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showah alhamdulillah alikum peace be
unto you this is a very special episode
of the dean show we're here in Texas
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around the TV and enjoy this week's show
because we have a special guest David
gullian
who comes from a background of Baptist
missionaries 50 years in the making he
accepted Islam and he's here to tell us
his story on the dean show we'll be
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the the Mr David Gan gulan I'm going to
start off with peace as we do as Muslims
Alum Alum Asam peace be with you how are
you sir alhamdulillah now I'm very
honored to have you on our show thank
you now we we get a lot of special
guests like yourself people you know we
we interview from all walks of life you
know you you seem like someone you know
when you look at you you know somebody
who who's just a uh an American and
people are looking like man is this the
FBI or
something or you know the chemistry
teacher you you just you know somebody
from from outside is looking in it's
like man this it's not a Muslim you know
because they think Muslim you know uh
Arab Pakistani what happened here uh uh
basically uh when I uh came to the point
that I investigated Islam uh I felt that
based on what I knew I was forced or
compelled to become Muslim uh By The
Sword no simply uh forced to become
Muslim because uh it was uh the uh
correct religion or the right
belief okay so tell us a little bit
about your history you heard me mention
in the beginning that 50 years of
Baptist missionaries yes my uh parents
uh they're now deceased they were
Baptist missionaries in the Philippines
for uh 50 years my father was a soldier
in the US Army in World War II and
following the second world war he went
back um even as a young person um I came
to realize that there was a difference
between the uh Jesus of faith and what
must have been the person of history and
it wasn't until I began investigating
Islam that I began to make sense of who
Jesus was okay and doing this
investigating uh uh say using the Bible
I eventually became Muslim yes what year
was this at this was in March of 96 96
right and what happened was uh Dr uh
Alum invited uh me to uh
talk to him in the Abu Bakr mosque uh uh
here in Houston and uh I went and I
really wasn't that interested um in fact
the only question I asked during the
whole time that he was there that I was
talking to him or they visiting with him
was I asked him says is Prophet Muhammad
the prophet as You' find in you know the
Bible and he said yes
well in my opinion I didn't think that
he was but I was going to investigate
because now I had all that I needed to
make an investigation so I I simply went
home uh uh got out my old testament uh
ran down the different proofs list in
the Old Testament as to what defines a
prophet as they are uh defined in the
Old Testament then I went out to make an
investigation of prophet Muhammad and uh
to my great surprise he fit the criteria
then I was interested I had my attention
I got two translations of the on and
over a two we period I read both of them
I read one translation and the other one
and I felt this strong comp uh poon you
know to become a Muslim but I did not
want to become a Muslim I uh said to
myself if I can find just one good
reason not to become a Muslim I will not
become a Muslim and so uh I spent three
months trying to find some good reason
not to become a Muslim but based on what
I know I felt that I had to become a
Muslim and so that's why I'm a Muslim do
you get sometimes people people reacting
in a way like when when you tell them
you're Muslim what kind of responses do
you get you say come on you're kidding
me so uh no quite often uh they uh might
uh uh think that it's unusual they think
it's unusual to be a Muslim I just
simply uh tell them that essentially uh
What uh uh Islam teaches and what all
the prophets taught was make God Central
to your life then you either show or you
prove it by taking care of your fellow
human being and if you uh say for
instance check out the gospels in the
New Testament you'll see that
essentially uh in uh wherever your
different portions that you look Jesus
told people to love God fear God obey
God at them all together they mean uh
they essentially add up to making God
Central to your life and and then you
are to show or prove that this is so by
by taking care of your fellow creature
and Islam does the same thing if you go
to the MOs listen to the Iman and see if
essentially what the message that he
gives you know Friday after Friday has
made God Central to your life and take
care of your fellow
creature why do you think this is
usually when we explain Islam without
even saying Islam when we explain the
tenants of Islam that Islam calls you to
worship none but the Creator to set up
no partners with him only like you said
make that the Central Key point in all
your worship only God and to believe in
all the messengers of God and the day of
judgment accountability and to establish
good character in your life to do good
you know people are like they they can
relate to this but as soon as you put
Islam in front of it there's a problem
why why do you think this is it's simply
because I would uh because they would
associate the word Islam with something
being different or
foreign uh but in effect uh the word
simply uh ultimately means submission to
God which is what Christianity and uh
say Judaism teach is that you should
submit to God tell us what would you do
how would your response be we we've seen
some in in the media uh you know you're
coming out of a a mosque or mhid or an
event and you know a a uh family
gathering and then outside of the mosque
you you had someone uh holding a a sign
saying uh go back home go back home go
back home go back
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home go
back back
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don't we're taking a picture of me
stupid camera out here you ter go home
stupid terrorist go home go home go
home we're patriotic Americans and we
love our Constitution and it's going to
stay that way get out of
here go home get terrorist mother
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home you
guys get out of
here
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go
go how would you respond this uh if I go
back home I go to Houston cuz Houston's
my home I was uh born here in Texas so
if I go back home that's where I go back
home yeah and uh submission to God is a
universal message so wherever a uh
person lives or a creature lives that's
her home yeah and in other words
submission to God is something that
should be done regardless of
where uh person is how's your
relationship with Jesus now as opposed
to then uh if you you read the New
Testament and you simply don't know
what's going on you find a character who
you believe intended good that is very
mixed up mhm and that would be the view
of uh Jesus now now with Islam uh you
can then understand what Jesus was about
which was uh essentially uh he believed
that uh it was his role from God to uh
show Israel how to be the example for
the world to follow in submission to God
and take caring care of their fellow
creature and um eventually uh when uh he
felt that he was rejected by Israel uh
if you check say for instance Matthew
21:43 uh he told uh the leaders of uh
you know Jewish community that the
kingdom of God would be taken from them
and given to another Nation or um um or
community that would in fact do what
they were told to do and then for
instance if you check uh John you'll see
that there was to come a comforter uh
who would uh be a perfect
guide um a lot of Christians for
instance might uh say that this refers
to God the Holy Spirit but then again if
you check the same Source you see that
this comforter had to be told what to do
other words he didn't speak of himself
he spoke of what someone else told him
in other words it could hardly be a God
who doesn't know what to say or has to
have someone tell him what to say you've
written a book called The Last Christian
yes what's this book primarily focus on
okay uh
it uh it is the theme that it is
involved in is trying to
differentiate the Jesus of History the
person who actually walk the earth and
the Jesus of Faith uh the first half of
the book is largely concerned with
trying to uh explore how the Jesus of uh
Faith came to be the second half is
trying to put together uh the Jesus of
History the book is called the last
Christian because uh Jesus the
historical character you know uh is not
the same as uh the Jesus of Faith so in
that sense he's last Christian also a
problem you have in trying to
reconstruct the historical Jesus is you
can find indications or you can find
things that indicate what the historical
character was but very often you can say
well I know I got something here but
it's hard for me to say How firm it is
so it' be much like you're building a
structure or house where say well I know
I got a piece of straw here this piece
what I even think I have a board here
and that's in that sense Jesus is the
last Christian because you can't
completely reconstruct the historical
Jesus now what you do find is that all
the indications of the historical Jesus
do not conform with the Jesus of Faith
you know amazing we're going to we're
going to take a break and then we're
going to take some questions from our
live audience when we come back okay
we'll be right back here with more here
on the dean
show and with good deeds uh we'll find
that good breeds
good clear out your mind in your heart
of hatred MH and preconceived
notions racism and
nationalism because you cannot have
anything inside of you that's like that
against people and still be successful
with welcome back to the dean show and
we're here with the author of The Last
Christian David Mr David thank you again
for being with us we're going to go
ahead we're here in Texas y'all and
we're going to go go ahead and uh get
some questions from the live studio
audience here on the dean show follow me
all right it's not the oaho show this is
the dean show and we have our
brother
mujahid please step up here had a
question for
David uh yes David
alaykum um within the 50 years as I as I
hear you have uh extensive history in
regards to speaking to people about God
and the message of God how did that
differ whenever you embraced Islam um
it's very rare that we actually see
Muslims going to places and you know
knocking on people's doors or kind of
doing the sort of kind of Evangelical
work let's say uh do you find that it's
a bit different now to talk about God or
the format and not necessarily going to
the people maybe like you had in the
past H how did that change how do you
deal with that now a big difference if
uh you're going to be like a Christian
uh missionary or a preacher that that
sort of thing when you talk about God
you're primarily talking to people
because you want to get them into heaven
because you want them to believe in h
the Divine sacrifice of God's Divine son
when you're talking to people in Islam
you're trying to uh tell them the
message of all the prophets which is
also the message of uh Jesus is that uh
they should make God Central to their
life and they should show or prove it by
taking care of their fellow human being
and you would then uh uh when you talk
about Islam you would simply tell them
that essentially what you have in Islam
is you have a tried and proven living
community that has done just that that
has a record of how to do that and uh
that is what you speak about when you
speak about Islam thank
you we're going to go move on to the
next question
young young young brother please come up
step up here and go ahead and ask your
question to uh David go ahead all right
Sal W um I heard there is a Old
Testament um recording that says to tell
to be able to distinguish a true prophet
and a false prophet and uh the a false
prophet or will be the one who tells
false prophecies they prophesies about
something that doesn't come true now um
so we have this issue or this conflict
of the teachings of Paul and Jesus
Christ peace be upon him um what are
some of the Prophecies of Paul and did
they come true okay uh essentially uh uh
at some time during
Jesus's uh time on Earth his ministry he
came to the conclusion that Israel was
not going to accept him as their Messiah
and he then said according to uh say
Matthew 2143 that God's kingdom would be
taken from Israel and would be given to
another Nation or another community that
in fact would do what they're told to do
now Paul who uh would either was either
uh who was a Jewish scholar or partisan
or Zealot this didn't go down very well
with him uh according to the record as
one finds it in the New Testament he
first was a persecutor of people who
followed Jesus then uh he had a nervous
breakdown and after his nervous
breakdown he said that Jesus came to him
in a series of visions and dreams and he
told them
you know his message and you find that
in this message uh you have a different
Jesus from all the indications of the
Jesus who actually walked the earth now
Paul the thing remember about Paul is
that Paul said everything he taught or
preached or believed or said or did came
from Jesus now uh uh in two occasions uh
for example uh book of uh First
Corinthians chapter 7 Paul uh tells the
people that Jesus is time when he's
going to be coming back is so short
doesn't matter that if they Rejoice
don't Rejoice marry marry or don't marry
uh buy or don't buy it doesn't matter
now this was 1900 years ago this didn't
happen you'll find in the fourth chapter
of first Thessalonians that he was
telling his audience the people from
thessaly that before everybody there was
dead Jesus was coming back this didn't
happen now remember he said that Jesus
told him everything that would happen in
the future and uh Paul certainly at some
time during his lifetime believed that
Jesus was God so Paul was saying that
God told him this and that it didn't
happen so either you should believe God
told him this or that is Paul making a
mistake and uh where this is a test of a
prophet is you'll find in Deuteronomy
chapter 18 it says that a prophet If he
if he speaks in the name of God and he
tells you something's going to happen it
doesn't happen it's a it's a false
prophet giving a false prophecy and
don't listen to him here in Texas thank
you very much and we're going to go to
the next we have time for one more
question young man young man please come
up and ask you a
question wait hold on before you start
see we're in Texas I haven't heard
nobody say
y'all don't Happ go
ahead how you doing no
this yes um you mentioned earlier that
some people may see throughout your your
time as a Muslim that people have seen
Islam to be
foreign what are some things that you
think that practices that Muslims
Muslims can undergo in order to
eliminate that or what have you seen
through your lifestyle that M Muslims
have practiced or that the perception
have been from non-muslims concerning
this okay uh the question of perception
is you uh you you have a community that
is distinct or different and Muslims uh
should just simply concentrate on being
if they're distinct or different and
being distinct or different in a good
way which is what Muslims are supposed
to do supposed to make God Central to
the life and take care of their fellow
human being and as long as they practice
that they're fine exactly thank you very
much and that is it for now we're going
to take a break and we're going to be
back with more here live the dean show
in Texas y'all sit
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and if we're going to worship something
I figured I might as well worship the
Creator instead of any of the
Creations now in upon investigating all
the religions I remember finding out the
meaning of what Islam is what a Muslim
is those who surrender theel to God is a
Muslim those who surrender submit to God
God's will that is it Islam was pure it
was just you just pray to God your
creator begin
back here on the dean show live in Texas
and we're here with David the author of
The Last Christian we have a few more
minutes before the show comes to a end
and I have just a few more points I want
to cover did you get a chance to watch
these Senate hearings with the Pepe King
Peter King uh only for a few minutes uh
I really didn't get to watch that much
of it they
were coming together
discussing the radicalization of Youth
so basically when you see some of the
politicians who are really supposed to
be working to create understanding you
know between the people bringing people
together but we really want the
politicians and people out there to
understand us better because maybe they
have good intentions but they they're
Mis misunderstanding us okay here's
here's what I what I would say yeah uh
the question is about whether Muslims
are or not good citizens the
Constitution defines what a good citizen
is and the pram says we the people of
the United States in order to form a
more perfect union to establish justice
ensure domestic tranquility to provide
for the common defense to promote the
general welfare to uh uh secure for
ourselves our posterity the blessings of
Liberties do establish and ordain this
Constitution of the United States any
Muslim that can say that is a good
Muslim and most Muslims can say that
most Muslims will Embrace that most
Muslims are good
Americans that's right I like that
masallah so before we come to an end
tell us now where can people if they
want to read your book The Last
Christian where can they get this okay
uh uh uh simply remember the title last
Christian go online you can go to either
uh Amazon.com or Barnes & Noble the
people who uh actually publish this book
are author house like I'm the author and
I live in a house author house go online
they sell the book as well they also
sell it as an ebook hopefully Texas
company Texas Global Traders will also
soon be selling the book uh but uh
remember my name David Gan and the title
last Christian and you can simply buy it
online it'd be the quickest easiest way
to do it I'd like to thank you and any
closing comments for those who are out
there and the way of life that they're
living they're not happy with it it's
confusing and and they want to step out
of the confusion and they're just a
little bit timid you know culture class
sometimes they see Muslims as people who
they just can't identify with but they
can identify with Islam what advice do
you have for that uh Islam if it's
practice the way it's supposed to be
means peace it also means the best form
of life other there words if a person
makes God the center of their life and
by doing so they take care of their
fellow human being they make the world a
better place and that is what Islam is
all
about thank you very much thank you very
much may God Almighty the Creator reward
you for being with us thank you so much
and thank you again for tuning in to
another episode of the dean show you
might not like spicy food neither do I
you might not like dressing a certain
way you like dressing your way as long
as it's in a modest way don't worry
about it you can do it in Islam it's all
good as long as it's pleasing to the
creator of the heavens and the Earth and
as as you heard our guest say making God
the central point in your life just
worshiping God not worshiping Jesus not
worshiping statues icons idols
monkeys elephants none of these things
only worshiping the Creator and doing
good doing good to your neighbor doing
good to your parents doing good to your
fellow brothers and sisters in humanity
this is what Islam is about and you met
an American you met an American we've
interviewed Romanians Hispanics Islam is
the fastest growing way of life in the
world and thank you for coming to the
source to learn about the most
misunderstood yet fastest growing way of
life in the world Islam practiced by
over 1.5 5 billion and you could be a
Muslim too you can be a Muslim too
because a Muslim is simply one who takes
that free choice that they have of
either submitting to the creation of God
or submitting to God and you know what
the right thing to do is submit to the
one Jesus submitted to that's the one
God the one Creator and do good deeds do
righteousness and this is what Islam is
calling you to get a free copy of the
Quran call the number on the screen 1800
662 Islam read the verbatim word of God
and continue to come back here to the
dean show until next time we started
with peace we end with peace peace be
unto you salam alaikum come and see what
everyone's talking about if you find one
contradiction it can't be from
God but the rational idea the rational
explanation is you do your best give up
worshiping God as one I will never give
up spreading this message I hope that
you take that necessary step you don't
know if you're going to live till
tomorrow so you got to find that urgency
to do the right thing right
now if you say that you do not believe
in Jesus you have stepped outside of
Islam you cannot be a Muslim is a Ted
our faith
to it's cold it's
lame everybody
sleeping I
arise and ask a lot to forgive me
oh Allah you
see oh Allah you
know all the sins I
do I turn to you to forgive my sins of
my heart
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