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up in Baltimore. She is a graduate
student and pursuing her MBA. Her mother
is a Baptist minister. She grew up in
the Baptist church and wasn't a
Christian sorority,
thought Islam was of the devil. Then she
started using her mind and came across a
Muslim who corresponded with her, talked
to her and her heart just connected and
she's here on the dean show to tell us
how she went from confusion to a way
that's clear, straightforward, and is
the way of Jesus. That's right. And all
the prophets of God. So this incredible
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our special guest Bianca.
Bianca. Peace be with you.
Salam. How are you? Thank you for being
with us here on the Dean Show.
Thank you so much for having me.
Now, I opened up the show and I talked
about your mother. She's actually a
Christian minister. You actually came
from come from a a Baptist Christian
background. We're in a Christian uh
sorority. And tell us some of the You're
currently studying to get your MBA.
Uh tell us a little bit more about
yourself.
Well, I'm 25. I live in Baltimore. Uh as
you said, I'm currently working on my
NBA. Uh inshallah I'll be finished by
next year. Um I did grow up in a
Christian family. We used to attend the
Baptist church. Um some of my family
members still attend, some don't
currently. I grew up going to church
every Sunday. We didn't really go to
Bible study, but we went to church every
Sunday. Sometimes church would last 3 4
hours. And um once I went to college, I
decided that I wanted to figure out who
God was on my own. and still just having
that Christian background and not really
knowing anything else besides that. I I
sought out God in the church and also I
joined a Christian sorority and I and I
started learning more about my religion.
You had mentioned something about
thanking the creator who brought you out
of discontent and confusion. What was
this discontent and confusion that you
were in before Islam?
I I feel like I was at a point once I
started searching for God on my own. I
felt like I came to a point where I
hadn't I hadn't found God. I joined the
church on my own away from my family. I
went to church every Sunday. I went to
Bible study. I went to the meetings. And
something just didn't feel right. And I
I started not going to church. I started
staying home on Sundays. And I felt so
bad. But it just it wasn't there. I
didn't I didn't know what it was.
because I didn't understand. And then I
met a Muslim about Islam. And I said,
"Oh, well that's that's your religion
and that's a whole different god and
that doesn't make any sense and I'm a
Christian." And I kept with my
Christianity until one day it kind of
clicked in my head and I'm like, "Well,
wait a minute. This is answering the
questions that I've had all along. Let
me figure out what this is."
What were some of these questions that
you had?
I actually asked my mom one time, um,
what is the Holy Spirit? Like, can you
explain this to me? Whenever I went to
church, I would always see people
jumping and screaming and they would
say, "Oh, this is the Holy Spirit. This
is how you worship and praise God." But
I never felt inclined to jump and scream
and fall out all over the place when I
went to church. Not to say that that's
wrong for anybody else, but for me, I
never felt that.
How do you know it is a holy spirit? How
do you know that it's not some other
type of spirit that's causing you to to
jump and act this way? And those are
some of the questions that I had.
Yeah, that's a good point. Uh and that's
one of the things beautiful things about
Islam that it calls you to think. You
know, it's not just about emotions and
being full of some kind of spirit. Uh
and you actually an academic. I mean
you're someone who's pursuing a degree
uh an MBA. I mean you're somebody who
was using your intellect, your mind,
what God gave you, your common sense.
Right. Right.
And did you find did you did you find
that Islam was connecting with what was
in your innate nature and with your
intellect? Absolutely. Absolutely. Um
for one,
I think that
Islam connected with me when I saw that
it was it was so simple. It was so
direct. You just connect with creator
and that's it. You don't have to hoop
and holler. You don't have to make your
prayer better than the next person's
prayer because we're shown how we should
pray. And to me, it just felt more
authentic like God I feel like God just
he shows us how to worship him. You
don't have to wonder. You don't have to
try to figure out if my prayer was
better than the next guy's prayer or
anything like that. The first time that
I actually went to a masid, I was so
nervous. I'm like, "Okay, well, what's
going to happen in here? I don't know
these people. I don't know where I'm
going." Some sisters grabbed me. They
said, "Come, we'll show you how to
pray." I said, "I don't know how to
pray." I said, "We'll show you." And
when I put my head on the ground, I
said, "Wow,
this is amazing." I didn't know what I
what I was feeling, but it just felt so
amazing. And as I started reading the
Quran, it just felt even more amazing.
Like there's an ayah in the Quran in
surah al if I can read it. Is that okay?
Absolutely. Yes.
Okay. Um one of the translations says,
"Do you see that if your streams were to
become dry then who can supply you with
clear flowing water?"
And I said, "Wow." Like it absolutely
blew my mind that and all the other
things that I've read and learns about
that answered a lot of the questions
that I had in Christianity. It just it
blew my mind. It was amazing.
Uh that's interesting. You said there's
there's no hoop and holler. There's
it's pretty straightforward. Worship the
creator, not the creation. And when you
put your head on the ground, I mean, you
didn't do anything different than what
Jesus did. I mean, it's quoted uh in the
in the Gospel of Matthew that he went a
little further, meaning referring to
Jesus, and he fell on his face and he
prayed to God. That's the God you're
praying to.
Absolutely.
So you do you do do you find more and
more I'm sorry go ahead.
I was just saying the prayer is still
one of my favorite things because it
just it feels so authentic. It just it's
amazing. I can't describe it and I just
I think a lot like you were saying that
he guided me to this path. Even when I
had learned about Islam before, it still
didn't connect with me and I was still
closing it off like, "Oh, this is not
for me. This is strange. That's a
different God." And so Allah kind of
opened my heart up to it and then I just
saw how beautiful Islam really is.
Do you find like most people do who come
I mean I've interviewed many scholars of
uh of the Bible of Christianity uh who
the more they they learned about Islam,
the more they saw that this was the
authentic original message of all the
messengers that submission and surrender
to the creator worshiping him doing his
will
on earth as it is in heaven. the same as
you see in the Lord's prayer, just
worshiping God. No middleman, uh nobody
in the middle between you and God, no
saints, no idols, nothing. Pure
monotheism. And then all the other uh
rituals that they they they um grew up
knowing about but not knowing how to
implement. But you see, are you starting
to see for instance uh somebody now
would look at you and and you see
Jesus's mother Mary, you cannot tell the
color of her hair cuz she's wearing what
you're wearing. So another tradition
right there. I mean, are you seeing this
the more and more you study uh Islam?
Um I I am seeing I'm learning more
interesting things every day. I listen
to your app actually when I'm at work. I
listen to um other teachers when I'm at
work. And at life actually is starting
to make more sense
then. And if I may mention um one of my
friends asked me, if you become a
Muslim, what do you think is going to be
the hardest thing for you? And I
actually told her covering my hair is
going to be by far the hardest thing for
me. And um there were a lot of things to
go along with that that I'm not going to
get into and I have limited time. But
once I I converted, it took me a week
before I started covering my hair. But
once I covered my hair, I felt amazing.
I felt beautiful. I felt respectable.
And I I didn't have to worry about is my
hair looking perfect today or is this
person going to like my hair? Is this
acceptable? And it just it's amazing all
around. You just you find out more about
yourself and and about life as you go
through Islam and more every day.
We're going to go take a break. We want
to know about your parents' reaction. I
mean, being from a really staunch
Christian background, we have a lot more
to talk about with Bianca here on the
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The question is about whether Muslims
are or not good citizens. The
Constitution defines what a good citizen
is. And the preamble says, "We the
people of the United States in order to
form a more perfect union, establish
justice, ensure domestic tranquility."
To any Muslim that can say that is a
good Muslim and most Muslims can say
that. Most Muslims will embrace that.
Most Muslims are good Americans.
This is the
back here with Bianca
on the Dean Show. So Bianca uh you made
this very important decision. Now before
that there's a lot of misinformation out
there and you had mentioned that you had
at one point like most people thought
that Islam was of the devil.
Yes.
And tell us about this.
Well, uh, growing up a Christian, you're
well, I'm not going to say you're, but I
was taught that anything that's not
Christianity is of the devil. It's the
devil trying to distract you and things
that you don't need to get into, things
that you don't need to worry about. And
I think the media played a pretty big
part in what I thought about Islam. And
I'm sure other people have seen things
that can seem a little scary, a little
confusing in the media. Um,
so again, just being taught to stay away
from those types of things and and I
thought it was of the devil if it wasn't
Christianity.
How did your mother now? Is it your
mother or also your father who's a
minister in the church?
Just my mother.
Just your mother. Uh, how did she
respond when she How did you tell her?
Give us paint us a picture. How how how
did you uh did you just come up to her
and say, "Uh, I've accepted this." How
how did you break her break into this
conversation?
Well, I I didn't tell her for 3 weeks
after I converted because first I was
nervous and then I felt like, okay, I
just wasn't ready to have that type of
conversation with her because I knew
where I could possibly go with her being
a minister. After 3 weeks, I I kept
praying said, "Allah, Allah, please give
me the strength and the courage to just
tell her because I don't want to have to
keep hiding when I walk out the house. I
don't want to have to worry about wiping
my hair in the car. I want to be able to
be myself." So, I I just went to her and
I said, "Um, do you remember when I told
you that I didn't fully believe in
Christianity or I didn't think it was
the correct way?" She said, "Yes." And I
said, "Well, I'm not a Christian." And
her mouth kind of dropped a little bit
and she's like, "What do you mean? So,
what are you?" And I said, "I'm a
Muslim." And she just stared at me and I
could tell that she wasn't ready to
talk. So, I left her alone. And a few
hours later, she came to me and asked
me, "So, what prompted you to make that
decision?" And I told her what it was
and she wasn't angry with me. She said,
"You know, I'm not going to put you out.
You're wrong. You can make that
decision. I'm very disappointed and I do
not agree, but you're old enough to make
your own decision."
There's a a really unique and amazing
story about a really just and fair
Christian king that the prophet Muhammad
peace be upon him when the Muslims were
being persecuted, he sent them to
Ebiscinia. And there was this king there
who he said go and be with him to escape
persecution. And he's a a fair and just
ruler. So uh at that time the pagan came
from Mecca they tried to bring the
Muslims back uh and there was a court at
that time. So the Christian king Nashi
he got to hear he wanted to hear what
because again there was this negative
propaganda against the Muslims. So he
said let me hear what you guys are about
this message. So they recited some
Quran. They explained Islam and he said
these two are from the same beams of
light and he accepted them in their
kingdom. He was just in fear. Later the
more he learned about Islam, he he saw
that this was the exact same message
that Jesus brought that submission and
surrender to the creator not to create.
He accepted Islam. So uh I'm sure uh
many people when they start to really
see the similarities and they see that
this is like you have seen the original
message of Jesus because obviously many
Christians also they don't agree with
this trinity uh father son holy ghost
but when you tell them only god just one
god that's easy a child can understand
this
absolutely I think that for some
Christians it's really hard to accept
that the bible and the Quran have a a
common source because it's that little
thing, the the Jesus being God's son
element that makes it completely
different. And I even had a Christian
come up to me when I was walking in the
street and said, he said, "You're going
to go to hell." And I said, "Hm, well,
why is that?" And he says, "Because you
don't believe Jesus is the son of God."
And I said, "Well, show me where Jesus
said that he was the son of God." And he
couldn't show me. And he just kept going
on and on about you just have to have
faith. and you know the things that a
lot of your other
with them and and nobody can show me
this proof yet people want to hold so
tightly to this belief and after a while
it doesn't make sense
yeah that's powerful when you ask people
I mean sincerely look if if I'm going to
go to hell based on what you're saying
provide the evidence where did this
Jesus who we love and rever is one of
the mightiest messengers of God just
like Abraham Moses and all the other
messengers who brought the same message
of Islam submission to the creator not
the creation Where did he ever call
people to worship himself as a god or
literal son of god or that he came to
die for the sins of the world? It's it's
nowhere. You have ambiguous statements
that you can interpret that way but
clear unambiguous. It's not there. Now
how about many people they end up
getting detered from Islam because of
all the negative hype propaganda against
Islam. Uh did this affect you? And and
and many people they end up uh realizing
if they investigate Islam that Islam is
the truth, but they're not courageous
enough because what is my what are my
parents going to say? What is my
community going to say? So they cover it
up and they walk away. You didn't do
that. But did did you have that
trepidation in your heart now?
I think I have it now. And I had to pray
a lot. I had to ask Allah to give me
strength because
again it took me a week before I even
covered my hair after I converted. And I
was nervous like even with my job
because when I came to my job I was a
Christian and I didn't cover my hair and
I didn't dress a certain way and now I'm
coming in in the middle of the week and
I'm covering my hair and everybody's
like whoa are you having a bad hair day?
Whoa, I thought you just like the style
and I have to explain to them, no, I'm a
new Muslim. And I think that maybe the
media it did play a part at first before
I even knew anything about Islam. But
once I started learning about it, it's
like you can't deny it. You just can't.
If you sit and read the Quran, if you
pray, even before you read the Quran, if
you just pray, you cannot deny it at
all. It's just, it's so amazing.
The main thing that we've seen is is and
the most important thing obviously is
just connecting that heart back to its
maker. All of the injunctions that come
now are just for for our own benefit.
All many people don't realize that that
everything that the creator told us to
do, it's good for us and the things he
told us to stay away from, it's harmful.
There's great wisdom behind it. So Islam
is not just a bunch of dos and don'ts,
but the main thing is connecting to God
alone, dialing up to the creator alone,
worshiping him alone, and then you get
to know your maker and then you just
want to please him. You want to do what
he wants you to do and then you get
double benefit because now you get to
benefit from all the good that he's told
us to do. And this is so amazing. Uh
we're going to take a break and ask you
some more questions when we come back.
How's that sound?
Sounds great.
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So tell us now uh you meet a Muslim and
he starts to or the person starts to
tell you a little bit about Islam and um
what else what what else was it? Uh did
you watch some of the did you did you
how did you find out about the Dean
show?
Well actually I started searching for
Islam and and um just to gain more
knowledge about it and I came across the
Dean Show on YouTube and I just couldn't
stop watching the episodes. It was
interesting like from the guests that
you had on to the topics. It was just
amazing and I kept watching and I gained
so much knowledge and it was actually
one of the factors that helped aid me in
my decision to convert to Islam. And
like you said, I did meet a Muslim and
he started teaching me about Islam. And
this is when I was still a Christian but
not really. And he asked me, "Okay,
well, if you're Christian, then explain
to me the Trinity." And I did. And I
thought I did a good job. And he said,
"Now think about what you just said.
Does that make any sense at all?" And I
said, "Um, actually, no. It doesn't make
any sense at all." And he's like, "Okay,
just do this. Read the Quran. Learn
about my religion. If my religion is
better than yours, learn more and then
become Muslim." I said, "Okay." And I
learned more about it and here I am
today.
Have you made that proposition to your
mother to pick up uh the Quran and just
read it for yourself, for herself, for
people in general? anybody that's uh
that's out there, would you you strongly
recommend this?
I would strongly recommend it. I haven't
recommended it to my mother. Um I I'm
not sure how she would take that. I
think I I'm kind of letting it ease over
because she's still kind of upset about
me being a Muslim in the first place.
But I would definitely recommend um that
she read it or anybody else read it just
for themselves and and just learn.
There's there's a lot of different ways
that you can learn about it. You can
listen to different apps. You can listen
to different teachers. listen to the
Dean show and you'll learn so much.
You'll learn so much.
Uh tell us Bianca, you know that uh in
the university in this day and age, you
know, people are just going away from
religion. uh what advice I mean from
from uh your experiences you've you're
going towards the natural way you know
the way that because we know that the
the same way that the the body needs
nourishment food and water the soul the
soul needs that nourishment it needs to
be connected with its maker and and the
side effect to it not is depression uh
drug abuse and and all the other
pitfalls that people fall into uh and
you probably see this you you see a lot
of uh people on anti-depressants,
suicide is on the rise. And these are
those direct side effects of not
nourishing the soul. But a lot of times
people don't even want to have that
conversation, right? And in that certain
age bracket, people, they think we're
going to live forever, just party and
wait for the weekend. Uh how did you not
fall into that or get out of it if you
were or how did you not fall into it,
stay in it, and get to where you are now
to even be thinking about uh more of uh
something noble like this?
Well, uh, it is it is a challenge,
especially when you grow up around it
here in the United States and in
Baltimore. I live in a a big city and it
is everywhere. You have friends, I have
family members who go to clubs and who
hang out and who drink and and they
might not be, you know, they might not
drink a lot, but even a little bit and
you can see the effects of it. And I I
think that it's just easy not to be
religious or not to to study or have
faith. Uh and it's it's fun for some
people. It's fun to go out. It's fun to
go dancing and drinking and and hang
with your friends and not worry about,
oh, I need to pray or oh, I need to to
read the word of God or even to think
about God. It's easy not to. And and for
some people, it is fun. So, it it does
happen, but like you said, we do need
spiritual food. And and once you start
submitting to the creator, you'll find
that you have joy and peace and
fulfillment even more and more and more
the more that you get into it. And it'll
help you to turn away from these things.
Yeah, definitely. Uh Islam has the
solution for all of these social ills.
And it's sad to see. And we definitely
Islam, if you look at ism, Islam says
love all mankind. And that's why we're
sharing because we truly want the best
for all of mankind. And uh we truly
believe that because this is from the
creator that it resonates with what's
innate in all of us. And anybody who
gives Islam a fair shot looks at it
sincerely won't reject it as you didn't
when it was brought to you. You were
sincere true seeker and here we are
today on the Dean Show sharing your
story.
Absolutely. And and I do think that
Islam deserves a fair shot from
everybody Christian, Jew, atheist. And I
was actually listening to a lecture the
other day and it was interesting that
the teacher said that dwa is and da is
prayer supplication. Dwa is proof that
God exists for the atheist or for people
who aren't sure if God exists. And
that's because if anything happens to
you if you get in a serious situation
where you're deeply afraid or you feel
like you're going to die, anybody you
help me. And that's for anybody. And
that's proof that God exists. And the
Quran is so much different from the
Bible in in the way that it's laid out,
in the way that Allah speaks to you
directly. And I just think it's so
amazing that God in all of his glory
sent us down the Quran and said, "Let me
explain everything to you. Let me tell
you how I made you. Let me tell you how
I made the earth and and all these
things." Like, he doesn't have to do
that at all. And it's so amazing. And
for us not to read it and not to pay
attention to it, who are we?
Yes, it's amazing point. Many people now
they don't know that Jesus, he called on
the creator by the word alaha because he
didn't speak English. He spoke Aramaic
which is a sister language to Arabic and
you are just following that same
tradition. Now, for the skeptics out
there, they think, "Okay, she's been
brainwashed, uh, coerced somehow, and
now she's going to end up, uh, uh,
joining some fanatical group, uh,
terrorism associated with Islam. You
know, now she's subjugated." What What
do you have to say to him?
I say find out for yourself. You know, I
can sit here and talk all day about my
own experience, and people have talked
to me about their own experience back
when I was a Christian, and I didn't
want to hear it, and I said, "Oh,
whatever. That's you. That's your
religion. this is this not for me. Uh
you guys are weird. But I encourage
people to find out for themselves. Read.
Ask people. Ask Muslims. Ask them about
their personal story, their personal
struggles and their personal situations.
Then you'll you'll find out. Pray.
That's the first thing you establish
prayer. Just just put your head to the
ground and like people always say like
you say, just ask the creator to guide
you. You don't have to give him a name.
You don't have to say God or Yahweh or
whoever you call upon. Just let creator
guide me. And that's all you have to do.
And I actually wanted to show you this
book that I found in the library. Can
you see it?
Yes.
Can you read what it says?
Uh ghosts.
Mhm.
Yes. The natural history. Yes.
500 years of searching for proof. Allah
told us what it is in the Quran. He said
that he made gems from a smokeless fire.
They're sitting in a position where they
can see us, but we can't see them. I
just find it interesting that people are
taking all this time to search for stuff
that Allah already laid out for us in
the Quran. So I just really encourage
people to read it for themselves and
find out in their own.
Yeah. Instead of doing something like
this, going all the way around the uh uh
corner to search scratch your head or
going around the world to find it. It's
it's there. Ask like you said really
basic. Ask the creator alone to guide
you. That's the first play place to
start. Really simple. Beautiful. Thank
you so much uh for being with us here on
the Dean Show. May God Almighty the
creator continue to bless you and to
strengthen you and grant you Jenna
paradise. Thank you so much.
And you as well. Thank you.
Thank you. And that was Bianca here on
the Dean Show with a fabulous story and
so many people are being just robbed and
neglected
from hearing about the truth. But you
got to tune in today and you got to hear
this wonderful story. So she went from
being in a really staunch Baptist
household, Christian household to now
being Muslim. And then when we say
Muslim, remember it's very important
these key points that Jesus was a Muslim
because a Muslim is one who surrenders
and submits to the creator alone
worshiping God Almighty, the same God
that Jesus worshiped.
ABC123 really straightforward because
Jesus really he was not a Christian nor
was Abraham or Moses. They were all ones
who submitted themselves to God alone to
the creator. They worshiped the creator,
not the creation. I'm talking very slow
and explaining it because it's very
simple and easy to understand. And you
will find this message over and over in
the Bible. Here, O Israel, the Lord thy
God is one, not three in one. Jesus,
when he was approached and he said, "Oh
good master, what good thing can I do
that I may have eternal life?" He said,
"Why are you calling me good? There's
only one good and that's God. That's the
creator. And if you want to enter into
eternal life, meaning paradise, keep the
commandments. And this is what Muslims
are doing. And one of those commandments
you saw. But the main thing is before we
get into the dos and don'ts, which I had
mentioned, these are things that the
creator prescribed because they're good
for us. Laws are there in the society
pro protect society. And that's why God
Almighty, he had revealed certain
commandment commandments to protect us
and to benefit us. Things that can
benefit us, he told us to do. And
there's great wisdom. And the things
that the creator has prescribed for us.
And one of those things that have been
prescribed is the the modest dress. And
you'll see this over and over mentioned
also in the Bible. What we have left
there of truth in it. You'll see the
call to do what Bianca is doing,
worshiping the creator, not the
creation. And nowhere did Jesus ever say
to worship himself like she was asking.
Nowhere there's ambiguous statements,
but clear unequivocal no. But you see
the pure men message of monotheism that
Jesus called to. And then you see where
for instance Jesus's mother Mary, what
did she do? She wore hijab. Did Jesus
before he was born, did Jesus's mother
worship
him who was not even brought into this
world yet? And then when he was a little
baby, was she worshiping him as a god?
No, she was worshiping the same God that
our sister now is worshiping Allah Allah
in Aramaic, the sister language to
Arabic. Now I'm going on and because I
want people to see the commonalities and
to see the authentic the the the pure
message that Muslims are upon. And
you'll see in
one Corinthians, you'll see that it says
that a woman who prays, prophesizes
without her head covered, she might as
well shave her head off. She dishonors
her head. It's in the Bible. It's there.
So bits and pieces of it are there but
it's been altered. has been changed
and you will get the that's why the
creator sent the Quran
tamperree tamper proof and it is the
verbatim word of God and the final
message of prophet Muhammad peace be
upon him and more people who are sincere
truth seekers are seeing this the
message is resonating because it's
straightforward it's simple it's based
on logical proofs and evidences and you
can go ahead and learn more call us
1800662 Islam but do what He had
suggested you do. Real simple. Do what
Jesus did. He didn't put no monkey in
the middle. He didn't put anyone between
him and God. He dialed up direct. Do
that. Call on the creator alone and ask
for the guidance. Ask for the direction.
Ask for the purpose of life from the one
who made you, your maker.
Straightforward, simple. Nothing
esoteric, strange here. Worshiping only
one God. The creator not the creation. I
keep mentioning it over and over because
that's what Islam is all about. And if
you can dig that, everything else will
fall in place. If you can't even
understand that, how we going to help
you understand anything else? Again,
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mankind." That's why we're sharing this
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