on tape um but he
is just so brilliant and just knows so
much about the history what called again
it's called Uh Fear and Loathing in the
New Jerusalem people can go listen to
this for free right yes yes it's free
it's a martyr made podcast is the name
of the podcast it's really just so well
done and and I'll tell you something
about it what's really amazing about it
too is that he's really not he's really
not taking sides he's really telling you
the story and he's also saying like hey
look put yourself in their position put
yourself in the position of someone who
was the victim of pgrs and the victims
of the Holocaust and all of this and
there and you may get to a certain point
where maybe you're just sick and tired
of being the victim and let's not worry
about okay yeah this may not exactly be
right but what we're going to get killed
if we don't do this and then put
yourself in the position of people who
were living in this land and then get
this impos and he just goes through the
history but there's lots of little
nuggets that were very interesting from
things I didn't know even though I had
read a lot about this but so there's
this one um uh example in so in uh
1956 uh mha Diane who uh famously uh he
is known for being he was the defense
minister uh during the 1967 war but this
is before a few years before that this
is in 56 and there was a uh there was an
Israeli Lieutenant who got killed by a
couple Arabs right outside of Gaza and
mo MOA Diane gave his eulogy at his
funeral and he's saying this from a
pro-israel perspective he's not like a a
pro Palestinian by any sense of the word
but he says in this eulogy he says to
the effect it's this is pretty close to
the quote he goes let us not judge the
Arabs who who killed this Lieutenant
because how could we blame them we drove
them from their land and now they're
sitting in refugee camps watching us
build a a land on what was previously
their land of course they're going to
hate us we'd hate them too if they had
done that to us and he goes on to
justify it he's like but you know this
is correct and so we must create the
state of Israel and if that's what it
cost that's what it costs but he admits
right there they don't hate us for our
freedom they hate us because we drove
them off their land uh ahud Barack
former Israeli Prime Minister said if I
was a young Palestinian I would be a
terrorist too I would join one of these
terrorist group saying who's saying that
now that was AUD Barack the former prime
minister the Prime Minister before uh
Benjamin Netanyahu and so and there's
countless examples of stuff like this
and so that that's the point I was
making schlim Mo to me said I wouldn't
have taken this deal if I was the
Palestinians either because it's such a
bad deal but then it gets spun like oh
we offered him everything and they just
wouldn't take it and so look it's it's
the at the end of uh Daryl Cooper's
podcast the conclusion that he comes to
which I know people will laugh off or or
dismiss not laugh off but dismiss is
like
but he was just making the point that
look these two people the the Jewish
people and the Palestinian people they
have a deeply interwoven history at this
point you know and there's just kind of
no getting away from that and there
whatever the solution to this problem
like a peaceful solution is it's never
going to be perfect it's not going to be
what everybody wants but it to just
start with at least an admission that
look this happened and it was wrong it
is actually a very powerful thing and
that there at least some type of
reconciliation of acknowledging that
this did happen it was wrong okay we
have to move forward from here in the
same sense you know a lot of people will
say to me when I start talking like this
they'll go uh they'll go oh so Dave are
you saying we should give the land back
to the Native Americans in in America
and it's like well no that's not exactly
what I'm saying I'm saying it was wrong
what was done to them and we can
acknowledge that and and it for any
Native Americans who are still around
they should have their rights protected
they should not live under
totalitarianism and I do not take the
position as I'm sure some people do and
I understand where there would be some
uh uh Arabs who would take this position
that basically all of it should be
returned to to the Palestinians and that
you know from The River To The Sea ought
to all be Palestine of course there are
zionists who take the position that from
The River To The Sea ought to all be
Israel I'm not taking that position I'm
saying that look we're generating later
at this point and as history is is
riddled with injustices and you can't go
back and undo every single one of them
but you can at least some point say look
this occupation has to end this war in
Gaza right now has to end the idea that
you get there has to be some type of
compromise where you recognize that it's
like okay I don't think Israel is going
anywhere although you know if they keep
pushing it like this maybe they actually
might put themselves in Jeopardy um
because they are turning International
opinion against them so rapidly at this
point but I think there is I I don't
believe that it's impossible for there
to be a peaceful solution to this and I
think that actually there were lots of
opportunities in the past where that
really could have happened I saw you
very frustrated I was also watching you
talk with um debate with with Robert F
Kennedy Jr I was I was someone who
admired some of his previous work and to
see him someone who's a environmentalist
uh to see someone who's kind of a uh he
had that Humanity that was on with many
other issues but with this now uh to
even use his voice to say cease fire
stop yeah he's asking you you know some
questions that um I was just so
surprised I was shocked that he was
trying to also equate the the
Palestinians uh the Jews there the
zionists there with indigenous people
like the Native American
it's unbelievable oh my God it's just
it's just painful to watch and trying to
equate Hamas to the Nazis as if there's
any real comparison to that you know and
I I said to him at one point I go you
know the Nazis controlled almost all of
Europe and Hamas doesn't even control
Gaza like how how do you even make this
comparison and um and then he opened up
and and he said um pretty much
that summarizing what he said it's
pretty much he said the IDE ideology but
he's pretty much saying this is Islam
versus je Jews pretty much it's an
ideology driven conflict that's not
Territorial and has no negotiating
position and then he made it he left the
impression that it was just they want to
kill all Jews that has committed to the
genocide of all Jews not only in Israel
but all over the world and I want to
just put this to rest this is something
as a Muslim uh we talked about the
history there that they were
and we have Orthodox rabbis and others
you know historians who documented that
Palestinian groups leaders military
groups saying we have nothing against
Jews we tolerate Jews we lived with Jews
thousands of years together the 300,000
people left Spain where did they live to
China Japan Australia no they left to
Turkey they left to Algeria Tunisia
Morocco Albania in the second world war
it was a small Muslim country and they
had few thousand Jews there nazzi
Germany has occupied Albania but n
single Jew was killed in Albania you
know where the Muslims were hiding the
Jews they were hiding them in mosks in
basements in in in in all types of
places and they saved all these 5,000
Jews in Albania we're going to live
together as the same as it was
everywhere as the same as Jews Liv in
Turkey Algeria Morocco in Iran till now
peacefully
without any problems in Jerusalem was
somewhat a place of Peace okay you might
have isolated incidence okay any other
but I don't know if you know the story
of Omar uh the um second caleff of Islam
do you know the story when when the Jews
were this a very uh interesting story
it's uh documented that when the Jews
were forbidden from being in Jerusalem
and he conquered you know this is before
salahu and he conquered this area um
sophronius was the person that was the
person in charge from the Christian side
and then he said where the Jews at and
he said we drove them out and and he
ended up um repopulating bringing in 70
or somewhat 80s uh families and he
repopulated the community of the Jews he
says uh where is Theif and the guy on
the camel does like this he nods with
his head at the guy leading the camel so
sophronius turns to the guy leading the
camel and goes where's the khif and the
guy leading camel says I'm
the and sephius goes dude you're dressed
in
rags the guy's pants were H were mended
multiple times his shirt was mended
multiple times and he goes no no I'm the
KH and so fonus goes you've just
conquered Iraq and Syria and all of
Palestine minus Jerusalem how is it
you're so
poor and the khif goes well why would I
collect wealth I'm we're not doing this
war because I'm trying to plunder
anything I'm a humble man with humble
needs I just need good
meal and then sephius goes why aren't
you riding the camel and Omar goes uh
that's my servant on the camel and we
take turns so that neither one of us
gets
exhausted at this point sephius is like
oh what who just conquered us and then
sephius goes oh but you're going to like
seize property in the city
and so and the goes no no we're not
going to take anybody's property we're
going to leave the city exactly like it
is the only thing I want to do is eject
the Roman
politicians with whatever they can
carry and sephron goes there's nothing
to negotiate yeah we surrender the city
this
instant I I don't understand
actually at that point the khif says I
want to see the temple
mount and coronius goes
why and khif goes because it's holy it's
holy to everybody it's holy to
Christians it's holy to Jews it's holy
to Muslims and sephius goes nah we
haven't been treating it as holy to
anybody and Omar goes what do you
mean and so seonia says so after we tore
down the second temple of Solomon when
we conquered
Palestine we turned the Temple Mount
into a garbage J
to punish the
Jews and so and the goes what do you
mean and sephius goes yeah we've been
there's like 500 years of refuge on that
thing it's just a garbage
dump and he goes show me they walk up to
the Temple Mount and the can't believe
what he's looking at he falls on his
knees and he begins clearing the garbage
by his hands his army sees
their leader on his knees clearing
garbage and they run up and they start
clearing the garbage
themselves and they clear the garbage
off the Temple
mount the khif goes
okay I want to meet some of the Jews
living in
Jerusalem and sophronius goes there are
no Jews in
Jerusalem and the KH goes what do you
mean there's no Jews in Jerusalem the
city is Holy to the Jews how could there
be no Jews and he says well us
Christians we pretty much murder them
every chance we get we really hate Jews
in fact in the war we just did against
the Persians the Jews sided with the
Persians and so we murdered 20,000 Jews
in Jerusalem and completely purged the
city of its remaining Jewish
population and Omar goes no this is
wrong you can't do
this and so he turns to a convert to
Islam a Jewish convert to Islam and he
says I need you to find me 80 Jewish
families that were willing to volunteer
to move to Jerusalem so we can
reestablish a Jewish presence in the
city and
that's how the Muslims conquered
Jerusalem and and that's the stuff
that's left out of your history books so
my question is if Muslims hated Jews and
if it was a part of the ideology one
during the Holocaust where did the Jews
flee yeah where did they flee if uh you
have places in Albania and Bosnia where
my family's from to this day you have
Jews there in turkey and places and was
it in was it in Algeria where they
protected the Jews um uh when the Nazis
were trying to get them hit them in MOS
B you know forging documents so from
that if it was a part of the ideology
Islam to hate Jews why would they when
the Nazis are coming knocking on the
door saying give up the Jews they're
they're actually lying to protect the
Jews why it doesn't make any sense so
it's clearly not inherent in the
religion it's not in I I I would
challenge you know someone like and it's
not you know this other person that you
debated uh she also had stated he said
uh to be a devout Muslim you have to
hate Jews so these are the kind of
things and then people actually they
hear this and then they're just like is
that true is that for real and then you
start developing this fear that's why I
asked you asked you to be are you scared
of being right so but when you really
know history when you read when you
study um this is something that also
when you look at um you know Muslim is
allowed to marry a Jew oh really I
didn't know that yeah okay this is basic
stuff right Prophet Muhammad he had two
Jewish uh wives right okay that's I
didn't know that you know and so my the
point is if you're allowed to marry a
Jewish woman yeah and you're supposed to
hate her at the same time that marriage
is not going to work right well it's
it's kosher food you're we're allowed to
eat uh would you have halal meat if it's
kosher food we're allowed to eat Jews
can actually pray in a MOS they cannot
pray in a church I don't know if you
knew that uh so these are just basic
points if people knew these things there
the most honored woman in Islam is a
Jewish woman you know her what her name
is Mary the mother of Jesus right right
chapter named after in the Quran so this
is nonsensical yes we hated Injustice
yes there was people there was groups
who did uh treachery that's different
story we can talk about that but in a
general context this is anti-islam to be
anti-jewish that's that's very
interesting and you know I think that
it's kind of like it's very similar to
the um the narrative after 911 that they
hate us for our freedom and so if that's
true then you have to throw your hands
up in the air and there's no nothing you
can do to solve that and in a similar
sense if it were inherent to Islam to
hate Jews well then h i mean we can't
really solve that problem and so it's
nice to it's it's actually very helpful
to learn that that's not the case and I
remember you know like um and I want to
I want to I want to issue a $10,000 or
more challenge to that L that lady or
anyone else because she said it's all
over the Quran more than in Kemp of of
Hitler there's some money on the table
if you can go ahead and find it deliver
please absolutely yeah yeah I I I I
don't think you're going to get a
response from that but it's good it's a
good offer to put out there I mean I
remember one of the things that I read
about um was um after 911 after I got
into Ron Paul and all this stuff and uh
you know is the they hate us for our
freedom thing and I thought it was very
interesting that when uh after uh World
War I when the the US uh formed the king
crane commission and they went uh into
the Middle East and they were doing like
uh Mass surveys and they were trying to
figure out who Syria wanted to to rule
them under a League of Nations mandate
and they overwhelmingly went for the
United States of America because they
liked America they didn't like the
British and the French cuz they had been
colonizing them but America was like the
city on a hill and they oh they're about
Freedom we would like them and so it's
like oh no they didn't hate us for our
freedom they actually loved us when they
thought we were afraid a documentary
called Dirty Wars yes yeah Jeremy scel
yes okay you've seen that document so
you got people like having a wedding
they're hanging out and their Farm their
cave uh wherever in Afghanistan next to
you know you got a drone from 10,000
mies up blowing up your
your family blowing up the wedding
you're going to create some enemies yes
exactly that's right and and anybody
would respond in that way and look think
of the um the amount of
anti-muslim uh feelings that arose in
America after 911 you know this is a
it's a it's not justified it's not fair
to blame all Muslims for what a group of
Muslims did however it is also very
predictable human a predictable human
outcome that if you're attacked by a
group of people the level of resentment
against that group of people is going to
rise and so this is also what I've been
saying from the very beginning I was
like look if you're actually concerned
about anti-Semitism if you're concerned
about people hating Jews well then what
Netanyahu is doing is the worst thing
you could possibly do because this is
guaranteed to make more people hate
Jewish people you know like just and I'm
not again I'm not saying that's
Justified but like if you live in a
neighborhood and a bunch of black people
come in and start beating people up is
the level of prejudice against black
people going to go up or down it's going
to go up because that's the way human
beings are unfortunately and so if you
actually wanted to create a world with
less uh less Jew hatred then you'd be
completely against the way they've been
conducting this war in Gaza and then of
course the other thing and this has been
true for the history of Zionism is that
they kind of have this weird symbiotic
relationship with hatred of Jewish
people and in fact they kind of like it
and kind of benefit from it and they
because look um so even at the beginning
of the rise of the Nazis there were many
um of the zionists at the time who were
kind of pleased with that because what
it was they were telling they were
telling all the Jews to leave Europe and
that's the same thing the zionists were
telling them like yeah yeah leave Europe
and come here that's right the more
inhospitable it is in Europe the more
people might want to come here and help
us with our project here and of course
this is part of the reason why Netanyahu
has explicitly stated that he's he's was
supporting Hamas for many years because
having a a group that you can point to
as terrorists that allows him to say I
have no partner for peace that allows
him to continue the occupation and
continue the blockade right and so
there's this weird dynamic where it does
seem like often times these people kind
of benefit from each other and who
suffers for it for the most part of the
Palestinian people and in to a lesser
extent the people of Israel too
because they get caught in the middle of
uh you know acts of terrorism and and
Military campaigns and all this stuff
speaking about 911 and it reminded me I
just saw this uh clip this program with
a friend of yours that um was up not too
long ago and we were talking about these
wars and what was happening and I'm
going to get your reaction to this as a
bank really for these wars is because
Americans don't know anything we know
very after 911 I think about it now the
propaganda to make me afraid of Muslims
I can't even imagine being a Muslim
growing up after 911 in America because
I know how I felt about them and I was I
was young I was 11 years old but that
beating every day in our heads that
every Muslim was a terrorist was the
idea that you got I make jokes about it
but like you don't understand like I had
to shave my face to go to the airports
my mom would make me shave my face like
at school like I was so young this is
actually funny I had a a mustache in
like the fourth grade and my mom made me
n it cuz she was like you got to like
because it was really really bad cuz
whatever your like the household would
say the kids have no filter so they
would just say whatever they wanted to
me but at a young age I realized that I
myself as a middle eastern was racist
too I was like oh it's not us it's them
and so I would point my finger out of
fear like they did it but then I went to
um uh I went to Saudi Arabia and I don't
think I've ever been to a country that
was more hospitable to me the the love
that I got the respect that I got I
literally sat back and I hung myself out
to dry on a podcast I go wow I was
brainwashed I was so scared I didn't
bring her yeah yeah same and and so
first I want to say just like to all
Muslims going up during that time in
America I am sorry on behalf of America
for the way that you were treated that
it is so unacceptable when I go back and
I reexamine that propaganda that
brainwashing that took place in the
classroom to make me scared or something
I didn't even know what a Muslim was I
remember going to the airport and
someone was a Hindu and I was scared of
like oh my God they going take this off
of his head I thought that was right
there was no education the reason for
that you he who contrs the textbooks
controls the enti country in myew right
it was because everything that we did
responding to 911 should be assessed as
whether or not they were crimes against
humanity we bombed a million Iraqi
civilians we killed a milliona what we
doing Iraq were on the they just said
there's weapons of mass destruction and
then they never found them but they in
the process they killed a million Iraqi
civilians right and we it made us think
it's okay to just keep bombing Muslims
that that was the purpose to me of that
educational propaganda and brainwashing
is that we we feel nothing for Muslims
if they die she's been really great on
uh on all this stuff I'm I'm very
impressed with Candace um she very smart
and really courageous and willing to
take positions that are going to that
are not going to make her life easier um
but yeah I think she's also being a
person like you a person of reason
now her humanity is on she was also
calling you know she quoted something
the about blessed out of the peacemakers
and you know um to see what's happening
this genocide and now she's speaking up
but then to get attacked from one side
and yeah well there's kind of no way to
not get attacked from from one side or
or the other in this but again as I was
kind of saying before that it's like
this is the way you know the way these
things always work this is true with
every government and with every gang and
with every is that there
are the who suffers are the innocent
people and then you have very Corr
obviously look there is real corruption
in Gaza too there's corruption with
Hamas getting this money from uh through
Qatar and not using it for for you know
what I mean like the people and instead
some of them are a bunch of them go got
to Qatar and they're living Rich there
now and stuff like that that's very
corrupt as well there's corruption
there's all types of corruption in the
Israeli government I mean Benjamin
Netanyahu is largely motivated by the
fact that he might end up in prison if
this war doesn't continue I mean there
were protest of hundreds of thousands in
the streets in Israel right before this
so you see this Dynamic where it like
kind of gave him a Lifeline you know
which is like so sickening because now
like for your own political purposes you
must you know engage in this Mass
Slaughter campaign but the bottom line
is that things one of the things that's
kind of been exposed during this latest
war in Gaza is the new landscape that we
live in now and how this is not the same
scenario it was in the 80s or 90s or
something like that that there's all
these independent shows and the amount
of graphic footage out of this conflict
is unlike anything I've ever seen I mean
even in the in the wars in Iraq and
Afghanistan I mean we got some footage
out of it but it would mostly be like
like aerial footage and seeing like a
strike come in and you're kind of
removed from the but I mean the amount
of like I mean babies dying under Rubble
people are seeing this every day and I
at least maybe there's some some hope
that this just won't be able to continue
um obviously it's been able to continue
up to this point but let me ask
question let me ask you this um just
couple a few more couple more questions
I wanted to ask you I was supposed to
have I did a show program the first one
I did with Max blumthal he's
award-winning independent journalist
he's written for the New York Times Los
Angeles Times and now he's with the gry
zone and I had him listen to uh Chris
Kom youve heard of Chris KOMO and Chris
Kom was talking about this film that
they had seen not a film this
presentation by the um Israeli
government to certain reporters and then
he came out and he did a report talking
about charred bodies this that the other
really gruesome things disgusting things
and um I am not a card carry member of
Hamas I like I like hummus I I love love
hummus I love hummus but look um I'm not
somebody who's was really infamiliar
with many of the groups and and and that
and but obviously you see the Injustice
and you're speaking on a side of truth
that's what you're trying to do my point
here is um so Max Blumenthal when we
showed this he called out Chris KO
because Max had done a lot of reporting
on this and talking about the Hannibal
directive he was talking about um many
of the Israeli newspapers who were also
reporting on things that were
contradicting the official story and it
was like hold on I mean it's like okay
um so then Chris contacted me he reached
out to us and he wanted to come on the
program um and and have a discussion
with Max so we were going back and forth
and then I finally had um we set up a
date he ended up postponing it and then
finally he said that he can't go on any
other podcast because some deal he's
having but me and Max came back on
anyways my point here is that you have a
lot of this atrocity propaganda if it's
proven no doubt about it be the first
person to condemn any grape I don't want
to say explicit words you know cutting
you know horrific evil disgusting things
that get people to emotional crazy level
like we have to go attack these animals
who are doing this but then you had
Chris KO who actually had y uh Yousef
Basim on the program uh and Yousef bosim
comes on let's talk about October 7th
October 7th is a TR stairs attack it's
terrible Anthony blinkin went on in
front of Congress and he testified about
an incident a family of four a young boy
and girl six and 8 years old and their
parents Around The Breakfast Table the
father his eye gouged out in front of
his kids the mother's breast cut off the
girl's foot amputated the boy's fingers
cut off before they were executed and
then their executioner sat down and had
a meal that is a direct testimony from
zaka and hula United they killed the
husband first they took his eyes out I
saw the body by myself they cut the
breast of the woman they cut the leg of
girl two relief groups from Israel that
they have actually been exposed that all
of the stuff that they said has been
lies and they' have collected more than
$50 million of donations
our volunteers when they came into the
homes and they saw the children beheaded
if they were not busy raping women they
would have continued to Jerusalem
because of these unverified lies and
this has been reported by the Israeli
media arts Channel 13 and time of
Israel
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same time in Israel people talk about
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Max's reporting on this and I do think
that um it does look it's very clear
that there were
exaggerations there were claims that
just were not actually true um it also
seems kind of unnecessary because there
were horrific things that happened on
October 7th and so it doesn't see like
why you have to then lie on top of this
yeah if anything that's that if it's
something that you know innocent people
we condemn yes of course now of course
there were also attacks on Military
uh outlets and that's a little bit of a
different situation that's not the same
thing as as attacking innocent civilians
you know attacking a military that is
keeping your uh people under blockade
and you know continually bombing that's
that's a different that's at least a
different moral question um but there
was no there is no question that Hamas
did kill innocent civilians on October
7th there is a question of what
percentage of them were killed in Cross
fire with the IDF that's there's a
question of what how much the IDF did
there and there should be a much more
thorough investigation of all that
that's the point investigate everybody
yes well you want to know you want to
get the TR um but I think it's the the
OB independent outside organization to
investigate but look from my perspective
when I see the almost everybody who
takes the pro-israel position on this is
implicitly saying that they don't value
Palestinian life as much as they value
Israeli life that is the overwhelming
claim it's the only reason why for
anyone even if it you you buy this human
Shields argument that they they're using
which is you know not exactly clear that
it's founded in objectivity but even if
you buy that if you go like well we just
got aama we know we're going to end up
killing all these kids but we got to do
it to try to get to this one Hamas guy
you would never accept that if the price
was Israeli life you know what I'm
saying like you would never accept like
oh I'm going to kill a whole bunch of uh
innocent Israelis because we're getting
one suspected bad yes we should blow up
the school I mean no one would accept
the only way to get there is if you
fundamentally don't value Palestinian
life as much as you value Israeli life
or American life and if you just look at
if you just say no I think all life is
precious all human life is pre if you
just take that position then it's very
easy to just get to the conclusion that
like yes it doesn't matter which side
does it killing innocent civilians is
inexcusable you cannot do that that's
what makes us that's what makes us not
Savages that's what makes us civilized
people is that we don't believe that
that's okay and it's if you just accept
that then first of all you'll accept
that there's no way you can support this
war in Gaza um and and after that the
additional point to that and this is
kind of the back to what I was saying at
the beginning the Ron Paul point is that
it is not it is just not true that the
goal of this war is to eliminate Hamas
as they say the this war if you
understand anything about history this
war guarantees Hamas or a Hamas like
organization or some this this
guarantees more uh terrorism short of
killing the whole two million plus
population in Gaza or ethnically
cleansing all of them out of there there
is no way you can do this to a group of
people and they will not want to
violently respond to you you're
guaranteeing it for the future and of
course that again this is human nature
anybody did this to nobody there's no
group of humans in the history of human
existence who would accept these
conditions and not try to fight back
what uh what do you say as we conclude
now for people who are caught in the
um in this and they're seeing you know
the the 4K imag
of the innocent children and whatnot but
they're Tor between you know much of the
slogans the propaganda the
programming um you went through what you
went through a lot of reading a lot of
studying how can a person take a
shortcut what do you advise for somebody
to to get to the bottom really what's
going on well I I would say the f I
would Daryl Cooper's uh Fear and
Loathing in the New Jerusalem is the
it's it's very easy to exess it's it's
audio which a lot of people prefer like
listening to to reading um I personally
wish he had written it in a book for
someone to go deep that's like 20 hours
something yes yeah it's 20 plus hours
someone's like you know I I don't have
that much time anything else you don't
have uh well look I did on my podcast I
did a brief history of uh of Israel it
was a two-part series called part of the
problem my podcast it's yeah you can
find on YouTube on iTunes gas digital
uh.com is where you can go through all
the the EP episodes um and that's just
it's a short it's a briefer version of
it obviously if when you're giving a an
80y year history in a couple hours it's
just you know hitting like kind of key
points but I would just say that which I
think the whole Spirit of me and you
sitting down is is that you you should
feel free to reject the false Paradigm
you should feel free to reject this
thing where like if um
either I if I if I want to be against
this war then I have to hate Jewish
people or if I want to be uh uh against
this war then I have to
support uh Islamic terrorism or
something like that and if you want you
know what I mean if you like all of that
is nonsense you don't have to trap
yourself in that binary there there are
people who fall into that binary but
they really are the minority and people
who are saying what you're saying and
what I'm saying far outnumber those
people the people who are sitting here
saying no I don't have anything against
Jewish people I have something against
what the government of Israel is doing
to the Palestinian people and the people
who are saying no I do not support um
Hamas I don't support support anyone who
kills innocent people but I am saying
that I do support the innocent people
who are living in Palestine and that
their life is every bit as precious you
know like I'm a dad I got little kids I
look man when you see the the pictures
that you know they were posting them in
New York of the uh uh the hostages and
they have pictures of of babies up there
and I mean I like I don't know exactly
everything that happened there hasn't
been a full investigation but you see
the idea that a baby died it's just like
the worst thing in the world to me I see
my kids in that face but then I also see
my kids in the faces of all these
Palestinians I try just try to put
yourself in the situation of imagining
what that would be like it's like the
worst thing in the world that you could
think of that someone would ever do that
to one of your kids and that's what we
should all every human being should be
on the side of of being against that and
that you would exhaust every every
conceivable option before you would ever
accept that being done to anybody's kids
what's our slogan Where do we get this
from of freedom and liberty for all yeah
that's yeah that's what I like that's
that's what I'm all about so they want
the freedom also to control their own
water their own air their own uh uh able
to build and to have uh um not someone
coming in soldiers coming into their
home sleeping in their beds things that
we would not stand for you know often
say we get pissed off someone parks in
our in our driveway yeah you know yeah
no that's right or takes their fence and
maybe you know takes two inches from the
survey right and goes over the property
line yeah that's people ready to come
out guns blad yeah no that's right
that's right and look no um no no group
of people would accept what the
Palestinians have been given since 1967
and and there's you know I we we should
do more to encourage any peaceful
solution to this absolutely and uh I
just want to knowe from an Islamic
perspective anytime doesn't matter in
war or anything it's very clear
non-combatants are to be non- touched
yes that I am familiar with yes that
it's very clear a a very powerful um
verse in the Quran chapter 5:32 saying
killing one innocent human being non-c
combatant innocent human being is as you
kill the world saving one innocent life
is if you saved the world yeah well
that's beautiful yes thank you again
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