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Salaceful.
Alhamdulillah. Peace be unto you.
Welcome to the Dean Show. Today we're
going to be covering the Bible. What is
the Bible? Where did this book come
from? We're going to be trying to
educate you, the audience. But you know
what? I'm going to have to go find
somebody qualified to talk about it. So,
I'm going to be right back. Search to
make sure I get a wise man, a person who
knows the Bible well. And we'll be right
back to discuss the Bible, what it is,
where it came from. Sit tight and we
right back on the Dean Show. Excuse me,
sir. Yes. Is that you, you? Yes. How are
you?
Peace be onto you. How are you?
Alhamdulillah. I'm so glad I found you.
You look familiar. I'm Eddie from the
Dean Show. Eddie from the Dean Show.
What are you doing here? I'm looking for
you. You're looking for me and you found
me. I I need you to come on the show and
ask some very important questions about
about the Bible. The Bible? Yes. And I
heard you qualified to do that. Being a
former preacher, minister. Well, you
know it well. I've been accused of
worse, I guess. Can you come on and join
us and help us out? Let me check my
schedule.
Yes, I can come. All right, let's go to
the dean show. Let's do it. Let's stay
tuned. We'll be right there.
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Salaceful
peaceful peaceful
salam. How are you? Alhamdulillah. I'm
glad I found you. Alhamdulillah. I'm
still kind of surprised that your
approach to just come out there and ask
me to come be on here and talk about the
Bible. This is surprising. Well, what
better person to bring on? someone who
was a former preacher. Yeah, but that's
the key. Former. I'm a Muslim now. Well,
you know what? You have a lot of
experience with the Bible. So, we want
to get down to it. We want to educate
the masses, the Muslims, and the
non-Muslims, Christians, and people who
aren't Muslim. We want to know what is
this book, the Bible, where it came
from. Give us some highlights, some
insight about this. But there's a point
here before we get into the program, and
I hope I don't disappoint you. I hope
you didn't bring me all the way over
here and I'm going to disappoint you now
because I tell you I don't consider
myself an expert of the Bible. But what
I can do is I can quote to you from what
real experts of the Bible have said in
the past and what they are saying today.
That I can do. That's good enough. Is
that okay? I can give you the references
and people can check this out. But I
don't want anybody to take me as being a
Bible scholar today because after all
I'm a Muslim and it wouldn't be right. I
don't like, you know, if somebody is a
Christian and he says he's the expert on
the Quran, that's not fair, is it? No.
No. So, and I don't want to do that
either. But I will tell you that uh I
have a lot of background with the Bible
when I was Christian. My father also had
a lot of background. He was a Christian
minister himself. One of the things
about my dad, he had read the entire
Bible by the time he was 10 years old.
And hardly anybody does that anymore.
And what I grew up hearing from him and
from the people in our family is that
they quote like this. My father would
say the Bible is the inspired word of
man. And then he would say clearly and
this is how I understand it that the
Bible is not in English the word of God
but it is God inspiring man what to
write. Okay. And even as a Muslim, I
will say that that sounds fair. That
sounds fair to say that because we as
Muslims, let's put our our format out
there, I think, first so people know
where we're coming from, cuz you got
non-Muslims listening to what I'm
saying. So they want to know where
you're coming from with what you got.
Well, we have the Quran and the Quran
tells us that in fact the Bible came
from God. Same thing my father used to
say. Yes. But it doesn't exist in that
format anymore. According to the Quran
does it says that the people had changed
made changes to it and man being
inspired by whatever he was inspired by
has made his changes to it and the
original doesn't exist but it's a the
criterion for the Muslim he has to
believe in what is being sent to
Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam and
what was sent down before this is in the
very beginning of the Quran it says that
that they have to believe in what is
anal to you Muhammad sallall alaihi
wasallam w
meanublic before you what was sent
before you and this is referring to the
kab in Arabic language kab means a
book okay now what has that got to do
with the bible well the word bible
itself is really not an English
word it became English word but it's
originally ko Greek it was biblios
biblios it means book literally it's a
book so bible means the book yeah
bibliothec means means a library
and so a place where you keep books. Now
the book is referred to in the Quran
many times and it's talking about the
kitab and it even says Allah has his own
book. There's a book with Allah has the
book of life is called in Christianity
and that's what the law and that's
Allah's book. It's not what the Quran
it's even bigger than this. Now just to
uh make a note when you say Allah for
our Christian viewers, non-Muslims,
Allah is the Arabic word for well you
have Arabic Christians. Yes. Yes. You
have Jewish people who are uh Arabs.
Yeah. Yes. So anybody who's an Arab,
they use the word Allah. And there's a
reason. Okay. English is deficient when
it comes to religion. Really not strong
language for religion. And one of the
things it has is this word called
God. But in Arabic, the word for God
is, not Allah. It's ilah. And that's
anything that's worshiped. So we're
saying basically this if you said my is
Allah. That's correct. My god is Allah.
But Allah is the name of that's the
creator of the heavens and earth who
we're talking about. Also, it can't be
made plural. Yeah. Ela can be Mhm.
Aliha. Alleha is the plural or no gender
female gender. You can have gender with
Eli but not with Allah. Allah. So just
for the people know what we're talking
about. Now back to the Bible. One more
point. Yes. Go to any hotel or motel on
the planet. Okay. Okay. And when you go
to the little drawer by the bed and you
open it up, what are you going to find?
A Bible. Yep. Open it. Take it. Turn
about six pages and it'll show you the
translations to Arabic and other
languages. Look at number two, which is
Arabic. and it will say right there in
in Arabic language for Allah so loved
the world and it uses that. So there's
the proof. So let's go back to a book
where many people try to live their life
by is this like you said the inspired
word of God or is it inspired word of
man and how does
someone know that this book is the
guidance for a person to guide to live
his life by?
Well, first and foremost is that God can
guide people by any way he wants to.
Don't you think? Yes. He can guide
people by a stop sign if he wants to.
Yes, he can guide them with a billboard
or the yellow pages. Certainly, he can
guide them with the Bible to what he
wants them to know or not know. But the
guidance is the always the key in Islam
is from
him. In order for the Quran to be
guidance for us, there are conditions.
And we've talked about it in some of our
programs in the past, but I just want to
set that out that just because somebody
reads Quran doesn't mean he's guided.
And just because he reads the Bible
doesn't mean he's not guided. Gotcha.
Okay. So, but the point about the Bible
is that it doesn't exist today in the
original format. We don't have it in the
original. The original format doesn't
exist. Now, this is not just Yousef
Estus telling you this. This is what I
know from all of the scholars of the
Bible, from the Jewish because that's
the Old Testament and from the
Christians when that's the New
Testament. Let me lay this out for you
and let you think about
this. There are a number of books that
you can go right now, Borders Books of
Music, uh,
Amazon.com, uh, Barnes & Noble. Mhm.
There are a number of books that you can
go and get in English explaining clearly
what the Bible really is by Bible
scholars. Yeah. Now, I'll mention a
couple. Who wrote the Bible? That's
going to be dealing with the Old
Testament by Richard Elliot Freriedman.
Now, that is clear. When you read that,
you'll know that the original Bible zero
does not exist. Misquoting Jesus. Is
that another good book? Don't jump the
gun. I got some more stuff for you
first. The history of the translations
of the Bible to the English language by
FF Bruce, a very renowned and well-known
Christian scholar. Say that again. FF
Bruce. Just go to look up Bruce. B R the
name of the book. It it's something like
the history of the translations of the
Bible to the English language. It's a
very long title. Gotcha. and he mentions
some of the things there
that now we're talking about really died
in the wool strong Christians believing
in the Bible yet they have said clearly
that they don't have the original
manuscripts do they know who the authors
are who are writing these books I'm
going to come to that okay now you're
excited I can I'm very excited yes okay
let's let's look at another point and I
want to go now to the book that you
mentioned which is misquing Jesus and
the author also has lost Christianities.
His name is Bart. Bart Aram. Yes. And he
used to be so strong preaching the
Bible. And the Bible is the absolute
word of God. It was revealed like this.
Maybe even saying it was revealed in
English. I don't know. By the way, no
Bible could be revealed in English
because there was no English language
until 900 years ago. 1066 AD. That's
when the Normans invaded the Saxons and
that's when they established the Angland
Angland England and Anglican church and
English language. That's when it
started. So, how could it be any prophet
ever spoke English? No. No. Well, that
means everything has to be translated.
So, when you got a translation, it's not
the original. And when you're not
translating from an original, it's still
going to be a problem. But Bart Aram is
the one who really, I think, laid it out
clear. clear as it can be because he
says in each one of the books that he
writes, he always puts this phrase in
there. We do not have a copy of a copy
of a copy of a copy of a
copy of anything original from any part
of the Bible. And he repeats it. He
says, I say five times, we don't have
even a copy of a copy that's a copy of a
copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of a
copy of a copy of a copy of anything
that's original. We don't know what it
said. But now he got that when he was
studying in Princeton. And he realized
by the manuscripts that they have now
and the archaeological work that's been
done that in fact there's no way to
prove the Bible said this, said that,
and there's no argument for against it
in reality. We're talking about Bart
Bartman, who's a renowned Bible scholar
who wrote misquing Jesus and Lost
Christianity and a couple other books.
Let's take a break and we'll be right
back on the Dean Show.
Muslims believe that every human being
is born clean and pure, ready to submit
by nature, which means no one will come
on the day of judgment and say, "Oh God,
you cannot punish me because you are the
one who created me bad by nature."
One of the wonderful things about Islam
is that we do not believe that human
beings were born into some type of
original sin or curse. We believe in
fact that the creator of all God
Almighty has written on the hard drive
of every human being the ability to know
him to draw closer to him and to worship
and serve him. Thus instead of original
sin we as Muslims believe in original
goodness.
Muslims believe that people are born
without any inherited sin. Although we
believe that we are from Adam and Adam
is from earth, we also believe that if
someone has committed a sin or a crime,
he should carry the sin on his own
shoulder on the day of judgment, not on
the shoulder of his sons or his
grandsons or his great great grandsons.
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When
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Allah Allah
Allah. Allah.
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Welcome back to the Dean Show. In the
Dean Show studio, Shake Ysef Estus,
former Christian preacher, minister.
We're talking about the Bible today and
we left off with Bark Irman's book,
who's a renowned Bible scholar, misquing
Jesus. Now, please continue on. Well,
what we were talking about is the
authenticity of the Bible more than
anything else. The Bible today is not
the Bible of Jesus. Jesus did not walk
around with a King James version of the
Bible. Okay? Nor did Moses or any of the
rest of it. In fact, a lot of what was
written was written after Jesus was
gone. A lot of what was written was
written and made up after he was gone.
Approximately how many years after?
Well, the closest they have to him and
this is the most is some said 12 years
after he was gone. But the reality is
that it's a lot more likely to be 50 60
and some of it even 120 years for the
original to ever become to start
actually writing down to to write some
parts of the New Testament actually were
written 120 years after he was gone. So,
is it like me hearing you say something
and then I get to if I live another 50
years from now, then I start to actually
start writing. No, it's 120. 120. You're
not going to live 120 years. Yeah. And
even if you did, you'd have been a
little baby at the time and you wouldn't
run. No, it means it's impossible that
some of what was written in the Bible
was really Bible at all. It was stuff
came up later to try to resolve issues,
try to solve problems, try to explain
things in words that they were using.
Because remember they were trying to
preach in Latin. Yeah. And they were
preaching in Kone Greek. Mhm. That
preaching in in the KA Greek was not
their tongue. They these followers of
Jesus were originally Jews. They were
speaking Hebrew and Aramaic.
So all of their stuff that they was
doing that's why there's so much focus
on KA Greek. But that is not the
language of Jesus nor was it the
language of any of the prophets before
Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John that are
attributed to Jesus. Who wrote these?
And is Jesus? Nobody knows. There is no
person named Matthew. There was no
person named Mark. There's no person
named John. No person
uh uh Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, none of
them. What it is, they had manuscripts
that had code letters on them. But to
give it a personal effect, what they
said was, "Well, we know some things
about the author." And for instance,
Matthew, they said, "It seems that he
was probably a Levite." And the Levites
were tax collectors. It looks like he
was a tax collector. It looks like he
was. And they basically fabricated up in
their minds or exaggerated in their
minds who this person might have been
and gave him a name to fit the character
that they were coming up with. And
that's where the name comes from. Same
for Lucas which became Luke. Marcus
which is Mark the and the oldest of the
of these four gospels is considered to
be for more all intents and purposes is
the book of Mark and it is based on an
older book according to scholars a book
called Q. They referred it as they used
to refer to all of them by these letters
and it was called Q and they don't know
what is Q. They've lost that a long time
ago. Few more questions before we come
to a close. So again, is the Bible God's
word? Did God reveal this book, the
Bible for a guidance for mankind to live
by? Yes, the Bible was definitely
original. Well, yes. But it's the same
for the Quran. The Quran in the original
language is what we have to go by. If
you've got a translation of Quran,
that's not fair to say that's the Quran,
is it? Mhm. Is it? No. No. And so that's
not fair to say it about Quran or the
Bible. What you want to know is what do
we have that's authentic? So, we don't
have the
authentic, the authentic uh book that
was
revealed today. If somebody does, they
should bring it. We'd be happy. The
whole world would be really happy to see
it. So, now if I'm listening to this
program and I've dedicated my life to
like you, you actually dedicated your
life to the Bible. And you found these
things out. Do does a person continue on
uh going I don't want to discourage
anybody, Eddie. I don't want to
discourage anybody from and we have to I
don't like to make it look like, oh,
your Bible's all wrong and then leave
Christianity because then what will they
do? Become an atheist. That's what
happened to Bart Eron. He became an
atheist. He told me I I talked to him
myself and I asked him to come and be on
a show with us. He said, "No, I've given
up on religion totally now." Why?
Because he's so disappointed what he
found out. I don't want to disappoint
people. I want to make it clear that we
didn't come here on this show. We didn't
come here to talk about uh putting down
the Bible, putting down Christianity,
putting down Jesus. Well, he would never
do that. We love Jesus and we do believe
in the original Bible and we love the
Christians more than any other faith
group out there. They're closest to us.
What we want to say is guys, if you want
to know what the real Bible said, it's
still in Quran because Allah quotes the
Bible himself in the Quran. So, if you
want to know, it's not far off. For
instance, the expression worship my God
and your God. Worship my Lord and your
Lord. This is still preserved today in
the Arabic language. Jesus is the
Messiah. This is in the Quran. Jesus is
the miracle birth. This is in Quran.
Jesus is the son of Mary and she was a
virgin. This is in Quran. Mary is the
best of women. This is in Quran. And
Jesus is um somebody very important to
God. He is very loved and very special.
And he has a special place. So much so
in the Quran, he's named five times more
than Muhammad. Isn't there a chapter
named after his mother? Yes. Chapter 19.
Chapter 19. Sir Mariam. So, we love
Jesus. And if I say, "Look, I don't
believe in Jesus. All the other pro I'm
not a Muslim." No. Not only that, you
you're not a Muslim if you don't believe
in Jesus as the Messiah, as the word of
God. It's he's the word of Allah. He is
the He is the spirit coming from Allah.
It says this. And when Allah created
him, he said, and he is. So, he is
literally the word of God. The word
becomes flesh. We have no problem with
that. The difference comes in and we'll
do it in another program. We'll have to
talk about what's the difference that we
have. But we totally believe in so many
of the things we want to show where's
the compatibility where we can agree to
agree and where we can agree to
disagree. I think on those subjects but
let's come back to the Bible before we
have to wrap up the whole show. The
Bible today has too many versions for
anybody to take it serious in English to
be an original. I mean, you'd have to
really stretch your imagination to
imagine all these different
translations. But I wanted to say this
one thing that in the revised standard
version of the Bible which was published
in about 1953, the preface to it made it
real clear to me as a small
boy because it says in it many good
things about the the King James version
and the you know the the eloquence of it
and the cadence of speech in it and the
poetry and the guidance and many good
things. But then it says, "Yet the King
James version has grave defects." G R A
Ve grave defects to the extent that it
must be re-ransated based on some of
these old manuscripts. And it tells you
in details in there. And I have several
copies. If anyone want to read it, I
have a website that they can go to and
read Bible a closer look. Bible a closer
look. And the website's called 911
Bible. 911 Bible 911bible.com.
Now, when you hear something on the news
that your car is being uh recalled back
for a defect, you run back to return
this car. You got a problem here.
They're telling us that the Bible has
grave defects. So many and so serious is
the call for revision. That's what the
United Churches, the churches of Christ,
they came together. They came to church
and they said we this is so serious is
that we have got to come up with a new
translation. Where could someone verify
this and see this if they need? It's on
my website. You 911 Bible. 911 Bible.
We're going to have to come to an end.
Oh no. Tell us really quickly for
someone now who's, you know, you got
their attention and they they they want
to know, okay, now what's this Quran
talk about? What's the message of Islam?
Can you tell the people uh what's the
the main thing that Islam is calling the
people to? The main thing that the Quran
calls to is the same thing the Bible
called to. And that's why I'm going to
tell you for sure you can find
compatibility. The first commandment in
the Bible in the Old Testament, Exodus
chapter 20, Deuteronomy chapter 5, to
know, oh Israel, the Lord your God is
one Lord and you have to worship him
with all your heart, all your mind, all
your strength. Thou shalt not have any
other gods beside God. And then New
Testament clearly stating again to the
greatest commandment to ask Jesus what
it is. He said is to know, oh Israel,
the Lord your God is one and you have to
worship him or love him with all your
heart, all your mind, all your strength.
repetition of what we found in chapter 6
in Deuteronomy. And then now we look to
the Quran and we
find that Allah said he only created us
in the first place to worship him and to
worship him alone with partners.
Allah that there's only one God worthy
of any worship which is Allah and he has
no partners. One God that's worship most
important message of all of these works
not his creation. The first the first
testament called the they call old
testament the second one the big one
they call the new testament and the last
testament which is Quran all say the
same thing worship the creator not his
creations I'd like to thank you again
for being on the dean show and we'll see
you again we'll do it again willing
inshallah we'll see you again peace be
unto