so what do you think about Dan now who's
I want to get your reaction to uh to so
you can have all the women you can have
all the fame he's been picture with
every celebrity every party allahar I I
like the Muslims I mean I think that
they have a pretty peaceful religion
they get a really bad rap in the media
Jim KY said that I wish that that I wish
people could realize all their dreams
and wealth and fame and I think there's
a lot of attacks on India recently I
early morning in Mumbai the Indian
Muslims are not like that cleaning human
excretor from the city's streets you
know there's idol worship to Trump in
India you can
see welcome to
India this is the
the
the okay his argument was that uh blue
is an attribute of your shirt just
because your shirt is blue doesn't mean
blue is your shirt something like that
right so there's two problems with that
conceptual problems the first is you can
come up with any particular theology but
then how do you link that theology back
to the uh to ISA Alam to Jesus they
can't do that there's no connection
between the Trinity historically and
then taking it back to what um isau
Islam preached so there's a breakage
there the second point is they believe
God to be co-equal and co-eternal to the
father Son and Holy Ghost co-equal
co-eternal so are they saying that the
existence of the shirt is co-equal to
the color
blue does that make any sense I I can't
argue in defense of the Trinity because
that doesn't make sense to me so I don't
but that was his
argument but it just leaves people in a
state of confusion
still you know it's Phil you get into
all of these philosophical arguments but
I mean when you say one is one that's
it that's it
Allah's one done I think with us look
the best way of dealing with um these
type of arguments is always just being
respectful so it doesn't get into a
heated argument but looking at The
Logical structure of it how does it
follow I always go back to the
historical connection so if someone says
okay so this is what I believe as a
person right okay this is my sect or
whatever okay how do you connect that
to uh you know uh what Jesus peace be
upon Him taught and they can never make
that connection it's always okay I'm
making this logical argument for
whatever but if you don't show the
linkage then why should we believe it in
the first place because we can show that
to comes from theam can they show that
their conception of Trinity goes back to
ISA Alam historically it doesn't do you
remember Dr JD Dirks you interviewed him
yes so he was a former Methodist right
and he was a deacon and I remember you
interviewed him about uh Christian
trajectories uh Islamic trajectories in
early Christianity that the early
Christian sex actually had belief
similar to what we believe about isaam
yes about God being one yes so how do
they explain that logically that the
early Christians believed in not the
Trinity and then you know what's
interesting where we're here where we're
here uhan can tell us even more the
deeper history where you got the
bosnians here were Unitarian Christians
is that right the BAM linking it back
did you know that that here the history
comes that they were also uh people who
only believed in one God they went away
from you know many of the uh teachings
of the church they were considered
Heretics but when Islam came like when
it came to you God is one you accepted
it you didn't have to run but you just
logically makes sense one thing I
realize about the the online debates is
that even though off the debate you
Orthodox will make fun of the Catholic
the Catholic will say Orthodox is
heretic they'll say unitarians aren't
real Christian they'll say these people
are blaspheming all this stuff when it
comes time to debate a Muslim all United
they to say Christ is King Christ is
King right even though off the debate
they don't even agree with that even the
the unitarians will say Christ is what
does that mean why don't you just say
Christ is God why is that the slogan
what do you mean King and when you pray
why don't you pray to the Holy Spirit
why why did Jesus why not the father so
the and not only that it's not just them
who come together everyone atheist comes
together agos the Jews U the the Zionist
everybody comes get against Islam this
one phenomenon that you see in Speakers
Corner once I was having a debate and
see other brothers having a debate and I
looked the people I'm debating there was
a Zionist there was an atheist
there was a Christian there was a fire
worshipper and I'm think in all of you
it against Islam I said you increase my
faith here I mean it's unbelievable all
of you against Islam that's why don't
argue with each other and they they talk
about differences of opinion when they
can't agree on the fundamental concept
of God exactly but when you've got
regardless of the sexs in Islam all of
them believe in one God Allah they
believe in the prophet they believe in
the Quran right do you get it even in
prayer as well there's five prayers you
have to give a charity HUD pilgrimage
respect of parents like the fundamentals
everyone agrees
on I just want to see an atheist argue
against a Jew I've never seen that the
strongest atheists will never ever
criticize in fact they have a lot in
common with the with the Jew but they're
always attacking Islam why is
that because they believe well they this
is what we speaking about in the car
that Islam wields political power as
well and influence
but the thing with Christianity other
religions is it's easy like Christianity
doesn't it's like we were discussing a
controlled opponent that you can you
know speak to the Vicor speak to the
popes get them to kind of change their
views and stuff like that it's more
difficult with Islam because our
Traditions are so well preserved even if
for example we're discussing a Surah
here a chapter of the Quran if he
recites it and makes a mistake in it
five of us will be like uh that's wrong
why because the Quran is mass memorized
the language is accessible we have
manuscripts dating to the time of
preservation or even at the time of the
Prophet be be upon him even the chains
of narration of the Prophet sayings
there're so maticulously preserved and
presented this is something absolutely
unique to Islam it's it's the truth it's
it's simp it's it's the truth and
anything that is the truth it's going to
be hated it's that's that's one of the
things that's been said in history
that's what it is bro you have now even
more and more Americans I think the last
poll I think it was Pew research I'm not
sure it was uh 50% of Christians don't
believe Jesus Is God 30% of evangelicals
don't believe that can you imagine they
did a poll and they realized 50% of
Muslims do not believe Allah is one what
you talking about bro can you imagine
there was I think it was greater than
that I don't think it was 50% I think it
was in the like 70 80% I can remember
this study what do you mean bro can you
can you yeah can you imagine the main
Doctrine and you've got lay man coming
and saying no I don't I don't believe
Jesus Is God you don't believe Jesus Is
God man that is so deep and this is what
the issue with Christianity is they hate
the fact that the Trinity this is one of
the I one of the um early early church
fathers they were un a unarian guy you
know what he used to said to them the
trinitarians he said how much longer are
the muhammadans going to mock us for
this belief he was basically saying you
idiots stop saying God is free and run
they are laughing at us on this uh
matter so that's what they cannot fathom
and people like David wood and them I
don't believe they they're Christian I
believe they're atheist I don't believe
they are and they are so hateful because
Islam has debunked the Trinity with a
respectful way we're not here to insult
we don't see us ripping the the Bible
attacking churches we're just
respectfully saying the Trinity doesn't
make sense worship God Alone Allah says
in the Quran come to let's come to
Common terms between us and you we
worship God alone that's all we're
asking you I'm not here to fight you I'm
not here to have a go at you I'm just
saying can we worship God alone and
because they don't like the fact that it
makes sense and so many Christians come
to Islam because if You' noticed one of
the hate Christian these pmics who are
absolutely like islamophobes they are
angry that we say Jesus is a Muslim why
do you have a problem with that you know
why because Christians know when they
leave Christianity they don't leave
Jesus they come and find the real Jesus
that's why they had the attack at man's
table why do you lie and say Jesus is a
Muslim he was not a Muslim they were
repeating this over and again even speak
as Corner Jesus is not a Muslim Jesus
not Muslim why does he bother you we
saying Jesus is Muslim why is they above
you because they realize there's
millions of people coming to Islam and
what's the one of the main reason from
Christianity cuz they don't get rid they
don't leave Jesus Jesus is a big part
for them in their life and they find the
view Jesus and that's what's happened
mean it happened to me when I was when I
was Catholic I grew up Catholic I never
prayed to Jesus when I go at night and
put my hands on the bed and stuff like
this I pray to God because because
that's what Jesus did and I had a
conversation with my Christian friend
yesterday it's like if you want to
follow Jesus you believe in Jesus why
don't you do what Jesus did Jesus prayed
to the father why why you skip the
middleman there you go once you skip the
middle man no no one need to teach you
that that's called the if nobody if
there was no religion bro and somebody
came and said to you this there's a
middle guy nah I'll go directly to the
source that's what you call the F that's
why we believe everyone is born a Muslim
the f is to acknowledge that you can go
have you seen that video of that little
kid little girl she goes oh I thought
Jesus was God have you seen it a little
3 four year old girl yeah yeah I saw
that video you know what that means
children are innocent right M children
are innocent when children say certain
things yeah okay they're innocent and
when you see that child saying hold on a
second I thought Jesus was God that's
the K saying this doesn't bloody Mak
sense I'm a three-year-old child it
doesn't make sense to me and that's what
the issue is bro because Islam calls it
that it's one of the most hated
religion go back to what you were saying
now this is something that um is really
powerful it's very simple it's logical
it doesn't take
a a lot of degrees to figure out so skip
the middl man elaborate on that well I
mean when you do business you want to
cut out the middleman as much as
possible you want to go to the right now
we're goingon to we're going to
slaughter some sheep we're Slaughter
some cows cutting out the there's no
McDonald's there's no one like
delivering it because it gets corrupted
or when you have better wi-fi you want
to just plug it in Ethernet cable go
directly to the source that's what Islam
is there's no bad connection directly to
the source just you and God what what
are what are some some of the push backs
been now recently um or just you've been
a Muslim now for what about a year year
and a half year and a half are some of
the top arguments that people throw at
you without even really looking at
without even contemplating and you know
the simple beauty so many beautiful
things about Islam in this concept we're
talking about God being one absolute one
pure monism before that what what are
some of the things that you just just
getting fed up with they just right away
criticisms of me reverting the yeah the
attacks on Islam on Islam um none them
are valid like I mean they say it's a
terrorist
religion debunked iMed if you take two
seconds to
and if Islam is a terrorist religion
then why is the United States not a
terrorist country right they just label
it differently if they're brown they
call it a terrorist if they're white
they say it's you know Manifest Destiny
or do you know what I found out here in
Bosnia When The War was happening did
you know they the serbs destroyed 400
over 416 mosques 614 614 mosques and
comparison to that the bosnians were
protecting churches yeah so now the idea
is this if we have this hostility
against the Christians then why did we
not do the same thing
614 compared to there was a couple of
cases of few idiots what kind of
comparison I thought we as Muslims are
taught to hate and attack the Christians
how is it that the Bosnian Army is
protecting churches placees of worship
vice versa does it say the not to
destroy a house of worship exactly wasat
the
Propet Christians and Jews that their
crosses their churches their synagogues
will be protected so I thought what
happened to us it's it's a big fat life
here's here's one thing I find boggling
look is that you know in the Bible you
have I'm sure you know this right now is
that it references Jesus peace be upon
him who we love as a might as a prophet
there's just Google it people can Google
it Jesus how many times he he mentions a
prophet in there he's mentioned a
servant all there he's mentioned more
than Muhammad in the Quran correct
uh different ways but yeah you can say
that yeah so why do you think Christians
get upset when we have so much in common
we're just calling Jesus by what he even
called in the B now there's some uh
implicit verses not explicit verses now
that they use you proba you know these
like uh I am the father are one before
Abraham was I am right very ambiguous
verses right but there's clear verses
that he they get angry because it's the
truth and they have their ego attached
to it because they have uh their
identity is so intrinsically tied and
they don't want to admit that they were
wrong that's why that that's the only
reason they get angry about it so I was
lucky cuz I grew up cath I never had a
strong strong attachment to Catholicism
so it was easy for me to to make the
change they don't worship you know if
you think about they don't actually
worship Jesus they worship their self
cuz Allah says have you seen the one who
takes his n as his own God which means
that you know that Christianity doesn't
make sense but because you don't want to
let go of it which means it's not even
about Jesus it's about yourself you
wishman yourself there there's a lot of
Christians that I respect and I'm
friends with and I know that they
resonate with Islam but they just there
are public personas so intrinsically
tied to it that they can't let it go or
else everything would change even though
like in time it would it would it would
come back to to normal they they don't
even want to learn about Islam because
they don't want they almost don't want
to know the truth because their their
public identity is attached to
Christianity I I interviewed once um
Owen Benjamin a few times and we were
talking he's close yeah and you know he
used to be the script writer for uh your
boy Tommy Robinson right uh you know you
know he was a script writer for he wrote
a song not no he was a script writer for
what's the louder for Crowder guy yeah
yeah and he wrote a theme song for uh
his boy Tommy Robinson shout out to my
boy T Aviv Tomy he's come
back so my point what I want to say is
now from from uh from here uh what
happened was um Owen was like man he was
somebody who was also good friends with
Joe Rogue ET you know how the story goes
yeah he's a friend of mine yeah you know
him also okay so um Owen
Benjamin uh he was like man I was
programmed to hate Muslims you know for
so long and he was like islamophobe then
he was like he went through the de you
know through all all of the programming
and he said man Muslims when they when
they say Jesus they say something real
simple as peace be upon him right these
other guys are saying he's burn we don't
have to No Name but he said they're burn
they say he's burning in hell right in
feces you know what I'm talking they
spit on him yeah right so then he was
like boom he had a aha moment and then
when the Bears you know the bears oh has
the Bears those are his like uh his
people are following him there's a bear
right here
oh and we got your boy orhan here yeah
so here's my what I'm saying is um
here's what I ask you with so at the end
when his when we did this program the
Christians who are watching us they also
were like man we were talking about
goats uh you know he lives on a farm on
we were just talking about basic stuff
communicating and they were like I
cannot believe for all these years I was
led to believe Muslims are terrorists
Muslims are this that and the other cuz
they know okay with all the other things
that the media are tells it's fake news
when it comes to Muslims I'm going to
swallow a ho right uh so this
conversation that we have was just so
good at breaking through a lot of those
barriers have you seen that happening
now the more you're talking to a lot of
your friends and whatnot when they're
seeing really when they give Islam a a
shot and look past the programming and
they see the beauty of Islam that you
know so many things open for him yeah
and uh where I'm at now is like I just
have to be the best representative that
I can be because uh the non-muslim they
don't read Quran they don't read Hadith
but they're read the Muslim so I think
that's the the best da you can give and
you know that's one thing we was talking
about we was talking behind you by the
way sneo but not back by so and us we
was thinking one thing that we love
about you is that you have that Zeal
that is for the is means like respect
that not respect that protective
protective jealousy for the religion the
fact that you talking about how people
are going to judge it through you and we
see how seriously you take the religion
because the prophet said I came for
nothing but to perfect good character
and we know the prop also said two
things that's going to be heavy on the
day of judgment on scales is toed which
is one's God and one's good manners good
etiquet and good manners is something
that the quray the Pagan Arabs didn't
have cuz what would they associate to
Allah they say Allah's daughters are
angels are daughters they were going to
associate Partners to Allah having good
manners starts with Allah meaning that
when one leaves shik you have improved
your manners and etiquet with Allah by
saying I de associate anything any kind
of pun us except you you're you're
fixing your manners with God Almighty
when you leave sh and then the second
phase The Scholar say is the prophet
Muhammad PE be upon him how do you fix
your maners with the prophet when his
name is mentioned you say it and then
after that for example trying to uh obey
his Sunnah then after that the SEC third
form of maners is the people at large
coming the people around you and the
fourth one is having good maners with
yourself so when it comes to committing
certain sins you say I shouldn't be
doing this you know it doesn't so
manners are in four stages sometimes
when we talk about manners it's like oh
table manners or this manners but it
starts from top to bottom and it's nice
to know that you genuinely have that
care for the dean where you're like okay
how I represent myself you know even
stuff we mentioned about um f Tri you
know like it concerned you the fact that
it concerns you it shows you have faith
you know there was a man who came I
think he came to one of the Companions
and he said I think I'm a I'm a
hypocrite a maaf not hypocrite maafi is
somebody who pretends to be a Muslim he
said the fact that you think you're a
manaf shows that you're not a maaf cuz a
hypocrite doesn't care if he's a
hypocrite or not but the fact that you
have the concern shows you have faith in
your heart I want to get your reaction
to uh to D was saying allahar cuz this Z
saying the most anti-Semitic thing you
could say you know Dan yeah yeah okay so
what do you for the people out there I
mean that's kind of like Hallelujah
right God is the greatest God is greater
right so what do you think about Dan now
who's you know coming around and he's
being a somebody who's being a strong
voice for what's happening and go I just
think it's it's the perfect example that
um the you know the lifestyle D it never
is going to satisfy you so you can have
all the women you could have all the
fame he's been picture with every
celebrity every party big alcohol Brands
gambling flashy money is like a perfect
representation of money Fame
American exactly uh and then that
doesn't satisfy the soul and so even
then the the Simplicity of Islam is
still reaching out to him because
there's not there's no amount that's
going to ever satisfy that need you're
always going to want more women more
money more this if you worship that and
so now he's just he's looking for
something to serve his higher purpose
and I do care he's like if I lose
everything if they want to disassociate
with my business because uh I'm not a
Zionist and whatever I already what do I
need more money for what do I need more
Fame for I'm just going to say the truth
unequivocally allahar I I like the
Muslims I mean I think that they have a
pretty peaceful religion they get a
really bad rap in the media um but have
met a lot of Muslims and they're you
know pretty morally sound for the most
part so you would consider being a
Muslim I don't know enough about their
religion I I think I'm going to probably
read read the
Quran not just on that point you spoke
about the D not being enough do you
think that's part of your journey to
Islam as well 100% yeah I I see it
similar and again like the way you were
talking about idol worship I think
there's a lot of attacks on India
recently I don't early morning in Mumbai
cleaning up human excretor from the
city's streets [\h__\h] there's [\h__\h]
everywhere in the middle of the street
how India is like when it's quiet and
I'm in a pretty good area there is [\h__\h]
all over the streets know if you've seen
people are making fun of Indians I think
it's good to specify that the Indian
Muslims are not like that like they're
not going to be in the streets you know
going to the bathroom they're not going
to be smelling improper because you're
supposed to bathe five times a day
you're supposed to wash up before you
pray you're supposed to show manners and
you're not supposed to be staring lower
your gaze and we all this stuff Hinduism
when they worship 33 million gods and
when they there's idol worship to Trump
in India you can
see welcome to India uh they
they they will pray to anything that's
the quickest way to become disgusting so
I wouldn't blame you know people
criticizing India on the Indian people
itself as an ethnicity I would just say
this is a problem with paganism with
idle worship similar to Dan right about
things not being enough why do you think
some people don't take the trajectory
you do and they carry on for decades
just trying to pursue that hedonistic
lifestyle because you can distract
yourself if you want to but if you're a
truth Seeker you're going to look for
something more and I think Dan was
always been a truth Seeker looking for
for what's next but if you want to you
can numb your brain with the the food
and with the media with distraction with
celebrity worship you could turn it off
as much as you want to but eventually
like you're going to become angry and
some people don't know why they're
having that reaction but it's because
they're they're searching for something
higher that reminds me of your
documentary about your lifestyle it's a
similar thing you tried everything I
don't know if have you seen his
documentary about his Li yeah kind of I
saw it you must have seen it it's it's
very very famous time ago how long was
it
long time ago yeah yeah 10
years a big factor like bazarian B yeah
same with this you know when you live it
we've we've lived it we've seen it
that's why when I came to Islam I fully
divorce the like I fully why because you
know when someone tells you this is
happiness and you're like yeah okay and
you chase it I would Chase it I would
live it I saw it I knew people who were
Rich who had the most beautiful woman in
front of me crying depressed I look at
I'm thinking I don't understand I want
to be like you and you're here depressed
on the verge of killing yourself I don't
I didn't it didn't make sense to me so
then you start waking up and then I had
obviously close people who commit
suicide my cousin hang themselves my
cousin we had we had a big suicide rate
in my community why because all they've
been taught is money money money money
money what you own what you wear what
you drive and my cousin his friend
killed himself my neighbor killed
himself and then when you just look into
and think to yourself subh Allah like is
this the life and then you go around
people I would I know how I was I was
around certain people and I wanted to be
a certain way and one thing I don't like
is to be fake to be something you're not
and for me to put that Persona on you
feel sick you're like why am I trying to
pretend something I'm not and you look
around you everybody is like that
everyone is pretending faking laughing
smiling you're in the club dancing when
the music goes off everyone's outside
most of them crying on the floor
depressed
drunk and once you realize and live that
when you see that for yourself a this is
why you know I I I call like obviously
we're revert I call Muslims who go off
the path divert yeah there's revers and
there's divver they divert off PA and
they come back but why because they want
to live and we're like listen brother
we've been there we've been there trust
me so so to me when I came to Islam I
went like you said you know you just
test it with your one feet I done a dive
why because I was so sick of the money
and the fame and I'll be honest with you
even now when I'm around people who talk
about money too much I genuinely have
this ick in my like I just it's all
about yeah it's fine and as as Muslims
it's good but I'm talking about those
who talk about materialism too much I
get sick Bro like of being so immersed
in it that you're just sick and once you
leave that a I can remember when I came
and joined like AA well I was so content
and happy do you know what I wanted from
life I don't care where I work 95 I do
not care as long as I can do da on the
weekends I'm happy bro it's this and my
dad would come and call me like he's oh
you've going to become a caveman now you
know you're going to go and and later on
obviously I understood um the power of
giving da in different ways cuz my dad's
a businessman do you get it so now if I
have any savings here and there I do try
to invest so my dad's like hold on a
second this guy I thought he's just
going to go in the mosque and sleep in
the mosque but now I do my da to him in
different ways so yeah like I'll be
honest with you once you find that
contentment like said if you don't find
the J here in your heart you will not
get into the Jenna over there once you
have peace in
this nothing they can take everything
from you bro like genuinely when you
have Allah when you and and I hope I
reached that it's far away I hope I come
to a point where if everything was taken
away from me and Allah is enough bro
there's nothing in this life that could
ever replace it and that's why you see
reverts who are so holding tight to that
you you look at revers you know why why
are these guys so like you know when
they come so obsessed we saw the dark we
was in a dark room there was a little
light given to us and we thought wow
what is that and then the light grew
like ald we've been in the dark room for
do you get it but there are people
making that dark room look good and they
want to go we don't we that brother
we've been in that room you know um and
and coming from Darkness from the heart
you know that's why Allah says it's not
the eyes that are blind it's the it's
the hearts you know and in Surah abas
it's very interesting because the
prophet he's giving da to the qur yeah
and then a blind man comes isn't it
interesting the qur heart's blind but
the blind man who's coming to seek
guidance his eyes are
blind look he's he's giving da to the
qur whose heart's blind they can see and
they don't accept it and Allah is saying
to the proph am no matter how much you
try they're not and there's not
blameworthy on you you're you're tiring
yourself but the blind man who is blind
physically his heart is open he said if
you just attended to him and that
teaches me in the da which I Implement
now if I speak to someone bro and he's
not listening to my like I'm giving him
simple logic like bro I don't waste my
time I go thank you bye-bye why am I
going to waste my time with you bro for
hours there's so many people who are
there was one sister she goes I came to
Islam because of ABD Rahim green talking
about
Stinger you know what Stinger is
she goes I found it profound like small
things like that you know what that
shows there are people out there that
are looking for guidance bro something
so small they would use it and even me
if you remember when I came to Islam one
of the reasons was the scientific
Miracles and when the scientific
Miracles kind of you know that we
changed our method in I was I was taken
bit back I was like what but you know
what's interesting Allah sometimes
brings people to Islam for the wrong
reasons and they stay for the right
reasons bro Ali you know what you just
said why the found is when AA came up
with that narrative that okay we're not
using scientific Miracles you're the
first di outside of the organization to
publicly say this I agree with even
though you came to Islam through it do
you remember in Queen Mary we had the
lecture and you publicly said I agree
with this and we were getting criticized
you remember but just on your point
about this life not being enough zishan
I was thinking about you know you've
interviewed some of these drill rappers
that guy with the mask what's his name I
didn't inter interview him I interviewed
one guy called friends of the bastard
that's that's so do you feel that what
he's saying what sneo is saying about
this life not being enough like even
though these guys have everything yeah
uh friendo was it friendo harami that
yeah yeah these guys do you think
they're along the same trajectory that
they they like sneo like Eddie they're
like they've got everything but they
know it's not
enough there's a saying of Jim krey
isn't it Jim krey said that I wish that
that wish people could realize all their
dreams and wealth and fame and so that
they could see that it's not where
you're going to find your sense of
completion people had all the wealth and
all of the material things to realize
that this is not where happiness lies
and sometimes it's because we don't have
that thing and we're constantly
plastered with that it's made to seem
like the objective but like one of the
End episodes of Only Fools and Horses
which is the top British sitcom and and
the whole seasons are to do with them
trying to become rich and then right at
the end he becomes rich and they're in
that apartment and at that apartment the
camera Zooms in and he goes yeah I
finally reached it but what now yeah and
that's why you've got the likes of Tyson
Fury Andre
Agassi um and um there's a few others as
well I think Israel Adena as well all of
them became depressed when they won the
title
because they made that the objective and
the goal then when they reached it it
was like okay now what I reached my goal
because the goal is not Eternal on that
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