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And we're back here on the Dean Show to
talk about Russell Crow's film Noah. And
my next guest is no stranger to the Dean
Show. He's the star of the show The
Purpose of Life is Not the Harlem Shake,
which is a big hit out there. He's here
with us all the way from
Charlotte, North Carolina. Imam John,
peace be with you. Salamkum, Imam.
May the peace and blessings and mercy of
Allah be upon you. How are you been?
I'm just praising the most high, man.
We're blessed. Now, there's a big
controversy to get into the film. One of
the big controversies over the film is
the substitution of the word God for the
word creator. Talked to the writers.
They said that they replaced God with
the word creator. So we we're going to
go over the Islamic perspective of of
the film. But do we have a problem when
we when we you know use creator instead
of using the word god?
Right. I I heard the some of the media
outlets and some of the evangelicals.
Um the concept of
the beautiful titles and descriptions
that God has made about himself in the
holy Quran. Um and then the universality
of linguistics to describe God um is
that there are prophets sent to many
nations and the holy Quran says
that no prophet was ever sent except for
in the language talking in the language
of the people they were sent to. So for
us creator and god with a capital G both
uh identify with um the one who sent the
holy Quran to the prophet sallallahu
alaihi wasallam. So either one's fine to
us and the Quran described him in both
ways. Now you des you're described as
you you actually um you saw the film and
you did a review on it an article and
quoting you you said it was often
boring, seemingly long and drawn out.
Can you go ahead and uh expound on this?
Yeah, I wouldn't advise it for somebody
looking for good entertainment. Um it's
it's a real long drawn out movie and the
plot is very dark and shallow and it's
really you know from that aspect
obviously it's a disservice to uh
prophet Noah peace be upon him. Um but
obviously to to many Christians and to
many what you would call pseudo deists
or modern liberal folks they really
appreciated the movie and they thought
it was really inspiring. uh and it does
cover without there's some dis details
that miss but generally the plot is
quite biblical so it's not an attack on
the prophet Noah by any means now tell
us uh one of the biggest concerns that
you had with the movie and obviously we
as as uh Muslims would be the depiction
of Noah I mean we hold him to a high
regard don't we as as Muslims you you
you actually you cannot be a Muslim
unless you accept him along with Jesus
Moses and all the other messengers that
God had mentioned
Muhammad being the last. So the way that
he's depicted, what would you have to
say about that?
Yeah. So um definitely Noah and all
other prophets, the Quran tells us we
don't distinguish amongst them. And the
prophet Muhammad sallallahu alaihi
wasallam said,
"Do not prefer one prophet over
another." Um many of our scholars say
that he's being humble and he knows his
special place amongst prophets. But in
the in the general texts of the Quran
and the Sunnah, we know that we should
believe in all and hold all to a high
special status that we love and respect
and deep reverence for their message and
their character. And so obviously um we
as Muslims are are concerned about how
they're depicted and what I found is the
depiction of this anoa was by no mean a
mean of jest or mocking. Um it was just
unfortunately you know um to an extent
you know the biblical version which
which we would disagree with in many
ways.
Now tell us uh what I found odd was we
know that Noah peace be upon him he
called people for over 950 years to the
pure monotheism to worship the creator
the owner of mankind and everything in
this universe the one god correct and he
was calling people to get on the ship
but Russell Crow was keeping people off
the ship did you find that ironic yeah
and that's that's one of the major
differences is that the Quranic message
um and and depiction of of Noah is that
of a merciful, compassionate, diligent
prophet that's so concerned about the
well-being of his people. He spent all
these centuries just trying he wasn't
integrated with his society. He wasn't a
nomad guy out in the middle of nowhere
uh meant to bring the doom of humanity.
As a matter of fact, he worked hard and
he did not know um until the end of his
messenger ship that he was to build an
ark. That was something that came as a
result of him trying and trying and
trying and finally calling upon God and
asking him, can you please give me
guidance and solace? I feel like they
will not believe. And so then he sent
down that they will be punished. And so
he built the ark. So obviously the
Quranic um depiction is that he's
building the ark in the city and amongst
people and they're mocking and
ridiculing you're you know this is
nonsense. There's not going to be a
flood that we're going to die in. And uh
there were in the in the Quran it says
that there were many believers. You have
many scholarly attempts at uh
pinpointing it. But there were you know
uh many believers who were following
Noah and believing in his message and
they joined him and they were helping
him build the ship. Uh not some uh
trapped angel rock characters as you
will see in the movie. Um it was
actually uh there is some scholars that
narrated that the angels facilitated it
but in general it was Noah his family
and the and the believers and so they
were they were on the ship with him in
in the Quran. So this one before we go
to break this this wouldn't be a Judeo
Noah wouldn't just fit in a
Judeo-Christian
story. The the story of Noah comes from
the Judeo-Christian.
He actually has a big part in Islam,
doesn't he? Oh yeah. I would say if you
look at the Quran, the depiction of Noah
and the extensive discussion about Noah
is actually more of that in the Bible.
So the the the Quran has a much more
special concern uh given to Noah than
than any other scripture on earth. Yeah.
But he's dear to our hearts. So we you
can't exclude the the Muslims from from
Noah, can you? Yes. We're going to be
right back with Imam John to continue
discussing the film with Russell Crow.
Noah here on the Dean Show. Right back.
Word can't have defects in it, can it?
If it is literally God's word, yes, it
cannot have defects.
I mean, this was written by men, we know
that this is a collection, right? Even
if you have Matthew, Mark, Luke, and
John, the gospel according to according
to, right? Um, the the thing about the
Quran and the biggest and and you know,
I'll leave you with this is the biggest
thing for me is if the Quran is exactly
what it says it is, and this doesn't
matter whether you're Muslim or not. If
the Quran is what it says it is, the
Quran is literally the word of God
delivered via Gabriel to Muhammad who
was an unlettered man who couldn't read
or write. Right? And he was just told to
recite, right? That was the first thing,
right? First thing he was told, recite,
right? Um, so if it is literally the
word of God, then that's pretty
important to me. And And before I became
Muslim, I said, "If this is the word of
God,
then
I'm going to follow it because I'd be
stupid not to."
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John, the star of the hit show The
Purpose of Life is not to Harlem Shake,
is it?
This wonderful show. People can go, they
can see it on YouTube. They type in uh
The Purpose of Life is Not to Harlem
Shake. What an awesome show you did. You
also uh you starred in the show Clearing
the Many Misconceptions.
Did a great job there. And now we got
you back talking about the film with
Russell Crowe Noah. So we discussed
earlier that no no Muslim we we often
say that no Muslim is a Muslim unless he
believes and loves Jesus peace be upon
him. Is that correct? And no Muslim is a
Muslim unless he believes also in Moses.
And Noah being one of those messengers
that carried the same message as all the
preceding messengers which was obviously
to call in the people to worship the
creator, not the creation. And we didn't
see much of that, did we? We didn't we
didn't see I mean tell us uh we uh you
saw the film did we did you see a lot of
that where he was calling people away
from idolatry away from human worship
creation worship to worship the creator
right so that's the crux of the of the
difference is that um basically god time
and time again makes the depiction in
the Quran of the problem with humanity
is some form of polytheism that people
move away from their their roots uh the
who created them and nurtured them and
provided them and takes care of them.
That is the one that we should live to
serve and be in some sort of purposeful
union with. And so people that worship
rock stones, people their desires,
money, entertainment, people that the
center of their life is not that is
where people have lost their way. And so
uh historically there was a lot of idol
worship and worshiping of the sun and
the moon and the stars and the statues
and people and things like this. And so
the Quran actually depicts that there
were five famous uh pious righteous
people that people really revered and
they were followers of Adam and and the
previous uh understanding of God through
the beginning of mankind. But after
their death they erected these statues
and people started to worship them and
they used to hold them as the most dear
answer to their prayers and giving of
sustenance and things like this. So that
was the most important thing in the the
Quran teaches us of Noah's mission was
to remove that polytheistic worshiping
of the creation um rather than the
creator. And obviously their corruption
and iniquity was also a part of that.
And that's because of when you have
polytheism then it removes the purity of
heart that one would have in being in in
having that special spiritual connection
with the actual truth of their soul that
is living and causing their body life
because of the creative uh um mysterious
uh divine uh soul that was created
there. And so that's the divine uh
oneness of God is in that oneness and
the purpose of life that we're looking
for. So in the Bible and in this movie
the the story is basically from the very
beginning Noah um is being told in
dreams that you're going to the you're
going to have to build the ship because
mankind is doomed and there is no hope.
There's no calling to them. There's no
the problem also in in the Bible and in
the movie is that it was about iniquity
and wickedness that people have become
evil and corrupt in general by their
actions there which is also a big
problem and people should um always be
working to eradicate social um
injustices and corruption. But
polytheism is the most serious issue. Um
and so Noah spent centuries trying to
eradicate um polytheism from society and
and he kept telling them he will forgive
you. God is forgiving and merciful and
he will remove your sins and he will um
give you grace and he will not only send
down rain but he will send it down with
fruits and wealth and good for you
instead of unfortunately what happened
which was the destruction of them. Tell
us now the Islamic version of the
angels. You see in the film what happens
is they have the concept of fallen
angels who then they were covered up
with the earth made into like some lava
rocks and then they came later to help
uh Noah. What do we say about this?
Yeah, obviously the the Quran um is very
clear
that angels do not have this conscious
choice that they live on. They have an
awareness of self, but they are
programmed just like the ant knows to
build its colony and do its job. That's
how the the angels are. They just do
what God has programmed them to do
without um thinking about wh why should
I do this or can I do something else? So
there is no such thing as a fallen
angel. And and and I actually did a
discussion with an interfaith group
about this movie and they were
struggling with this. They're saying,
"Okay, what is Satan then?" So I tried
to explain that Satan is a jin. He is a
being that is uh not a human and not an
angel. Um but has traits from both in
that they have choice but they have some
sort of supernatural uh existence
outside of our general realm here on
earth um that isn't something we
interact with generally. And so um so
basically the fallen angel concept is
somehow mentioned in the Bible and this
is mainly from the concept of of Satan
and Lucifer and his fall from grace. But
we we understand that all angels in the
Quran do what God tells them and they
are uh completely submitted to his will.
They are Muslims not by choice but by
the way they were created inherently.
Whereas people and jin um they have to
seek God. They have to choose. They have
to struggle with their desires to become
one with God in purpose by choosing to
be a Muslim, a submitter to the will of
God. Now, you just something profound
which has me go to my next question. You
said the angels were Muslims and now can
you connect that with Noah being Muslim,
Jesus and all the other messengers and
us today being Muslims following that
same way? What do you mean by that? And
that's see that's that's what's
interesting and this is where it's very
important for Muslims to be involved in
the interfaith circles because when you
show people biblical verses of Moses and
Noah and Abraham and Jesus teaching the
religion they taught which was to to
submit to the will of God and to follow
his law and to connect yourself with
him. uh you know this is the
commandments and so uh a Muslim is one
who submits to the will of God and so
everything the the earth the moon the
suns the trees the ocean is all
submitting to the will of God our bodies
regardless of what religion you want to
choose and and how you want to live your
life your blood is flowing through your
body by the heart that's beating and the
food is digesting all because of a
system that was programmed by God and no
person who believes in God could deny
that so at the end of the day any
Christian and Jewish person would agree
that God was sending prophets teaching
uh a message of submit to the will of
the one God who created the universe and
that is what we call in Arabic Islam and
the one who does that is called a
Muslim. So this is a very uh special
unique quality of the title that we have
in our of our of our religious uh uh
practices. That is deep that is profound
and it makes sense. Submission to the
will of God. That's what a Muslim is.
That what we're doing. Jesus was a
Muslim. Noah, Abraham, and the last and
final messenger of Pro Muhammad. They
were all Muslims submitting to the will
of God. You mentioned angels are Muslim.
And the son and the star, everything
that's submitting to God is a Muslim.
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We're discussing the film with Russell
Crowe Noah. And before we conclude,
we're almost out of time. The few
minutes that we have less left. Tell us
now the next question that I want to ask
you was the part that we know in in the
Quran we believe that the the flood was
more localized and this would be more
accurate with science and the
discoveries that we have. Can you go
ahead and elaborate on this and the
actual movie and the the Bible talking
it being a more worldwide flood?
Right. Yeah. So basically right now and
in the past few decades you have a lot
of people who studying oceanography and
geology and the sciences are coming
forth and so now you have a lot of
people from the Christian and Jewish
community that are doubting and
questioning the claim of an
international worldwide flood um that
that was possible or whatever. And then
you have a very reasonable response from
the religious community that God can do
whatever he wants to do. But
interestingly enough, something that is
quite unique in various issues regarding
uh matters of science and things like
that is that you will find the Quran and
the uh Sunnah, the established teachings
of the prophet Muhammad um are all very
much in tune and in very uh detailed um
explanation of a lot of scientific facts
that are quite interesting. And so, um,
many of our scholars a long time ago
before science had reached where it was,
they looked at the story and and it
doesn't it doesn't say it was a
localized flood and it doesn't say it
was a worldwide flood, but they brought
a few arguments to say that it has to be
a localized flood. Number one being that
according to our prophet, there's a
thousand years between Adam and Noah.
And so then him living 950 years, now
you have 9 1,950 years. So you have the
progeny of Adam have have you know uh
exponentially um grown across the world
and surely people didn't just live on
top of each other they moved across the
earth and so we have a principle in our
Quran that says that God would never
punish anybody in this life or the
hereafter unless they had received the
message of a messenger understood it and
then they rejected it and sought to to
go against it. Um so the the Quran
depicts in time and time again that Noah
was sent to his people and many of our
scholars said that only prophet Muhammad
since he was the last prophet was any
prophet's message supposed to reach all
people across the earth that people many
prophets were sent to spe the all the
prophets before Muhammad were sent to
specific people and so because of that
they said that the flood had to have
been uh local to the area where Noah was
and not something we're plus you have
the issue of you know whatever the Quran
does not depict a miraculous coming of
all animals on planet earth into the
ship it actually tells Moses actually
the Bible does too tells Moses to get to
bring upon the ship with you two of the
the animals obviously there are many
animals that didn't exist in the area of
Noah that existed in many places on the
on the rest of the earth and those
animals would not have survived and we
would not see them today had there have
been an international flood so these are
arguments um by science and the Quran uh
has a
an answer or a solution to such problem
long before modernity and the
advancement of science. So that's
something about the um the the depth of
Islam and its seemingly compatibility in
all cases with scientific um
establishment in the last uh century.
Now with our deep and profound love for
all of the prophets, all of the
messengers that God sent, now we know
that obviously Islam is based on five
pillars. the actions that you do. And
then before that, you have the articles
of faith. What a person needs to
believe. The belief in one and one only
one God. The belief in the angels, the
messenger, the books that were sent with
the messengers, the the divine decree
and the day of judgment. Let's go back
to the article of faith of the
messengers. Belief in these messengers,
exclude one, exclude all, you end up in
the hellfire. So when we say we really
love them, we love them. And now we have
a depiction of Noah. And you discussed
this. I I believe you discussed I'm not
sure but you see in the film that he's
laying there but naked. Yeah. Excuse my
language but we would take strong
exception to him being a drunk and also
being depicted like this. Is this right?
Right. So basically the uh the the Bible
does have this depiction of I'm sorry.
I'm sorry. I'm I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Let
me let me let me just take this back
because this is really sensitive.
Russell Crowe was the one who was naked.
We we would never ever attribute
anything of the sort to this blessed
man, this blessed messenger. Please go
ahead and continue. Right. So uh yeah.
So basically uh um the Bible has this
account of Noah getting drunk and ending
up naked uh somewhere. And so this is uh
completely uh contradictory to um all
prophets depiction in the holy Quran and
in the example of the prophet Muhammad
and what he has uh told us about the
prophets. So this is a clear difference
that you will find between the biblical
narrative of of many prophets in that
there are some very grave sins um and
evil and unbecoming of a of a person who
was sent uh to be an example of guidance
and to bring God's uh revelation and his
will to the people. So um basically the
Quran talks about all prophets as
righteous, pious uh people who emulated
um and embodied the message of God and
were great examples that people would
not go on the day of judgment arguing
well I was bad because so and so prophet
was doing this and that and so why could
I be accounted for such things? So
obviously people need an example and God
touched their lives in a special way
even though they are human beings
capable of human error. None of them
made sins against what they knew to be
uh God's will and what is of good
character. So that's that's a that's a
clear difference between uh our religion
and the holy Quran and the depiction in
the Bible and this movie. Now before we
come to end I just have a couple more
points. We're almost out of time. Tell
us now I think this is real important
also. This is kind of a tangent on the
side. When when when we as those who are
always trying to remain chased, we're
trying to remain righteous. We're trying
to we we we make mistakes all the time,
but God is the most loving, the most
merciful. But when we catch ourselves,
let's say, watching uh for instance, a
UFC fight and you know, the ring girls
come out and the brothers, you know,
you're supposed to be lowering your
gaze, but you got a half a dozen of the
rooms full of brothers and they're just
like hypnotized and they're not lowering
their gaze or they're watching a film,
for instance. What should be should
should the remote be in the hand quickly
to fast forward? Tell us some some some
tips on what you should be doing if
you're watching even a G or a PG rated
movie. But sometimes you have a lot of
even in the cartoons you got a lot of
bad stuff coming up. Should that should
that gaze be dropped fast? Yeah. So as
as a Muslim number one the first thing
is we would look to uh content of a
movie and there's a good app that you
can have called kids in mind that I use
even for myself that people made just so
that people who plan to have children or
people who have a moral mindset that
they go and they they hash out every
possible uh devian from morality that
they could. So basically, most R-rated
movies have stuff that just isn't
something that a Muslim would watch
because its content is generally the
themed in evil and corruption. So that's
not something I would entertain myself
with. Um, so as a Muslim, um, we would
not choose to watch a movie that is
themed in something filthy and immoral.
We would look for something that's
either a decent, acceptable humor or a
story line that has some good meaning in
it, uh, that is a decent form of
entertainment. If when you do choose
something that's not themed in haram,
it's not all about people getting drunk
or using drugs or some horror sick
murderist film or whatever. Um if you're
watching a film or you're walking in the
street or in the mall, you know, grocery
shopping or whatever, um you look away
when you see something that is is is
uncomfortable spiritually. And that's
just something where you got to help
your brothers and sisters out because
people either they're desensitized or
they just have weak spirituality. So you
would advise people to lower the gaze
and look away and seek the forgiveness
of God because he is greatly forgiving
and merciful. Okay. Now uh tell us a
recap. Do you give this movie a thumbs
up, thumbs down? Summarizing it before
we conclude.
I give the movie both a thumbs up and a
thumbs down. I have to be balanced in my
approach. I give it a thumbs up because
I so much more appreciated the Quran and
I was so much more motivated uh to try
to encourage Muslims to get involved in
one way or another in film and
television and depict morally sound
proper portrayals of realities and to
bring uh a good influence and convey a
message of goodness with our morality
because it will be enticing. people will
like what the Quran teaches if they come
to know it in a modern uh depiction and
portrayal. Um, obviously a thumbs down
in that I was very much uh kind of
sickened by Noah's lack of mercy and
compassion and uh seeking forgiveness
and no campaign to try to bring the
people to God's love and mercy as the
Quran teaches. Um, and and I just felt
that it was kind of a dark movie with,
you know, the way it was portrayed and
it was, like I said, long and drawn out.
So, I don't I wouldn't go advising
people to go watch it. But if somebody
did and people are curious and that's
that's another point that we just have
to say that we can't we have to stop the
haram police attitude where everybody's
out there condemning everybody and
judging everybody. I mean, if somebody's
out there drinking alcohol, clearly
that's haram and there's no question
about it. But when there's doubtful
matters and somebody feels like, you
know, that they're not doing haram and
say some other person wants to feel like
they're preserving their religion and
being safe, let's not judge everybody
and condemn them and so forth. um let's
worry about ourselves in matters that
could be differing about and leave the
scholars to make the decisions on those
things. Um but yeah, at the end of the
day um I I would have loved for some
Muslim to put an amazing well portrayed
depiction of a prophet that people could
see the beauty of the Quran in some uh
film way. That would be awesome. Is it
safe to say I mean clearly this has
nothing to do with our Noah? Yeah. the
the Quranic Noah, the the true Noah as
we know him from from prophec prophecy
that was fulfilled in the prophet
Muhammad, a miraculous man and a
character becoming of only a true man of
prophethood. Um we would say that this
movie does not depict Noah. Um may God's
peace and blessings and mercy be upon
him. Thank you so much. And may the
creator unite us to be with all the
prophets, Noah, Jesus, Issa, uh, Moses,
Abraham, and the last and final
messenger of, Prophet Muhammad, to live
on this way of Islam that they live by
the submission to the will of the
creator and not the creation, so we can
be with all of them in Jenna, paradise.
How's that sound? Amen, brother. I'm all
about it. All right. Thank you so much
for being with us. You know, stranger to
the show. So hopefully we'll have you
back again, God willing. How's that
sound? Inshallah. God willing. Peace be
with you.
And there you have it. That was this
week's show on Noah. Russell Crow, Imam
John giving it a thumbs up that it
reassured him of his dean of Islam, of
the Quran because you have a portrayal
of Noah in Islam that makes sense. and a
thumbs down letting you know that has
nothing to do the film had Russell Crowe
and this film had nothing to do with the
true message and the true story of Noah
who we covered in the show letting you
know that he's beloved to our hearts
just like Jesus is beloved to our hearts
and Noah and Abraham and Moses because
they all were the best of mankind they
had the best noble character they were
the best examples for mankind so you
won't find in Islam them getting drunk
doing these absurdities, major sins. No,
you won't find that. And you won't find
them calling people away from the
creator. They call people to worship the
creator. They called people not to
worship a stick, a stone, a bone. And
they warn people about creation worship.
You know, you go to hellfire worshiping
a human being, worshiping the planets,
the sun, the stars. They warn people of
this. And they gave that tender loving
advice to worship only the one who made
you, your creator. That makes sense.
That was that one message of pure
monotheism and that's what Noah came
with. And one more thing before we
conclude that Noah when he was asked
remember 950 plus years calling people
to worship the creator not the creation
to Islam he was a Muslim and it was one
another one of the things that we did
Imam John brought to our attention that
the the the sun the galaxies you know
the creation everything is submitting to
God. Well we have a choice. Are we going
to submit to God or to our desires? So
anything that submits to God is a
Muslim. That's right. So Noah was a
Muslim. And when Noah was asked about
this life, he said, "How did you find
it?" He was asked. He said, "I found it
after living for over 950 years calling
the people to Islam." He said, "It was
like a house with two doors. I came in
one door, left the other." And that's
what this life is really about. It's
just a day. You'll feel like you've been
in here a day, half a day, day and a
half. That's it. It's gone. and it's
over. And what have you done with it?
You just partied and played. Just
followed your fancies and desires and
said, "You know what? I'm just going to
kick it. Life is short." No, man. Forget
about it. Leave all the 50 Cents
philosophies alone, man. And do what
Noah did. No one submitted to God. Do
what Jesus did. Jesus submitted to God.
Do what the last and final messenger
did. He submitted to the creator, not
the creation. They call people to Islam.
That's what it is. Look into Islam. Call
us at 1800662 Islam and get to know it
because it's the way of life that'll
bring you peace and prosperity in this
life and paradise in the next. We hope
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