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You have to pray as if everything
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But you must work as if everything
depends on you and it doesn't. That's my
point. You see what I'm saying? And I
don't like that. I don't like us sitting
here. What are you waiting for? What are
we waiting for right now? What are you
waiting for? All these people to come to
Islam. What are we waiting for? What are
we waiting for right now? When they
going to come? They're going to come.
Allah going to bring these people. All
upon put in our hand the ability to do
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And we're back here with our sister
Zora. Sister, are you there?
Assalam.
And just so the people don't have to
take but take an Arabic class from the
non-Muslim. What did you just say?
I said peace be onto you. Peace and
mercy of Allah be onto you. And Allah is
God the greatest, the almighty, the
creator.
Beautiful. They already learned some
some some some new Arabic terms. And
this is the greeting of all the
messengers. And the creator that you
mentioned is the creator of all that
exists. And we're talking about today
homeschooling, public school, private
school, Islamic school. You got to make
a decision. We heard that you made a
decision to homeschool. Now, what made
you come to this decision? Why not just
send them to a public school?
Well, Eddie, I've I've been through
public school all my life, and I've
realized the effects of it. Um, there
was many things I didn't like. There was
many peer pressures. There was many
situations I had to be in that I was I
had no idea how to deal with because I
was so different. And I, you know, I had
no idea how to be amongst people who,
you know, I was like, "No, I don't want
to do this stuff." And everyone else
wanted to do it. And so, I said, "I'm
not going to put my kids through that."
And so after I realized I wasn't going
to put them in public school, I actually
had put my daughter in private school
for about a year and a half. And mah was
very good. Private school is pretty
good. But what I noticed in private
school that, you know, there was a lot
of Muslim families that bring their kids
to school and the school itself was
great. They've got great teachers, great
stuff happening, but the parents
continue to not, you know, lead their
children in the right path at home. So
when the kids would come to school, they
would bring in whatever garbage they saw
on television. And so when I would see
six-year-olds bringing in makeup or, you
know, bringing in bad words, I was like,
"Oh my god, I put my kid into school so
that they can have a better education,
but why are they still learning stuff
that's not appropriate?" And I realized
that unfortunately some of the parents
were not paying attention to their
children. And so whatever they got at
home, they bought back to school and now
it was infecting the kids at school. And
so therefore I decided that
homeschooling was the best choice for
myself because I said eventually they're
going to be exposed to many things but
until then I want to expose them to the
best of the best of you know morals and
values and all that so they can make
better decisions and choices as they
grow older inshallah.
Now are there some great leaders that
some people know not only Muslims but
non-Muslims also that you can mention or
that you know about that were
homeschooled and they came out to be
some of the top leaders in this society?
Absolutely. There's Thomas Edison,
Alexander Graanbell, Orville Wright and
Wilbur Wright, Leonardo da Vinci, George
Washington, um Abraham Lincoln, Thomas
Jefferson, John Quincy Adams, I mean
John Madison, how many of these are
presidents alone that they were all
homeschooled. They were all
homeschooled. They were inventors. They
were, you know, I remember with Thomas
Edison, the teacher said that when he
went back home, they said that he's
dumb. They actually called him a bad
name and said that he's not capable for
education. and his mother decided to
step up to the plate and educate her
herself. And mah, you know, he he
invented electricity. So, we can't even
sit there and say that homeschooling
does not have the right resources and
not have the right intelligence because
with homeschooling, you let the child be
much more creative, much more
intelligent. There's no limitation of
how fast they can grow and how much they
could do.
We want the best for our children. We
have as Muslims those who have made that
conscious decision to submit to the
creator alone without any partners
co-equals the creator of the heavens and
the earth he has sent throughout time
his guidance throughout some of the
messengers Abraham Noah Moses Jesus
Christ and the last and final messenger
the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him
who came with the verbatim word of God
the Quran which is a living living
miracle to this day we want to live by
that system. We don't want to live
according to our lusts and desires
because we want to have peace not only
in this life but in the hereafter
because death is approaching. And one of
the continuous charities and one of the
best investments we know because when we
die, we leave everything behind. But if
you have a righteous child, that child
who is also submitting to the creator,
doing all the good wholesome things that
the creator has told us to do and being
a benefit to society and humanity,
then you continue on getting the
rewards. So we want to send them to the
right institutions. And we have heard
from some of the scholars. I had a
scholar on the show the other day, Dr.
Bal Phillips and I've heard this from
Shik Ysef Estus and others who have said
one compared it to spiritual suicide
sending your children to public school.
Another said that it was like flushing
your kid down the toilet. I I mean we
got to keep it real. What do you think
about this?
Absolutely. Facts are Eddie that 80% of
children who go to public school lose
their dean. They lose their religion. It
doesn't matter if they're Muslim,
Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu, they
lose their religion. 80% of kids. So
going into that thinking basically if
you're sending your child you already
know that you know I mean 80% of them
will not have it they will not have
their dean they will not even understand
it and I know this because you know
myself I look at my own family situation
we were raised in America since we were
six we did not have our faith growing up
we we know we fasted in the month of
Ramadan we prayed but we really lost our
dean because you know we didn't know any
better and we were in that environment
where no one practiced it because state
and God are separate in schools and so
We we really had no clue. And so coming
back, you know, I was 30 years old
coming to find my faith. And that's a
shame. It's really a shame. And I made
decisions and I've done things that I
don't think were appropriate. Whether
it's saying a bad word when I should
have never said it or whether it's, you
know, talking about someone when I
should have never done it. And so I did
not want my children raised the same
way. Like we talk about backbiting, we
talk about slandering, we talk about
what's right or wrong. And my kids have
to consciously like the other day we
were in the car. We were traveling and
my son said, "Oh, mom, I want to tell
you something." And I said, "Okay." And
then he said, "No, I'm not going to say
anything." And I said, "Why not?" He
said, "Because I think it might be
backbiting." I said, "Well, great.
Alhamdulillah, don't say it. If you even
think it's going to be backbiting, don't
say nothing." You know, and so we kind
of come into the conclusions of how do
you raise them with this high morale?
You know, if he hears something bad, you
know, he'll say, he'll walk away. Or if
they see something like when we go to
someone else's house, because obviously
we cannot control the TV everywhere,
right? And if someone's got their
television on and there's something bad
on, they'll lower their gaze. They're
like, "Okay, we can't look at this. This
isn't good for us." So, it's kind of
getting this deeper in morale and values
integrated in them and understanding why
we behave the way we do so that
inshallah when they're older, they can
continue with that path. Does that make
any sense?
Absolutely.
And that's really what I found the power
of homeschooling to be is you teaching
them the stuff that you really want to
teach them versus things that don't even
matter to them. And you know, there's a
lot of things that don't matter that
schools teach. And you're like, "Okay,
why do we care about Valentine's Day? We
don't even believe in it really. So why
do we care to teach our children and
waste a week making hearts and doing
things that are just not even part of
what we believe in?"
Absolutely. And I've come to know that
many Christians, non-Muslims, are seeing
the moral decline of the children in a
lot of the public institutions and
they're also starting to homeschool. Is
this
absolutely absolutely there's many many
Christian homeschoolers. There's many
Jewish homeschoolers, many parents who
want their kids to be raised with high
morale, high values, and to do the right
thing at the end of the day, you know,
to have that good personality to not,
you know, um, drink and smoke and do the
stuff that they also believe in that
it's very close to Islam, you know, and
so they continuously want to raise their
children the same way. And it's right
now they're saying about 10% of America
is homeschooling and it's a billion
dollar industry right now. 10% of and
it's increasing by the day because
people just really are noticing that
schools are not producing what they want
to produce. And there was a doctor I
mean I'm a scientist. I apologize.
There's a scientist who his wife was
also a scientist and she passed away and
he had six children. He decided to stay
home and work from home as a scientist
and homeschool all six of his children.
And it was phenomenal because they were
all raised with such high morals. They
got into college early. They learned to
self-educate themselves in so many ways.
They read the Bible every day in the
evening. So homeschooling has just been
a phenomenal thing in the way that
people are, you like I said, not wanting
to not only lose their faith but to have
a good life.
I was going towards Juma. Juma is the
Friday uh prayer that we make as
Muslims. And this program is for
everybody. And I'm sure those of our
non-Muslim
colleagues, friends, co-workers who are
listening who are our brothers in
humanity and we sincerely want the best
for for them. We want them to be our
brothers in faith, God willing. And I'm
sure that any sensible person can see
the rationale behind this because as I
was walking to Juma, there was a group
of young boys and they were coming from,
I believe, the high school. And what
turned my stomach upside down was the
foul language that they were using. It
was very bad. And these are some of the
things that kids pick up. If you're at
home and you're teaching your children
righteousness, but if they go out to a
whole institution that's not, and you
have what you mentioned early, the
backbiting, the swearing, cursing,
gangs,
drugs,
all sorts of mischief and evil. This is
going to eventually probably
rub off on the children, isn't it?
Absolutely. You know, the other day, um,
cuz my daughter has written the book
Things Every Kid Should Know: Drugs. And
the other day, you know, on the news,
there was a story about this three third
grader, third grader who was selling
drugs. And he was Yes, I saw that.
And it was just like my daughter's like,
"Mom, look at third grade." And I just
sat there at awe thinking, "Third grade?
You would never imagine as a parent."
And so it's just phenomenal the damages
that can happen out there right now with
what's going on out there with the, you
know, parents not in control really of
their situation, their kids. I mean, the
17-year-old kid took a gun and shot his
mom and dad because they took they took
his Nintendo game away. 14-year-old
committed suicide because their mom said
you can't watch TV. So you have to think
what is happening to our society and our
youth and what will we pay for later due
to not taking care of them early on. You
know there's a really good quote saying
an ounce of prevention is worth a pound
of cure, right? An ounce of prevention
is worth a pound of cure. And what
people look for is they don't take the
prevention. They don't take the stand,
you know, the steps before because they
either they don't think they can do it
or there's too difficult. But what
happens is when the problems arise at
the age of 16 and 18 for our youth, then
all of a sudden the parents are willing
to pay anything for the cure. But it's
almost too late. It's really almost too
late to take it make that happen because
you really have put so much damage into
those kids that it's hard for them to
change now. It's it's it takes it's
going to be only Allah subh really that
can cure them. And so you have to as a
parent think about this. When I when my
child turns 18, what do I want from
them? What do I expect from them? Do I
expect them to say I'm 18 and I'm
leaving and I don't care. I'm going to
do whatever I want. Which is what the
majority of children are saying
nowadays. This is exactly how they
think. They think I'm 18. I'm done. this
is I'm it's my life and they have no
clue their true purpose of life. They
have no clue about their dean. They have
no clue. I mean most of them don't even
know how to pray. It's it's just many
many damages out there
and also isn't bullying. You have a lot
of bullying and promiscuity that you
mentioned Valentine's and then this also
I mean as innocent as some people might
think it is the passing of love letters
and notes and and starting to form
relationships in this kind of way at an
early age and next thing you know all
you got to do is turn on Jerry Springer
and you got 9 10 11 year olds 12 year
olds pregnant.
Absolutely. this isn't promoting this
then
it is really really sad because it's now
exactly what you said it's if you're in
fifth grade fourth grade and people ask
you if you're a virgin and you say yes
it's like you are the worst of the worst
to be to be to be known to be clean and
pious and to be a good person is like a
bad thing now it's the other way around
it's like you are the best if you're not
part of that and um this young teenager
I was speaking to the other day was
telling me this true story about how
this guy wanted to go into the gang to
help his family, his mom and stuff. And
one of the, you know, notions of the
gang was you have to go in the middle of
the night, like 12:00, and follow some
woman, and then everyone rapes her,
beats her up to death, okay? And then
they shoot her, and this is how you get
into the gang. And I said, and this kid
was a teenager that was in it. Well,
unfortunately, he agreed to it. He went
through this. When he did that, at the
end, everyone like messed up this woman
really bad. She was screaming, crying.
And then they said, "Okay." He said,
"Well, let me just look at her before I
shoot her." And when they took the bag
off of her face, it was his mother.
Wow.
And he was so sad and they started
crying and that he fell off the
building. He died and so did his mother.
And for what? I said, you know, when
people they don't think about it where
they don't think it could be their
sister, it could be their mother that
this is happening to. So why are we
behaving this way? Why?
And we need to take the matter
seriously. And this is for everybody,
Muslim, non-Muslim. If you really want
the best for yourself and your family,
we need to think serious. Turn to the
one who's created us, who sent down the
guidance, and be sincere. It's out
there. We're not going to tell you and
force nothing upon you, but start to
within yourself want to change, and then
start to look for that that can help you
change for the better. That's all we're
saying. Tell us now a few more points.
We want to get people excited about
looking into this and taking the matter
more seriously. It's easy just to as as
they say have children but if you don't
plan properly then you plan to fail.
Absolutely. Absolutely. You know the one
of the things that we don't think about
often is like we think okay when we get
old our children will take care of us
right but if we don't take care of them
when they're young and we don't give
them the right guidance and we don't
give them the right information and we
don't nourish them and cherish them and
love them which the majority of society
no longer can do due to you know
everyone working two jobs and their kids
are in school and after school there's
after school programs and then they come
home late and there's no family time
really spent. there's no like um what is
it quality time spent and so due to that
if we don't do that how are we going to
expect them to take care of us when
we're older when we're aged and when we
no longer can take care of ourselves
they're going to say well you didn't do
anything for us this is exactly the
mentality what did you do for me that I
should take care of you now and so what
ends up happening is our we end up going
in the nursing homes just like we don't
want to so I tell the parents when
you're looking at your child you have to
look at them exactly like you said as an
investment there are investments in this
world for the hereafter. If we want
that, you know, benefit in when we die,
then we need to raise them to be able to
pray, to be able to recite Quran, to be
able to be pious and humble and be a
servant to Allah and to help all of
mankind. And if they cannot due to the
fact that we're so busy and we're so
integrated into our own lives, then why
would they even take care of us when
we're older? Why? Because we never
raised them that way.
Yes. Absolutely.
Yep. So now, okay, we talked about the
public institutions, but now there are
some Islamic schools, but the parents,
they drop off the children. They're
thinking a miracle is going to happen
overnight. But if you in your house are
not implementing the beautiful and
wonderful loving things that the creator
of the heavens and earth has told us to
do out of his mercy that will only
better our life, that'll bring us peace,
contentment, and happiness in this life
and paradise in the next. And next thing
you know, your child is listening and
watching TV and then you know the kind
of songs that they're singing out there.
I'll give I'll give you a taste. You
know there's lyrics like brush my teeth
with a bottle of Jack promoting how
drunk can you get? How bad can you
behave? And boys blowing up our phones,
drop topping playing our favorite CDs,
blowing up the parties. And this is
cool. And it's cool not to be a virgin.
And now these are things that are being
promoted through the media, through the
MTV
and through the different American idol
programs and everything else that are
being played through as Shayan a story
that was said once I heard a shake
mention it. He said that when Shayan the
devil comes in a house and he and he
sees the TVs all over and and and then
and it's more so what's being played on
the TVs, not the box itself. It's what's
coming in. He leaves and says, "My job
is done here."
Yeah. So now if we don't take this
seriously and then the kids are coming
into the Islamic schools, will they have
an influence on the other kids whose
parents are implementing Islam and
they're watching out for these
destructive things and then they send
them to the Islamic school, but then the
the the other kids, they picked up on
some of the bad behavior from their
house. They bring it home and now it
rubs off. Is this the case? Could this
happen also?
Absolutely. I've seen it many a times
and even though my children don't go to
private school, I have a lot of friends
whose children do go to private school
and one of the moms recently was telling
me that her daughter was getting bullied
in the private school by another girl
bullied. And I said, "Are you kidding
me? How can a Muslim bully a Muslim?"
You know, like you would never imagine
people of the same faith, people with
higher morals, higher values doing that.
And uh I just sat there really
astonished at what I was hearing and
just there's just so much going on
because the parents I mean like I said I
always say you know just because you
have the look doesn't mean everything
else is done. We need to clean ourselves
from the inside out and constantly be
working on ourselves and striving for
the sake of Allah to better ourselves.
And they're not. A lot of families have
neglected to understand that, you know,
they're thinking, "Oh, it's okay. My
child is just going to watch, for
example, Miley Cyrus or, you know, the
Cheetah Girls or Hannah Montana." But
even in shows like that on Disney
Channel where parents think it's okay.
There is so much happening that is not
okay. They're still using bad words.
They're still using, you know, girls and
boys liking each other at such young
ages where we wouldn't even imagine it.
I mean, eight, nine, 10. Are you kidding
me? Like, it's not ages we think about.
And so, parents thinking that because
their kids are young, maybe these shows
don't do it. And so, they don't even
watch the shows. Even cartoons such as
Spongebob uses profanity. I mean, it
might not be to the level that other
people, but it's enough for me to say, I
don't want my kids using that word.
That's a bad word. So my thing is the
parents have to take more responsibility
and more be ready to say okay inshallah
you know I'm going to do this but again
parents are too busy they're and I tell
the moms all the time I said we got to
hang up the phones we got to stop
watching it ourselves in order for our
children to learn and so I think that
they need to set higher goals in higher
standards in order for the private
schools to be useful for them because if
you can't do it yourself then you need
to help you know complement it and so
that way at home you're doing similar ly
with what you're sending them for
school, inshallah.
Absolutely. So, take out the R-rated
movies, unplug the cable, maybe have
some good stuff playing, Zach, Adam's
World. Are there some other substitutes
that are inspiring the children towards
righteousness and away from the bad
behavior that you recommend?
Well, you know, definitely what you
said, Adam's World, I highly recommend,
you know, Brother Eddie, the best thing
I recommend is getting your children to
read. I am a big believer in reading and
because reading makes them think and
become so creative and the way they take
a story is phenomenal. And I'll give you
an example. I started my children, my
two younger ones to start reading at
three and four. And so one day my
six-year-old, this was just about two
weeks ago, he came to me and he started
crying really bad. And I said, "Zafar,
what's wrong?" And he said, "Mama, the
book, the book." And I said, "What book?
What happened? Did it hit you?" He said,
"No, it didn't hit me." And he's like,
now I'm starting to cry because as a mom
I feel his pain. And I'm like, Zafar,
what's wrong? Tell me, Habibi, tell me.
He goes, I was reading Yallam's story
and how his brothers did that to him.
That was so mean. How can his brothers
do that to him? And he just sat there
and just in pain because of one of the
messengers of almighty Allah of almighty
God was went through this test of life
and he felt for him and he felt really
you know and I sat there and we talked
about it and I was telling him how all
of the messengers of Allah have faced so
many difficult tests and it's for us to
learn from and remember you know and
we're talking about it but had he not
been reading had he not sat down to pick
up that book he might have not
experienced that. We don't experience
the same emotions with everything. And
I'm, you know, like I said, I'm a good
I'm a believer for good education on
television or computers and stuff, but
books have been the most like ch
life-changing for me. And reading itself
and obviously it was the first thing
that was even told to the prophet
Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam, you
know, to read. And so my thing is if the
parents can get the kids to read more,
it's phenomenal cuz for myself, my
5-year-olds read over like,00 books
right now. My six-year-old's read over
16,700 books and Alia who's 10, she's
read over 2400 books right now. Wow. And
so
it affects them. It does affect them and
how they talk and their decisions and
they'll come discuss things and they'll
become more creative. They'll write
differently, you know, and so I think
books are just phenomenal. And I urge
every parent out there to give them good
books. Now there's bad books just like
bad TV and there's good books. The good
books can spark things in our children
like we wouldn't even imagine. And it's
it's unbelievable because I've seen it
with my kids. And I mean, if my
six-year-old can do it, mashallah, you
know, forget the other children. It's
they could do it.
Yes. With the help of the creator of the
heavens and earth, we can all do it. We
can all do what's best for us. Then
we'll have a better society and we will
inshallah have that peace and
satisfaction and happiness. Tell us
about we discussed the public schools
and some of the things that are going on
there. Very bad. We we turned it up a
notch. We talked about the Islamic
school. It's great, but we have to make
sure that we're implementing the dean,
the way of life of all the messengers of
God, Islam, that total complete
submission to the will of the creator of
the heavens and the earth in our homes
so that we don't now have a destructive
home and then we send them to the
Islamic school and then they bring the
destruction to the Islamic school. So,
we have to live this life 24/7. No
timeouts, no breaks.
And and now we we want to dwell into it.
We're going to have to do a part two,
but just in the remainder uh uh time
that we have, tell us about is it
difficult? Uh what do you do? Where do
you start? People think like, man, this
is just too much. It's overbearing. How
do I even begin with the homeschooling?
I'd say, you know, first is your
intention. It's your intention that you
want to give your children the best
education, the best knowledge, the best
information. I mean, there's going to be
areas like there's subjects that I'm not
100% great at and which is like the
Arabic language because I've never
learned it and all. So what I did was I
hired a teacher to come into my house
and she teaches my kids Arabic, Quran
and Islamic studies. So she'll go
through that. In Islamic studies I
usually do with them as well myself. But
the subjects that you're weak yet and
you can't and you know do yourself then
I would hire someone. Now if many
parents have money they can still hire a
really good teacher to even come home
and help with the you know other
subjects like English, math and other
skills as well. But the thing is it's in
your home. You're controlling what's
coming inside your home. you're letting
the teacher know what they could study.
You're getting the right books. There's
a lot of great curriculums out there um
for the you know secular studies as well
as Islamic studies and kind of going
into because there was you know I I have
to say one time I bought a curriculum
and in this curriculum my daughter it
was a second grade curriculum and it's
like talking about history but in the
history books unfortunately when it came
during the India Indian ter you know um
times there was a lot of naked people
and I was like my kids don't need to see
this. So you have to be very very
careful in what's even inside the
curriculums that are being sent to
homeschooling. So one of the websites I
really recommend if it's okay with you
if I can share that.
Yes. Yes.
It's at www.-duh.org
adha.org and they have really a great
Islamic curriculum there. I've loved it.
I've done it with my children. Um they
have taps books, workbooks, you know,
textbooks and just great stories and
information. I would highly recommend if
parents want to do the Islamic stuff
there. But with the non-Islamic stuff, I
just say, you know, there's Calvert
homeschooling curriculum, but just be
careful. I would go through the stuff
myself first to see, you know, if you
want to keep all of it or not. There's a
lot of things, like I said, I had to
take away due to the fact that I didn't
think it was appropriate. Um, you have
to, you know, be willing to be part of
that. And like I said, if it gets
difficult, you know, you get involved in
a homeschooling community where there's
other parents who are also homeschooling
and they're of different races and
religions, but really they're all very
supportive to each other in
homeschooling. You get to go on field
trips. You get to control so much more
of what's coming into your child's mind
and what's coming out of them. And also,
like I said, you know, there's the Quran
programs. You know, if you want your
children to be a habit, then inshallah,
there's so many different ways to go
about it. There's quranexplorerum.com
that they can practice. But quran
readading.com is a place where my
children get um Quran lessons from. So
there's different ways that you can go
about it. Once you're the most important
thing to do, brother Eddie, is to make
your intention first. If you make your
intention that this is something you
want to do and you want to give your
kids the highest level of education,
morale, and values, and then you make
that intention, then you start looking
around and inshallah, you'll see there's
so many other things. I also have a
website called muslimshomeschool.com.
That's muslimomeschool.com
and I have some resources there, some
books that are available, some different
programs, some um like I said, ebooks
and some videos they can watch, you
know, inshallah to give them a little
bit more strength. I have to tell the
parents out there, is it easy? No, it's
not easy and I will not even sugarcoat
it. However, it is very rewarding. Do I
regret it? Absolutely not. I think it's
the best decision I've made since I've
gotten closer to Allah because I see the
way my children are, the way they
behave, the way they're loving, the way
they want to pray and recite Quran. My
daughter had been wanting an iPod for a
long time. And so finally I told my
husband cuz she's like, "Mom, please
give me the iPod. I just want Quran. I
don't want anything else." So finally I
told my husband and he fixed it up and
on the way to New York like just last
week, she was like for like two hours
just reciting Quran. Mashallah. And it
was, you know, you you you you you're
just going to see the benefits so much.
It's unbelievable. And I highly
recommend it. I think it's the best
decision I've made.
Just gives chills to the believer to
hear such wonderful news about the child
who's reciting the verbatim word of God,
the Quran, and is a wave from all the
other negative things that are out
there. Does this transfer over? Some
people might ask the homeschooling, the
crediting, and does it transfer over to
the criteria set by the state?
Absolutely. Absolutely. There's many
ways you can get the diploma. You can
get them a high school diploma even
while you're homeschooling. They just
have to take a couple of classes and
tests at the end. It's very simple, very
easy. And beyond that, most of the best
universities and colleges, they actually
go to recruit homeschoolers because they
know that homeschoolers are very
well-rounded. They're very intelligent.
They are um self-sufficient in the sense
of they go out there and they're getting
stuff done. They don't have to be babyed
and begged and because they're, you
know, they're in an environment where
that if they don't get it done, then it
doesn't happen. So, they're much more
independent in their intelligence and
studying and they're more um creative.
Again, you know, creativity is very,
very important because, you know,
everyone's always looking for, are you
creative? Are you becoming a leader or a
follower? And homeschooling students,
most of them are leaders because they're
out there, you know, getting it done for
themselves. They they have to be
independent thinkers. And so, um,
universities are very, very fond of
that. And when you graduate early,
because with homeschooling, you can also
graduate early because you get much more
done in a short amount of time. You also
get better scholarships. And so, there's
a lot of really great benefits to it. I
definitely they can get a high school
diploma and all that. And I'm actually
working on doing a curriculum inshallah
in the future. It's just right now it's
been quite busy, but in a couple of
years I'll probably put something
together where it makes it easier for
parents to just follow a set of
curriculums and then how they can get
their diploma and all that. Inshallah.
Few more points. Few more points is very
exciting. At what age should they start?
What age? You're coming up 2, three
years old. What age do you start doing
this? I mean, they've been listening to
the Quran. They've been trying to look
at the the different books with the
pictures, stories of the prophets. Is
this good enough for now? But what at
what age do you get the curriculum and
and and where do you where do you start
like the formal education?
I'd say at 2 years old I would start
that's what I did with my youngest. At 2
years old he started actually tracing
letters. By 3 years old I got him into
reading. He started reading and in 6
months he was reading at a six-year-old
level. By four years old he was reading
at an 8-year-old level. Mashallah. So I
would say at two if you can start slowly
because they're bored and they're
willing to do things. Kids are very very
you know part of their environment. If
you give them the right environment they
will grow. They will just flourish
mashallah. So I would say starting at
that age and then just kind of reading
them the stories, reading them the books
until when you see that three they can
start reading themselves every day.
Continue reading with them and then
start preschool. My kids are all about
three grades ahead right now. Mallah.
So, my son who just turned five, he's
supposed to be starting kindergarten in
the fall and he is actually starting
third grade in about a month. Um, my and
he's the most ahead because he started a
little bit earlier. My son who's 6 years
old is supposed to be finishing first
grade. He's going to be starting fourth
grade in about a month. And my daughter
who's supposed to be finishing up fourth
grade is starting seventh grade. So,
they're all advanced in the sense
they're just, you know, it's one-on-one
attention. It's much more time for
instead of 30 to1 to answer questions,
you get much more questions answered
quicker. they have much more time to
study and think and contemplate. So I
would say if you can start at two to
just get them going to writing and you
know tracing by three they can start
reading and inshallah and just start
with their prek and K and you'll see
that they're just going to flourish
themselves. Mashallah
the books for the two year olds and
three-year-olds are they at this website
that you recommended?
Yes, absolutely. They're in this
website, Ada. They have like a little
pre-K thing. They also have the ABCs and
the colors. And so they're doing a
little bit complimenting Arabic and
Islamic studies. Islamic studies and um
secular studies. So they're teaching
both sides.
That's at the ad- duha.org. They got
both. They got both there.
Yes. Yeah.
So they have the uh books there and a
few more. Just a few more. We're almost
out of time. tell us is the argument
that some might say homeschooling you're
isolating the kid. He needs to know
what's permissible, what's not. So being
around other kids, it's like he can
experience and then come back home and
then you can teach, you can admonish,
you can tell him, okay, this is haram,
not permissible, this is and then
they'll have more questions. They won't
be so isolated. Have you got this
argument? How do you answer it?
Yes, absolutely. All the time I get the
whole socialization thing. I said, "My
kids are more socialized than you can
imagine." Um, my daughter, Mashallah,
who is nine, she spoke in front of a
school in front of 250 kids, and she did
a whole PowerPoint that she put
together, and the principal of the
school came up to me afterwards and
said, "I wish that my ninth graders
could do what your nine-year-old did."
And so, they're very much more
socialized, more because they have more
confidence, they have more um
self-esteem, and they know that they're
okay. And then I'll tell you a really
quick story because I want to really
show the parents that, you know, you got
to open your mind to what can be
happening. I think the opposite. I think
if you give them all the great stuff
that inshallah when they're out there
being attacked or being, you know, in
the defensive form, they can handle
themselves better. Well, what happened
about a year ago, I'd say we were in an
event, my daughter and I, and there was
a lot of non-Muslim media there, and we
were actually looking to get into the
media with this different book that I
had written. And one of the media people
came up to my daughter, and she said,
"Does your mom and dad force you to wear
that?" And my daughter looked at her,
and she was talking about the hijab cuz
all your dresses in that hijab. And Alia
said, "No." And as soon as she said
that, I started walking away from her. I
wanted her to take care of this question
herself and answer it. Whatever came out
of it would come out. I don't want
anyone to think I was forcing her into
anything. So, I started walking away,
she looked at me and I was like, "You
can handle it, you know." So, I walked
away and as I'm on the other side of the
room, you know, the lady looks at her
and she goes, "Then why do you wear it?"
And Alia looked at her and she goes,
"Well, do you obey your parents?" And
the lady said, "Well, sort of. I did
when I was younger, but now I'm older,
so I don't really have to." She goes,
"Okay, well, let me ask you another
question." She said, "Do you obey the
government? I mean, do you drink and
drive? Do you speed when you're not
supposed to?" And the lady said, "Well,
no, not really cuz I'll get a ticket or
I'll get fined and you know, so I have
to try to obey the government." And Alia
said, "Well, if you can obey your
parents and you can obey the government,
then why wouldn't I obey my creator who
created me who gave me two eyes, my
sensibility, my knowledge, my why would
I obey him by listening to him? This is
something he has asked and I'm willing
to do it to obey him." And I was on the
other side of the room and I was like, I
said she handled herself. So by giving
them the right information and the right
knowledge, they're able to handle
themselves when they're in situations
and people are trying to bring them down
instead of feeling like they don't have
the confidence or the ability. They do
have it. They know how to answer the
questions. They know what to say. So I
think that parents will be able to give
them much more self-esteem and
confidence versus, you know, being out
there in the other side where now
they're ashamed to talk about their
parents. They're ashamed or embarrassed
to talk about the stuff that they should
not be.
Absolutely, sister. This is an
inspiration to us all. What wonderful
news. When we hear this, may the creator
continue to bless you and your family.
Give us a
way that the viewers, they can visit to
get some of your books.
Okay. Well, they definitely can go on
Muslimomeschool.com
and they, like I said, they can get more
information. There's also if they email
us, my assistant will be able to send a
book. It's called like the
well-roundedness of a child. It's a
ebook that a brother wrote and it's
phenomenal. Mashallah. She'll email that
to them as well. But at
Muslimsomeschool.com they there's all of
my books are out there and they can see
and inshallah I am actually looking to
write finish I've started writing it but
I've just been so busy but a book called
the power of homeschooling and it's
really going to be all based on
homeschooling and the power of it and
how parents can actually initiate and
started inshallah take it to the next
level.
Okay. So we we've discussed the the as
we wrap it up and close the public
schooling definitely something you want
to stay away from. Islamic schools, you
have to just be in tune with the other
family members to make sure that the
other kids whose family and we want them
and and we encourage them to be more in
the dean. So then they're will have good
behavior taught at the Islamic school
and they'll pick it up at home too. And
it's not where the the child at home at
that age of 10, 11, nine, they take off
the hijab at home, but then they come
because they're the mother's not wearing
it and then they come home. It's like a
developing a split personality.
Yeah. So, advice to those parents and
just parents in general who want the
best for themelves and their family.
The best advice I can give for a parent
is saying lead by example. You're the
parent. You have to control your tongue.
Make sure you're not backbiting in front
of your children. Make sure you're not
watching the wrong stuff. Make sure
you're not listening to the wrong stuff.
And make sure that you dress yourself
appropriately. If you cannot do those
things, then your child will follow in
your footsteps no matter what school
system you send them to. Unfortunately,
you're the first example for them and
you need to be the best example, which
means you constantly need to work on
yourself first. You know, when I make my
mistakes, I'll sit there and I'll tell
my kids, "Okay, look, I made a mistake
here. I'm sorry. I apologize. It's
because of this or I didn't know." And
I'll approach them so they understand
that I'm human and I make my mistakes.
Not that I'm any better, but that I'm
also working on fixing myself. And I
think the parents need to remember that
we are their examples. We are their
primary role models. And if we're not
doing the talk and we're sending them
and say, "Okay, I want you to be a h of
Quran." Yet the parents don't recite
Quran at all. The kids are going to be
like, "Then why should I do it?" So you
need to be in that same position that
you want your children to be in. And so
it's very very important to be congruent
on everything to be on the same, you
know, the same path.
Absolutely. Great advice. And may we all
may Allah help us the creator to get
this compulsion to do things the right
way. We want to invite you back so we
can cover more of the details on some of
the steps that you took and we'll dwell
in more of the specifics and you can
give us more of the ways that you have
implemented that have helped to produce
the children that you have who are up a
step a few levels above everybody. This
is amazing. So would you be willing to
come back and discuss more of this in
depth?
Inshallah. Absolutely.
God willing. Inshallah. Thank you very
much. May the creator of the heavens and
the earth reward you and inshallah we'll
see you back next time.
The peace be unto you.
Pure holy peace.
Worship your holy peace.