Muslim country, but even in these this
country, this these Islamic countries,
it's burning me. God, someone
that are throwing acid in the face. She
suffered thirdderee burns when her
ex-boyfriend hired another man to throw
acid in her face. These people that
practice the Islamic religion open the
door as you would normally. And one
motion, bang, this is for you, mate. And
it's a guy called Yes. And that's those
are the words. David Phillips, which we
we'll get on to him in just a moment.
These Islamic countries, the attack
happened in daylight in downtown
Vancouver, Washington. Keeping it real,
keep it ready for We encourage people to
come to us.
Asalamikum, greetings and peace. How are
you guys doing? Welcome to the Dean
Show. I have my special guest, Mustafa
Must Omar. How you doing? I'm doing
great. Alhamdulillah. You've heard of
our friend Joe Hogan. Rogan. Rogan. Yes,
I have. There's so many people that have
been killed by drones that were
absolutely innocent. A lot of them
children, a lot of them women, a lot of
them completely, you know, civilians.
Yeah. Some of uh he's pretty um well
known also in the jiu-jitsu community.
You know, I do jiu-jitsu. Some of my
students have brought to my attention uh
some of his episodes. He's had some
great guests and they talk about
nutrition, they talk about sports, they
talk about, you know, different random
topics. But the the topics
that he's talked about are a variety of
different ones. But but one that really
caught my interest and usually it's not
just him. When people start talking
about the thing that's most precious to
me and yourself and over how many 1.7
billion Muslims when they talk about
Islam. Yeah. It really touches my heart.
But it also kind of throws you off when
they start talking. They don't check
their facts and they have and I've
noticed you had some people some
supposed experts on Islam just you know
candidly just freely openly speaking
about it but when you go back and fact
check and that's one thing that people
appreciate about Joe
is that he has the person in the back
end kind of checking the facts. But
here's the thing, you know, even when
you do go back, uh it's interesting that
in I believe it was in April of um 1979,
something like that, Time magazine did
an article uh discussing the amount it
was like over a span of 100 years over
60,000 publications, books were written
against Islam, right? So that's the
other thing when you go back and you
start, you know, factchecking, are you
really actually checking the facts?
because you're you're going to the the
Islamophobia industry is so huge. It's a
200 plus million dollar industry. So I
hope after this Joe he can invite
someone like you. You're in California,
aren't you? I am in Southern California.
Yes. Yeah. That would be I think that
would be great, you know. That would be
um uh being genuine, you know, because
you got all these people coming on, you
know, when you talk about uh Islam and
these are obviously Islamophobes, right?
Yeah. What do what what are your um
thoughts on that? Yeah. I mean, someone
who really hates Islam, they have an
irrational fear of Islam, which is what
Islamophobia is, right? They're going to
give you a very distorted view of what
the religion represents. So, it's it's
if someone is trying to be honest,
they're trying to be objective. They
like to do fact-checking. Then they
should make sure they bring a person who
actually can at least represent what the
Muslim viewpoint is and then weigh it
and then do your fact-checking and then
decide between, you know, what is fact
and what is fiction. Right? That's
exactly what needs to be done. Joe
Rogan. I mean, we have a a lot of
things. I think he's a pretty cool guy,
you know. I think that, you know, he
does jiu-jitsu. He's into health. He's
into real eating real food. We talk
about those things. And I and I would
paint to to an individual like it's you
you've also trained a little bit
jiu-jitsu, right? You know, for someone
from the outside who doesn't know
jiu-jitsu, right? They can't really
appreciate the technical aspect of it.
just like someone uh you know coming on
talking about Brazilian Gracie Juu and
they're like look at these guys you know
karate guy someone who's you know
because jutsu is not bad for bad for
business taking over right it's proven
most effective martial art and they're
like well what they do is you know they
get these guys between their legs you
know and they try to get them tap out by
having by squeezing them so hard between
their legs that their guts come out or
you know they put the arm lock on and
they get their their their um buttock so
close so they let the the toxic air out
of their rear come out you just I'm just
ridiculous things. But they can make up
stuff like this. That's an analysis.
Analysis, right? They're they're they're
commenting, but these guys, you know,
have no Joe who's an expert UFC
commentator, right? Now, someone comes
on who's who doesn't know the sport or
he's and now let's say this guy's a
golfer, right? He's commentating, you
know, he's coming on, he has no clue
what's going on in the ground. You can
appreciate that now you're talking about
Islam, right? and bringing on these u
excuse my language bozos they they don't
know um what really Islam you're an
Islamic scholar and this term is what's
let's start with that Islamophobia Joe
even said I'm set he said I'm
Islamophobe I am Islamophobic said it
yeah that's that's very unfortunate I
saw that clip and uh you know this idea
of he doesn't realize what Islamophobia
is or what it in fairness he also said
he was Christianophobic
Yeah. So we don't want to give them out
of context. Yeah. So I mean the context
in which he was trying to say it is that
look I criticize all religions. I don't
like other religions and I I should have
the right to criticize all of them. And
yeah from that perspective he's got a
point. Yes, he can criticize other
religions. Sure he can criticize Islam.
But there's two things you should keep
in mind when you're criticizing Islam.
You want to number one at least be
respectful. Right? You don't have to put
everyone else down when you're
criticizing them. Right? That's that's
intellectual integrity. And then the
second aspect is when you're
criticizing, criticize correctly.
Criticize with actual facts, right?
There are things you don't agree with.
Uh you don't have to agree with
everything. You don't have to you don't
have to accept Islam. But when you're
criticizing, don't criticize false
things, right? And and this is the
problem with with some of these guests
that he's been bringing on and some of
the comments that, you know, Joe was
making is that he's saying false things
about Islam, attributing them to Islam,
but they have nothing to do with Islam.
Totally false. Now, totally false. I
mean, this is that's misleading. Then
that's the thing. It's extremely
misleading and and not only is it
misleading, it's not only intellectually
misleading, it actually causes violence.
It Islamophobia results in people It
results in mosques being burned around
the country. Uh people being shot in a
mosque in Canada just a few months ago.
It results in people dying. From mosques
being burned down to people being
attacked for just looking like they
might be Muslim. The alleged case here
where an Indian man was killed in
Kansas. We saw an 87 and a half%
increase in hate crimes against Muslims.
Well, those are official numbers from
experts who study this day in day out.
That's not to say President Trump is
necessarily responsible. So, there
appears to be a correlation. We don't
know if it's a cause yet, but there
appears to be a correlation between
political rhetoric and hate crime. But
it raises the question, could Trump do
more to help stop it all? Here's what
history tells us. Following the 911
attacks, hate crimes spiked. 6 days
after those attacks, though, President
George Bush spoke at the Islamic Center
of DC, speaking of tolerance and hate
crimes dropped 66%
in the next 6 days. It results in people
failing to get jobs uh because people
are discriminating against Muslims. I
mean, this is this is happening. This is
a reality that's taking place and Joe is
feeding into, you know, putting more
fuel on that fire. Basically, he's
feeding into that propaganda machine
that's taking place right now against
Muslims, particularly in the West and
that's something that he should be more
careful about. Yeah. Where do you want
to start? There's a there's a few here.
There there was a lot. He's over over
the years he's brought on many people.
So, maybe we can do a continuation, but
I I I think let's start with
Islamophobia. Islamophobia. I mean so
one one of the guys he brought on he
comes up with this ridiculous idea that
uh Islamophobia
uh you know it it was invented by the
Muslim Brotherhood right right and
actually the term started as you may or
may not know it started with the Muslim
Brotherhood uh in a very smart strategy
and it's just this term so that no one's
allowed to criticize Islam and that's
not the point you go to any university
you know in in America and there's
articles critic you know criticizing
Islam or whatever it is, right? But it's
done in a respectful academic manner.
It's not done in a hostile manner.
There's a difference between that this
idea of uh Islamophobia being invented
by the Muslim Brotherhood. First of all,
so what if it was but but what what what
they're trying to say is that, you know,
we should be scared of them. We should
we should have this fear of what's going
on. This is a complete, you know, it's a
hoax. Basically, someone came up with
this random idea. Islamophobia is a term
that's been used for a hundred years.
One of its earliest appearances was used
in a a book written about the prophet
Muhammad peace be upon him in French. So
in 1918 they were using the term
Islamophobia in French um throughout the
20s throughout the 30s. It started to
become more prevalent in the 70s and the
80s and specifically after September
11th and with you know rising
Islamophobia that came out. This is so
basic factchecking that he could have
gone he could have gone to and I'm not
even going to advertise the website.
Robert Spencer is a guy who hates
Muslims to the core. He's like the like
the the king of Islamophobes basically.
This guy had to come out with an article
saying, "Look guys, we shouldn't make
this argument because it has absolutely
no basis whatsoever." So if there was
factchecking going on, and I hope, you
know, he goes back and double checks
this, this is just a false theory. So we
shouldn't just keep throwing out all
these red herrings which are which are
false just to distract people, you know,
away from the topic. Yeah. And that's
not that's not being uh in
intellectually
uh uh approaching uh the the topic and
it's not being genuine. And I think I
think Joe I mean I hope that this you
know gets to him and we know some of the
same people also and and I I hope that
uh he can he can take a turn towards the
better and and be more genu in in
covering this because it's something
that that does like you said affect the
lives of so many people. So many people
have because of Islamophobia, the hate
machine. Mosques are being burned down.
People are being killed. Leaders in the
Chicago area demand a hate crime
investigation after three Muslim
students were killed in North Carolina
this week. The students were shot in the
head Tuesday at their apartment complex.
A very disturbing note filled with hate
was found next to her. At 11:15 in the
morning, the teen walks into the family
Sky View Street home to find two things.
evidence of some kind of break-in in the
rear of the home and her mother in a
pool of blood on the dining room floor.
Next to her mother, she says, is a
hateful note to the effect of, "Go back
to your native country." Several US
cities, investigations are underway into
possible hate crimes against Muslims.
DeMarco Morgan is following this.
Surveillance video shows a suspect
punching, kicking, and stomping on a
Muslim teenager in Brooklyn, New York.
The beating took place outside a mosque
during a midnight prayer service.
Graphic pictures show how badly the teen
and his friend were beaten. The mosque
is urging police to investigate the
attack as a hate crime. One of the
victims says the attacker called him a
terrorist as he kicked him. In
Minneapolis, police are also
investigating the recent shooting of two
Muslim men as a possible hate crime.
This weekend, authorities in Florida
arrested 25-year-old Taylor Anthony
Mazanti in connection with the beating
of a man outside the same mosque Orlando
nightclub shooter Omar Mat. You know,
it's women's hijabs are being ripped
off. I mean, violence is escalating and
I'm sure he doesn't want to be
contributing to that. Absolutely. Yeah.
Let's go on to the FGM, the uh female
gen. He talks about, you know, the
female genital mutilation. Female
genital mutilation. You talked to Ayan
Hersy Ali about it and she gets labeled
an Islamophobe because she talks openly
about the problems with the ideology and
she's a woman who experienced female
genital mutilation. I mean she was that
was she had to flee her country and now
she's here writing books and giving
lectures and the the hardcore left the
far-left crazies are attacking her as
being Islamophobic and honor killings.
Honor killing honor killing is a real
thing. Yeah. I mean, this is not this is
not like an imaginary idea that's never
enforced. It's a real thing. Yeah. Yeah.
So, he makes this comment. He throws in
a bunch of stuff and he's like, you
know, oh, well, these Muslims, they do
female genital mutilation and there's
honor killings and women can't drive and
just throws out a bunch of stuff and and
none of this stuff is associated with
Islam. So, let's let's break it down
real quick. Um, let's talk about women
not being able to drive, okay? Women
aren't even allowed to drive, right? I
mean, they have to have a male companion
when they go out at night. I mean,
there's there's some unbelievably
regressive ideas that are just accepted
because we don't want to appear to be
homophobic or excuse me, Islamophobic.
This happens in one place, one country,
and that's Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia's
population in terms of Muslims, there's
1.7 billion Muslims in the world. What
is Saudi Arabia's population relative to
1.7 billion? It's like less than 2%.
It's like almost in negligible, right?
When did women uh get banned from
driving in Saudi Arabia like you know
when uh you know in like 60 years ago
100 years ago since the time of the
prophet Muhammad peace be upon him until
the 1900s before the Saudi regime came
in women were riding camels and horses
or whatever driving was at that time.
Right? So number one, you don't judge
the entire Muslim population and say
this is some kind of something to do
with Islam that women are not allowed to
drive. Uh number two, this is something
that they were they were driving quote
unquote whatever they were driving at
the time, camels, horses, you know, uh
they were driving for 1300 years. So
this is a Saudi thing. It is an a a
Saudi Arabian cultural thing. Number
three, if you ask the Muslim scholars in
Saudi Arabia,
do you, you know, is is this ban on
women driving, is it Islamic or is it
cultural? The scholars in Saudi Arabia
will tell you, the Muslim scholars will
tell you, no, it's nothing to do with
Islam. It's a cultural ban. This is part
of our culture. This is what we do. We
practice this. They're they're not even
claiming it's Islamic. Yet you keep
getting this accusation again and again
and it's it's almost we keep on hearing
it often time people keep quoting well
well women in Islam can't drive. No
women in Saudi Arabia aren't allowed to
drive. There are 49 Muslim majority
countries. That's one. The other 48
don't have any problem with women
driving. So that's that's a non-topic
that should not be affiliated with Islam
in any way, shape or form. So it's not
affiliated with Islam. I I try to
investigate what's the the the wisdom
behind it you know is it again not to do
with Islam but what did they say you
know is it some because what did they
even culturally because even when
someone uh looks into it and sees like
um again not to do with Islam but
culturally why are they is this is why
are they doing it you know why do they
prohibit I heard something along the
line because when you go through in some
places where you know if a woman to
protect her from when she goes out
somewhere in in a rural area in a
desert, you know, there was u highway
robbers or something. Some type of
protection. Yeah. Some kind of
protection. That's probably some type of
the rationale behind it. Yeah. But like
as an American, right? This this doesn't
concern me so much. I mean, this is
Saudi culture. This is an internal
issue. I let them deal with it. Yeah.
Why should I be sitting here and why
should Joe be sitting here? There's so
many issues in the world that we can
focus on. You know, you you know, you
know, in India, we had some guests from
India. They said, "Look, if you eat a
hamburger, C, you go to jail for seven
years. Why talking about that?" Exactly.
That should make headline news, you
know. If a hamburg if you eat meat
because they worship the cow. I couldn't
believe it. Did you hear about this? Did
you know that? I No, I didn't hear about
this. Yeah. Yeah. Uh I mean women are
being killed in India. Uh young girls
are being buried alive. I mean they're
being killed in China. The same thing is
happening. There's so many issues to to
to bring up. But then we go and we focus
on oh well look at Saudi Arabia is is
doing this. We need to liberate the
women over there. Uh and somehow it's
associated with Islam. Well, first of
all, it's not associated with not
associated with Islam. Not associated
with Islam. Let's go to the next one.
Uh, you want to add more something else
to this? No, that's good. Honor
killings. Honor killings. So, this idea
just keeps being thrown out there. Oh,
we honor killings. Honor killing. Honor
killing. Honor killings. It's very clear
in the Quran. You cannot take the life
that God has prohibited you to take.
Life is honored, right? Except with some
right, right? Unless you're impos, you
know, you're enforcing some type of law.
Someone stole or committed murder or did
some type of major crime or something
like that. No one is allowed to take the
life of another person. Now is honor
like in this honor killing idea is
basically you know your you've um your
daughter or your son goes and does
something that you didn't want them to
do and you end up killing them right or
you end up killing someone else and this
tribe gets in a fight with another
tribe. Where is this in Islam? I would
love to see one verse in the Quran
quoted regarding this practice. Not
there's not a single verse in the Quran.
I would love to see one hadith, one
statement of the prophet Muhammad peace
be upon him where this practice is
somehow justified or something. It's not
in fact Islam forbade all of these types
of killings, right? And actually put an
end to it. This this is a tribal
practice, right? This idea of
exaggerated honor and my honor has been
thing there's no basis whatsoever. So
whenever you ask someone about honor
killings, say, "Okay, show me some
evidence." And what they're going to do
is like, "Well, look, there was a one
Muslim uh guy who was in this one
country in this one village, and he
happened to do it, right?" So So there
there you go. One guy out of 1.7 billion
people or 100 or a thousand people out
of 1.7 billion people somehow, you know,
makes a justification that the religion
is teaching them to do that. We don't do
that in America. We don't go, "Oh, look.
There's a bunch of people that went and
shot their family. They shot their
parents or their parents went and shot
their kids." 25-year-old Ryan Lawrence
pleaded guilty to murder charges after
admitting to police he beat and burned
her body before dumping her remains in
the water. Lawrence told investigators
he was jealous of all the attention
Maddox received. McCarthy is charged
with murdering the three-year-old girl
the world came to know as Baby D. Her
mother is charged with being an
accessory. Prosecutors say Bella was
murdered because McCarthy believed she
was possessed by the devil. A true
story. This isn't something you made up.
Uh, you took a lie detector test. Yes, I
did. And you're the one who insisted on
taking it. Mhm. You passed it. Uh,
telling the truth as far as you sleeping
with your father. He says her
ex-boyfriend bit off her nose. The
accused ex-boyfriend, Chris Campbell,
flew into a violent rage when Michelle
told him their relationship was over
after eight months of dating. Even a
barcode, like an item in a grocery
store. FBI is telling us agents have
rescued more than 100 children from sex
trafficking rings in cities across the
country. Sexual slavery here at home.
How does it still happen? And here in
America, the business of sexual slavery
is booming. You don't say, "Oh, well,
that's because they're American or
that's because they're Christian or
that's because they're secular or
because they were liberal or because
they were conservative." We don't make
these kind of, you know, conclusions.
But when it comes to Islam, the rules
somehow seem to be changing. It's like,
oh, we're going to make these
conclusions by what some of these crazy
people or these bad apples have been
doing. We're going to go and blame the
entire religion. And that's
disingenuous. Very disingenuous. very
and they they bring up uh uh acid in the
face Muslim country but even in these
this country this these Islamic
countries
it's burning down so much
burn Christy Sims slipped into a coma
two months later she awakened and this
is what she looked like against these
radical fundamentalist people that are
throwing acid in the face the attack
happened in daylight in downtown
Vancouver, Washington. Bethy's mother
describes the horrific incident. A woman
approached her and said, "Hey, pretty
girl." And she turned around and uh she
asked if she wanted something to drink.
And my daughter said, "No." The attacker
splattered acid directly into Bethy's
face. This lady, before we start, Yeah.
You say you'd known her for 10 years.
Yeah. So, you'd grown up with her? Yeah.
We're friends since you were like about
11, 12. Yeah. 21-year-old Anglime from
Pinang, Cambodia, was not having it when
her fianceé, 23-year-old Lang Soiata,
broke up with her. She decided it would
be a good idea to try and pour acid on
him while riding on the back of his
motorcycle. These things are horrible,
right? That that if Islam was
implemented, the the the Sharia or the
law and you did something like this,
throw some acid or you do you bring harm
to a human human being like this, you
know, in this way, I mean, what would
happen? Yeah. I mean this is this is
really it's it's taking advantage of
people's ignorance of Islam. Most people
don't know a thing about Islam and
they're like okay you know let me inform
you what Islam is instead of telling
them oh Muslims believe in one God and
they play they pray five times a day and
they give charity and they fast in the
month of Ramadan. Let me just teach you
these things which are some cultural
practice that I found somewhere and let
me attribute them to Islam somehow so
that you're become afraid of Islam. And
that's where Islamophobia comes from.
this irrational false fear of Islam. It
says uh my good friend gives this
analogy is as if uh Martians came down
to the US and they wanted to know about
America and all we told them about was
electric chair the penal system right
the electric chair you know the firing
squad and all the other executions that
are out there and and we didn't tell
them all all the other beautiful things.
Well there's what what 6,236
ayah verses in the Quran. How much does
the penal code I mean to run any society
any there's got to be laws in place laws
and and what is it 1% or 2% very small
significance and then they see that they
highlight the penal code but forget
about all the other beautiful teachings
nothing else matters ironic yeah that's
it's cherrypicking cherryicking yeah
yeah that's the problem yeah so we got
FGM FGM honor killing nothing to do
there is no honor in taking innocent
life you cannot there's there's no honor
killings in this world there is no honor
killing Joe right there and his guests
and whoever brought this he was
affected. He's been he's a victim like
many have but do you want to stay a
victim? There's two ways to be fooled as
the saying goes to believe something
that's not true or to continue believing
something to refuse to believe something
that is true. So we're bringing Joe the
facts. All right. So you can turn away
or if he's genuine he can really I think
have you on we get someone in that area.
Why not? He's done over almost a
thousand close to a thousand podcasts.
Why not bring out a Muslim? He had all
these Islamophobes,
right? Talk talking misinformation, lies
about Islam. Why not have a Muslim? And
that's the goal. Hopefully, at the end
of the show, we can have you guys push
this to him and hopefully uh get to him
and and he can go ahead and make an
adjustment there and make things right
because that's offending over 1.7
million. It's not just about people say,
"Oh, it's free speech, just freedom of
speech." You know, what do you say to
that? I mean this idea it's hate speech
right and and we we you know we have
this conception when it comes to race we
don't start using the n-word we don't
start you know making fun of you know
Jews and their race and all of that
stuff there is a certain type of speech
where we should at least show some level
of respect right and so this idea of
hate speech which not only is you're
free to talk you know mention your ideas
but the way in which you mention them in
terms of how much implication will there
be how much violence will be caused, how
much problems will result by the way
you're speaking. That that should
something that should be taken into
consideration and it is taken into
consideration. You can't, you know, yell
fire in a crowded theater and not be
punished for it. So there there are
there are certain restrictions on this
idea of of free speech that every
society has to have in order to maintain
some level of control. Freedom of speech
is a good thing. You want to error your
views about Islam, okay, go ahead, you
know, air your views, but at least do it
with proper factchecking. Yeah, do it in
the right way and and and try to be
respectful about it. You're more likely
to convince other people than to just
throw out your your hatred and your
anger, you know, that's there. And the
best way to to fact check also because I
mentioned, you know, have so much
negative propaganda. So, you might fall
into one of these sites that are just
professional Islam bashers. They get
paid for it is again to have a Muslim
scholar, someone such as yourself. Uh if
you want someone else or whoever, we can
have our brother here or we can hook you
up. Joe and we can bring someone an
expert in this area to help clear up
many of these misconceptions. FGM FGM
female genital mutilation. So this idea
of female genital mutilation um most
people have probably heard about this.
It's it's cutting part of the women's
private parts out or or the entire thing
or closing it or something like that.
Basically this practice began either in
Sudan or Egypt 800 B.CE. 800 years
before the birth of Jesus, right? What
does that say off the bat? This is not
something that Islam introduced. It's
not something that you know all of a
sudden Islam which came 600 years about
600 years after Jesus or the Quran
somehow introduced into this region. Now
where is this taking place? Primarily it
takes place in Africa, Northeast Africa
and kind of spread across Africa. This
is an African issue. So Christians are
doing it there. Christians are doing it
there. Let me give you some statistics
here. You got uh Iritria,
Christian country, majority Christian.
You got Ethiopia, Christian country,
majority, you know, Christian
population. And the rates of FGM in
these countries are 90% and 75%. Mean
that Christians are doing it. You look
at the country of Niger. Niger is an
interesting case. 55% of Christians in
Niger are practicing FGM. 2% of Muslims
are practicing FGM. So what what's going
on here? the Christians are doing and
the Muslims are not doing it. So what
happened all of a sudden? Something
flipped around. You look in Iritria,
you're looking at level three FGM, which
is uh infibulation, which is the worst
type, right? It's tribal. One tribe will
do it and the other tribe will not do
it. You say, well, why is one tribe
doing it? Because it's a cultural thing,
right? All the evidence indicates that
this is a cultural thing, right? that
yeah some Muslims do some animists are
doing it people who are like you know
have other type of religions Christians
are doing it as well Coptic Christians
in Egypt are doing it as well right so
this is an African issue primarily few
other countries like Yemen and Indonesia
because uh you know it has to do with
demographics of how people moved into
different regions and traveled this not
an Islamic thing this is not an Islamic
problem it's not an Islamic issue did
the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him
did he have it done to his daughters
No. Were his own wives had this
procedure done? No. There's absolutely
no evidence whatsoever. So, what it
looks like is that basically, you know,
what probably happened is that this was
a cultural practice and the Muslims in
that area were probably trying to use
their religion to justify that practice.
Even though it's not a very strong
justification, the Christians did
exactly the same thing. They were had
this practice as well and they tried to
justify it. And what's really
interesting is when Christian
missionaries arrived in Africa and
people were ex, you know, entering into
Christianity, the Christian church, many
of these Christian missionaries, they
said, "You guys got to stop this
practice. You got to stop doing it." And
they wouldn't stop. So they said, "Okay,
we're going to kick you out. We're going
to excommunicate you from our churches.
You can't even be a Christian anymore if
you continue this practice." And they
continued it anyways. And they said,
"Okay, fine." So many people got kicked
out of the church which means that this
is a tribal thing. Are Muslims in
Pakistan doing this? No. Are Muslims in
Saudi Arabia? Are Muslims in Syria? Are
Muslims in Lebanon? Muslims in
Palestine? Muslims all across the world.
Like I said, there's there's 49 majority
Muslim countries. Onethird of the Muslim
population lives in other places as
minorities. Most the vast majority of
Muslims are not doing it. You don't have
any solid evidence linking this to, you
know, to being a practice in Islam. Yet,
it keeps on being tied somehow with the
religion of Islam. And I don't
understand why why this keeps happening.
Looks like people whatever they can get
their hands on either out of context to
twist it, to cherrypick, um any stone
they can get to throw. That's it. Uh
it's it just goes back to being
disingenuous and misinformed and a
victim many people to that uh false
propaganda that's out there. But but
Joe, our friend Joe talks about um he
talks about being professionally
objective supposed to be professionally
objective. Professionally wise being
wise, right? Uh one of those things is,
you know, to do what we're suggesting
that he does is why not have bring on
your friend. bring on someone like you
and let's go. Let's talk. Let's have
That would be a I think that would that
would really bring on a lot of lot of
viewership, huh? A lot of people be in
tune. Like now he's got his his uh buddy
who's making these claims, you know what
I mean? And now we got someone who's
going to fact check it right there. Say
yeah. You don't have to go back to the
internet on the spot searching around,
right? Yeah. All right. Uh le let's go
to um to another one about the Muslims
uh being the ones responsible for the
most suicide attacks. That how about the
one that is responsible for most of the
suicide bombings. So Islamophobic I am
Islamophobic. Yeah. Yeah. So this idea
of you know suicide bombings and suicide
killings and all that. It's important
again to understand this in context and
understand you know where did this
start? What is the history behind it and
why do people do it and where's the
connection between Islam? There's always
somehow this connection between Islam
and suicide bombing. That's what's in
the minds of many people because that's
what they consume in mainstream media
unfortunately. Let's let's take a look
at some facts. Okay. The first recorded
suicide attack that we know of as as
human beings as as researchers was
actually done by Christian crusaders
against Muslims. So there was a group of
crusaders who actually sunk their own
ship so they could that they could
actually result in 10 times the deaths
of Muslims uh on that you know the
expedition right so this is the first
incident right this is classical then
you fast forward to like the modern era
you find the first suicide bombing
modern suicide bombing that's taking
place in St. Petersburg right in 18 uh
let's see what's the year I got um 1881
where they killed the basically the guy
was not a Muslim this was not a Muslim
suicide bombing and suicide bombings
continued it continues and it continues
with kamicazis so in war you got the
Japanese and what they're doing is many
Japanese are volunteering themselves get
in airplanes and they go and they crash
you know bombs into certain you know
ships and singing those ships the
Germans are practicing the same type of
suicide bombing techniques during the
battle uh for Berlin against the
Russians. So they're going and they're
trying to destroy the bridges that are
coming. They're sacrificing their own
lives for a military purpose. And then
what really happened is there really
wasn't much suicide bombing during the
Cold War period. That's really
interesting. The reason why there, and
this is important for for everyone to
understand, specifically Joe, is that
the reason why there wasn't suicide
bombing during the Cold War period, is
because the superpowers of the US and
Russia, uh, Soviet Union, they're
equipping these little countries that
are fighting with each other, right?
They're equipping them with a lot of
weapons. When you have a lot of weapons
to fight other people back with, you
don't need suicide bombing. So then what
happened was is that we don't see much
during the Cold War. The next instance
of suicide bombing that we start seeing
is in Lebanon. So in Lebanon when Israel
goes and occupies Lebanon in the early
80s, you get a movement of people who
cannot fight back against superior
military technology that Israel has. So
they start getting this idea of let's go
start doing these suicide bombings.
What's really interesting and this is
how suicide bombing became prevalent in
modern society today. It started in
Lebanon particularly. And what's really
interesting is 77% of the people who
were engaging in suicide bombings in
Lebanon, they were communists or
socialists. They were not doing it for
Islamic reasons. They were not doing it
because, you know, they're inspired to
do for some Muslim cause or something
like that. And what's more interesting
is 8% of them were Christian as well,
right? So this is not a religious thing.
This is a secular thing. meaning in in
the sense that it's something that
people are doing because they have no
other military option to carry out
anything. And then when people saw that
Israel actually backed out of Lebanon,
they say, "Oh, well, it looks like
suicide bombing is potentially working
and we don't have any resources to fight
back. We should do something along these
lines." Right? So now somehow you know
what's going on in the world today is
whenever you find a group of people
doesn't matter if it's the Tamil Tigers
in Sri Lanka who are not religious, this
is not a a Muslim group. They have
nothing to do with Islam at all. They
were conducting suicide bombings against
the government so that they could get
their own Tamil region. Right? Why are
they doing this? This is a way for
people who don't have many resources to
fight back for whatever cause they're
fighting for. So when you're deciding
who's a terrorist and what's a terrorist
and who's fighting and who's suicide
bombing, the first thing you got to ask
yourself is, is this cause justified?
What they're fighting for? Are they
freedom fighters or are they terrorists?
The second the second thing is do they
have the ability to fight or they don't
have the ability to fight back. If they
don't have any weapons and they're being
oppressed or they have no resources
whatsoever, then yeah, they might be
willing to utilize their bodies. What
does all of this have to do with Islam?
Absolutely nothing. There is absolutely
nothing connected with the religion of
Islam that's saying you should go and
use yourself as a vict you know use your
body as a a way of going and you know
targeting a specific bomb at an
individual or going and you know killing
innocent civilians or all the other
things that are somehow connected or
tied to suicide bombing. So this idea of
well Islam is responsible for suicide
bombing is just another another one of
those you know just fake uh misleading
propaganda statements that just keeps
being thrown out there and it kind of
takes away the context of what is the
political circumstance going on in that
specific area in that country where we
need to analyze is this struggle just or
unjust. Killing of innocent civilians is
never just it's never allowed in Islam.
But that's not even when people say
suicide bomb. They're not even talking
about that. They have a problem with
this idea of suicide and bombing and
killing or whatever it is. This is a
military thing. It's a political thing.
In order for this to take place, there
needs to be a political context. That's
what needs to be kept in mind. And who I
see who says statue academics, they
don't bring them on mainstream media
because it doesn't doesn't support the
narrative. No. And it would educate the
public to you know the the awareness of
really what's going on in these in in
these areas of the world that Robert P
you know the terrorist expert he anal
over a thousand different terrorist
attacks to date and he talks about a
this has little to nothing to do with
Islam or uh religion a lot of times he
said that many of these are secularists
he says and people are about to do a
suicide attack and now they're going to
face death and all of a sudden they
become religious. Right. Right. because
that's it. Now people find God at the
end and now they they cling on to it.
But in reality it's because they want
the occupying force out of there and
like you're saying they have no other
means. And again, anything to do with
Islam now. Yeah. No, it's it's all
political. It's political. That's
exactly what the terrorist expert Dr.
Robert Pademic from University of
Chicago says. Every terrorist expert
says that you know what there's a
political, you know, objective that's
there. You need to justify that
objective. You're going to you're going
to justify it either with nationalism,
Nazi party, neo-Nazi, whatever it is.
You're going to justify it with some
religion that you practice. You're going
to justify it with your superiority of
your race. You need to justify the
political objective. Some people will
use religion to justify it. Some people
will use nationalism. Some people will
use race. They'll use other ma, you
know, factors. If there's no political
objective, then there's not going to be
any terrorism. In my opinion, it's
injustice, humiliation, oppression. that
is are the most common causes of
terrorism. Some people claim that
religion motivates terrorists. However,
the academic research of Dr. Robert Pap
has proved the claim to be false.
Uh what I did is I collected the first
complete database of every suicide
terrorist attack around the world since
1980. Uh the first version of this
database uh was uh uh published uh a few
years ago and it went from 1980 to 2003.
Think of that as like the pre Iraq
database. And then the second version
from 2004
uh on, think of that as the data that's
happened since Iraq. Um and what the
data shows quite clearly is that uh the
principal cause of suicide terrorism is
foreign occupation. In that period from
1980 to 2003 there were 315
completed suicide terrorist attacks by
462
suicide terrorists who actually killed
themselves. I don't mean attempts. These
are people who actually killed
themselves. The world leader during that
24-year period was not an Islamic group
at all. There are the Tamil Tigers in
Sri Lanka. The Tamil Tigers are a
Marxist group. a secular group, a Hindu
group. In fact, over half of those 462
suicide attackers were purely secular
because you see many uh Muslim suicide
terrorist groups are also pure purely
secular such as the PKK in Turkey. The
PKK in Turkey, which did uh numerous
suicide attacks in the 1990s, uh is
again a Marxist read anti-religious
suicide terrorist group. Because you
see, if Islam as sort of a radical
religion or if it were just radical
Muslims uh doing this, then what you
would expect is sort of this thin veneer
of suicide attack kind of scattered all
around the world. Uh you would expect
that, oh, there's 1.4 4 billion Muslims.
You know, there's this teeny tiny fringe
of Muslims kind of everywhere who'd be
willing to do suicide attack. Uh but
that's not the way the data looks. It's
really concentrated and it's really
concentrated in occupations. Yeah. So, I
wonder like people like Joe or whoever,
you know, to get criminals out or get
get people who've taken over his
backyard. Maybe he's got a few acres,
right? And they're bringing harm upon
his family, killing some he's got a big
family. You know what? What would again
Islam doesn't justify killing innocent
men, women and children that's clear but
what would many of these people end up
doing to you can imagine we have
guidelines there's guidelines in Islam
right that keeps us in check and that's
yeah imagine if people don't have any
guidelines which they don't imagine what
they what the what the people be doing
absolute chaos
we we we are uh we got a few more we're
going to take a break um uh and we'll be
back uh to keep addressing some of these
Um some of the mis much of the
misinformation is too much to cover but
we're just giving a few of them here on
the show and hopefully our good friend
we can have him on the program. He can
come even on the dean show or we can
reach out and have our friend Shay
Mustapa from the College of California
California Islamic University. Yeah,
we'll be right back. Don't go anywhere.
We got uh some some more exciting things
to cover. Be right back. Peace. Dean.
Welcome back to the Dean Show and this
is our sincere
genuine attempt to reach out to people
such as Joe Rogan has a massive
following, one of the probably number
one podcasts out there in the world and
people who have been on his program,
fans of his kind of get them acquainted
with the Muslims and some of the false
propaganda and and and the genuine
people will be like people don't like
being lied to. Absolutely. Yeah. So,
when you're when you're lied to, you're
like, "What else have I been lied to?"
Right? And there's a lot of things out
there, misinformation, and it's just sad
to say, I mean, um Joe, like many have
fallen victim to the Islamophobia
machine. Imagine if if a quarter million
dollars plus is being spent on bashing
Islam, creating mistruths and
misinformation, you're going to get
affected by it. That's That's right.
Yeah. Le let's continue going on to to
another one. He talks about the
stoning of
homosexuals. How many of you believe
that the word of God is the best way to
deal with homosexuals and that what
whatever the Quran says whether they it
says they should be stoned to death at
Yeah. He mentioned uh the Quran says to
stone homosexuals. I mean, I would just
say to Joe, I would I would love to see
that verse cuz uh I've studied the Quran
for over 15 years. 6,236
verses. Never came across that one. So,
I don't know which Quran he's looking
at. I'm not sure which one he's going
to, but I would love to see where that
where it says that cuz I I missed it and
I think every other Muslim in the entire
world missed it, you know. Yeah. So,
there's there's no stoning of the of uh
in the Quran of homosexuality. No, the
only time it talks about homosexuality
in the Quran is in the story of prophet
Lot. Uh it doesn't talk about any other
rules with regards to homosexuals in the
Quran. So I'm not sure where exactly
he's getting that. Mhm. Uh let's go into
women being silent, not being allowed to
talk. And like he he goes into this
thing about how many of you think that
women should be silent and that they
should, you know, should listen to their
man because this is what God has said.
And they all raise their hand. And he's
like, see this is this is not radical
Islam. this is just Islam. So all these
people that say, "Oh, they're so
radical. They're radical Islam." And
like he doesn't even realize that he's
demonstrating radical Islam. So he Yeah,
he said that again. He said the Quran
says that women are not allowed to talk
in front of men. They have to be silent.
Um so again, I I don't know where he got
this from the Quran. Um there's
something similar to that in the Bible.
Okay, let's see what happens when we
read some verses from the Bible to
people here at West. Islam has been
under a constant scrutiny and Muslims
are being accused of following a
religion that has no place in our
western culture. We would like to read a
few random passages from the Quran and
see if you agree. If you have hear my
laws
and reject my commands, you will have to
eat the flesh of your own daughters and
your own sons. Do not allow for a woman
to teach. If two men sleep together, you
will have to kill them. See, this is
actually not the Holy Quran. This is
actually the Holy Bible. If she does,
you have to cut off her hand and do not
forgive her. That's the Holy Bible,
right? Why would that be in the Holy
Bible? Does this surprise you? Yes,
100%. Because you would never think
terrible stuff like that would be in the
Holy Bible. That That's ridiculous.
There's There's no way that's the Bible.
I I I've read the Bible. There's That's
definitely not in there. No. If you were
a Muslim reading the Holy Bible, do you
think Christians would be radical?
Yes, 100%. Yeah. but definitely not in
the Quran. Um, so maybe he mis mistake
mistook the two books. I'm not sure
exactly what happened there. But this
idea of, you know, women being silent or
them not being allowed to talk, this is
just just throwing it seems like he's
throwing out a bunch of random stuff. I
mean, there's there's a surah, a chapter
in the Quran is called Mujad. It's about
a woman who came and complained to the
prophet Muhammad peace be upon him about
her husband. And God, Allah puts this in
the Quran, the story like praising the
woman that she had the courage to go and
complain and that her husband was wrong.
What he was doing was wrong and she was
right. So like if it's if it's telling
them to be silent, why is why is the
Quran showing this story and saying,
"Hey, here you go. You can check it out.
It's called the one who complained or
the woman who complained." Um it's it's
near the end of the Quran. There's an
entire chapter on that. And there's
there's nothing like this. I'm not I
don't know where this stuff is coming
from or what sources they're coming
from. I think the factchecking really
needs uh some work there. And maybe
maybe this in the show there's there
another guy in the back like
double-checking the facts. But you know
what? Maybe that guy should you know he
needs to he needs to hook up with again
with a qualified Islamic scholar source.
Exactly. And they get you on the phone
say hey look right now we're doing this.
What do you think? Exact. And I'm ready
for that. That's the problem with Google
you know. I mean, the thing is Google's
great service, but you just throw in
some things. There's something called
SEO. SEO. I'm a computer science major
as well. So, it's called search engine
optimization. So, if you use the right
tags and use the right thing and use
enough, you pay the right people, they
can get your results up in the search
engine. So, you're trying to search
something, all the false articles with
the propaganda and the misleading
statements and all of that, they will be
at the top. And that's what you said.
this Islamophobia industries over $200
million is being invested in all of this
stuff. A lot of it is search engine
optimization. So when you're trying to
do your own research, you're going to
get all these results coming in the
beginning and you got to like get
through it. You need to go to Google
Scholar instead of just Google, right?
There's a there's an academic research.
You need to go and check with Muslim
scholars. You need to look at their
scholarly research papers to actually
find this stuff and what's really going
on. You kind of have to, you know, sift
through it a little bit if you've been
kind of programmed that way. along with
the uh quote I mentioned from Time
magazine that's also the 60,000 plus
books over a span of hundred years
that's probably not those same arguments
that the false arguments the the
misconcept they're all put on the
internet also I'm sure y yeah uh but
don't we have is that a a situation
where you also had now from one of one
of um the predecessors of the prophet
Muhammad peace and blessing be upon him
Omar
where a woman he was he was um he was
stating something and a woman got up. He
was giving a sermon. Yeah. Yep. She got
up. They didn't like she got up in the
middle. Woman in the middle of the
sermon, right? Which you're not even
supposed to. No one's supposed to talk
in the middle of the sermon, but she was
correcting him on something. I She got
up and she's like, "I got to correct
you." She fact checked him. She fact
checked him. Yeah. And he's the leader
of we're talking the Muslim world at the
time, which is stretching, you know,
throughout the Persian Empire, Roman
Empire. I mean, this was a major thing.
It's a political leader. you try this on
some other people and the you know you
see what happens to you let alone being
a woman you know so we have that history
but she was fact-checking based on
evidence on not just you know and he
admitted it and that's the beautiful
thing you know that's the beautiful
thing about Omar he admitted it he
didn't say I'm not going to take this
advice from a woman or she interrupt me
during interrupted me during my sermon
he realized that what she was saying was
correct and he said my you know she she
quoted a verse of the Quran that he
didn't really reflect upon at the time
and and She's like, you know, he's like,
you know, you're absolutely right. I I I
forgot, you know, the woman is right and
I'm wrong. And he he declared it
publicly. And that's the beauty of, you
know, that that that humility. When you
realize you're wrong about something,
you realize you said something, you
know, incorrect, you're willing to make
that adjustment and say, you know, it
doesn't matter who's correcting me. If I
value the truth, I'm going to, you know,
be willing to accept that I made a
mistake. And that's interesting because
you do have and again uh our our our
friends out there from the Christians
and Jews and I I never want to intention
is never to to uh put down anyone's
religion or anything but you do have uh
an aspect of of a community there that
are deliberately trying to confuse
people spread this false information and
some of his guests that have been on
there. So why and I think a part of it
was inbreeding.
Uh this is your own theory. No, no, no.
Look it up. Muslims and inbreeding major
major problem. I've never heard this
before. Especially with immigrants in
Britain like the Pakistanis in London.
They're they're part of a media program
and they constantly have um attacks on
Islam.
Greetings infidel. I work with K. I want
Sharia law in this country. Women are
secondass citizens. I hate white males.
Am I liberals or am I Islam? And his
friend who's actually a Catholic
Christian. It's all the same now and
others um he was on his show. This would
apply. these verses would apply if
you're because this is part of the New
Testament about being quiet, not
speaking in public, not teaching in
public, covering your hair, all of these
things. So, it's like you're attacking
Muslims, but the these these people,
it's in your own book. These would be
Christians who are who are totally
Islamophobic. This not everyone, you
have so many Christians who are out
there who are, you know, guarding
Muslims from praying, you know, we have
great alliances, you know, with some
great people out there. But these people
I think who have more in common with
such radical fringe elements is like
it's like they're the new version the
upgrade of the KKK. Exactly right. The
they have more in common with they
actually agree more with ISIS. That's
right. You know what I mean? That's
right. They're very similar. So now they
don't see what their own book is saying.
Yeah. And we can play this all day now
and night. We can start throwing these
verses. Explain this one. Explain that
one. And and that's the hypocrisy of it.
you know, even if we had those verses,
which we don't, but if we had those
verses, then you have the same verses.
So, if you say, well, you know, well,
ours aren't taken literally cuz that's
normally the answer. We don't take that
literally. So, why you have to take ours
literally then, right? But, but it's not
the case. But that that's where the
hypocrisy comes in. And that's a
problem. People should understand where
they themselves are coming from before
and you clean yourself up before you
start criticizing, you know, other
people. Yeah. Let's move along. So, we
covered that one. This guy, I just don't
know. It's just it's just mindblowing.
His guest, Joe's guest, who he has on
the Joe Rogan podcast, I don't who is
this guy? He he starts talking about,
you know, about uh Muslims treatment
towards Jews, right? And there I've I've
we've had programs on this in the past.
Well, let me just cover this clip first.
Uh what is the position on uh Islam
regarding Jews? Okay. Well, I mean we
escaped Lebanon because we were going to
be executed. Okay. By it wasn't by the
Amish. Okay. Right. Uh so I said, you
know what? Rather than kind of go into a
whole treaties, here's what I'm going to
do. I'm going to share with you a
montage of imams from around the world.
So this is not culture specific. There's
an Indonesian imam, a Malaysian,
Kuwaiti, Yemeni. So these are at their
sermons. This is at the mosque where
they are preaching what should be done
to the Jews. And one of the particular
um imams was showing images of the Nazis
bulldozing uh skeletons into the ditches
and he was lamenting to God, why God
would didn't you give us the pleasure of
exterminating those Jewish rats? Why do
you hate us so much? Those Jewish rats,
some version of that, right? So he
picked some random You see what he's
saying? that some imam somebody what
what do you what do you say to that?
Yeah. I mean, this is what you do is you
cherrypick some random quote unquote
imam making some statement somewhere and
say see look look there's a a Muslim
somewhere who has some type of following
10 people 100 people we don't even know
and look he said something wrong um yeah
there's like people like that around the
entire world who say really ridiculous
things the former chief shapardic rabbi
of Israel has just proclaimed that the
only reason that you as a non-Jew exist
exists on earth is to serve Jews.
Another Jewish religious leader says
it's moral for a Jew to murder you and
steal your heart or liver if a Jew needs
one. Now, maybe you think I'm making all
this up, but I tell you, Jewish
extremist evil is too crazy for anybody
to make it up. Now, you probably haven't
heard the rabbis words yet. He's not on
Fox News. CNN doesn't cover it, but it
has been covered extensively in Israel,
just not America. Of course, Rabbi Ysef
is right. Most Gentiles do serve the
Jews. We fight their wars in Iraq and
Afghanistan, spill the blood of tens of
thousands of our young men and suffer
terrible injuries and death to those
nations. We spend the treasure of
trillions of dollars in these wars for
Israel. I believe that there is an honor
in you that will not allow you to be a
slave to anyone, much less to such an
evil power as Zionism. Even some
courageous Jews are joining the fight
against Jewish extremism. And I salute
them, right? In all religions and in
non-religions as well. You know, so this
is the problem is that, you know, you go
and cherrypick something and you say,
"Oh, well that's, you know, that somehow
represents what all 1.7 billion Muslims
are saying." That's that's again very
disingenuous. That's the problem is that
you're not being honest with people and
you're misleading them to think that all
Muslims believe this thing because one
person said it. Okay? What is their
basis for saying it? Is there any basis
in the religion? Our religion is based
upon the Quran and the teachings of the
prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. Did
he exhibit those things or did it
contradict what he's teaching? None of
that stuff is there, you know. So, when
it came to the idea of uh you know um
this how Muslims treat Jews or how Islam
is supposed to be dealing with with
Jewish people and all of that, this idea
is is is ridiculous. you know that that
um Muslims have been living with Jews in
many parts of the world specifically in
Spain uh you know in the past when you
know Muslims are actually in control of
Spain for like 800 years Muslims and
Jews were living there peacefully there
was no major issues Muslims and Jews
were living peacefully in the Ottoman
Empire um in fact when the Jews were
kicked out of Europe most of them were
going to the Ottoman Empire and they
said that you know they were uh they
were flourishing at that time in Spain
it was their golden age so relations
between Muslims and Jews outside of you
know some hostile political context has
always been generally fine and it's
still the case generally outside of any
political context where's this idea of
hatred from Jews and because of some
imam coded something right we can go and
we can start showing clips of Christian
preachers Habad calls non-Jewish women
shikas shika literally means [\h__\h] and
it calls gentile girls shikelba or
little [\h__\h] Now, can you imagine the
outrage of Gentiles or any Christians
call Jewish girls little Jewish [\h__\h]
But they do this all the time in the
media, in fact. Oh, sure. They're Jewish
and you're a shix. What means non-Jewish
woman? From Catholics, from Protestants.
We could show Jewish uh rabbis saying
some something.
Every Gentile member of Congress voted
to honor this freak who says that every
Gentile and every Gentile congressman is
totally evil and every one of their
wives and mother's daughters is a [\h__\h]
Now that's true slavery. When you vote
to honor somebody who says your mother
is a [\h__\h] and who tells you that your
sole purpose on earth is to serve we
superior Jews. We can go and show
atheists. We can go and show agnostics.
We can go and show UFC fighters, right?
Which Joe was, you know, MMA. We can
show a bunch of MMA people making
ridiculous statements. Are you going to
go and say, "Look, this represents all
MMA fighters. Hey, hey, USA, wake up
USA. Go back for you. Go for Jesus. No
forget Jesus people."
No, Joe wouldn't think that. No one else
would think that. So, you don't do that.
You don't go pick a few bad people, make
their statements, and then say, "Well,
see, this represents everyone, you
know." So, now your audience is is is
getting a picture portrayed to them like
Muslims hate Jews. Islam teaches hatred
of, you know, Jews. And now, uh, that
incites like these guy and and now
you're hearing acid in the face. You're
hearing female general female genital
mutilation, honor kill. Man, I had a
guest the other day. He said, "I watched
Fox News. I got my PhD thesis in in um
in in in in what was it uh in one area.
I forgot what it was." And he said, "You
know, it was making my blood pressure go
up listening to and I know the facts."
So imagine someone is listening to all
this. People are generally good people
and they're you're dehuman dehumanizing
them and you don't have the facts. But
when you fact check, you know, if you
look at, it's one thing us saying this,
but when you have in the in the Jew
Jewish chronicles, when you have
professor, academics, historians like uh
this professor, Jewish professor, David
Warrenstein, he wrote the JC essay, and
he says, "Islam saved jewelry, the Jew,
the Jewish people." There's a great
rabbi out there, um, Rabbi Singer, and
he talks about the Jews had it better
than in any other place, no better place
than they were when in the Muslim lands.
And I've studied all my life the
rabbitical school from A to Z. I come
from the most traditional what's called
black hat
world. Okay? My father is a great
teacher, Rashiva. I don't I come from
the traditional world. We all have our
nut jobs. Are there crazy We have crazy
Jews, wackos, and we have crazy
Christians and we have crazy Muslims. We
all have our nut jobs. Welcome to the
Welcome to the show. And they're good
people. They're so sweet. I mean, I'm
I'm talking to people I interact with.
I'm not saying the head of ISIS is
sweet. They're maniacs. ISIS went and
came here to Jakarta to kill Muslims. I
mean, they're they're wicked what
they're doing. And they abuse these
texts in the Quran, in the Hadith in
order to kill people and rape women and
so on. And all Muslims, I mean, all
majority Muslims condemn this. But so
I'm I'm talking about people who are
serious, who really care about God, who
care about the truth, who recognize the
problem. I'm talking to you. Everyone
else, you don't have to listen to the
show. Shut her off and go somewhere
else. I don't mean that disrespectfully,
but if you can't separate the two, then
you're going to be in La La Land. But if
I read other news, I'll think that all
Muslims are a bunch of baby killers. So,
and drive planes into buildings. Forget
that garbage. Okay, that's nonsense.
Let's talk facts now. And this is why
Jews got along with Muslims. Beautiful.
Not with Christians. My family was wiped
out by the by the hol in the Holocaust.
Wiped out almost. I mean, just by luck.
My great-grandfather came to America,
went back and then and my grandfather
grandmother came when they were able to
come, but there everybody was wiped out
in my I think 42 members of my family
were wiped out by the Nazis. May they
perish in hell. But those were all
Christians. They were they weren't. And
don't tell me the Nazis weren't
Christians. Believe me, they had a belt
buckle on the Waffan SSG. And if you
whatever, I don't want to get into that
point, but it it did not happen in
Islamic countries. Okay? Okay, the
Holocaust did not happen in Islamic
countries. It happened in Europe. Europe
either direct the Europeans directly or
passively murdered the Jews. Wiped out
all of European jewelry. Onethird of the
Jews were d were wiped out between 1942
and 1945. But Jews were safe in the now
with the whole thing in the Middle East.
Yes, there's problems now. But what do
you want to do? You want to go throw
gasoline on a fire? And when when the
Quran is critical of Jews, they're
critical of Jews. Believe me, if you
read Ezekiel and the criticism of
Ezekiel to Jews who weren't keeping
Tyra, the criticism found in the Quran
Abdul doesn't touch Ezekiel 23 or 16. It
doesn't come close. It's much the Jewish
Bible is much more critical of the Jews.
Any Muslim who really sincerely studies
Judaism really studies it. Not
propaganda on some dumb website. You
know what I'm talking about. Because on
the same dumb websites you have the
crazy website say that Muslims are a
bunch of suicide bombers that kill
people and do these filthy dogs say
this. So I'm not talking about the
crazies but the serious serious people.
One of the things that both Jews who
study Islam or Muslims who study Judaism
go whoa we're
the I mean it's shocking how similar are
we are not exactly the same. Let's get
that clear. In the old days before you
know the state of Israel and so on there
were crazies who persecuted Jews. But
frankly, there is a reason why Jews in
the Islamic world, whether it was in
Yemen or in Morocco, did fabulous. We
did better than the Muslims did. The
Muslims were killing each other and the
Jews were have were doing great. Now,
were there exceptions? Yes. How did we
get along so well? My friends, there is
a reason why Jews and Muslims got along
better in Yemen, got along better in
Morocco, got along better in Egypt, got
along better in Iraq than Muslims and
Muslims did when they were unfortunately
killing each other over what over
primarily politics. You know, Albania,
how many did uh after the Holocaust, you
know, how many Jews were taken in by the
Ottomans, by the by the by the
Albanians, you know, by the Muslims. You
also have my good friend Miko Pillid
who's a strong advocate you know for the
because all this stems really uh for the
the the theft of the the uh the
Palestinians land right this comes from
that but before that confict but you
have Jews my friends my Jewish friends
Rabbi Weiss you know who's been on the
Oh,
heat.
my Israeli friend Miko Pilllet, he's
been on the show. when you take away
people's land and you destroy their
homes, when you incarcerate their
fathers and quite often their mothers,
uh when you shoot their brothers and
sisters in the in their school, in the
schoolyards,
this is what we get. This is the price
that you pay as as a as a society that
maintains such a brutal oppression and
occupation against another people.
There's a price to be paid and this is
the price that we pay. And therefore
they both felt um that uh they both held
the Israeli government responsible
because the Israeli government is
responsible for the reality that exists
there. Now someone just said that's an
anti-semitic statement you just made.
Somebody's pointing the finger and say
this guy's anti-semitic. What do you
have to say about that? Well I'm Jewish
so being anti-Semitic is nonsense.
Number one. Number two being
anti-Semitic means being racist against
Jews. I'm not racist against Jews. Um
but I am critical of the state of
Israel. I'm critical of Zionism, which
has really nothing to do with Jews. Um
although they claim to. So there's
nothing anti-semitic about criticizing
Israel. In fact, most Jews don't even
live there. Uh most Jews never accepted
Zionism. So I don't think there's that
has anything to do with it. And it's a
claim that's being thrown out when
there's nothing else to say. When the
other side, the pro-Israeli side, the
side that supports the violence in
Palestine, uh has nothing to say, they
say anti-Semitic. Well, so they say
anti-semitic. What if uh someone says,
"Look, he's just a self-hating Jew."
Have you heard this statement? Yeah.
Well, I certainly don't hate myself. So,
that's nonsense. And I don't hate
anybody else. I think it's again, it's
one of those things they throw at you
when they when they've got no argument.
And these people, they love Muslims.
They get along with they they tell the
facts, a totally different story, an
academic story. But what is this story?
Yeah. This story that these guys, he's
picked some some some rotten plum out
here. Exactly. Yeah. Unfortunately, what
is that? Is that genuish or is it genu?
What what are you going to say?
Absolutely. That's that's that's uh
that's why it's important to have a
variety of guests and have a variety of
opinions. That's the only way to arrive
at the truth. Yeah. Uh let's let's move
on. So he talks about women now women
and women being forced to cover. That's
true. But if it's some imam who thinks
that you know women should cover
themselves up like they look like job of
the hut or what is it was it Boba Fett
whichever one whatever it is. Please
direct your hate mail to Joe Rogan. Come
it bring it on. And he has a problem
with that. Yeah. You know the language
that he uses. The language. That's the
thing. The language. That's that's the
thing. I mean he says I mean he's making
fun of Muslim women who are choosing to
cover their hair because one it's a
religious requirement and two they're
doing it out of modesty. They're they're
not the first people in the past or even
today who cover out of modesty. Women
women wear hijab when they go outside of
the house. I mean I mean who are not
even Muslim. Can you equate that? Yeah.
Absolutely. Yeah. I mean people aren't
walking around naked. Yeah. Exa Exactly.
They're covering themselves. There's a
type of modesty that's there, right? But
he's going and saying, you know, they're
dressed like Jabba the Hut. You know, I
didn't really get that example. Then he
corrected and said, oh, then they're
dressed like Boba Fett. Not really. Not
really. It's not it's not it's not cool,
you know. So, and especially not in the
current climate. Yeah. Where, you know,
you got France just passed a law that
forbade Muslim women from wearing their
quote unquote burkini, which is like,
you know, their hijab uh that they're
going to go and swim in the beach with.
It's forbidden. They're not allowed to
even practice that. You want to talk
about freedom of religion or freedom,
you know, to criticize or all that
freedom that we we keep hearing about,
they can't even go to the beach. They're
not you're not allowed to dress how you
want to dress, right? and then to make
fun of them and use some Star Wars
figures and all of that stuff. It's it's
not cool at all. Bullying is an epidemic
now. Yeah, it's it's a major epidemic
and specifically Muslim women who are
being bullied. I mean, there are
bullying is not cool, man. It's happened
to many of my friends. I know personally
my my wife's friends, they go out in the
supermarket, people not only give them
stairs, they actually like shout insults
at them. You know, why are you wearing
that rag over your head? Why are you
doing this? They they don't even feel
comfortable going to the grocery store.
And this is not some exaggerated
feeling. This is factbased, right?
Muslim women have had their hijab ripped
off from them. And this is not an
isolated incident. This is happening on
a major, you know, significant level. So
just throw it off and say, you know
what? Well, we have the freedom to
criticize your religion, but you don't
have the freedom to dress how you want
to dress. You have to adopt our
understanding, our principles of what
modesty or of what what freedom of dress
should be like. Right. That's exactly
the type of narrow-mindedness that he's
criticizing in all these other aspects.
You got to be consistent. Yeah, you have
to be consistent in what you're saying.
There was a Jewish another Jewish uh
academic and this is interesting. This
is what he said. Dr. Norman Ficklestein,
he said when Europeans came to North
America, the thing they said about the
Native Americans was that they were so
barbaric because they walked around
naked. The European women at that time
they were wearing three layers of
clothes. Then they came to North America
and decided that the Native Americans
were backward because they w all walked
around naked. And he continues and he
says, "And now we walk around naked and
we say that the Muslims are backward
because they wear so so much so much
clothes." Can you imagine anything more
barbaric banning women from wearing
headscarves? So this is a Jewish man.
Yeah. Right. Absolutely. Who's got you
know who who has friends with Muslims.
We're friends with him. I mean, these
are people working together to some
obvious facts. What do you think about
that? So, he's talking about when they
came over, they were wearing pretty much
hijab. Y if you look at the pictures.
Exactly. Exactly. And they were walking
around naked, now they're trying to
Exactly. That's really the problem. The
the crux of this problem is this holier
than thou attitude. Yeah. Right. It's
like, you know, looking at them, these
are less, you know, less people than us.
They're lesser than us. They're
univilized. They're are backwards. in
one of his, you know, things he said,
uh, him or one of his guests said Islam
is 500 years behind. What is that
supposed to mean? Like this idea of,
well, we've changed our cultural norms.
We started dressing a different way.
We've even changed our morals. Um, and
now you you guys are behind now. You
know, you should be following exactly
what we what we're doing. We set the
trends and if you don't follow the
trend, then you're backwards. You're
behind. You need to catch up. this this
idea this is like that orientalism idea
that you know Edward Sed was mentioning
in his book um kind of deconstructing
this idea of people who are in a
position to go and like classify others
into a certain frame thinking that you
need to be like us we you're univilized
we're civilized we need to come and
civilize you there needs to be a little
bit more nuance than that when we're
trying to understand people and Joe's a
bright guy I mean he mentions when he
starts to think objectively like he says
professionally wisely and he sees like
and he mentions this about why why would
people be doing some of the things right
um and he talks about their natural
resources being stolen he talks about
the dehumanization
and and and and yeah that's what really
gave me hope you know when I saw when I
saw him talking about that in this clip
to the suppression of the people that
live in these places where their natural
resources is being stolen in by the war
machine which is undeniable undeniable
what's going on in Iraq Iraq or in
Afghanistan, how much of it, how much of
the hustle has to do with the natural
resources, whether they be the poppy
fields, whether they be the minerals in
Afghanistan, whether it's the oil in
Iraq, undeniable that these people are
being sure for for sure they're subject
to the war machine that's coming in to
steal the resources. And that that
that's that's something that people are
aware of. And you see these images of
these people in these Islamic countries
that are dying, that are getting bombed
on and and also the dehumanism that
they're subjected to by a lot of people
that are trying to justify this these
wars. That that is the only thing that
makes sense to me. He's like, "Yeah,
okay. I I I understand. Muslims uh
around the world, their resources are
being taken from them. They're being
oppressed. They're being dehumanized."
He says, "We're not going to deny what's
happening in Iraq, what's happening in
Afghanistan. It's horrible what's
happening." And then he kind of hints at
the answer that he's almost there. He
almost figures out why Islamophobia is a
problem, why we shouldn't be, you know,
doing all this disrespect and all of
that. But then, right when he's there
and he's saying, you know, that could
play a role, then his guest, you know,
somehow diverts him and takes him off on
some other tangent and then that thought
is just gone. So, I think I think Joe is
is searching and I think he's trying to
find out, but he's just it's like
someone who has a problem, an addiction
or whatever they're trying to get rid
of, but all the friends around them,
they keep reinforcing that behavior. And
even though they're trying to get out,
until they kind of clear their way from
those friends and try and associate with
other people and spend a little bit time
with others, they're not going to be
able to get out because they're always
being sucked back into that bad habit
that they have. when you blow a people
back into, you know, time, I mean, you
put you you like he said, Joe says, you
know, you steal their resources, you do
all sorts of injustices towards them,
and now you're criticized these
countries, Afghanistan, uh you have um
Iraq that just been blown to
smitherreens. How do you And then
puppets been put, you know, they've been
colonized, you know, puppets been put as
as to to run those countries. What I
mean how how far far forward do you
expect them to be when you you've like
blown everything up? It's true. What do
you want? That's true. You know. Yep.
Yeah. That is it's uh and then and then
at the end to try to blame Islam when
you burned all I mean if you blown up
their libraries. Yeah. You took the
libraries, stole the artifacts, you
know, crazy stuff going on. Yeah.
Keeping people sane. There is Islam.
They're keeping people that's what led
to the destabilization of the entire
region. I mean it's it's much worse than
it was before you know so complaining
with you know the false pretext of
supposed biological weapons and all that
and that all turned out to be false. I
mean that's the importance of factecking
again right if if someone would have if
if some people would have done their
proper factchecking all these people
would not have been killed in Iraq they
should not have been killed in the first
place because the whole pretext of
invading Iraq was about these chemical
biological weapons that never existed
and in fact our data was not even
accurate on that. It was just a it was a
lie. It was it was a lie. So so it was
built it was the premise was built on a
what we know today was a lie. And I'm
sure I'm sure Joe and most people would
accept it. This is very clearly now come
out to the public that this was a lie
and this pretext was completely made up.
It's completely fake based on flimsy
information. And then you have
conservative numbers. What do they put
it at? You have uh physicians for what
they physicians for social
responsibility something like that where
they talk about almost in the span of 10
years like almost two million innocent
lives were lost on a war that was bu
based on a lie. It's done online. Yeah.
There was a Have you seen a It's a great
documentary by really respected
investigated journalists. It's called
Dirty Wars. Yes. Have you seen that?
Yes, I have seen that. Yes. People need
to see that. They need to see that.
Absolutely. You know, they show Did you
see the part the guy's just sitting and
he he worked as a translator for the for
the army for the Americans and then and
then what happens uh in one part of the
documentary Dirty Wars, they're just
hanging out. The guy just got married.
Now put people they have to put
themselves in the situation. The guy
just got married and they heard some you
know helicopters whatever and then he
goes outside and I don't know him his
son and how many other people just
killed. They were just enjoying
themselves. Yeah. They're just dead.
Yeah. So this people have been
dehumanized. That's the thing. We don't
we don't we don't hear their stories.
They're not seen as people. They're just
seen as a just a target and okay they're
just numbers. Yeah. one million, two
million, half a million. It's just a
number for most people unfortunately and
all based on and Joe's a objective
person and he many of these events that
have happened such as 9 911 and and
whatnot. He's had people like the
people who want a new investigation on
911 and he's someone who doesn't just
swallow this stuff whole, you know,
believing it. His guest talks about
these guys who did 911. Tower seven is
unquestionably one of the hardest things
to answer. So, so you just got to just
like a detective. You got to look at it
like a detective. You got you got Okay,
that building came down. So, we the
people want to know uh what happened at
Tower 7? How come it looks like a demo?
It looks like it exploded. It look it
must be exploded. That's the conspiracy
theory. What does the government say?
Nothing. It's not in the 9/11 commission
report. They deny it. There's no there's
they don't say anything. They don't
acknowledge it. after public pressure of
wanting to know if uh that was a
controlled demo or not, we want a real
investigation. Finally, in 2008, they fi
N finally came out. A government agency
comes out and he and they ask him, they
go, "What?" He gives a little
presentation that Tower 7 uh was brought
down because it got too hot. And then he
starts fielding questions and they said,
"How why didn't you guys test for
explosives? This is what this is all
about." You know what he said? The
answer was there were no witnesses that
said they heard explosions. That was his
answer. And there's uh endless endless
video after video after video after
video after video. Firemen, policemen,
witness after witness after witness
after there's all on video. All on video
right when it happens. And then the
bombs went off and then before that
plane and then bombs were just and then
the whole lobby was just bombs. And then
we turned around. And we were going down
the elevator and the elevator blew up
and there's everyone's saying bombs the
newscasters are saying while they're
there going everyone's saying bombs are
going off everywhere. Every They took
all that and buried it. They were saying
there's all this. They said n it's on
video. They're saying we didn't have
any. They go you didn't check for
explosives. They go no we didn't check
for explosives. There was no witnesses
that said they heard explosions. Now,
I'm not going to get into, you know, the
over two or close to 3,000 architects
and engineers, you know, that are
calling for reinvestigation, family
members and whatnot. I'm a family member
trying to find out the answers to the
murder of 3,000 plus people. Please look
at architects and engineers, people all
around the world, scientists all around
the world are questioning this. took
some kind of consciousness raising on my
part before I was willing to look at the
the possibilities. And really, you need
to go where the evidence leads. As an
engineer, and I have three degrees in
engineering, I signed that petition for
architects and engineers for 9/11 truth
some time ago because the American
people absolutely need the truth of
9/11. Look at the evidence. In fact,
I'll say this very categorically. Any
reasonable person who looks at the
evidence that's been brought forward has
got to come away with the feeling that
something has to be done. A real
investigation has to be put forward. But
now the example that I want I want to
strike is if again one innocent life is
tragic enough that's just horrible.
Islam condemns it. It doesn't condone
it. But now imagine like if if if that
we've been off of that, how many people
have died because of that in another
part of the world, right? So that cycle
that hate now that violence, terrorism
cycle. So now the feelings that you
feel, never forget. Now you're bombing
droneing all these people. People, they
don't put themselves in other people's
shoes. Not justifying, not at all
killing innocent men and children. But
what are these people feeling? They're
human beings, too. How it's like these
people are just less human. What What do
you have you talked with people? What do
you ask them? Like, are you uh do you
innocent life there, blood here? Same
blood. Same. I mean, yeah. I mean,
everyone claims that, yeah, all blood is
equal. But they don't really treat it as
unless it's trending. Unless it's
trendy. That that that's the problem. We
live in like a very trendy society. News
is trendy. It'll last one or two weeks
and then it doesn't matter how important
it was, it's gone. Right. and and just
people's information, people's
understanding of the world is extremely
restricted, you know, and they don't
really understand. Before when we were
about to invade Iraq, people couldn't
identify where Iraq was on a map. Many
people probably still can't do that. I
mean, they don't really know much about
the world. Yet, uh we're supposed to be
these highly educated enlightened
intellectuals today who who are supposed
to understand things. The vast majority
of people don't understand things. They
think they understand. I think there's a
lot of overconfidence in people's
people's own moral compass. There's a
lot of overconfidence in people's uh
view of what they think they know about
the world. Uh and the way the world
functions supposedly in this enlightened
time that we're living in, right?
despite all these people being you know
living misery uh dying getting killed uh
you know just having their resources
stole all of these things that are
happening either people they don't know
about it and they're not going to take
any effort to go and investigate and
it's it it should be presented to us but
it's not right because of propaganda and
war machine and all of that stuff or
people know about it but they're they're
distracted you know what it's really sad
I just heard that a million people got
killed in Iraq. That's really, really
bad. It bothers me, but you know what?
Uh, let me just go buy a cup of coffee
and let's go watch a movie. Um, we just
numb numb ourselves and just get rid of
it. There's nothing wrong with watching
a movie or buy a cup of coffee. But to
just forget about that all of a sudden,
we just go and entertain ourselves. And
that's big. That's the problem with with
our culture, I think, is that even when
people do find out, most people when
they find out, they want to just remove
that because they feel like they can't
do anything about it. But you know what?
they can do something. The fact that
they know about it, the fact that they
speak about it in their own small circle
of influence, that's going to influence
other people and eventually public
perception, public opinion plays a major
role in whether or not you're going to
go and invade a country or kill a group
of people or you know uh incite hatred
against a particular religious group or
religious minority that makes a
difference. So even if you think like
you as a small person, you know, you
only have like 10 friends, 20 friends,
what am I going to do? I can't save like
the entire world. Yeah, you can't save
the world, but your contribution is
important. And if enough people do that,
then you can make a big difference. And
people like Joe, they don't just have a
small circle of influence, they have a
huge circle of influence. So when
someone like that does a small part in
removing some of these myths, talking
about, you know, you know, we shouldn't
be killing these people and we shouldn't
be st you know, putting a hatred against
them. It plays a major role. Ma major
role. A major role. Yeah. And um again
the experts that we quoted one I like to
mention Dr. uh paper from the University
of Chicago again he clearly states and
they don't bring him on mainstream media
because then that would garner the the
support of more people to be against you
know this hate war cycle but and and he
talks about it's all about foreign
occupation little to nothing to do with
Islam but you have this this force now
coming out you know with all the
negative propaganda you know spewing
this false information so now Oh, these
people do honor killings. Oh, these
people oppress women. Oh, these people
basically making them less human. So now
people just don't care. They think,
okay, they deserve to be bombed.
Exactly. Just bomb them. Keep bombing
smies. Exactly. And blame the Islam. The
Islam is the problem, right? To divert
people's attention from the real problem
over here, exploiting people's
resources, you know, their land and
whatnot. What's really c what's the root
problem causing this? Right. It's not
Islam, right? Exactly. Yeah. So
hopefully this is our humble genuine
attempt to reach people like Joe Rogan
and get you and others like yourself on
his show that would that would also show
a a good attempt on his side to be
genuine and not to, you know, be
balanced. Well balanced. Absolutely. I
would love to. And if if he wants to
even meet just privately first or
something like that, I'm more than
willing to, you know, talk to him about
this. You're the imam at a big uh
community in what part of California? in
Orange County in Anaheim, California.
Anaheim, California. Joe, we have uh our
good friend here uh also the dean of
academic affairs for the College of
Islamic California. California um
University there of Islamic Studies.
Yes. So, we have a person who's
qualified who can help fact check a lot
of these things. Anything else we
missed? I think that's it. We got a lot
covered here. We covered quite a bit.
There's there's a lot more. Hopefully in
the future we can um hope we get a good
response and um people can help get this
push this out there to Mr. Joe Rogan.
And if we get you on the show, he get we
can get him on the show if he's ever in
Chicago. Our door is open. And if he
gets you, hopefully this has produced
much good. And if not, um hopefully the
people that watch this, they have a
better understanding. And the haters are
always just going to hate. It doesn't
matter. People just look for a reason to
be angry, something to, you know, uh
take and throw. Yeah. They're not
They're not going to go away. There are
people like that. But you know what? We
hope to reach out to the people who seem
to be more objective and are willing to
listen. Yeah, that's that's our job and
that's what we want to do. That's it.
We're out of time. I'd like to thank
you. Thank you for Thank you very much
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