Alam alaikum. Greetings of peace. How
are you guys doing? Guess what? I got
some Edwa dates. Have you ever heard of
Edwa dates? And I got the man next to me
on the left. Thank you for the Edwwarda
dates. Salamkum. How you doing, Mr.
Brown?
Hi. How you been?
Alhamdulillah.
Thanks for the edge dates.
Yeah, my pleasure.
Some people don't know. Yeah. So, how
you been?
Don't forget the Zamzam water, man.
The Zamzam water. Yes. And the miswalks.
Yeah. There you go.
You know what our friends for? Thank you
so much.
How you been, Medina? Alhamdulillah.
How are things in Medina?
Uh things are good and I haven't figured
out a way to get younger, but uh
otherwise doing okay.
Good. Alhamdulillah.
Alhamdulillah.
Uh do you get a chance now, you know,
the climate here it's um uh is it
reaching you Trump and all the politics
and does it reach that end of the world?
Sure. And we're just kind of waiting to
see how that works out.
Yeah. So these are the kind of things
that we're dealing with. You had not too
long ago you had in Medina
the holiest city in the world. I think
it was during the holiest month. You
were there. You know what I'm talking
about?
Medina or Mecca?
Mecca. No, it it was in Medina. No, it
was in Medina. The explosion that
happened.
Oh, are you telling me about during
Ramadan?
Yeah, during Ramadan.
Yeah. Um, my understanding is I was
fairly close to it when it happened.
Yeah.
Can you tell us because uh that's
something we're dealing with here.
people always linking back des this
extreme radical group and people who
really don't know anything about Islam
but this is just you know to show like
on the holiest month of the year during
Ramadan during the blessed month you
know that in Medina this was it a
tribute this group had actually what
what tell us what what was a little bit
because you were there you live there
tell us fill us in on what what happened
I mean actually uh I was down at the
mastan Nabui when it happened. Um, but
quite frankly, aside from that, I really
don't know the details except for what
is in the news. Um, the other thing is,
now I hate to kind of cop out on you
here, but the bottom line is that I just
am completely apolitical. I don't
discuss, you know, these issues. I don't
make fatwa. And um, and I just I just
stick to my domain of interest. and some
people say expertise which is
comparative religion and um you know the
anti- atheist da
when we get to there tell us for the
people who are tuning in a lot of times
they get turned out because they keep
associating so I'll just hit you with
this violence with Islam and they can't
get past that so before we can even get
to a lot of these commonalities and
clearing these other miscon comparative
religion some people keep thinking nah I
don't want to turn off these Muslims are
all terrorists you know ISIS they what
do you say about that.
Sure. I mean, well, first of all, I
mean, you will always have extremists. I
mean, extremists exist in all religions.
Number one. Number two, uh, study on the
acts of terrorism, the number of acts of
terrorism and the number of people who
were killed from acts of terrorism in
the United States over the past I forget
whatever number of years it was, but uh,
Islam was not the top of the list. I
mean the top of the list were actually
if I remember correctly it was uh now I
might be a little hazy on the details
but I think it was right-wingwing
extremists you know basically actually
fundamentalist Christians and uh and uh
you know this is the thing that's just
kind of annoying to us as Muslims is
that uh any Muslim does anything and
he's his religion is mentioned you know
I mean he commits a any kind of a crime
time and it's like you know this Muslim
did that but you know any Christian does
anything serial killing a a schoolyard
shooting uh you know anything like that
and they put in totally different terms
they say oh he went postal or you know
the guy was psychologically disturbed or
whatever and they never mention the
religion you know I mean when's the last
time you ever heard you know Christian
extremist Christian terrorist or
something like this never and uh so
there's there does appear to be this
this strong bias in the media uh to I
mean I feel really to demonize Islam and
to make Christianity just sort of sweep
sweep Christianity and Judaism's
problems under the carpet. You know, you
never again Buddhists, you never hear of
Buddhist terrorists, but look at what's
going on Buddhist terrorism. But look at
what's going on in in Myamar and look
look what's going on with the uh you
know the genocide the genocide that that
Buddhists are are committing in in the
Far East, you know, and yet you never
hear this as you know Buddhist
terrorism. So, you know, there's there's
a attempt on the media to polarize
things which I'm definitely not
comfortable with and it it does seem
grossly prejuditial.
Yeah, we we've done we've answered these
questions on many previous episodes. We
won't spend too much time on it. Go
ahead. What were you going to Well, by
the way, I do want to say something and
it is one of my sort of pet peeves is
that um you know I think all of this I
mean not all but you know 90ome percent
95 98% really comes from 9/11.
I mean, I was Muslim before 9/11 and I'm
Muslim now and and you know,
alhamdulillah, by the grace of Allah,
but I saw the transition between how
Americans thought and treated Muslims
before 9/11 and after. And I really feel
that was kind of the defining moment.
Before 911, there was still some media
bias. I mean there was quite a lot of
media bias but then when 9/11 happened
it just ramped things up tremendously.
Okay. And this is one a pet peeve I have
because number one okay if it was
Muslims who carried out the atrocity of
9/11. It was a crime. The Muslim world
recognizes it as a crime and the Muslim
world is trying to send this message to
the west to the developed countries
basically saying look this was a crime
those are criminals they don't represent
our understanding of Islam they don't
understand our they don't represent you
know our values they don't repres
represent our morality or our religious
values okay so don't try to to to to say
that this is, you know, is Islam. This
was the act of a criminal. No different
from the act of a criminal of any other
denomination or religion in the world.
Okay, that's number one. But number two
is uh you know there's been this growing
movement that questions brand new poll
that show that more and more Americans
are rethinking what happened on 9/11 and
increasingly more people are saying they
do not believe the government's version
of events.
You know questions where uh or how 9/11
actually happened
911 and candidly wouldn't only fringe
people still question what happened on
911? Well, perhaps not. Today, we're
going to release to you results of a
brand new poll that show that more and
more Americans are rethinking what
happened on 911.
And I mean, for example, so there are
all kinds of reasons. We thought we were
set up to fail. We got started late. We
had a very short time frame. Indeed, we
had to get it extended. Uh we did not
have enough money. They were afraid we
were going to hang somebody.
that we would point the finger.
Lee and I write in our book that um we
think the commission in many ways was
set up to fail because we had um not
enough money.
We didn't have enough time.
We've been appointed by the most
partisan people in Washington.
Um
there's an e excellent excellent expose
on um on YouTube or at least it used to
be on YouTube called 911 mysteries
demolitions.
It's an hour and a half video you can
watch or you can purchase. Uh I think
the last time I looked for it, you
actually had to go to amazon.com to buy
it. I mean the just the best money
you'll ever spend in researching this
topic. Okay.
If you can watch that video and not have
your convictions changed regarding how
911 happened, then you just kind of you
need to get an EEG, you know, an EEG, an
electrophiloggram, something to check
your brain waves. I mean, if you can
watch that that documentary and walk
away with the conviction that that you
came in with, something's just wrong.
Mhm. And and and so I just have to say
that this is just the plug I've got I've
got to give is stop demonizing not just
Islam but stop demonizing any group. We
are living in a time and we are living
in a culture that loves to hate or needs
to hate. Okay? I mean as long as I have
been alive and for a lot of time before
the west or the developed countries has
always been demonizing a group. I mean
if it wasn't like the only good Indian
is a dead Indian. You know you you you
come forward into World War II where you
know the Germans were krauts and then
you know the Korean War where the where
the Koreans were the gooks and then into
the Vietnamese war where the you know
they weren't Vietnamese. No, no, they
were Charlie or Slants or something like
this, you know, and you know, every
different person is given a name that is
is dehumanizing them. Okay, you're not,
you know, you're not killing, you know,
you're not killing a person, you're
killing a crowd. World War II, you know,
you know, you're not killing a a North
Korean, you're killing a [\h__\h] you know,
you know, an ugly word, you know, you're
not you're not killing a Vietnamese,
you're killing a slant. I mean, where
does this ugliness come from? But this
is it's a process of basically
programming a people to see another
people as as something different from
what they are. And every single time,
every single time after the massacre,
you know, after the dust settles, we
turn around and we start realizing that
we're rubbing shoulders with these
people and they're okay.
You know, the Indians that we massacred,
the American Indians that we massacred,
we now go and visit their re their
reservations. We enjoy their art. We
enjoy their food. We see the beauty of
their customs and the gentleness of
their natures after World War II. The,
you know, there are all these touching
stories of soldiers who were united with
their counterparts, you know, the the
American, you know, the American uh
soldier who was uh interned in a prison
of war camp and uh suffered horribly
during his internment and da da da da.
and uh later after the war is united
with his captors and they both just
realize we were we were on different
sides of the equation and we're both
okay, you know. Or the one who was shot
down by another pilot or or uh you know
was
you know intimately involved in the
struggle of life and death and the
struggle of the war against another
counterpart with which they were united
later and you know later and they just
realized you know I mean we're all
human. Mhm.
You know, I mean, the Germans in this
country, the Japanese in this country,
where' they come from? The same
countries that we were fighting. And
what do we think about them now?
I mean, I mean, sushi, you know, I mean,
everybody knows knows a Japanese person
if nothing else, just from our our food
culture. And and you know we we found
that the people that we were killing
before we found that the people that we
were fighting before on the basis of
ideology who we thought were less than
human they're okay.
Yeah.
After the Vietnam War I mean you
couldn't go into a convenience store in
America except you had a high chance
that you're going to be doing business
with the Vietnamese.
Mhm.
And and they were okay. And shock of
shocks, you know. I mean they're just
like us. They they just want to live
life and and you know have a peaceful
existence and so on and so forth.
That's the the power of the human
connection. Huh.
I'm just saying look I'm just saying whe
whether you're talking about the you
know the forces that we were at war with
in World War II whe whether you're
talking about you know Mussolini's Italy
in uh you know in that period or whether
you're talking about the you know the
Nazi Germans or whether you're talking
about the Japanese. I'm talking about,
you know, Koreans during the Korean War,
the Vietnamese,
it it just doesn't matter what pool you
look at.
I mean, once you started, once these
people were conquered and we found
ourselves, you know, they immigrated and
we found ourselves living next to them,
we found all of our preconceptions
dispelled. We found that we had been
lied to. We found that we had been
deceived. And we found that it was all
for the purpose
of an agenda that was beyond us. Okay.
So when are we going to wake up? When
are when are we going to open our minds
and recognize that we are being misled
for a purpose for an agenda?
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Brown. Before I get to my next question,
you brought up 911 and obviously that
was a catalyst to where we are today.
Have you heard of? It's interesting.
These aren't just lay people, but
somewhat around 30
architects and engineers have cited
evidence proving that the buildings were
brought down to control demolition.
Thousand
architects, engineers, scientists,
politicians, former presidential
candidates.
It took some kind of consciousness
raising on my part before I was willing
to look at the the possibilities. And
really, you need to go where the
evidence leads.
As an engineer, and I have three degrees
in engineering, I signed that petition
for architects and engineers for 9/11
truth some time ago because the American
people absolutely need the truth of
9/11.
Look at the evidence. In fact, I'll say
this very categorically. Any reasonable
person who looks at the evidence that's
been brought forward has got to come
away with the feeling that something has
to be done. A real investigation has to
be put forward.
We're all demanding who signed a
petition to reopen the investigation of
9. Have you heard of these architects
and engineers for 9/11 truth?
Oh, sure. And you know, one of the
things that I find very very uh striking
about this is that is not only the
collection of experts in their fields
who are looking at the evidence, looking
at the body of the evidence and saying,
you know, the official story. No, that
just doesn't do it. I mean, that's, you
know, we we've got to re-examine this
and and uh come to a more sensible
conclusion. I mean look 9/11 did not you
know the the official story it did not
even answer how building number seven
came down okay the greatest mystery of
9/11 how does a complete building come
down wasn't wasn't touched by the air
wasn't hit by the airplanes okay had a
couple of minor little fires of it
inside it from debris that you know uh
was scattered into it and you just look
at it and just one moment it drops to
the ground in the perfect picture of
controlled demolitions. Okay. Now, I'm
I'm just saying that I'm not the only
one who's looked at that and just said,
"Man, something's wrong." But you're
just saying something's wrong. You're
you're you're observing. You're you're
questioning. But now, why is it why is
it when you question, you're not making
up some some conspiracy? But they call
you conspiracy theorist. As soon as you
question like when you hear the firemen,
they said,
"Who that popping out?" It was like it
was if if they had detonated as if they
were planned to take down a building.
Look, it it was a controlled demonition.
You're just asking questions. You're not
coming up with a theory. What happened?
You're just asking questions. Why did
they put you in this box? Conspiracy
theorist.
The definition of a conspiracy is when
two or more people acting in concert
knowingly commit an offense or or or a
crime. All right? A misdemeanor or a
felony. An offense. That is the
definition of a conspiracy. Was this a
conspiracy? Absolutely. Yes, it was. And
those people need to go to jail for
treason.
You can't even ask a question.
Yeah. But
you're just supposed to accept what's
been told to you. Accept this official
story. Mainstream. Done. Don't ask
anymore.
As I said, I had 32 years there and I
was also a trained fire marshal. A fire
marshal is considered an expert witness
in court. He's like a a forensic
detective. He has the power to
administer the oath, take testimony, and
issue a subpoena. That's a lot of power.
It was there was an explosion. The
building did come down in complete
classical uh control demolition. It came
down on its own footprint. There's no
question about that. As a matter of
fact, uh Richard Gage from Architects
and Engineers has completely handled
that from his area of expertise.
Never in the history of the world, never
in the history of high-rise skyscrapers
has ever a uh skyscraper ever come down
because of fire. And I'm talking massive
fire. And you know the reason why?
Because fire does not burn by itself hot
enough to compromise and melt steel.
What we had in the World Trade Center
and I saw myself was molten lavaike
pockets of molten steel. All right. I
spent the night on the pile searching
for bodies and I saw that with my own
eyes. So, who are you going to believe?
Are you going to believe a bunch of
government bureaucrats or my fellow
brothers which I lost 343 guys that day?
Right. And and and you you start talking
like this and they say, "Oh, that's
conspiratorial thinking." As if there's
no such thing as conspiracy. As if
conspiracy don't happen. Conspiracies
don't happen. You know, as as if America
does not have excites. Did did not
commit black flag operations. Did not
have uh what is it called? Extraordinary
rendition. You know, did not have the
CIA with a box of dirty tricks overseas
and so on and so forth, you know. I I
mean just it's just it's just a way of
making you look bad or silent s
silencing you for having an open mind.
But one of the things that is most
convincing to me is that is the body of
you know the group of people who lost
loved ones in 9/11 who are demanding a
reinvestigation because they don't
accept members the official. Yeah. The
family members. I'm a family member
trying to find out the answers to the
murder of 3,000 plus people.
The bottom line is that it needs to be
investigated properly.
[Music]
Please look at architects and engineers.
People all around the world, scientists
all around the world are questioning
this and there's some deep deep
explaining to do.
We will never heal. This country will
never ever ever forget that day. We have
to demand a new investigation. I want
justice here.
Because they don't accept the official
explanation and that many of them are
the ones who are, you know, they are the
ones who are saying that it was an
inside job. Now, I I'm not I'm not going
to say what my viewpoint on this is. I
am just going to say that my message to
people is don't close your mind, open
your mind.
And in the same way that we are asking
for a re-examination of the evidence,
people out there should re-examine the
evidence themselves. So they should be
listening to I mean you've you've got
eminent experts in their fields who are
demanding a re-examination of the
evidence. You have
as an engineer and I have three degrees
in engineering. I signed that petition
for architects and engineers for 9/11
truth some time ago because the American
people absolutely need the truth of
9/11.
You know, really, really great
documentaries like this one I mentioned,
911 mysteries demolitions. It's 911
mysteries like slashdemolitions. Okay.
Um and uh what's it going to take to to
watch it? You know, one of the things
that I find really disturbing about this
though is that 9/11 is like it people
have views on it that approach the level
of religious zeal. You know, when you
talk about when you talk about a
religion or when you talk about
religious views, a lot of people there
it's just clear that their minds are
closed and you just can't talk to them
because if you say anything that is
contrary to to their way of looking at
things, they they don't want to hear it.
It's like no, no, no, it can't be. It
can't be. No, no, no, no, no. You know,
and then they express their view. They
keep repeating their view, you know, you
know, it's this way, it's this way, it's
this way. And
you know, um, you know, the evidence
points over here and or you or, you
know, you point out the contradictions
to them or you point out how they're
basically, you know, not following the
path of logic or, you know, they're not
many times they're not even following
the teachings of their own book, you
know, and when it comes to 9/11, it's
the same way. They just say, "No, no,
no, no." You know, it's like the, you
know, the three monkeys with their hands
over their eyes, ears, and and uh what
is it now? Eyes, ears, and mouth. Yeah.
You know, except except they I I wish
they would put their hand over their
mouth, but they don't. That's the That's
the one hand they keep way They keep
talking, but with their eyes closed and
their ears closed, just kind of No, no,
no, Muslims are bad. No, this was
Islamic terrorism. No, no, no. you know,
you know, and and they're not willing to
examine the evidence and consider the
possibility
that this is all the part of a greater
agenda and but but at the very least
just consider the possibility that like
I said, Muslims and Islam is not, you
know, is not as bad as how it's being
portrayed. Why is our news media foaming
at the mouth when it comes to stories
about Islamic terrorists but not white
guy terrorists?
It's not cuz Muslims are a bigger
threat. In fact, between 1980 and 2005,
94% of all the attempted or successful
terrorist attacks on US soil were not
carried out by Islamic radicals, but
instead by non-Muslims, mostly white
guys.
So then why the obsession?
Islam privates killing of innocent human
beings. Human life is precious
in this country.
Do they blow people up?
Yes. So Christians every day people walk
into post office. I mean people walk
into post offices. They walk into
schools. That's what Coline is. I mean I
could do this all day long. There's so
there are so many more examples of
Christians and I happen to be a
Christian. That's back to this notion of
your idealizing Christianity in my mind
to my read. There's so many more
examples of Christians who do that than
you could ever give me examples of
Muslims who have done that inside this
country where you live and work. You
know, but we we can say clearly we can
close the door that Islam
has nothing doesn't justify acts like
this. Even at the end of the day, if
some crazy deranged individual or group
of individuals went and killed innocent
people, which by the way Muslims,
hundreds have died in this. This has
nothing to do with Islam. Islam condemns
this. There is no justification for it.
This is clear. This is something that
there's no shadow of a doubt about that.
Now, we're talking about even
questioning it further, but it seems
like this is something that is a tool
that's used to demonize the whole way of
life of Islam.
Well, as I said, I mean, you've heard my
viewpoint. First of all, I just I want
to correct myself on something. I said,
you know, something about how um you
know, people should conclude that Islam
is not as bad as it's being portrayed. I
I mean actually for myself as a Muslim I
have to just say that you know I would
hope people would conclude that that
Islam is not bad period you know I mean
the more the more you examine Islam you
know and anybody I've known who's
examined Islam with an open mind it just
starts to understand start to realize
that everything's upside down everything
is the opposite of how how they were
trained to believe you know that it's
actually it's it's a beautiful religion
it is consistent with the continuity in
the chain of revelation from the
previous prophets. It clarifies previous
revelation and it brings us to a
conclusion of the chain of revelation
from the ab from Abraham to Ishmael and
Isaac to Moses to Jesus to Muhammad. You
know there is there's a chain of
revelation there. And if you you know if
you are on a spiritual spiritual search
and looking for the completion of
revelation you have to look for what?
You have to look for the three prophets
that the old testament uh predicted.
John the Baptist and Jesus Christ are
one and two. And then you have to look
for the final prophet. the third and
final prophet that was predicted not
only in the Old Testament but also in
the words of Jesus predicting a third
prophet who would come and another
pariclete you know who would basically
clarify okay and and that third prophet
is the prophet Muhammad so now I'm just
I'm just saying okay I'm just saying
that you know Islam is a religion that
more people you know who open their
hearts and open their minds and look at
it from an open perspective just feel
that they've been lied to. You know,
they they say, you know, I always these
I always thought these people were bad.
I always thought this was religion was
bad. But but you know, I mean, actually,
there's so much beauty here and this is
and this conforms with what I already
believed and this conforms with, you
know, the the revelation that, you know,
I studied before and uh and and this
clarifies it and and now I understand.
So, I'm, you know, look, I'm just, you
know, we we live in a funny time.
People need that to get their
information in postcard format. you
know, if you can't fit it into what is
it 140ome characters in a tweet, you
know, I mean, if if you can't if you
can't tweet it, uh if if you can't if
you can't uh encapsulate it in a very
very brief message that conforms to
people's sort of shortened attention
span in this time, it's very hard for
people to to engage in the in an
intellectual debate.
What What about you? There was a
gentleman and there's a lot of cases
like this where they get fed a lot of
this false information, false fears that
oh you're going over to Jedda or you're
going over to that side of the world.
You actually live in that you were a
former major in the uh US Navy. Is that
right?
Air Force.
Air Force, I'm sorry. And you you've
been living over you accepted this way
of life. You used to be an atheist
trying hard to be a a Christian. We have
your story from the past. But many
people who've been fed these lies, they
actually go over there and they
experience the love and hospitality. You
must have experienced it because you've
been living there for how long now? And
tell us about this, your experiences
there.
17 years. And by the way, my my daughter
off camera is showing me little signs
saying, "It's not a tweet, you twit,
it's a tweet." So, but that shows that
shows you how much attention I give to
social media. I I feel social media is
not is not the pathway to intelligent
discourse. It's, you know, social media
gives you a postcard version at best for
people with extremely shortened
attention spans. I mean, if I mean, come
on. If you're going to engage in the
debate, if you are going to hang your
afterlife on this, you really cannot
take the time to read a book, you really
cannot take the time to, you know, to
investigate in a serious way. I mean,
this is your afterlife. You've got
you've got 70 years to figure it out,
but you or 60 years or 80 years or for
some people, you know, they die even
younger. But but it this is going to be
your eternity and you cannot devote a
little time for it. You you can't give
up on a movie one night or a TV show the
next or whatever to to actually cram for
the final exam. I mean, come on. Really?
Mhm. I mean, if that's what you die
upon, you almost kind of deserve it
because you've been ignoring the one who
created you and put you on this earth
for the purpose of knowing him and
serving and worshiping him,
you know, and you've just totally
ignored it. You've just blown it off.
It's like
playing Xbox your whole life.
Yeah. I mean, you know, it's just it's
ungrateful. It's ungrateful and it's
irresponsible.
Yeah. Now, your experience, how you
you've been living there. have this
gentleman, one in particular, I forgot
his name. They had him on I think Huda
TV and American Christian and he was
told like these guys are going to if you
go over there you might you know have
your head cut off. Oh yeah.
And then he he goes there and again he
said man they were so hospitable loving
and he actually he was a godfearing
Christian. He said you know God he
basically in in in summary was asking
just guide me God whatever you know to
the truth. He ended up accepting Islam.
We'll show a little clip here. my
friends at the US Naval Academy in
Annapolis, Maryland. They said, "Do you
know what you're doing? You're putting
yourself in harm's way. You're going to
get kidnapped. Somebody's going to cut
your throat." So, when I arrived in
Saudi Arabia, I was scared to death. Um,
I didn't know quite what to expect, but
I when I left the United States, I said,
"God, uh, my mind is open. I don't know
what is Islam." Subhan Allah.
I've never been in an Islamic country
before. and I don't know about the
prophet Muhammad peace be upon him but
show me what is truth and what is not
truth
and uh I came with an open mind and I
looking and looking nothing happened
people were coming out of their houses
when they saw me
inviting me into their homes for tea and
coffee the exact opposite
incredible this was not what I expected
wow
I had been in countries all over the
world I studied in Taiwan in Russia and
different places, but never in my life
have I been in any country that
respected me as much as an American and
even as a Christian as Saudi Arabia.
Grace and mercy, forgiveness of sins.
Wow. My life was transformed
immediately.
It was the love of God and the love of
the Muslims around me that drew me to
Islam.
Now, you're there, you're living there.
I mean is this uh tell us a little bit
about this uh when people do go down
there when they get out of their
neighborhood and then they get out to
other parts of the world.
Yeah.
How fictitious this is.
I mean just completely. I've been living
in the Middle East for 17 years. When I
went over there uh people gave me these
warnings about you know watch yourself.
It's dangerous. The people like this
this might happen. That might happen.
Now I've lived there before 911. I was
in Medina when 9/11 happened and uh I've
lived there ever since. Okay. And I have
never had anything except from for you
know basically the best treatment. Well,
I shouldn't say never. There's always
you know a few isolated incidences of
you know the same as you'd have here on
the street in America where you know you
just you know don't hit it off with
somebody. But but I mean I've just I've
just had the best of a treatment. I
mean, I I remember after 9/11, after
9/11, I just remember all of these
Saudis coming up to me and apologizing
and just, you know, very sincerely
saying, "We're so sorry for what
happened to your country." And I mean,
it's not their fault. These are these
these are are beautiful, polite,
well-mannered people. You know, uh once
you're in their presence, you feel their
gentleness. You
They weren't dancing in the streets. So
I heard the common mantra is that when
this happened, people were dancing and
celebrating.
No, that's ridiculous. I mean I I never
saw that and I was
Have you heard this clich? Have you
heard this?
No, actually I haven't. But but you know
I mean I I did not see any of that and I
didn't I haven't talked with anybody who
did and I was living there. Okay. And
I'm in Medina, one of the holy cities.
If you if you expect to see that
anywhere, if that were the manner of the
people, you would expect to have seen
that there. But I I did not have people
do, you know, do anything but apologize
to me and say, you know, we're really
sad that this happened and and you know,
telling me as a Muslim telling me, you
know, that this is not part of our
religion. I said, yeah, I know that. And
they say, you know, you know, we're no,
you know, we're against this. I said,
yes, of course, of course, I know we're
against this. And and so on. But um you
know aside I mean aside from that just
in general I have to say the propaganda
that I have been aware of is always from
what I've seen is just always contrary
to the truth. I mean why have I been in
Saudi Arabia for 17 years? I mean these
these people have extended their arm of
hospitality towards me in their country
and they have given me a beautiful life
there.
Mhm.
I I feel safer in Saudi Arabia walking
walking down a a small alley which by
the way I do all the time going to
prayer you know in the morning sometimes
three in the morning sometimes 4 in the
morning. I feel I feel safer walking
down a small dark unlit alley right at
3:00 or 4 in the morning than I do
sometimes just in open daylight here in
America. you know the the the incidence
of crime is so low the and it's just
basic values you know that the Arabs
have this very high respect for honesty
for generosity
for hospitality
you know and they try to excel at these
things you know they
you know it's it's um it's one of the
teachings when you go into an Arab
household
in the Middle East, don't look at
anything because if you allow your eyes
to a light on something in the room and
the host notices, they'll just take that
thing and give it to you. I mean, it
might even be something very valuable. I
I remember one time uh you know, when I
was fairly new in Medina, uh I just I
saw this rug in this guy's house. Very
beautiful, well handmated,
hand knotted rug. I mean, I I would
estimate its value would be in the, you
know, maybe around5 $6,000, you know,
small knots and I I mean, just a
beautiful handmade uh, you know, carpet
and uh, the guy just saw me looking at
it and that was it. He had to give it to
me.
Now, this this doesn't go after him
being an Arab. This is because of the
teachings that the Almighty sent from
Islam, correct? This is where do they
get this now? this is
um I think it's a combination because
like even even before the religion of
Islam there you know there was this
extreme extremely generous Arab named uh
I think it was Hatam if I remember
correctly and so they even have this you
know this saying to be as generous as
Hatam because he he set this example for
uh generosity but you know I mean go
back to go back to Abraham and that time
where you know a guest would arrive an
unknown guest and you would just
slaughter the fatted calf. Uh there are
beautiful people and I think part of you
know part of that is uh just innate.
They're they're a beautiful generous
people.
What if someone says look oh you're
sellout now you know like for myself I'm
I'm he's an Arab now. No no you can't
obviously change your DNA your
nationality. Look I I'm an American. I
love my country but at the same time I'm
conscious of my purpose in life. I love
my creator. I I live this beautiful way
of life, but I also respect other
people's cultures. I'm open to learn.
But if someone, you know, uh says
something like this, oh, now you're you
sell out. You know,
you hear all sorts of ignorant things.
First of all, yeah, first of all, stop
listening to me, okay? I mean, go listen
to all the other non-Muslims, okay?
Non-Muslims who have come to the Middle
East and found themselves, you know,
welcomed and well treated by
well-mannered, generous, hospitable
people.
My life was transformed
immediately.
It was the love of God and the love of
the Muslims around me that drew me to
Islam.
Okay? And um you you know and be
convinced by them. Don't be convinced by
me. I've known so many of people like
this that they're just, you know, uh
they're non-Muslims, but they don't want
to leave the Middle East. Yeah.
And some of them leave the Middle East
in tears because, you know, their their
job has, you know, their contract has
ended, their job has run out or
something like that. I mean, some of
them leave the Middle East in tears
because they don't want to leave this
beautiful environment that they found.
Now, let me just back up for a minute.
Please understand, okay? I'm not trying
to completely
uh, you know, completely uh, how do you
say it? I mean, make things look, you
know, completely rosy. All right?
because uh there are good and bad people
everywhere. Okay? So I'm not I'm not
saying you know these people are bad,
these people are good, this place is
bad, that place is good. No, there are
good and bad people everywhere. But it's
on a spectrum.
Mhm.
Okay. And uh what I can say is what I
can say is that I I feel so happy and so
comfortable in in the presence of the
brothers and sisters who welcome me into
their homes and into their country in
Saudi Arabia.
I never want to leave.
Yeah.
I love these people. what my my
patients, you know, the the Arab
patients I have. I love these people.
Mhm.
You know, it is a privilege to me. It's
it's not just a job. It is a privilege
to me that Allah has put me in a
position where I can treat these people
and be an agent through which they
regain their eyesight. Okay? An agent
because all good things are from Allah.
But okay, I'm I'm an agent through which
this happens. And it's a privilege to me
that, you know, the powers that be in in
Saudi Arabia have accepted me as a guest
into their country and and honors me in
that position.
Yeah. Uh we got a few more minutes. I
want to touch upon uh a few other
things. I mean, that's that's the power
of the human connection, not just
closing yourself off from other
cultures, other ways of life, and going
beyond what you've been brainwashed to
believe. And this is a testimony of many
testimony of other people who've
experienced again that love that
compassion and and this is what we
should be working towards you know uh
growing as humanity. Tell us there's a
professor here in Chicago Dr. Papape who
said since we're on this topic he said
that this is an expert a terrorism
expert. He evaluated a thousand plus
terrorist acts and he said this is not
some just random individual an expert.
He says Islam has little to nothing to
do with these terrorist attacks. This is
all politically motivated. Have you
heard of Dr. Pap and this uh analysis
the study that he did?
Uh I haven't because I work in a
different field as I said my
and before and before 9/11 you didn't
have if you go back you didn't have
these groups such as al-Qaeda des ISIS
all of these things because we're trying
to find out the root where these things
come from. It's not like Islam is
inherently bad and it's calling you to
go ahead and strap bombs, but you have
extreme elements. These he's talking
about these are politically motivated.
Yeah. I mean, I haven't heard of him or
these uh you know, these conclusions,
but it doesn't surprise me because uh
you know, I think I'm just guessing, but
I'm guessing that what he is trying to
say is basically that Islam is not
associated with terrorism because we
know that the Islamic beliefs are not
consistent with these acts. Yes,
there may be Muslims. There may be
Muslims who have committed acts of
terrorism in the same way that there are
Muslims who may have committed crimes
and you know Christians and Jews and
atheists and everybody else. Okay, there
are good and bad people everywhere. All
right, but I mean we're talking about a
religion of what 1.2 1.3 billion people.
I mean a huge portion of the uh
population of this earth. So, you can't
expect, you know, all of them to be uh
peaceful, law-abiding citizens. You'll
find some criminals in that mix.
Yeah.
All right. But, so what he's really
saying is that you might have some
criminal Muslims,
but those people don't speak for the
religion. Stop demonizing the religion.
Stop marginalizing the religion for the
acts of the few. I mean if you if you
look at okay let's let's say that there
were 22 Muslim terrorists who carried
out 911 and that's a big that's a big
you know uh presumption but let's say
that there were what is 22 out of 1.3
billion why aren't you looking at the
1.3 billion and not looking at the 22 in
the same way that you look at Christian
America okay you look at uh well I
almost hate to say Christian America
America anymore because the number of
Christians is waning and those you know
those who are Christian are very often
you know sort of marginal Christians uh
but in any case you know you look at
Christian in America Christian America
and they don't accept for their religion
to be demonized when there's found to be
a Christian serial killer or a Christian
who goes postal and you know commits an
you know that happens daily or the KKK
attributing the whole religion to the
KKK Christian that sect. That's obvious
to to
distinguish the two.
I don't even know if the KKK is still
active.
They're active. They have two almost 200
live branches right now. You can go sign
up right now if you wanted. They have
websites. They're ready to hire and fire
and they're in fully functional.
What do you mean by fire?
Kick you out. If if you if you if you
dis if you disengage from those extreme
radical beliefs, you probably get kicked
out. you're going to get fired.
Okay, but you get what I'm saying. So,
in any case, I mean, look, you know, I'm
I'm just, you know, I'm just saying
that u you know, you shouldn't demonize
the religion for the acts of a few. And
I think this this man that you're
talking about is probably just is just
saying,
you know, differentiate between Muslims
and Islam.
Yeah.
Okay. You might find some bad Muslims,
you know, you might find some Muslims
that conduct conduct acts of terrorism.
But if that's not consistent with the
religion of Islam, if that if that is
not from the Islamic teachings, then
Islam's not responsible for that. These
guys are. These bad guys are, but the
religion is not. Yeah. Give us a tweet.
Give us something to end with. We got to
we're out of time. Give us something for
the person tuning in. They're watching
us and they don't know much about
Muslims Islam. They're hearing this
stuff for the first time. They're seeing
you, white, caucasian. What are your
eyes? green or blue. What's that? And
they're like, "Okay, you know, this is
interesting.
You got to get out there. You got to get
out there. You got to look, one thing I
wanted to say is a lot of the Muslims,
not a lot, almost all almost all of the
Muslims I've ever met, and I've been
I've traveled to Jordan, Kuwait,
Bahrain, um, of course Saudi Arabia, uh,
Palestine, Israel, uh, and, uh, Turkey,
and I mean a number of number of
countries in the Middle East." Okay? And
everybody I have ever met is frustrated,
frustrated, frustrated. And they're
always saying the same thing. They're
saying, "Why did you know, why did the
West see us like this, you know? I mean,
this is this is not who we we're, you
know, we're okay." And if people
actually went and lived with them,
they'd find out that that's true. They'd
find out these people are, you know,
they're calm, they're peaceful, they're
loving, they, like I said, they're
hospitable, they're generous, and this
has to come from somewhere. and and
yeah, part of it is their nature and
part of it is their their religion
fine-tuning their nature. Okay. Of
course, you know that that's just I mean
those are the moral constraints that
they live within also from the religion.
But it's a beautiful thing and you have
to experience it to understand. The
other thing I'd say is check out my
website leveltruth.com.
Leveltruuth.com.
leveltruth.com. It's got a lot of
material. If you if you are on a
spiritual search, as I was saying, read
a book, start with mine. I mean, start
start with the first and final
commandment or start with misguided. And
don't think I'm trying to sell anything.
Go to the website, download it free of
charge. It's all there on on PDF
downloads. You don't need to pay a
scent. Okay? I don't I don't care. Just
just read.
Thank you for the zam and the edgewood
dates and the miswalk. My pleasure.
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